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Started by Sena, March 14, 2021, 03:08:19 AM
Quote from: leidlI like the Seth quote, and agree that magic as entertainment can make light of the larger implications of precognition, etc. Do you think technology similarly makes light of the implications of science? Or was Radin saying something different?
Quote from: Senaleidl, I think what Radin meant was that magic is an essential component of religion, just as technology is an essential component of science
Quote from: SenaGovernments give money for scientific research because they hope that science will produce economically profitable technologies. In the same way, people will be interested in religion if it helps them in "magical" ways like the prevention and healing of illness
Quote from: leidlI'm going to try to get my very religious Phil of Religion students to reflect on whether this might be a part of why they are religious. Always good to plant the seeds of self-awareness.
Quote from: jbsethIt seems to me that what Dean Radin had to say about magic is different than what Seth had to say about it.
Quote from: Sena"Magic is to religion as technology is to science.That is, one difference between religion and magic is that the former is essentially a faith-based theory about the nature of reality, while the latter involves testable applications of thattheory. Theories provide meaningful structures proposed to account for an otherwise chaotic andbewildering existence, while applications provide the means of controlling some of the chaos.The religion-magic relationship is actually more complex than the science-technologyconnection because there are two major categories of magic: supernatural and natural. Initially,everything was considered to be supernatural because our earliest ancestors had no idea about howanything worked. So they naturally attributed everything to invisible, supernatural causes, meaningabove or beyond the natural world—the divine, or one or more gods.Then someone noticed that there were aspects of nature that were predictable—themovements of the sun and stars, healing qualities of certain muds and plants—and that realizationsparked interest in visible, here-and-now, human-centric natural magic. Supernatural magic waseventually adopted by religion, and natural magic split into two branches, the exoteric (outer,physical world) and the esoteric (inner, mental world). The exoteric branch evolved into today'sscience. The esoteric branch is where magic has been hiding."
Quote from: jbsethI'm only up to about page 20 so far (it's an easy and interesting read) and the book is only about 220 pages long.I don't think that his statement above, which can be found at the very beginning of Chapter 4, reflects very well on what he has said so far in this book. Maybe after I read Chapter 4, I'll have a better understanding of why he said this and what he's actually referring to here.
Quote from: RadinTo fundamentalists, the Harry Potter books were always wicked, but in their eyes the presence of evil was highlighted after J. K. Rowling revealed that the character Albus Dumbledore, the revered headmaster of the Hogwarts magic school, was homosexual.
Quote from: DebI started reading Harry Potter to my son when he was 3 and I moved to this neighborhood. One of my neighbors came over one day with a manila envelope 1" thick with things she'd printed off the internet—the evils of Harry Potter and what I was doing to my son. The was the beginning of the end of our friendship. We read all the books and saw all the movies and I can't say how much I enjoyed that. Best books ever.
Quote from: Sena"To fundamentalists, the Harry Potter books were always wicked, but in their eyes thepresence of evil was highlighted after J. K. Rowling revealed that the character Albus Dumbledore,the revered headmaster of the Hogwarts magic school, was homosexual. That revelationprompted religious conservative Tom Barrett to write,In her Harry Potter books [J. K. Rowling] uses material from various pagan religions(including the Druids), witchcraft, Satanism, and dozens of spells and incantations. It should beobvious to anyone who views the books objectively that they are designed to make the evil religionof witchcraft acceptable to young, impressionable children....My daughter will never read one, orsee any of the movies, because I love her."
Quote from: DebI'm still waiting for my letter of acceptance from Hogwarts, lol.
Quote from: SenaDeb, I am unfortunately too old to enjoy the Harry Potter books, but it's great that children enjoy them.
Quote from: jbsethIf you wanted to (and I'm not telling you what to do here, it's your choice) you could watch the video's and then when you talked to your granddaughter you could talk to her about these stories. You could also point some things out to her, like how Harry learned that it's not good to pre-judge people.
Quote from: jbsethGo Gryffindor
Quote from: jbsethOh, Wow. That trip to England sounded like fun. Speaking of that, I need to know if they really do they have a platform at nine and three quarters at Kings Cross? I need to know just in case I ever do get my Hogwarts acceptance letter.
Quote from: Deb"Miracles are nature unimpeded" has always been one of my favorite Seth quotes, maybe even my favorite, because it's so simple and says so much.
Quote from: SenaIn the same way, people will be interested in religion if it helps them in "magical" ways like the prevention and healing of illness.
Quote from: jbsethIn this chapter he talks about how during a 600 year time period, between maybe 800 BCE and 200 BCE, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism all appeared in the world.
Quote from: leidljbseth, is does Radin see magic as being a part of all these traditions, and point out their specifically magical elements? I may have to read that book. I think of Confucianism, for example, as primarily an ethical system.
Quote from: jbsethHe keeps rolling along like this, talking about people and their ideas all the way up into the 21 century. This includes the Fox sisters, Spiritualism, Madam Blatvatsky, Aleister Crowley, Rudolf Steiner, Gurdjieff, Jung, Edgar Cayce, Ruth Montgomery, Seth, and a "Course in Miracles".Along with this, he also talks about the many of the people who wrote about the power of positive thinking and then he talks about people like Esther Hicks, Louise Hay, Wayne Dyer, Jack Canfield, and on and on.There are many more people and topics in this chapter that I haven't mentioned.
Quote from: leidlSo...I've changed my perspective to one that is kinder to Christians. We're all attracted to "magic," because a big part of what we're in this reality to explore is how to create our reality.
Quote from: jbsethWow. What an amazing set of synchronous events.
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