Johnny Horton

[jbseth]

Hi All,

Today on Bing, in their "Today in History" file, they mention that on today's date, April 30, Johnny Horton was born.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=johnny+horton&filters=ufn%3a%22johnny+horton%22+sid%3a%22b194b66d-241d-fa9e-adc1-bf021d037062%22+catguid%3a%22mso%2fpeople.person_570a409747e0ec671dc95e8cd9cc36ac%22+segment%3a%22generic.carousel%22+secq%3a%22people+born+on+April+30%22+supwlcar%3a%220%22+segtype%3a%22QXJ0aXN0LFNvY2lhbEFjdGl2ZQ%3d%3d%22+ctype%3a%220%22+mltype%3a%220%22+eltypedim1%3a%22Actor%22&FORM=SNAPCR

Johnny Horton was a country music, honky tonk, and rockabilly singer during the 1950s. He was known for his saga songs such as "The Battle of New Orleans" and "North to Alaska".

According to the article below, Johnny had a premonition about his pending death.
As it turns out he died as the results of a drunken man, just like he thought he would.

https://www.countrythangdaily.com/death-johnny-horton/


As I understand it, Abraham Lincoln also had a premonition about his pending death, just before his assassination.


In NOME, Ch 1, S801, in talking about death, Seth says, "This does not mean that such individuals make a conscious decision to die, in your terms:  But such decisions are often semi-conscious (intently)."


Given the various stories that I've heard over the years, similar to those of Johnny Horton and Abraham Lincoln, I think that there is some truth to what Seth says here.

-jbseth

[Sena]

In NOME, Ch 1, S801, in talking about death, Seth says, "This does not mean that such individuals make a conscious decision to die, in your terms:  But such decisions are often semi-conscious (intently)."

jbseth, presumably this applies to most people dying of Covid 19. It also means that lockdowns are useless. A lcokdown may postpone death by a few months, but the death decision will eventually prevail.

[jbseth]

jbseth, presumably this applies to most people dying of Covid 19. It also means that lockdowns are useless. A lcokdown may postpone death by a few months, but the death decision will eventually prevail.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

In regards to your comments above, I'm not saying that you're wrong here but I view things a little differently than you.  I think that there are 2 separate but semi-related issues here: 1) the issue of people semi-consciously choosing to die and 2) the CV19 issues.


First of all, I absolutely do believe that we're all going to die. Every single person who's alive at this very moment, is going to die at some point in the future. For some people, these deaths may occur at a conscious or semi-conscious level. For others, they may be completely and totally unaware of their personal decision to die at a conscious level.


However, along with this, I also tend to think that what we each "believe" to be true, while we're here on earth, definitely affects us and this involves the CV19 issues as well.


I think that many people tend to believe in the medical establishment and what the doctors have to say about viruses and CV19. That is, they don't believe that their thoughts create their health or illness.

I think that many people believe that people catch a virus or CV19 by somehow being accidently or inadvertently exposed to it. Many of these people also believe that if they catch CV19, they could potentially die from it and if they do catch it, their ability to survive CV19, is largely up to what the doctors and nurses can do for them. It has very little to do with what they personally think or believe.

Many of these people also believe that the lockdown will slow the CV19 infection rate.

They also believe that if the doctors and researchers can come up with some sort of treatment plan, such as the malaria drug, then this treatment plan can increase their odds of surviving from CV19, if they happen to catch it.

Furthermore, if a CV19 vaccine can be created, and if they can get this vaccine, then they will then have a complete immunity to CV19.


Seth tells us that it is the "belief" that matters.



Now, along with this, I believe that some people will choose to die from CV19 at this time and we're hearing about this in the news right now.  I also believe that some people, will choose to die from CV19, in the future.

On the other hand, I also believe that there are some people who will choose not to die from CV19 either now or in the future. That is, some people will die now from other causes now and some people will live now, and die in the future from other causes.

Because of this, I don't believe that there's anyone here alive today who can quantify, with any degree of certainty whether this lockdown, or any other CV19 related issue will turn out to be useless or not.

The only thing that I think any of us can say here with any certainty, is that we're all going to die at some point in time, from some cause or another.


-jbseth

[Sena]

The only thing that I think any of us can say here with any certainty, is that we're all going to die at some point in time, from some cause or another.

jbseth, I respect your views, but it seems to me that you are not fully accepting Seth's teaching on death. It is your privilege to reject or water down this teaching, just as I reject Seth's teaching on the Second Coming of Christ.

[jbseth]

Hi Sena,

I understand and recognize that we have different views on some of Seth's teachings. For example, over the years, it seems to me that we've had different views on Seth's teaching on the Second Coming and, as I recall, we also have different views on whether Framework 2 is physical.

And while I don't necessarily see things the same way as you do, I really enjoy hearing about your thoughts on these things, because it gives me a different way to look at and think about things.


I'd like to have a "discussion" with you (not an argument, just a discussion) on this topic of Seth's teaching about death, if you'd be willing to.

Part of the reason that I'd like to do this is because I'm not really sure what your take is on this, and where you and I differ. I'm really interested in trying to figure out where and how your and my views differ here.


Are you willing to have just "a discussion" about this?  If not, then that's OK. I understand.

However, if so, in your statement about you said, "it seems to me that you are not fully accepting Seth's teaching on death".

Could you explain what you mean by this?


-jbseth

[Sena]

I'd like to have a "discussion" with you (not an argument, just a discussion) on this topic of Seth's teaching about death, if you'd be willing to.

Part of the reason that I'd like to do this is because I'm not really sure what your take is on this, and where you and I differ. I'm really interested in trying to figure out where and how your and my views differ here.


Are you willing to have just "a discussion" about this?  If not, then that's OK. I understand.

However, if so, in your statement about you said, "it seems to me that you are not fully accepting Seth's teaching on death".

Could you explain what you mean by this?

jbseth, I would be very happy to have such a discussion

We can take this statement of yours as a starting point:
"The only thing that I think any of us can say here with any certainty, is that we're all going to die at some point in time, from some cause or another."
That is something which every sane person would agree with. But your implication is that some of Seth's statements on death are uncertain and/or speculative.

[jbseth]

Hi Sena,

Thanks for your reply.

As I read back through these posts, I think I've got us off track here.

In my initial post on Johnny Horton, I commented that in NOME, Ch 1, S801, in talking about death, Seth says, "This does not mean that such individuals make a conscious decision to die, in your terms:  But such decisions are often semi-conscious (intently)."



Then, in response to this, in reply #1 you posted the following 3 sentences:

jbseth, presumably this applies to most people dying of Covid 19. It also means that lockdowns are useless. A lcokdown may postpone death by a few months, but the death decision will eventually prevail.


In respond to your 3 sentences, I think I should have asked you to explain more specifically what you meant by your comments in sentences 2 and 3.  I think that I may have misunderstood what you meant here.


-jbseth

[Deb]

Sorry to butt in, but I'm confused as to where the misunderstanding is.

In our reality in this framework, all living things will die. If not, for one thing we'd overpopulate ourselves out of existence. Per Seth we choose our deaths before we even enter our bodies, but that can be flexible as we have free will and can change our mind. I think the majority of our death decisions are subconscious. Some are conscious (in the case of suicide), and then there's the semi-conscious Seth mentions here:

"This does not mean that such individuals make a conscious decision to die, in your terms:  But such decisions are often semi-conscious (intently)."

So as with the examples of Horton and Lincoln, they had premonitions they were going to die, but on a conscious level they probably just brushed it off, or Horton used it as inspiration for a song. There are people who give up on life, can't go on, and die. To me that would be semi-conscious. It's called psychogenic death.

But the main thing is that Seth said no one dies who doesn't intend to die. If their death is prevented in some way, such as extraordinary medical intervention, they will find another way to die unless they've changed their mind and decide to stick around a little longer. Such as Jane and Rob's rescue cat. So if no one dies who doesn't intend to die, that would also include covid deaths.

Did any of that make sense? Am I off base?

I can give you a first hand of a semi-conscious intention or premonition, or both. My father died in 1976. I was 20, living in my first apartment and came home for Thanksgiving dinner with my parents. It went well, and after dinner I was headed back to my apartment, a 45 minute drive. My father, who was not a very affectionate or involved person, walked me to my car—a first. Then he gave me a long hug (another first), and was acting like he'd never see me again. He just didn't want to say goodbye. It was strange enough behavior that I really noticed it. The next night, he died. He was 66, healthy, slender, in good shape (used to be a weightlifter and gymnast in his younger days) but had a massive heart attack. No warning signs. I immediately felt that he had a premonition of his death. I also felt that he had died because he could no longer stand the life he was living (my mother was brutal), and he lived long enough to see me safely out of the house. To add to this story, I was secretly living with my boyfriend at the time. He was dreaming about my father saying something to him when the phone rang and woke us up. It was my mother calling to say my father had died.

[Sena]

But the main thing is that Seth said no one dies who doesn't intend to die. If their death is prevented in some way, such as extraordinary medical intervention, they will find another way to die unless they've changed their mind and decide to stick around a little longer. Such as Jane and Rob's rescue cat. So if no one dies who doesn't intend to die, that would also include covid deaths.

Did any of that make sense? Am I off base?

Deb, you are quite correct, that is Seth's teaching. I can see that many,many people find it difficult to accept because we have been conditioned by society to think the opposite. The medical establishment, the insurance companies, and the pharmaceutical industry want us to believe the opposite. If even 60% of people adopted Seth's teaching on death, most insurance companies would go bust.

Thanks for sharing with us the story of your father's death.

[Sena]

Then, in response to this, in reply #1 you posted the following 3 sentences:

jbseth, presumably this applies to most people dying of Covid 19. It also means that lockdowns are useless. A lcokdown may postpone death by a few months, but the death decision will eventually prevail.


In respond to your 3 sentences, I think I should have asked you to explain more specifically what you meant by your comments in sentences 2 and 3.  I think that I may have misunderstood what you meant here.

jbseth, thanks for your post. As I explained in my reply to Larry on the "coronavirus" thread, my statement about the lockdown was imprecise. As for Seth's teaching on death, it seems to me that Deb has clarified it.

[jbseth]

Hi Deb, Hi Sena, Hi All,

Deb, regarding your post, I pretty much agree with what you have said here.

In regards to Johnny Horton and Abraham Lincoln, it appears to me that they both had some sort of premonition that they were going to die. I believe that for Abraham Lincoln, he had a dream that he was going to be assassinated either one or two nights before he was killed.

The article I posted about Johnny Horton says that he stayed in his room that night not daring to risk going to the bar, because he felt pretty sure that he was going to die at the hands of someone who was drunk. He did ultimately die at the hands of someone who was drunk, but it was at the hands of a drunk driver.

Because of this, I think that both of these 2 people were consciously aware that their time here on earth, may very well be very short.


I've heard stories very similar to the one you told about your father. Yes, I think that it's very possible that he consciously knew he didn't have long to live and that is exactly why he behaved the way he did.

I've also heard other similar stories, where mothers or fathers try to give their belongings away to their adult children, in some cases just days before they died.


-jbseth

[Deb]

To add to this story, I was secretly living with my boyfriend at the time. He was dreaming about my father saying something to him when the phone rang and woke us up. It was my mother calling to say my father had died.

To update about this, I texted my ex yesterday asking about the dream. This is what he wrote back:

"I saw your father and he was appealing to me, not with words. I came away understanding he wanted me to take care of you. I knew when your mother called what had happened." In retrospect, on some level, it wasn't a complete surprise for me either.

The above is coming from a guy who has never considered telepathy, metaphysics, and rejected religion early on.

I was really touched by his text. While I really didn't know my father that well (who he was inside), I have a better idea now. He came to me in a dream almost a year later and helped solved a dilemma I was struggling with. With a concept I never would have considered, as I was an atheist at the time and thought that death was the end of everything.

[Sena]

While I really didn't know my father that well (who he was inside), I have a better idea now. He came to me in a dream almost a year later and helped solved a dilemma I was struggling with. With a concept I never would have considered, as I was an atheist at the time and thought that death was the end of everything.

Deb, it would seem that your father may have pointed you towards the Seth teachings.

[jbseth]

To update about this, I texted my ex yesterday asking about the dream. This is what he wrote back:"I saw your father and he was appealing to me, not with words. I came away understanding he wanted me to take care of you. I knew when your mother called what had happened." In retrospect, on some level, it wasn't a complete surprise for me either.The above is coming from a guy who has never considered telepathy, metaphysics, and rejected religion early on.I was really touched by his text. While I really didn't know my father that well (who he was inside), I have a better idea now. He came to me in a dream almost a year later and helped solved a dilemma I was struggling with. With a concept I never would have considered, as I was an atheist at the time and thought that death was the end of everything.

Hi Deb,

Thanks for sharing that. 

I've come to believe that when people have these types of personal experiences, it occurs because something, some part of us, is purposely trying to get our attention and to wake us up to the true nature of reality.

It seems to me that you and your ex-boyfriend both had extremely powerful experiences of a nature that may have really shaken up your belief systems at the time.

I'm glad that you found Seth. I'm glad that you started this forum. And I'm glad that you shared this message with us. This type of message helps to remind us that yes, these type of personal experiences are, in fact, true for people.

Thanks again,

-jbseth

[Deb]

Deb, it would seem that your father may have pointed you towards the Seth teachings.

I'll have to ponder that. While my father had less of an impact in my life than my mother, who could not be ignored, I do in retrospect realize he had more of a mind-opening part of my childhood than I'd realized at the time. I've gained a new appreciation for him.

have really shaken up your belief systems at the time.

It didn't feel that impactful at the time, other than helping me to make a life-changing decision that I've never regretted. My ex had only one more death-related premonition, decades ago. We were together for 14 years, 9 of them being married. We still keep in touch, more so lately due to his mother's death and drama in his remaining family.