Retrocausality Anyone?

[T.M.]

Hi All,

I've been watching a gal on YouTube. Her thing is retrocausality. She says theres major turning points in humanity. The big events actually cause past and future events in line with it.
For example an event happening in 2020, will cause events to happen in 1980 that will lead to the event in 2020 to happen.

I find it kind of interesting.  Especially since Seth mentioned that any Now point creates it's own past and future.

[Deb]

Wow that sounds really profound, but it also makes sense when I think about simultaneous time being kind of fluid. Care to share one of the YT videos?

[usmaak]

That's mind blowing.  I'll admit that I struggle with the whole "linear time doesn't exist" thing.  For instance, I have a very difficult time imagining the past being created by the moment point.

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

YouTube made it impossible to link to her channel or vids   

She goes by Vanessa VA      On YouTube. Her vids run about 45min to an hour. Mostly about  the Mandela effect and CV19, how they intertwine, with messages coming through popular songs. Her latest vid, I haven't watched yet, is titled, " Dimensional Signal. Do you hear me.? I'm talking to you"
P.S. I fast forward through trucker guy mostly. Vanessa starts around 7:14


Hi Usmaak,

I'm thinking for example if I smoke excessively and die of lung cancer, do I smoke because I enjoy smoking, or have I scheduled a death due to lung cancer. The death retroactively causing what I thought at the time were the conditions that led to my smoking?
Lol Seth does say our deaths have already happened.

[Sena]

She goes by Vanessa VA      On YouTube.

T.M., thanks for this.



It is about the "Mandela effect":

https://tinyurl.com/9wc4fuw4

"In 2010, this shared false memory phenomenon was dubbed "the Mandela effect" by self-described "paranormal consultant" Fiona Broome, in reference to her false memory of the death of South African anti-Apartheid leader Nelson Mandela in prison in the 1980s (he actually died in 2013, after having served as President of South Africa from 1994 to 1999), which she claimed was shared by "perhaps thousands" of other people."

I just briefly watched the video. The idea seems to click with the Sethian teaching of "probable realities".

Vannessa VA spells her name in an unusual way. She is the co-author of a book on the Mandela Effect, which I have now downloaded. Quotes from the book:

"The idea of parallel realities does not need an introduction. It is all over the place, from science fiction to religious texts; from art and poetry to philosophy. What is perhaps less known is that the hypothesis of parallel realities is also a serious scientific proposition." (from "Mandela Effect: Friend or Foe?" by Eileen Colts, Paulo M. Pinto, Shane C. Robinson, Vannessa VA)

https://amzn.eu/43PPiKI

"Mandela Mind Over Mandela Matter If you prefer simple solutions over the most complicated ones on offer too, and have researched any quantum theories, it seems far more likely that this is how matter has always worked. Look into superposition of states, retrocausality, and entanglement for a scientific mind-bender. This could be how matter is created and edited. It flows like energetic waves of particulate plasma which is influenced by the stronger waves of human consciousness."

"Particulate plasma" could be Seth's EE units.

I'm thinking for example if I smoke excessively and die of lung cancer, do I smoke because I enjoy smoking, or have I scheduled a death due to lung cancer. The death retroactively causing what I thought at the time were the conditions that led to my smoking?
Lol Seth does say our deaths have already happened.

Yes, I think that is what is being said. To put it in another way, if you do NOT smoke you have chosen a probable reality in which you have a long and healthy life. What Seth says is that although we have chosen the the time and mode of our death, we are almost invariably unconscious of those facts. In the biography of John Edward Mack, it is said that a few weeks before his death a friend of his read the "runes". Mack drew a blank rune, and his friend said that could indicate imminent death. A few weeks later he was run over by a car in London.

[usmaak]

She goes by Vanessa VA      On YouTube.

T.M., thanks for this.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2xSJPblXGMrTLiO6pbFjKWqVToY66htS

It is about the "Mandela effect":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_memory#:~:text=From%20Wikipedia%2C%20the%20free%20encyclopedia,the%20way%20it%20actually%20happened.

I've always found the Mandella effect fascinating.

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Sena and Usmaak,

I wish I knew how you are linking to her channel and vids!  I'm using a kindle fire hd. It will not allow me to link some/vids or even the channel. I'm wondering if Amazon is the culprit. I'm pretty sure the fire hd is running on Amazon servers. My other tablet is a Samsung. It won't display the url addresses. I've wondered if a regular computer and or laptop can get around that. Not that I want to get a computer or laptop though. My tablets generally do just fine.

I didn't know Vanessa co -authored a book! I might have to give it a look! After I get through the mass of books I already have, lol.
I just watch some of her vids. She does get a bit heavy into a religious mindset for me, at times. I do find her explanations worth listening too, though.

I guess retrocausality would make sense, especially if one believes in the double slit experiment. I just think the idea itself is fascinating. I'm kind of wondering too. Perhaps fate, does exist. Unless and until a person intentionally does something to fundamentally change themselves in some way. Then creating your own reality comes into play.

I'm kind of wondering how many time lines are going on right now. I can see the collective of humanity going in a few directions from the events of the last few years.

Has anyone watched The Man in the High Castle on Amazon?

[Deb]

Thanks for the lead on Vannessa VA! I checked out her channel and she has a variety of interesting-looking videos with a variety of topics. I want to find the one that prompted you to start this topic. Here's her videos list. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCru2gxJ9sNpge9l-VV5ZFRw/videos

I also saw she has a Rupert Spira playlist. But I couldn't get the link to work, so here's a different one. https://www.youtube.com/user/rupertspira/videos

I've always been curious about the Mandela effect. Once in a while I'll come across lists of them and was surprised at how many things I remembered incorrectly. There may be a psychological reason for the effect, such as the lazy brain filling in blanks or making assumptions rather than paying attention to details. Or the mind doesn't store the details but rather an impression, which is why we end up paraphrasing rather than quoting verbatim. The fact that so many people remember things incorrectly in the same way (such as remembering the Berenstein Bears rather than Berenstain bears) means many of us think alike, or there's some telepathy going on. But when it came to those people talking about the Bible being changed in real time, I just don't know what to make of that.

Here's 40 examples of the Mandela effect.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/entertainment/g28438966/mandela-effect-examples/

I've heard a lot about The Man in the High Castle, but haven't taken a look at it yet. Are you watching it? Last night I started watching Glitch again. T.M. I think you were the one who mentioned it a while ago and I started watching, liked it, and then got side tracked. I've only seen two episodes but it's caught my attention. People returning from the dead is an interesting story line, but the idea that they come from different times in history really has me curious.

[Sena]

I didn't know Vanessa co -authored a book! I might have to give it a look! After I get through the mass of books I already have, lol.
I just watch some of her vids. She does get a bit heavy into a religious mindset for me, at times.

Hi T.M,, it may well be that Amazon is the culprit if you are using Kindle Fire. I use a Windows laptop and copy the URL direct from the browser.
Vannessa's book is interesting in its interpretation of the Mandela Effect. The conventional view, as expounded by Wikipedia, is that the Mandela Effect is explained by the "false memory syndrome". The book takes the view that those who see things differently and adopt a minority view inhabit a parallel reality.
The book also talks about "Ascension" (not necessarily as a religious belief), which is highly debatable.

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I just binged watched The Man in the High Castle  the last few days. It has 4 seasons.  A lot of times when I binge watch, I figure out who the characters are, which ones interest me, and fast forward through what I figure is just boring conversations. The ones designed to fill up the hour. Couldn't do it with this series though, lol.

It's based on a novel by Phillip K Dick. He wrote back in, I think 60s, 70s?  He's the first sci-fi writer I'm aware of the suggested we are living in a simulation,  parallel realities and such. I get the impression he wasn't aware of the Seth writings either. I could be wrong about that. I'm finding many of his works being turned to film and on Amazon.

I suggested the series Undone on Amazon. The character in Undone flips between what I think is being represented as frameworks 1 & 2, and tries to make sense of what's happening to her.  I'm not aware of a series called Glitch. I will keep an eye out for it though, Thanks!

I've been watching Vanessa off and on for a few years. I mostly watch her vids on the Singularity., or 2 singularities happening. Some Mandala effects vids. Mostly if a title of a vid catches my attention. I'm not in total agreement with her, as in Christ is going to save us all, etc. So those vids I tend to go through selectively. It's hard to tell from the title which vids are going to be good ones. So I have a hard time recommending any particular vid from her. Other than the ones with Singularity in the title.
She suggests the 2 singularities, one is technological,  one is spiritual.  At some point groups will split into  2 timelines, one highly technologically evolved, the other highly spiritually evolved.

I remember Mandala dying the 1st time. Back in the 80ish?!  I was bored senseless,  it was too rainy to go outside.  We got a whopping 3 channels on the TV. And all of them were taken over with the funeral of Nelson Mandela.  And no I didn't know who the guy was either. Just that I couldn't get him off the TV screen

I remember Billy Graham dying a few weeks later.  Still stuck in the house, weather too bad to go outside,  and no escape from the Billy Graham funeral on all 3 channels! 

Hi Sena

I agree, I'm not buying into ascecion either.  In the alternative community it's also suggested theres a "new earth" that the chosen will be magically transported too in the blink of an eye. I'm not buying that one either!
I've never seen anything in nature make a radical change quickly.
The new earth stuff I think got started with Dolores Cannon. I think if anything it lends more credibility to us living in a simulation than anything else.

[T.M.]

P.S.

At the time of the funerals for Mandala and Graham.  I remember having numerous nightmares about the earth being destroyed.  By various cataclysms, nukes. Got to the point I hated going to sleep.

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

This might be a good one of her vids.
2 singularities Ocurring Simultaneously Follow Up Video. Published  Oct 3, 2020.

It's not really any particular vid she has that I posted this thread. I'm just curious what others think of the general topic 

[Deb]

OK, found that video with no problem, searched and it came right. One second into it there was a the Hopi Prophecy and it's very much the intro to Richard Bach's Reluctant Messiah book, except his is more fleshed out. I wonder if that's where he got the idea?

BTW I'd not heard the term retrocausality until now, so I Googled it and came up with a lot of interesting results. Another Sethian concept that physicists seem to find worth pursuing. Based on Vannessa's definition of retrocausality, I suppose the Terminator would be a good example—but in that case trying to change the past for the wrong reasons in the future. "The Terminator, a cyborg assassin sent back in time from 2029 to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton), whose son will one day save mankind from extinction by a hostile artificial intelligence in a post-apocalyptic future." Which is where the singularity concept comes in. "The Singularity is the hypothetical future creation of superintelligent machines. ... According to Singularity theory, superintelligence will be developed by self-directed computers and will increase exponentially rather than incrementally."

She has some interesting ideas, I bet she'd really enjoy the Seth materials. She sure ties a lot of things together in the video—somehow she combined physics, Christianity and, maybe inadvertently, Seth concepts in the same explanation. Thanks for sharing this, I've learned a few new things today.

Edit: Yes to Undone, I think I started watching that too and need to get back to it. Too many choices. I guess that's a good problem to have.

[Sena]

I agree, I'm not buying into ascecion either.  In the alternative community it's also suggested theres a "new earth" that the chosen will be magically transported too in the blink of an eye. I'm not buying that one either!
I've never seen anything in nature make a radical change quickly.

T.M., the interesting thing about the book is that they say ascension could be a gradual process. My personal example would be that if a significant number of people took the Seth teachings seriously, that could be the next stage in human evolution.

"As the process of Ascension has already started and humanity finds itself well into the crucible of the 3D – 4D overlap, that uncertainty about the human condition will no longer apply. Ascended, fourth-density humanity will be able to see through the veil of materiality. We will be able to transcend the physical illusion and have a direct experience of our undying spiritual nature. We will understand our role in the multiverse, our weaknesses, our objectives, and the lessons we still need to learn. Everything will be crystal clear." (from "Mandela Effect: Friend or Foe?" by Eileen Colts, Paulo M. Pinto, Shane C. Robinson, Vannessa VA)

https://amzn.eu/j5sOg95

[Sena]

This may be a shot in the dark, but I wonder whether the recent upsets on the forum could be a manifestation of the Mandela Effect:

"As if this phenomenon was not strange enough already, there is something you the reader should be aware of, if you indeed recognize any of the changes you read about in this book. You will undoubtedly feel compelled to talk to others about the changes you personally observe. You should know that the responses and reactions you receive from others can be nearly as bizarre as the phenomenon itself. I have experienced others who seem to agree with changes at first, only to switch to remembering the new way as having always been that way. Others will seem to understand what you are explaining, only to react like it is not a big deal, or have their attention pulled away to something else (changing the subject, fiddling with their phone, et cetera). Others may actually get hostile or rude. My sister kept having more important things to do, and not returning my calls to discuss it further. My brother straight out told me, "No one cares, people are just trying to pay their bills and survive."  These are the people in my life who I thought I could count on if something of this magnitude were to happen, but they were not there for me, and really have not even seemed like the same people I once knew. Although I have moved on, and they would probably say the same thing about me at this point; I am okay with that. I still love them dearly. I know they never listened to most of the things I said before, so it should not have been a surprise. Just know you cannot force anyone to see this. The Mandela Effect is something that has to be experienced on a real fundamental level to get beyond the cognitive dissonance that I now realize is just a normal response to something that seems so illogical." (from "Mandela Effect: Friend or Foe?" by Eileen Colts, Paulo M. Pinto, Shane C. Robinson, Vannessa VA)

https://amzn.eu/cfaXHu8

@T.M. Talking of synchronicity, may I ask how you came across the Vannessa VA videos at this particular time?

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Sena,

I think it more than likely that at least 95% of new age concepts are CIA type psy-ops. As the grip of churchianity  fails, new age is the replacement.  What I'm against is the idea that somehow,  suddenly,  in the blink of an eye, every believer will find themselves in something akin to a heavenly - to them - realm.

I think it's very possible that a personal can alter themselves and the dimension (s) they are in. I'm also as equally sure that the control structure on earth doesn't want the average person knowing anything about that, or how to practically achieve that.

Theres a few people, shamans, authors , that get the message through. Seth being the most notable one that I can think of.

The practical end for the control system is a predictable, containable, group of people. People stuck exclusively on 3D reality, and manifesting that 3D reality.

I used to think we live in an organic world. I no longer do. I think we are living in a simulation,  that is running in conjunction with other simulations running Simultaneously.

I think we choose to experience this simulation. That's why were here. That's why it's so rigidly the way it it.
So ascension as it's being promoted,  isnt what the bulk of beings came here to experience. 
So I guess the control system isnt really good or evil, as much as it's just concerned with keeping the trains running on time, so to speak.

I think the various simulations are training grounds. "I think these are realms we play in to get knowledge and experience,  before moving onto less restrictive realms. Where perhaps we actually could do some damage if we were to be thrown in without the lessons we learn in these more restrictive realms".- I know Seth said as much, the part i put in quotations.  I just cant recall which book, offhand.

I found Vannesa a few years back as a recommendation from another one of my channels.
Matt from Quantum of Conscience  Yt channel.  Matt pretty much uses his channel to attempt to showcase how we are living in a simulation.  He also goes out of his way to show how phony the control systems around us are, how they operate, the phoniness of their narratives, etc.

I found a pretty good vid of his. Where he has one of the best Phillip K Dick interviews that's available,  interspersed with the Mandela effect, various aspects of the sim. Vid is 1:11:21, long. I used to start my mornings with Matt's daily vid playing in the background, kind of like having a favorite radio station on. Not so much anymore. Matt is somewhat aware of Seth. I razz him in comments sometimes and tell him, hey y know, theres a way to create you own reality 

Quantum of Conscience
Vid- Phillip K Dick Alt Reality Detailed Analysis ( Vintage Space Girl Mentioned)
Mar 25, 2021

[T.M.]

P.S.

Link to Matt's vid. For some reason the share link has the vid starting almost at the end. Just move it to the start   

[Sena]

The practical end for the control system is a predictable, containable, group of people. People stuck exclusively on 3D reality, and manifesting that 3D reality.

I used to think we live in an organic world. I no longer do. I think we are living in a simulation,  that is running in conjunction with other simulations running Simultaneously.

T.M., thanks for your post. The idea of living in a simulation is dealt with in one of the chapters of the book. "Control systems" are described by the ufologist Jacques Vallee.

I find it difficult to square these two ideas (simulation and control systems) with the Seth teachings. If I create my own reality, am I one of the programmers of the simulation?

https://www.slideshare.net/andrew_ryan/jacques-vallee-discusses-the-ufo-control-system

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Sena,

I'm still working on that answer myself. I suspect only the person asking can answer the question to their satisfaction. 

I used to think we live in a free will system,  at least here in the U,S.A.
I no longer believe that. Though the control system wants you to believe you do live in a free will system, or have a significant amount of choice. You dont, neither does anyone else.  I dont think the ability to choose between Pepsi or coke is really a choice at all.

I used to think "you create or your own reality "   I'm not so sure now.
I used to believe we are not victims of fate. Scratch that!

Is it possible?  Heck yeah!  It's also possible to build an airplane in the backyard. Being able to do that requires knowledge,  experience,  and likely permits- lol 747's likely violate whatever planning and zoning had in mind for the area! 

Yes, it is possible. It doesn't come easy, to most. It takes desire, a knowing of oneself, of where one is, what one is. It takes for most, a good amount of inner work. Most of us were raised in dysfunctional family's, for example. No matter how good ones family is/was. This sim is a reflection of the mass dysfunctionality that's going on in the collective psyche of mankind. It takes inner work just to get through that, then figure out who you really are and what you want.

So yes and no to you create your own reality, yes and no to fate.

Just my thoughts at this time. 

[T.M.]

P.S.

I think the control system is firmly in control of programming this sim.
However one maybe able to program in what one experiences.

I know seems contradictory to my last post.

[Sena]

Yes, it is possible. It doesn't come easy, to most. It takes desire, a knowing of oneself, of where one is, what one is. It takes for most, a good amount of inner work. Most of us were raised in dysfunctional family's, for example. No matter how good ones family is/was. This sim is a reflection of the mass dysfunctionality that's going on in the collective psyche of mankind. It takes inner work just to get through that, then figure out who you really are and what you want.

So yes and no to you create your own reality, yes and no to fate.

Just my thoughts at this time.

T.M., very interesting thoughts. Food for thought!! Let's see where we can go from here.

P.S., This quote from the book, consistent with Seth teachings, may help you towards a more optimistic frame of mind:

"Once you realize the power of your thoughts and feelings you start monitoring them more. So instead of just thinking, believing, feeling and acting randomly in response to all of the emotions around you, M.E. affected people start paying closer attention to how things make them feel, and then they learn to manage that better so they are responding with intent instead of reacting without intent. M.E. affected usually start switching off mainstream anything while searching out information and truth on their own, or with like-minded people, forming new friendships, even whole communities in the process. Sometimes they completely turn off all news and other mainstream media, preferring to think for themselves. Many newly Mandela Effect aware start looking into, researching, watching and listening to things that have a positive effect on their feelings instead of negative programming, which has a nurturing effect on their individual and collective consciousness. As more of us become emotionally well, so does the world. It makes you feel better, think more positively, and feel more positively when you do this, and you can start doing this right now with simple intention. Where your focus goes energy flows and grows. Just as you would not intentionally feed your body poison, you stop feeding your mind poison once you see its source. This is "aware consciousness" – aware of itself and aware of its natural ability to affect self, others and matter." (from "Mandela Effect: Friend or Foe?" by Eileen Colts, Paulo M. Pinto, Shane C. Robinson, Vannessa VA)

https://amzn.eu/4p4FC4o

[Deb]

So yes and no to you create your own reality, yes and no to fate.

I feel the same way. As offshoots of the entity, we predetermine what we want to accomplish this time in physical reality. Seth said we do have free will, but then added that we have free will until it conflicts with the entity's priorities. So we are limited in creation, and our predetermined goals certainly feel like fate to me. The amount of limitation may be relatively slight, it's there to keep us on track, but still our freedom to create is a limited freedom. On one hand I see it as a safety net, who knows what some people would create if we didn't have it. I don't mean everyone being rich and living in mansions. I mean there are some people that have have malevolent intentions. While they too may have their place in this reality, I feel little to no spiritual progress would be made in either extreme. A Mad Max scenario.

This quote from the book, consistent with Seth teachings, may help you towards a more optimistic frame of mind:

Great quote, the book is sounding really interesting. I guess there's more to the Mandela Effect than I realized. I just thought it was lazy brain or confabulation or suggestibility. I've added the book to my Amazon wish list. Just one more book mentioned here that my library does not have.

On an entertainment level, there's a sci-fi movie on the Mandela Effect. It covers some of the ideas discussed here such as multiple realities, changing the past, living in a simulation and recoding it. The trailer looked kind of interesting, but Rotten Tomatoes only gave 20%. That's pretty bad. Four stars on Amazon Prime though.



BTW Man in the High Castle sounds great, that's on my to-watch list now.

PS I was just thinking about the old Sims computer game. I used to have it, it was a lot of fun and creative and safe for kids to play as well. Even the Sims have their own free will of sorts, and if you try to make a character do something they don't want, they'd get close up to the screen and protest, shaking a fist and shouting gibberish. But I also realize their "free will" was written into the program. With all of our talk about living in a simulation, the folks that created that game sure were ahead of their time. A little scary to think we could be the real Sims.

[Sena]

Great quote, the book is sounding really interesting. I guess there's more to the Mandela Effect than I realized.

Deb, the book is good but not perfect. It seems to me that the Mandela Effect is a somewhat distorted version of Seth's probable realities. I pay a monthly subscription to Amazon UK for Kindle Unlimited, so I am able to "borrow" the book for no extra charge.

[Deb]

It seems to me that the Mandela Effect is a somewhat distorted version of Seth's probable realities.

OK thanks for the heads up on the book. I enjoyed the quote you shared, but will stick with Seth.

[T.M.]

Hi All,

Hi Sena,

I dont think permanent optimism is natural or healthy. I wonder if that's part of the problem on earth. The constant drive to be happy. I don't think embracing one polarity over the other is the answer. It's not healthy or normal to be always depressed either.

Seth said we are here to learn to handle energy.  I'm thinking that means all energies.  Good/bad. Happy/sad.
The constant " gotta be positive" meme keeps people from looking deeper within themselves, and finding out how they really feel about situations in their lives and getting a handle on that energy. If it's not dealt with, it just keeps creating chaos. No matter how many happy bandaids a person throws on.

Jane's sinful self as she calls it, was likely what put her in the hospital,  that she didn't come out of.

I think it's what I call leftover bad christianity programming. Always embrace the light, always be happy, die perfect and go to some place where you get a gold star for figuring out how to be always happy and perfect. And then evolve no further!  That religion did a number on the human psyche.

So yeah, embrace your inner Darth Vader. Learn to know that side of yourself. Or it will also create it's own reality too. Especially if its completely shut out and the only way it can get your attention is through some destructive to self or others event. I'm not advocating any person reading this to act on the impulses coming
from that dark part of themselves either. Just get to know it, is all. 

I don't think or see how viewing oneself as mandala affected or not really changes anything fundamentally.  Sounds to me like marketing buzzwords the author is using to help sell the book.

Hi Deb,

I agree about the entity- our 3d perspective.   

I've seen Mandala Effect, it's a pretty good movie!

[usmaak]

I dont think permanent optimism is natural or healthy. I wonder if that's part of the problem on earth. The constant drive to be happy. I don't think embracing one polarity over the other is the answer. It's not healthy or normal to be always depressed either.

It took me a while to realize this.  The push in US society (can't speak for other cultures/locales) is to always be happy.  Much of the "you create your own reality" garbage populating the book shelves, virtual and otherwise, is predicated on always being happy.  If you're unhappy, you'll create unhappy circumstances.  Imagine yourself happy, even if you're not.  Fake it till you make it.  The best I can tell from so many of the books that I've read is that if you want to be happy, write a book and sell millions of copies.  Make millions of dollars and you'll be happy.

To me, it's just not that simple.  If I'm not happy, then I'm not happy.  I think that the reason why I failed with books like The Secret is because it is telling me to basically lie to myself and pretend it's not a lie.

One of the main ideas in mindfulness is to just be.  Whether it's happy or sad, just be.  I have found that if I don't push against a perceived negative feeling, it tends not to last as long or be as strong.  If I do push, then it can turn into a depressive episode.  Learning how to accept what is is not at all easy but it is worth at least working with.  At least for me.

I know that he's not for everyone, but I have gotten a lot out of reading Eckhart Tolle's books.

[Sena]

@T.M.  This is an interesting thread you started. I hope you still visit the forum.

[Tob]

@T.M.  This is an interesting thread you started. I hope you still visit the forum.

This is where Bashar reached his limits and where Seth is so far more radical. According to Bashar, reality is constantly recreated, billions of times per second. In choosing your specific reality, you create a specific timeline, consisting e.g. of frames 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and so on. Should you change your belief systems and your vibratory level, you could 'find yourself' on another timeline. You would have 'shifted', e.g. after reaching frame 15 to frame 16, 21, 26, etc. (instead of continuing with frames 20, 25, 30, etc.). You would be physically another person in another reality. According to Bashar you have automatically a new history as soon as you recreate your reality after collapsing it to a zero point, at which you make new connections to the rest of creation, billions of times per second. Making new connections to the rest of creation is the physical basis for creating a new history. You make new connections to the 'past' frames that are relevant for the new 'You' that you are - moment for moment for moment. So far, Bashar was not able to explain why there is a need to have a new history once you became another you. As far as I understand, once you entered the timeline 16, 21, 26, etc. your 'past' frames are 6 and 11 (instead of 5 and 10). But I do not understand why there is a NEED for that.

According to him, you must have a new history which makes logically sense to have had in order to become the new person you are now. Thus, I understand, that it is not sufficient to say, I started with timeline one (frames 5, 10, and 15), then I shifted (sideways) and continued by creating frames 16, 21, 26 (instead of 20, 25, 30, etc.). To me it would be sufficient, in the same way as you can say 'I lived a few years in Texas, then in Europe, then on an island in the Indian ocean'. As far as I understand him, when you decide to live on the island, you no longer (automatically) lived in Texas and Europe, but possibly somewhere else. This is the current limit of Bashar's teachings and as long as no precise questions are asked I am afraid he will not clarify the topic. But this is the logic according to which we all allegedly live in a reality where JFK has not been killed in 1963, but lived until 1984. In line with this logic we all changed the timeline collectively after 1963 so that we all think he has been killed in 1963. And we all are convinced that this is our true and only history.

Seth is even more radical. According to Seth, you change the memories of your cells by changing your vibrations by changing your belief systems, etc (NoPR). Thus, by changing 'the history' of the cells you are able to enter a different future which comes with that modified history. The 'psychophysical' mechanism - and the logic - would be similar, but Seth remains less vague and is pinpointing the drive towards a different past (and a different future) more clearly by locating it within the cells.

Hope this is not too confusing.

[Tob]

@T.M.  This is an interesting thread you started. I hope you still visit the forum.

This is where Bashar reached his limits and where Seth is so far more radical. According to Bashar, reality is constantly recreated, billions of times per second. In choosing your specific reality, you create a specific timeline, consisting e.g. of frames 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and so on. Should you change your belief systems and your vibratory level, you could 'find yourself' on another timeline. You would have 'shifted', e.g. after reaching frame 15 to frame 16, 21, 26, etc. (instead of continuing with frames 20, 25, 30, etc.). You would be physically another person in another reality. According to Bashar you have automatically a new history as soon as you recreate your reality after collapsing it to a zero point, at which you make new connections to the rest of creation, billions of times per second. Making new connections to the rest of creation is the physical basis for creating a new history. You make new connections to the 'past' frames that are relevant for the new 'You' that you are - moment for moment for moment. So far, Bashar was not able to explain why there is a need to have a new history once you became another you. As far as I understand, once you entered the timeline 16, 21, 26, etc. your 'past' frames are 6 and 11 (instead of 5 and 10). But I do not understand why there is a NEED for that.

According to him, you must have a new history which makes logically sense to have had in order to become the new person you are now. Thus, I understand, that it is not sufficient to say, I started with timeline one (frames 5, 10, and 15), then I shifted (sideways) and continued by creating frames 16, 21, 26 (instead of 20, 25, 30, etc.). To me it would be sufficient, in the same way as you can say 'I lived a few years in Texas, then in Europe, then on an island in the Indian ocean'. As far as I understand him, when you decide to live on the island, you no longer (automatically) lived in Texas and Europe, but possibly somewhere else. This is the current limit of Bashar's teachings and as long as no precise questions are asked I am afraid he will not clarify the topic. But this is the logic according to which we all allegedly live in a reality where JFK has not been killed in 1963, but lived until 1984. In line with this logic we all changed the timeline collectively after 1963 so that we all think he has been killed in 1963. And we all are convinced that this is our true and only history.

Seth is even more radical. According to Seth, you change the memories of your cells by changing your vibrations by changing your belief systems, etc (NoPR). Thus, by changing 'the history' of the cells you are able to enter a different future which comes with that modified history. The 'psychophysical' mechanism - and the logic - would be similar, but Seth remains less vague and is pinpointing the drive towards a different past (and a different future) more clearly by locating it within the cells.

Hope this is not too confusing.

Session 248:

"Those principles which I gave you as applying to the individual must obviously apply to nations and to peoples. Therefore if the individual can change his own past, then it must follow that a people can change its past, that a nation can change past events, that the future can influence the past historically, and even you see that a death can alter a birth."

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By the way, the 'cosmological and psycho-physical' mechanism described above, according to which everything collapses at the rate of Planck time and is then renewed, thereby constantly making new connections to the entire rest of creation, i.e. all past and future frames - at the rate of Planck time - is the basis for statements according to which the past is created from the present - and not the other way around.

[Tob]

@T.M.  This is an interesting thread you started. I hope you still visit the forum.

This is where Bashar reached his limits and where Seth is so far more radical. According to Bashar, reality is constantly recreated, billions of times per second. In choosing your specific reality, you create a specific timeline, consisting e.g. of frames 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 and so on. Should you change your belief systems and your vibratory level, you could 'find yourself' on another timeline. You would have 'shifted', e.g. after reaching frame 15 to frame 16, 21, 26, etc. (instead of continuing with frames 20, 25, 30, etc.). You would be physically another person in another reality. According to Bashar you have automatically a new history as soon as you recreate your reality after collapsing it to a zero point, at which you make new connections to the rest of creation, billions of times per second. Making new connections to the rest of creation is the physical basis for creating a new history. You make new connections to the 'past' frames that are relevant for the new 'You' that you are - moment for moment for moment. So far, Bashar was not able to explain why there is a need to have a new history once you became another you. As far as I understand, once you entered the timeline 16, 21, 26, etc. your 'past' frames are 6 and 11 (instead of 5 and 10). But I do not understand why there is a NEED for that.

According to him, you must have a new history which makes logically sense to have had in order to become the new person you are now. Thus, I understand, that it is not sufficient to say, I started with timeline one (frames 5, 10, and 15), then I shifted (sideways) and continued by creating frames 16, 21, 26 (instead of 20, 25, 30, etc.). To me it would be sufficient, in the same way as you can say 'I lived a few years in Texas, then in Europe, then on an island in the Indian ocean'. As far as I understand him, when you decide to live on the island, you no longer (automatically) lived in Texas and Europe, but possibly somewhere else. This is the current limit of Bashar's teachings and as long as no precise questions are asked I am afraid he will not clarify the topic. But this is the logic according to which we all allegedly live in a reality where JFK has not been killed in 1963, but lived until 1984. In line with this logic we all changed the timeline collectively after 1963 so that we all think he has been killed in 1963. And we all are convinced that this is our true and only history.

Seth is even more radical. According to Seth, you change the memories of your cells by changing your vibrations by changing your belief systems, etc (NoPR). Thus, by changing 'the history' of the cells you are able to enter a different future which comes with that modified history. The 'psychophysical' mechanism - and the logic - would be similar, but Seth remains less vague and is pinpointing the drive towards a different past (and a different future) more clearly by locating it within the cells.

Hope this is not too confusing.

Session 248:

"Those principles which I gave you as applying to the individual must obviously apply to nations and to peoples. Therefore if the individual can change his own past, then it must follow that a people can change its past, that a nation can change past events, that the future can influence the past historically, and even you see that a death can alter a birth."

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By the way, the 'cosmological and psycho-physical' mechanism described above, according to which everything collapses at the rate of Planck time and is then renewed, thereby constantly making new connections to the entire rest of creation, i.e. all past and future frames - at the rate of Planck time - is the basis for statements according to which the past is created from the present - and not the other way around.

The Kennedy issue is hard to swallow. But to some it seems to be a real possibility. They then talk about 'glitches in the matrix' or 'Mandela effects', if there is a recognizable issue with differing individual memories. I did not think much of it until I 'learned' that in the James Bond film 'Moonraker' the little girl did not wear braces. I am sure she was wearing braces. Wearing braces made her the perfect counterpart to the giant with the kilogram of metal in his mouth, but it looks, that no video and no film does exist anymore, where Dolly (her name) can be seen as wearing braces. You will not find anything on the internet. However, there is still a single photo of a cinema poster where the actress was announced as wearing braces. So - if you are as well of the opinion that she was wearing braces - hurry up to get a copy of the cinema poster on the internet, before the links to the 'Moonraker-braces' - reality are entirely eradicated in our timeline.