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Quote from: BethAnneI have a feeling that you have some mistaken impressions about me,I don't think so. Just looking forward to getting to know you and so I ask questions. Quite tricky isn't it when all you have are a few sentences?
Quote from: BethAnneI started reading Seth about 75' when the first book literally fell to my feet at the library.
Quote from: BethAnneMy reasons for being on the Seth Forum is to develop community and understand how other people use these concepts in their lives. How is it a practical application for others? What meaning does it have in their lives?
Quote from: DandelionI've been both wishy washy and flip-floppy. The wishy washy part is mostly the result of indecisiveness. I could always see plenty of things I didn't want, but couldn't seem to decide/know what it was that I did want. This created a strange flip-flop path to my life which has created 4 separate segments so far. It started out as semi-conventional (childhood), flipped over to semi-unconventional during my wandering years, flopped back to semi-conventional during my married years, and has currently flipped back over to semi-unconventional since my divorce. I have not been able to fully identify with or commit to either a conventional life or an unconventional one and am trying to find a balance somewhere between the two that allows for the expression of all parts of myself.
Quote from: BethAnneI'm loving this age because I can be what ever I want.
Quote from: BethAnneSo you were born in 1952? Year of the Dragon. I'm pisces so hard to pin down. Libra?
Quote from: barrieBarrie Responds: Why commit to either one? Forget definitions--I think you have already found the balance. Enjoy it. Don't judge it. Be in the moment and react to the moment and don't let expectations of yourself get in your way. Act as you wish and don't even think if it is conventional or not. That's my opinion.
Quote from: DandelionQuote from: barrieBarrie Responds: Why commit to either one? Forget definitions--I think you have already found the balance. Enjoy it. Don't judge it. Be in the moment and react to the moment and don't let expectations of yourself get in your way. Act as you wish and don't even think if it is conventional or not. That's my opinion.I think you've put your finger on the crux of it: It's not an either/or situation. It's not even about conventional or unconventional. It's more about getting the right balance between my inner and outer selves. Or of finding a way to fulfill the needs of the ego and the needs of the whole self. It's also an ongoing process of always finding the right balance in the moment.
Quote"Your psychic work has given both of your lives an impetus, direction, challenge, and opportunities for accomplishment that in certain terms at least would otherwise be lacking.Had your goals previous to your psychic experiences been adequate to your natures, and sufficient to you, nothing else would have developed—nor would you have been seeking so avidly answers to the kinds of questions that then and now concern you.You did not seek goals that could be reached easily by anyone, or even goals that you yourselves could be certain of attaining. You sought instead questions that would stretch your abilities, and develop them, that would bring out all nuances before unknown to you."
Quote"The creative artist can be in somewhat of a quandary, according to his beliefs, for he wants to preserve the precious moment, the fleeting thought, the daffodils, the perceived insights. At the same time he often feels the need to stand apart from life, from the fleeting thoughts, the daffodils, or the insight, so that he will not be lost completely in the moment, but able to form almost a second self with a larger viewpoint, who can then more clearly examine and understand the thought, the moment, or the insight."
Quote"You want to examine life, to experience it, and yet in some way find in time a safe dimension apart from time. What you want is a second life in life, in which to appreciate and examine life's experience. The ordinary distractions of life immediately then cause conflict. On the one hand, they are living, these distractions. They are life. On the other hand, they rob you in time of that second life you want, in which to examine your experiences.Now obviously, if you cut down distractions, or all experiences, there would be little left to enjoy or examine. You both tried to find a framework in which you could have two lives at once in that regard—and putting those two together is taking some doing.Since you set yourselves such a course, then you obviously have a certain responsibility to both lives. They are your creations, after all. Almost all of Ruburt's difficulty with time, and your own, spring from this basic quandary. For most people do not try that hard to preserve the living moment, or to understand it, while they are still involved with time's physical package."
Quote"...do not think of schedules, but instead of the flow of timeless energy into time."
Quote"You have a responsibility to time and timelessness."
Quote"Yard work is not timeless. It can be a joyful exercise of the body, the natural life being reinforced, and it can also provide feelings of timelessness, so that in that regard your love of timelessness can be combined with your love of the moment."
Quote"You must realize that I make considerable effort to understand your social mores, and your reactions to them even while I try to clear your minds of them. Much of this, then, is crystal clear to me, but do not put yourselves down because of their effects upon you. I do not have them to contend with.First of all, you understand my message in theoretical terms, but then of course all of that must dribble down into your lives until it becomes more and more practical."
Quote"I seem to be a slow learner; either that or my accumulated resentments seem to be so deeply ingrained that I should work harder at eradicating old beliefs."
Quote"In a capsule: Self-disapproval."
Quote"I want you both to remember that you are learning a new kind of orientation, and ideas directly opposed to those with which you were "innoculated" — so do not blame yourselves for inadequacies. Do not disapprove of yourselves. Do not compare yourselves to what you think you should do or be."
Quote from: DandelionThe second insight is about lifestyle. Although Seth was directing his comments to Jane and Rob's chosen lifestyle, it can also be applied to my situation and probably to some of the other "black sheep of the universe."In order to fully use their abilities, Jane and Rob had to create a new way of living. There were no conventional frameworks, nor even unconventional ones, available to them that would satisfy their drive for the value fulfillment of all their abilities. Not only did they not fit in with their current social environment and "normal" lifestyles, but their experiences and experiments were different from other psychics and any "accepted" avenues for exploring parapsychology. There was no niche anywhere for them, so they had to create a new one for themselves as they went along. In PS#4, Session 10/17/77, Seth explains the drive they had to explore these new areas.Quote"Your psychic work has given both of your lives an impetus, direction, challenge, and opportunities for accomplishment that in certain terms at least would otherwise be lacking.Had your goals previous to your psychic experiences been adequate to your natures, and sufficient to you, nothing else would have developed—nor would you have been seeking so avidly answers to the kinds of questions that then and now concern you.You did not seek goals that could be reached easily by anyone, or even goals that you yourselves could be certain of attaining. You sought instead questions that would stretch your abilities, and develop them, that would bring out all nuances before unknown to you."He also said that even though one might "romanticize" the lives of others who chose a "simpler, more overtly physical existence," it wouldn't have satisfied them. In a different session he told them that the doubts and other problems they were having were caused by conflicts between the new areas and ideas they were exploring and their old perspective and beliefs that were based on Darwinian and Freudian concepts. So they needed to create a new framework to support their new beliefs. Nowadays, we have a lot more options, a lot more information to work with, than they did. And the Seth material in particular has given me some basic tools that have really made a difference. But it doesn't have all the answers that are right for me. I can't simply "copy" a set of beliefs or a lifestyle. I still need to create my own life, something brand new that is uniquely suited to me. It may not be as radical a departure from the conventional as Jane and Rob's lives were, but the kinds of questions I keep asking require new answers, ones I have to find for myself. I'm never going to be completely satisfied with other people's answers.In a practical way, this explains why even after creating a "good" life (as defined by conventional values), I still had an underlying feeling of dissatisfaction, a sense that something was missing. It also explains not knowing what I really wanted, of not having concrete goals, not finding satisfying work, not being able to settle on anything. None of the many current options offered by the world were quite right for me, which led to things like job-hopping, moving to many different locations, and exploring different belief systems (religions, philosophies, psychological approaches, scientific theories, etc.) In some ways, it feels like I frittered my life away, looking for my niche in the world, but perhaps I had to experience all sorts of things that didn't work for me before I could understand that I needed to create something new or at least partially new—a belief structure and lifestyle based on my particular abilities and natural tendencies.
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