~Speaking of Seth~

Hi All,

Legitimate UFO's in the news again.

https://www.foxnews.com/science/pentagon-ufo-unit-spotlight-vehicles-earth


- jbseth

Hi All,

Hey, I was just re-reading that UFO article. Did I read this UFO article correctly? Does it really say what it seems to say?


"The New York Times reports that a small group of government officials and scientists believe that objects of "undetermined origin" have crashed to Earth and been retrieved, including former Sen. Harry Reid. While some have been found to be man-made materials, there are question marks over others."


Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of "undetermined origin" that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved? 

Wow that's quite a statement. I wonder what planet he comes from?  :)  :)  :) 

-jbseth 

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=16313#msg16313)
Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of "undetermined origin" that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved?

Ha ha ha.

I've had no personal experience with UFOs, but I can't discount them either. I just don't understand why, if they are real, the government would withhold that information. I've seen enough videos and even documentaries that keep my mind open.

I was a big X Files fan. I do believe the truth is out there. It's just getting to the truth that's difficult.

Well maybe something interesting is coming our way soon!

Quote from: PopMech articleIt's unclear why Ratcliffe has decided to speak out about UAP now, although the former Director of Intelligence's remarks may foreshadow a major report the Pentagon is set to release in the coming months. Indeed, 2021 promises to be one of the most significant years ever for the advancement of UFO disclosure—and that follows a year in which the U.S. Navy officially released three videos that show UFOs are genuine.

The UAPTF is the first official government program affiliated with UFO research since a 2000s-era unit that analyzed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and other UAP lost its funding in 2012, even though multiple sources confirmed with Popular Mechanics that the unit remained active in secrecy after its shuttering.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a35904670/pentagon-ufo-reports-objects-breaking-sound-barrier-without-sonic-boom/

Hi Deb, Hi All,

Thanks for the post and the heads up on possible future UFO information unvailing.

In the recent US Navy data that was released, they mentioned a UAP that went from near sea level to something like 35,000 feet in a very short time period. Must faster than the speed of sound.

Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?

Maybe they should take a look at what Seth had to say?  :)

-jbseth

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18410#msg18410)
Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?

jbseth, I agree that interpretation makes a lot of sense.

Hi All,

Once again, today there's more video and news about US Navy video of UFO's or UAP (Unidentifed Ariel Phenomenon) in the news.

The video of this triangular UFO is pretty amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsLK_Na7iw

-jbseth

Hi All,

And a slightly different one that shows some very clear images from a Navy fighter Jet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTaxiBE-TQ

-jbseth

This is all very surreal to me.  I've joked around about UFOs for years.  When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.  When I was in college, I thought I saw one.  I was getting back to the apartment that I was renting and I saw a bunch of lights in the sky.  There was no storms and it was completely quiet.  I don't really know what it could have been.  If it was a plane or a helicopter, there would have been noise.  And no, I wasn't drinking or taking anything.  I just dismissed it as something unknown that, I was sure, had a perfectly rational explanation.

Where I live, we have a lot of Altocumulus Standing Lenticular clouds.  I joke around that 90% of UFO sightings are lenticular clouds because they look like alien spacecraft.

I also think that I saw a ghost once, but that was likely just waking up from a vivid dream.

I've never believed in either, but it is curious that there are news stories from legitimate, non "National Enquirer" sources talking about UFOs.  Only I guess these wouldn't be little green men from the planet Xenon or something like that.

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18643#msg18643)
When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.

Hi usmaak, Hi All,

That's quite interesting. It sounds like, in one way at least, we have had a very similar experience when growing up. Seeing something on TV about UFO's

When I was a kid, probably around the time I was 10 years old (1964) I saw a movie on TV about UFO's. This movie wasn't one of those 1950's sci-fy thrillers. Instead it was much more like a documentary. I think it probably was probably the movie mentioned in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_(1956_film)

Given what they said in this movie, especially the part near the end where as I recall, in 1952, there were UFO's reported over Washington D. C., I always tended to think that there may actually be something to these UFO claims.

I've always tended to think about then in terms of both science (Carl Sagan, saying that there are millions and millions of stars) and science fiction shows like "Star Trek". As in perhaps the beings behind these UFO's sightings are guided by some sort of "Prime Directive". And maybe as in the Genesis Project in the movie Star Trek III, "The Search for Spock", we are actually the result of some sort of science project that they started here on earth millions of years ago and have been occasionally monitoring us for a very long time.

Science tells us that there are millions of "galaxies" not just millions of stars.

If you consider how far, we have come, from a technology standpoint, in the last 500 years, consider where we might be in a million years from now, if we were to keep up at this rate.

It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.

Along with this, now that we've developed space craft and nuclear weapons, maybe they've been more interested in seeing where we go with this and so they've started to monitor us more closely.

This all seems "plausible" to me.


-jbseth

In 1974, I was watching a documentary on UFOs that may or may not be the one mentioned above, but it did show film of the UFOs over Washington DC in 1952. The documentary included an interview with a witness, who was an officer in the Navy at the time. I was living in San Diego County, where many Navy personnel retired. I found his name in the phone book and called him and asked him if he had been in a UFO documentary, he said yes, so I told him that it was on TV right now. He thanked me, and we hung up.

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It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.

Maybe they communicate with us through things like Seth and religion.  Maybe things like Seth and religion are ways to keep us under control.  Maybe they're meant to comfort our fear of death.  So many possibilities.

Great videos. I love when the witnesses are military, they probably know more about our technology than most, and so something like those catching their attention means more to me.

My first hearing about UFOs was when my mother bought a book about Betty and Barney Hill being "abducted by aliens" in 1961. Looking at the Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill), they also made a movie about it in 1975. I never knew what to think about all of that, as I'd never seen any UFOs myself. That is, until about 2 years ago. I was driving east on I-70 one bright and clear morning and saw far off to the SE of where I was something just hanging in the sky. It didn't look like it was moving, just hanging there. It was pretty far away so I couldn't see details, basically just the shape of it. It was large, dark grey or black and looked like it was some sort of SteamPunk thing. I got to glance at it a couple of times and then lost sight of it. Could it have been a blimp? I Googled "blimp over Denver" and I came up with several links about the Dept of Transportation testing a blimp to monitor in 2015, but this didn't look anything like what they were doing and I don't think they followed through with them. I've seen blimps before, this didn't have the familiar shape and certainly wasn't blue with Goodyear in yellow letters. Oh well, who knows.

It seems there have been a lot of sightings over the years. I'm looking forward to June when more stuff is unclassified. I also figure if they truly are ETs, if they meant us harm we would have been wiped out a long time ago.  ;D

This. ;D

(https://i.postimg.cc/dV8bcm0t/Earth.jpg)

Love it! I agree about the C- too, maybe even a D.

Does anyone remember the old Twilight Zone where these people wake up in a strange town, everything is props, the train they get on to escape keeps looping? In the end it's a giant little girl's toy town, mom says, "Be careful with your pets, dear--your father brought them all the way from Earth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopover_in_a_Quiet_Town

Hi All,

I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

-jbseth

 

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18670#msg18670)
Hi All,

I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

-jbseth

 

Is the public even responding?  When I was on CNN the other day, the latest UFO story was well below the latest political goings on and anything COVID related.  It was basically relegated to the same area that most Enquirer type stories go.

And that's funny.  Because 20 - 30 years ago, this would have been plastered all the front page of every newspaper and other news source in the entire world.

The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.  QAnon and conspiracy theories about the Bill Gates trying to control us with microchips in vaccines is getting more airtime.

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18671#msg18671)
The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.

This is one of the mysterious aspects of the UFO phenomenon. The following is an extract from a book I am reading:

"FUNDAMENTAL CONUNDRUM Why doesn't a Superior Intelligence contact humans openly?
1. If there are advanced alien intelligent creatures in our Universe, why aren't they already on Earth?
2. Why don't we observe activities of alien civilizations in the cosmos: robotic space probes, accidents, astroengineering, star wars, spaceships, communications, signals, or radio wave leakage?
3. What is the UFO phenomenon? There are countless reports of UFO sightings, abductions, and encounters with alleged alien creatures. In the U.S. alone, more than six million people claim to have been taken up into UFOs. Still no conclusive and definite evidence is yet available that would prove the existence of UFOs as real extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Why don't superior intelligences from our Universe, other universes, from the supposed other dimensions, or from wherever they are contact us in an open manner or officially?
For the mega-civilizations, we are like a Monopoly game on the table, next to the sandwiches and the beer: we are totally visible, accessible, manipulable, and contactable." (from "The Fermi Paradox: 100 solutions and the survival of mankind" by Alexander Popoff)

https://amzn.eu/grprAhO

I keep seeing articles popping up about this topic.

This is the latest one that I saw.  Published just a few days ago.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

"According to John A. Keel, the UFOs and their crews are some sort of electromagnetic energy controlled by a superior nonhuman intelligence. Keel wrote in his book Operation Trojan Horse, "Somewhere in this tangled mass of electromagnetic frequencies there lies an omnipotent intelligence, however. This intelligence is able to manipulate energy. It can, quite literally, manipulate any kind of object into existence on our plane." (from "The Fermi Paradox: They are here and control us" by Alexander Popoff)

https://amzn.eu/9ylc6kw

Seth had some interesting things to say about electromagnetic reality:

"All of an individual's experiences, even those of which he is not aware on a conscious basis, therefore are part of the electromagnetic reality that forms this particular individual's electromagnetic identity. It exists within the physical matter of the organism during existence within the physical system. While the experiences which form this framework and compose this individual's identity are obtained through his interaction with the physical system, his electromagnetic identity is not dependent upon the physical field."
—TES4 Session 197 October 11, 1965

Hi All,

I've always found that what Seth had to say about UFO's in UR2, Appendix 20, to be quite interesting. It speaks to what, at least some of these UFO's might be. Distortions that occur due to travel between different planes or realities.

It also potentially explains some of the strange siting's that humans have seen, such as possibly the Jersey Devil and the Mothman phenomena.

Finally, it also explains some of the strange phenomena (such as the ability to go off at right angles) that apparently has been witnessed by the US Navy such as in the incredible changes in altitude, in very short periods of time.

If what Seth says here is true, then it may be a long time before either the US Navy or anyone else, figures out what this UFO phenomena really is.

In the spoiler below, I've given some of what Seth talks about in this Appendix.





- jbseth

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18724#msg18724)
This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kinds of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (With amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain — this, dear Joseph, is a pun — that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.

jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18725#msg18725)
jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

I don't think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO's and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

UR2, S743:

(Long pause.) The unknown reality, dash — Many of you, I know, would like to find in this book answers pertaining to Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, UFO's3, and many other such questions. Those matters certainly seem pertinent in the framework of your experience and beliefs. You already have a great variety of explanations offered: Writers in many fields have produced books about such topics. By far the greater questions, however, are those pertaining to the unknown reality of the psyche, and those that relate to the kind of being who perceives in one way or another an Atlantis, a Bermuda Triangle, a UFO — for in greater terms, until you ask deeper questions about yourselves, these other experiences will remain mysterious. You cannot understand perceived events unless you understand who perceives them. You must learn more about the slant of your own consciousness before you are in a position to ask truly pertinent questions about the reality that you perceive.

[...]

When I consider those (Atlantis, UFO's, and so forth) and other such matters, it will be from a much different perspective. By then you — my readers — will be familiar enough with the unknown reality to understand answers given in a different context. Period.



-jbseth

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18727#msg18727)
I don't think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO's and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

jbseth, I agree. What it means for us is that we have to continue to speculate about the meaning of these phenomena. It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.

Hi All,

Hi Sena,

I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.

I do think the various countries/governments of the world have developed some pretty impressive crafts that they aren't telling anyone else about, for obvious reasons.

Quote from: T.M. (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18733#msg18733)
I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.

T.M., I am interested in the spiritual aspects of the alien contact phenomenon. One person who studied this was the Harvard psychiatrist John Edward Mack. The following is a quote from one of his books:

"The alien abduction phenomenon is one among a number of manifestations—including near-death experiences, intricate crop formations, apparitions of many kinds, unexplained powers of healing (Dossey 1993b; Cooperstein 1996), and parapsychology ( Jahn and Dunne 1987; Radin 1997)—that are forcing us to appreciate that cosmic realities exist beyond the three-dimensional universe that has bounded our earthly existence. There seem to be as many names for these domains as there are methods of approaching them: the "implicate order," the "invisible world," "other dimensions," and "transpersonal" or "daimonic reality" are a few of them. Philosophers like Michael Zimmerman (Travis 1998) and Michael Grosso (2004) posit a "third zone" of reality that is neither purely internal nor external but lies beyond, including or subsuming the familiar dualism of inner and outer worlds. Whatever words we may use to describe this realm or realms, it appears ever more likely that we exist in a multidimensional cosmos or multiverse, within which space and time appear to be constructs of the mind that order or simplify the chaos of energy and vibration in which we are immersed." (from "Passport to the Cosmos" by John E. Mack)

https://amzn.eu/cQuFgL2

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18730#msg18730)
It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

I think that this may depend upon what you choose to believe.

It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved. Possibly from another star system.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill


-jbseth

Quote from: jbseth (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18735#msg18735)
It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved

jbseth, according to Seth, "form" can exist without "physical matter":

"Form adopts mass within the physical system, but form is not dependent upon it. Form can exist and does exist without mass and without physical matter. Form, like time, is an aid, an organization of experience. Form is used as time structures may be used, but multidimensional personalities know that they construct form as they may construct various time systems as an aid toward organizing perception." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts, Session 433)

https://amzn.eu/5a21csP

Tonight on 60 Minutes, there will be a segment on the issue of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) recorded by the US military.

Thanks, hopefully I'll be able to watch it. There was another UFO video in the news this week, it can be seen here https://www.tmz.com/2021/05/14/ufo-video-object-flying-near-us-navy-ship-san-diego-goes-into-ocean-uap/

A documentary I saw several years ago, UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied, is really well done but for some reason it's hard to find. Lots of credible people (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340844/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm) in it, astronauts, military, etc. It can be seen on Gaia via Amazon, first month is a free trial. https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Greatest-Story-Ever-Denied/dp/B01L7VEHMM

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I found a free copy of The Gretest movie never told on YouTube.  Just put the title in the search bar, came up a few entries down on my search.

Thanks, it's a good movie! I'm watching it now.

Son of a gun, I searched for it on YouTube yesterday and only came up with a non-existent movie with a link over to some streaming site that I didn't want to join. Now I found this. Thanks T.M.! I'll watch it again. I bought the DVD but I no longer have it. I remember them reporting on a major UFO event in Los Angeles (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-battle-of-los-angeles-69-years-later-still-no-explanation-116735859.html) in 1942, still a mystery.

The gov't should be coming out with some declassified stuff next month.

https://youtu.be/o_iNMZ18E0Q

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I bet the reason it's out on YouTube is that the powers that be want it, and similar out in the public domain right now. I have no doubt the public is being prepped for something. I also found the 60 minutes interview on YT  ;D

I did very much enjoy the movie though, Thank you for referencing it.

It kind of struck me though while watching. The Gov says essentially we lied to you and hid this from you. Now we are telling you the truth, so believe what we tell you now.  I find that hilarious!

I think its ancient resurrected tech from a previous civilization. More so than aliens from another world. Unless they are giving half truths as usual.  Perhaps at one time that tech did come from aliens, long ago. Now mankind  is firmly in control of it.. I suspect that's what Ww2 was about. A chance to play with their new tech toys out into the open, and get the operating kinks worked out.  Under cover of "the war"

The Obergruppenfuhrer of the nazi division of skunk works in WW2 managed to somehow become the head of Raytheon , or some such defense company after WW2. Werner Von Braun was the head of the V2 operation for the nazis in WW2. He became the smiling face of Nasa.

I know sounds crazy, I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction of sorts.
They are going to disclose the alien presence. Then they are going to say the Vaccine has a component in it that allows the gov to know if your a human or an alien. That's part of why a person will have to have the jab, if they want to participate in normal daily human activities.

Really hope I'm wrong on that one!

P.S.

The head of Raythen said some years ago that we have the tech to take E.T. home.

A quote from Michael Grosso on UFO's:

"Mysterious lights, a staple of ghostly and
visionary lore, recur in UFO sightings. UFOs sometimes assume the shape of structured disklike
craft, but behave unlike familiar physical things; they divide and unite, appear and disappear, make
right angle turns at incredible velocities, and behave in a manner more thought-like than physical.

The occupants of these strange "craft" indicate a profusion of types. Patrick Huyghe's The
Field Guide to Extraterrestrials raises questions about the ontological status of alien visitors.
Huyghe shows that behind the popular media-focused image of the small humanoid "gray" with
huge almond-shaped eyes lie reports of a bewildering variety of forms, ranging from tall blond
humans to lizardlike monsters and little aggressive blobs. Could so many different kinds of aliens
really be visiting us from distant planets and galaxies? The variability suggests the psychic, the
mind-dependent, and the mythical.

UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space. We hear of levitation,
telepathy, apports, teleportation, strange light and heat phenomena, and materialization effects.
UFO effects and survival effects both challenge the dominant worldview on what there is. UFOs
and aliens, like ghosts and apparitions, behave as if they were not subject to normal physical
constraints."

(Michael Grosso is a teacher, author, and painter, whose interests span psychical research, metaphysical art, the parapsychology of religion, and, primarily, philosophy. He received his PhD in philosophy, and studied classical Greek, at Columbia University, and has taught at City University of New York, Marymount Manhattan College, and City University of New Jersey.)

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18936#msg18936)
UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space.

This reminds me that there have been similarities between "contactee" reports and accounts of DMT experiences. To me, the most intriguing is the occasional presence of a tall "mantis". These beings appear to be wise and powerful. If other types of beings are present in contactee reports, the mantis appears to be in charge. It has even been speculated that DMT has been somehow introduced into the experience.

In addition, Whitley Strieber's wife theorized that the visitor experience has something to do with death. This was primarily based on the fact that many experiencers report that they have observed acquaintances who have died accompanying the aliens. This may be a phenomenon of the beings somehow utilizing the experiencer's memory to create a projected vision. Other phenomena are missing time or replacing the event with a false memory, one of a 6-foot owl, for instance.

Quote from: T.M. (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18934#msg18934)
The Obergruppenfuhrer of the nazi division of skunk works in WW2 managed to somehow become the head of Raytheon , or some such defense company after WW2. Werner Von Braun was the head of the V2 operation for the nazis in WW2. He became the smiling face of Nasa.

Wow, that was new to me. I was curious, so I did a little research. According to a NYT obit, Wernher von Braun worked with Martin Schilling in Peenemunde, Germany during WWII developing missiles. Schilling's son said he was never a member of the Nazi party, but that's been questioned because most of his supervisors in Germany were. Schilling worked his way up to VP for research and engineering at Raytheon. From the article: "At the end of the war, von Braun and 126 Peenemunde scientists, including Dr. Schilling, were resettled at Fort Bliss, near El Paso, where they continued to develop rocketry." Schilling died in April of 2000.

Quote from: Grosso (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18936#msg18936)
UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space.

This, and what Larry added about the mantis, and "Other phenomena are missing time or replacing the event with a false memory, one of a 6-foot owl, for instance," make me think even more that these "space travelers" are beings that have figured out how to cross over into different dimensions, maybe by taking advantage of the coordinate points Seth, where said said "realities merge". Being from another dimension or plane, they may not be limited by our physics. They may not even be physical, or at least be a different kind of physical. It's amazing we're able to see them.

"[Many of] the flying saucer appearances come from [such] a plane, [one] that is much more advanced in technological sciences than earth at this time. However, this is still not a mental-science plane. Therefore the camouflage paraphernalia appears, more or less visible, to your own astonishment. Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin ... The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. Now as the craft enters your plane a distortion occurs. Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form ... between transforming itself completely into earth's particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. The earthly viewer attempts to correlate what he sees with what he supposedly knows or imagines possible in the universe."
—UR2 Appendix 20: (For Session 713)

The thing is, the assumption by our scientists is they are visitors from other planets, because we can see and travel (in a way) to other planets.  I'd forgotten about the time lapses mentioned by some people who say they were abducted. I can see that happening to someone was taken aboard one of this vessels from a reality where there is no time or space. Now my mind has gone off on a tangent about how that would be possible to do that and not seriously harm the person, such as decompression sickness.

Quote from: LarryH (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18937#msg18937)
This reminds me that there have been similarities between "contactee" reports and accounts of DMT experiences. To me, the most intriguing is the occasional presence of a tall "mantis". These beings appear to be wise and powerful. If other types of beings are present in contactee reports, the mantis appears to be in charge. It has even been speculated that DMT has been somehow introduced into the experience.

Larry, the DMT connection is really fascinating. Here is Dennis McKenna's rather extreme view:

"It's pretty clear from the evidence that we've reviewed that DMT is firmly embedded in
terrestrial phylogeny. It doesn't have an extraterrestrial origin, so why is this phenomenology of
DMT so much like pure science fiction? What's with the machines, and the elves, and the
nonhuman entities, and the sense of cosmic spaces? Where's that coming from? Since I can't make
the case that DMT is an extraterrestrial messenger molecule—I really can't make that fly based on
the limited evidence that we have—so let's think about an alternative hypothesis here.

That is, that we are the aliens, and built into the architecture of the human nervous system is
a set of receptors sensitive to DMT and other tryptamines that appear to open the doors to an unseen
universe teeming with nonhuman life and intelligence. What I'm suggesting here is that DMT is a
messenger molecule. It's a signal transduction molecule that works in the biosphere, on the
ecological level in the biosphere, but it's not an extraterrestrial messenger; it's a decidedly
terrestrial messenger molecule. Emanating from the heart-mind of Gaia, it's trying to send us a
message as a species."
(from DMT Dialogues: Encounters with the Spirit Molecule
by David Luke (Editor))

Another quote from "DMT Dialogues: Encounters with the Spirit Molecule
by David Luke (Editor)":

"Perhaps the "aliens" are us from the future—highly evolved humans who have mastered time and
space and are returning in time in an ethereal nonmaterial form to influence our development.

Perhaps they're a super sophisticated alternate alien species scientifically observing us in the
laboratory we call Earth just as we observe our subspecies in laboratories and zoos.

We are forever trapped by our senses and the perceived confines of our temporal and spatial
environment. What if parallel universes do exist, and access between those universes and our own
has been mastered by beings unconstrained by material bodies?"

Quote from: McKenna (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18939#msg18939)
That is, that we are the aliens, and built into the architecture of the human nervous system is
a set of receptors sensitive to DMT and other tryptamines that appear to open the doors to an unseen
universe teeming with nonhuman life and intelligence. What I'm suggesting here is that DMT is a
messenger molecule.

I wonder how they know it's not of ET origin? We are supposedly partially ET:

"Now. Your human stock did not all originate solely from your planet. I never told you that it did. In that respect your ancestry is indeed varied."
—TPS2 Session 604 January 12, 1972

I think McKenna was on to something when he wrote that we are the aliens. I also used to wonder if the aliens are us from the future, giving us some nudges in the right direction, until I started adapting to the concept of simultaneous time. But on second thought, our "future" selves would just be ourselves in another plane, the way our other incarnations are. Boy non-linear time can get complicated. At least in my head.

Quote from: McKenna (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18940#msg18940)
We are forever trapped by our senses and the perceived confines of our temporal and spatial
environment. What if parallel universes do exist, and access between those universes and our own
has been mastered by beings unconstrained by material bodies?"

Whoa. That fits right in with what I said about the crossing into other dimensions by use of the coordinate points. I bet this guy would love the Seth materials.

I was just going to do a little searching to see if there's info about whether he's read Seth, and then I saw the link to his book. Thanks Sena, that's where I'll start.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18943#msg18943)
Whoa. That fits right in with what I said about the crossing into other dimensions by use of the coordinate points. I bet this guy would love the Seth materials.

Deb, I had not thought of coordination points as "gateways" to other dimensions, but Seth does seem to be saying that:

"Some of my readers may be familiar with "black" and "white holes" in space, that your scientists have recently discovered. (Some theoretical physicists have postulated recently that when the nuclear fires of very massive stars are finally extinguished, their enormous gravity causes them to collapse so completely that they literally squeeze themselves out of existence. A "black hole" is thus left in space, and surrounding matter can disappear into this. (It's been further suggested that this vanishing matter can show up elsewhere, either in our universe or others, through "white holes." There would be a flow of matter in our universe and also between universes, keeping things in balance.) These points have somewhat the same qualities. The electromagnetic aspects of thoughts and emotions, the animations, are drawn through points that can compare to miniature black holes. Here their energy momentarily disappears from your system, is immeasurably accelerated, however, and returned through what you might call a miniature white hole — concentrated now, and highly directed back into your system of reality." (from "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts)

https://amzn.eu/4qu0zaO

Here's the latest UFO article with video on Whitley Strieber's UnknownCountry.com: https://www.unknowncountry.com/headline-news/navy-video-of-a-transmedium-ufo-entering-the-ocean-has-been-released/ (https://www.unknowncountry.com/headline-news/navy-video-of-a-transmedium-ufo-entering-the-ocean-has-been-released/)

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=18947#msg18947)
Deb, I had not thought of coordination points as "gateways" to other dimensions, but Seth does seem to be saying that:

Here's more from SS:

"These points are not recognized as such, but they are points of what you could call double reality, containing great energy potential; coordinate points, indeed, where realities merge.
. . .

There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another."
—SS Chapter 5: Session 524, April 20, 1970

Larry, thanks for the link. I remember one of the observers saying it splashed when it entered the ocean, but I couldn't see that in the video. Seeing that and then thinking back on the "Battle of Los Angeles" makes me wonder if there's a major coordination point in that area. I've heard stories of UFOs hovering over and entering oceans before.

I just made a connection (if my memory is correct). I think Seth said that there was a coordinate point in Utah. That's where Skinwalker Ranch is, where all kinds of anomalous events have occurred (UFOs, cryptids, missing time, things popping in and out of vortexes, etc.). The area was known by the indigenous population, but it did not get much publicity until Bob Bigelow bought the ranch to study it, I believe long after what Seth said. He has since sold it to someone else. The History Channel has a series on the place.

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There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another

May be something like wormholes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormholes_in_fiction

"Briefly, in your own country, the West Coast, portions of the East Coast, Utah, the Great Lakes, the Chicago area, the Minneapolis area, and some other southwestern areas, are in those neighborhoods of excellent coordinate activity, for the reasons given. Materialization will quickly appear, and potentials therefore for both constructive and destructive elements are high."
—SS Chapter 5: Session 525, April 22, 1970

Obama offers serious take on puzzling nature of Navy UFO encounters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc)

Now that was funny, thanks for sharing. The fact that he said he could not talk about it, and then said he was also told no when he asked for more info, says a lot. And I think Mr. O did a little deflecting himself.  ;)

I've recently been added to Ron Card's short list for direct emails from a now-defunct Yahoo group. I don't spend much time on Facebook, so it's actually been good for me since I can save these emails and read them when I have time—usually at 3 am, lol. I thought I'd share this one from yesterday. Ron has mentioned many times that when he was 20-something he was contacted by and sort of adopted by an ET—in an educational sense. Ron had the questions, ET had the answers. For now I just thought I'd share this and see how it goes. As I've mentioned before, he also attends "Seth University" nightly during his dream state.

Not all of it runs compatible with Seth's teachings.

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For example, the Black (Negro) Race was colonized to earth by aliens over many 1,000s of years ago from a number of planets where the entire civilization was pure Black, yet other planets having civilizations of different shades of black to brown. The last colonized Black people were deposited, situated mainly in Africa. Not all our earth stock originated on earth, many of our races came from the stars spread out over millions of years as we understand time.

Granted that I have just started the early sessions books but I do not remember anything like this or about aliens being responsible for colonizing earth in any way.

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

Thanks for the Ron Card E.T. share! Interesting what he has to say.

I found a YouTube channel that I think has the best info on different E.T. groups, civilizations, and their locations in the galaxy.
Either that or they scoured the web and put all the various aspects together in a convenient format  ;D
I find much of what they have to say interesting to listen too. Not saying they are 100% the real thing. I think they've got much of it right though.

I'm linking a vid where they have a very interesting conversation on Time and Consciousness. Many of their ideas- subjects are reflective of the ideas in the Seth Materials.

https://youtu.be/4x9rPDjUyfI

Cosmic Agency.

Hi All,

Hi Usmaak,

Session 604 where Seth talks about E.T. involvement with earth in the past.

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=171.0

This link will work  :D

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Hi All,

Hi Usmaak,

Session 604 where Seth talks about E.T. involvement with earth in the past.

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=171.0

This link will work  :D

Thank you.  I've read all of the mainstream books but none of the personal sessions and I'm only 48% through the first early sessions book.

If I'm being honest, I don't like this alien stuff.  I cringe at the idea of aliens or of the earth being populated by alien races.  I prefer the more mainstream Seth stuff.  The other stuff is like alien overlord stuff. ;D

Hi All,

Hi Usmaak,

I hear you  :D

I spent years trying to prove to myself aliens weren't involved with humans. Oh well, I gave up on that.
I forgot its interspersed in Seth Speaks too. Funny enough I kinda forgot about that too while I was researching trying to prove aliens weren't involved,  lol.

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19057#msg19057)
Granted that I have just started the early sessions books but I do not remember anything like this or about aliens being responsible for colonizing earth in any way.

There's one quote that always comes to mind from Seth, hinting that not all of our DNA or such is terrestrial, but I don't believe he went into details. Certainly not colonization of people of color, I actually laughed when I read that.

"Now. Your human stock did not all originate solely from your planet. I never told you that it did. In that respect your ancestry is indeed varied. Some of the information given in my own book, by inference, should have made that clear."
—TPS2 Session 604 January 12, 1972

Seth does talk about the rise and fall of prior civilizations on earth in Seth Speaks, Chapter 15. I found it incredible but also interesting and haven't read it recently but I remember getting a sense that the civilizations were more than naturally occurring.

And then more from that Session 604:

"There were then visits from others in other planetary systems. In that regard this is quite natural. Your own relative isolation is far from the average. The legends, many of them therefore, were of course chronicles of quite legitimate physical events, describing phenomena for which natives had no adequate vocabulary. They were forced to describe what they saw by making comparisons with objects and events already familiar to them."         [I get it, we do it too]

"Some such visitors in your terms were more evolved than others. All however would appear as superhuman in contrast to those civilizations that encountered them. There were some deliberate experiments, that were in fact far more dangerous to the experimenters, always in which the experiments tried in one way or another to advance man's knowledge."

There's a lot more in this session, where Seth talks about Sumarians, space travel, etc. I can share more if anyone is interested. It's several pages long, but thanks to Mary I have the book in Word and can copy & paste.

Quote from: T.M. (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19061#msg19061)
I spent years trying to prove to myself aliens weren't involved with humans.

And I'm still leaning towards our current visitors not being from another planet as much as another reality. Not that either one is easier to accept than the other. Yet, I don't have a problem with the idea I may have some alien DNA in me, I don't think it's much different than ancestry from different parts of the world. We're all made of star dust anyway, lol.

Thanks for the YouTube T.M., I'll probably listen to it while I'm cataloging the stuff I got from Rich and Mary. Trying to figure out what I have, in those boxes piled so high. Lots of plastic.

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"Now. Your human stock did not all originate solely from your planet. I never told you that it did. In that respect your ancestry is indeed varied. Some of the information given in my own book, by inference, should have made that clear."
—TPS2 Session 604 January 12, 1972

Deb, thanks for that quote. Another instance where Seth would agree with David Wilcock's views as expressed in the book I mentioned on another thread.

"Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA" by Richard Hoagland can be downloaded here:

https://www.pdfdrive.com/dark-mission-the-secret-history-of-nasa-enlarged-and-revised-edition-e196259491.html

This is from a review of the book:

"The authors presented in-depth analysis of evidence indicating anomalous structures on both the moon and Mars. Within that analysis the writers provide considerable information to indicate that NASA is anything but a civilian space agency and that it's part of the dark, secret power structures that use public money to further their own secret agenda and withhold hugely important information from mankind."

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I should have said I was hoping to prove Ets didn't directly create humans.  And I cant  :D

I don't mind so much mind that humanity has some alien DNA either!  I've wondered myself if some of the UFO sightings are us seeing visitors from another probable to us reality too.

Hi Sena,

I think I have that book by Wilcox

Hi, please find attached session 604 (Seth on extraterrestrials and their ancient influence in Sumer). According to Bashar the historic empire of the Sassanides was founded by one of them (the name of Bashar's planet is Sassani, or Essassani). According to him, there was once a planet called Maldek at the outer edge of the solar system. It was destroyed by a meteorite. The annihilated civilization began anew on Mars. However the Mars civilization has been destroyed as well, actually by a near fly-by of a meteorite which was a relict of the destruction of the earlier planet Maldek (sucking off the atmosphere). This civilization then finally settled on Earth, so somehow there is a link to mankind. There is also a symbolic significance as well as the successive civilizations managed to get closer and closer to the light, i.e: our sun. One planet at a time. Looks like a lengthier process.

Below is a link to a youtube video depicting a crab-like structure on Mars. According to Bashar it is mechanical, a relict from the former civilization on Mars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8fshZEuWKo

Quote from: Tob (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19091#msg19091)
According to Bashar the historic empire of the Sassanides was founded by one of them (the name of Bashar's planet is Sassani, or Essassani). According to him, there was once a planet called Maldek at the outer edge of the solar system. It was destroyed by a meteorite

Tob, this is interesting. Maldek is also mentioned in the Law of One:

"Questioner: You said yesterday that Maldek was destroyed due to warfare. If Maldek hadn't destroyed itself due to warfare would it have become a planet that evolved with self-service and would the entities have increased in density, gone on to say the fourth, fifth density in the negative sense or the sense of self-service?

Ra: I am Ra. The planetary social memory complex, Maldek, had in common with your own sphere the situation of a mixture of energy direction. Thus it, though unknown, would most probably have been a mixed harvest — a few moving to fourth density, a few moving towards fourth density in service to self, the great majority repeating third density. This is approximate due to the fact that parallel possibility/probability vortices cease when action occurs and new probability/possibility vortices are begun."

https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=maldek

When we look around the world, we can see some powerful people doing nasty things. According to the Seth view of karma, these people can continue on their merry way without suffering consequences. It seems to me that the Law of One teachings are more realistic.
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Hi. thanks for the info. I can only refer to Bashar. One should follow the formula:

'Follow your passion, to the best of your abilities, without insisting on the outcome, and REMAIN in a positive state no matter what, because the situation in question must be there for a reason, otherwise you would not have created it'.

YOU are creating (and constantly re-creating) a universe moment for moment for moment, where there are obviously some people killing each other. I am doing the same, because there are people killing each other in my environment as well. We know it from the news. But we have the chance to move (by 'shifting') to a universe where people will finally stop killing each other and where animals are no longer predators. According to Bashar our animals are currently predators because we are. Here on this version of earth.

Currently earth is 'in the process of splitting'. Says Bashar. According to him various 'versions of earths' will move away from each other (not physically, but vibrationally) and the loud booms and strange sounds which could be heard all over the world in the past years are a 'physical representation of this 'splitting'.

Those who are on the future-oriented version of earth are the ones who follow the formula (according to Bashar). Others find themselves on other versions of earth and will have different experiences. COVID does play a role. There are versions of Earth which are covered by martial law since 2012. There are versions which did annihilate themselves, there are versions where the planet has been catapulted out of the orbit. There are also versions which are 'heaven on earth'. You decide. You create YOUR YOUniverse. Physically. Says Seth. YOUniverse, not universe.

We should stay away from fearful beliefs as they may have the potential to bring us back to those versions we do not prefer to live on.

In chapters 60 to 64 Seth is precisely describing how we are creating our own (individualized) physical universe and the respective interface to the other physical universes, which are constantly created and recreated by the persons we communicate with when we meet them in a room. Two persons, two tables in the room, three persons three tables in the room, etc.

Similar to an interactive video game. You are a 3D player IN the game. With a perspective which is uniquely yours. You canot see your forehead. Others can. They create their own physical universe with data and information for the creation of your forehead.

The parallel versions of earth can also coexist. According to Aristoteles and Roman historians the indigenous population living in the ancient territorry of what is now called Greece (prior to the arrival of the invading Greeks from the North) could not see the moon. To them it did not exist. In a similar way, the indigenous people in Latin America could not see the ships of the arriving Spaniards. They were literally living in a different parallel version of earth.

Reality is created with the vibration of our belief systems. According to Seth, a black garden hose could theoretically turn into a vicious black snake. Not more likely than the sudden vanishing of the moon, but also not impossible, as we are creating our own environment, i.e.: the physical YOUniverse with our own belief systems. This is basically what Seth's compendium on the 'Nature of Personal Reality' is all about.

This is why it is so important to get rid of negative or outdated concepts. The concepts we are working with and the underlying belief systems determine what kind of reality 'we get'. WE are the creator. WE/YOU are OUR/YOUR individualized 'I-aspect of 'All-That-Is". And will ever be.

Hmmmm, didn't someone we all know and love suggest that some UFOs could be visitors from other dimensions? Well, now he's not alone:

Quote from: former Pentagon chief
The most extraordinary UFOs being those that have been subjected to multiple intelligence collection systems. UFOs where the collected data has then been subjected to extensive analysis in an attempt to rule out aircraft, meteorological phenomena, or other otherwise conventional explanations. UFOs that then still defy conventional explanation. Luis Elizondo told the Washington Examiner that the U.S. government has intelligence-analysis predicated reason to investigate further whether these UFOs are indeed not of earthly origin. It matters because Elizondo says these UFOs (what the government refers to as "unidentified aerial phenomena"/UAPs) are not believed to be.

Instead, Elizondo says it is a credible line of government inquiry that these UFOs are "extraterrestrial, extradimensional," or the creation of an Earth-based intelligence entirely unknown to our human society.

The bit about "Earth-based intelligence entirely unknown to our human society"—I need to think about that one!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ufo-investigations-us-considering-extraterrestrial-hypothesis

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Update, here's more:

Another interesting article. The "photo" in the article looks like a computer generated one, but hopefully the actual one mentioned below will be released when more information comes out this summer. That was supposed to be this month... June is pretty close to being done, so maybe in the next week? The article also mentions UAPs that can travel through water as well as air, and has a 12+ minute video of a UAP over Nevada. :)

Quote from: The DebriefOverwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of a new and "extremely clear" photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or "blunted" edges and large, perfectly spherical white "lights" in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

https://thedebrief.org/fast-movers-and-transmedium-vehicles-the-pentagons-uap-task-force

WaPo's support of The Debrief article, https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/confirmed-navys-previously-unreported-2019-triangle-ufo-incident, which also mentions Unidentified Submersible Phenomena.

I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff. ;D

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Quote from: The DebriefOverwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of a new and "extremely clear" photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or "blunted" edges and large, perfectly spherical white "lights" in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

Hi Deb, Hi All,

Thanks for sharing this information Deb. I haven't heard about this yet.


The triangle shaped vehicle with bright lights in the corner, really caught my eye.


Darryl Anka, who channels "Bashar" wrote just one book, that I'm aware of. Many years ago I bought this book, "Bashar: Blueprints for Change" and read it because Bashar seems to suggest several concepts that were somewhat "Seth-like" in nature.

In Part 3 of this book, Chapters 11 through 15, Bashar talked about the ET's. Specifically in Chapter 11, he talks about alien space craft. In this chapter there are two drawings of spacecraft. One of them (page 214) is a scout ship. It is an equilateral triangle, where each side is 40 feet in length with a light on each corner. The other craft (page 216) is huge, cylindrical in shape and about 1 mile long.

How interesting that "Bashar" should have described this spacecraft so well, so many years ago now.

I wonder if tob has anything to share about this?

-jbseth

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Quote from: The DebriefOverwhelmingly, everyone The Debrief spoke with said the most striking feature of the recently released UAPTF intelligence position report was the inclusion of a new and "extremely clear" photograph of an unidentifiable triangular aircraft.

The photograph, which is said to have also been taken from inside the cockpit of a military fighter jet, depicted an apparent aerospace vehicle described as a large equilateral triangle with rounded or "blunted" edges and large, perfectly spherical white "lights" in each corner. Officials who had seen it said the image was captured in 2019 by an F/A-18 fighter pilot.

Hi Deb, Hi All,

Thanks for sharing this information Deb. I haven't heard about this yet.


The triangle shaped vehicle with bright lights in the corner, really caught my eye.


Darryl Anka, who channels "Bashar" wrote just one book, that I'm aware of. Many years ago I bought this book, "Bashar: Blueprints for Change" and read it because Bashar seems to suggest several concepts that were somewhat "Seth-like" in nature.

In Part 3 of this book, Chapters 11 through 15, Bashar talked about the ET's. Specifically in Chapter 11, he talks about alien space craft. In this chapter there are two drawings of spacecraft. One of them (page 214) is a scout ship. It is an equilateral triangle, where each side is 40 feet in length with a light on each corner. The other craft (page 216) is huge, cylindrical in shape and about 1 mile long.

How interesting that "Bashar" should have described this spacecraft so well, so many years ago now.

I wonder if tob has anything to share about this?

-jbseth

Hi, Please find attached two 'pictures' of Bashar's spaceships. The triangle is the alleged scoutship of Bashar as depicted in Darryl Anka's film 'first contact'. The large structure in space is one of their cities. They are deployed in space. The graphics are taken from Darryl Anka's film 'first contact'. According to Bashar the 'Phoenix lights' were a spaceship as well. Hybrids on board. The event occurred over Phoenix as the name 'Phoenix' does represent the resurrection from the ashes. Thus, a strong symbolism is involved.

https://share-your-photo.com/e7e135b503
https://share-your-photo.com/9c9da08430246211/admin

(The pictures have been uploaded for research purposes on this specific forum. No copyright violation intended)

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19356#msg19356)
I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff. ;D

These days, I don't even know what "skeptic group" means anymore. Are these UFO skeptics or just general skeptics? Are they thinkers or just debunkers? Somehow it fascinates me that a "Sethie" would be in multiple skeptic groups.

I once considered trying to converse with astrology skeptics, but what would be the point? As a software guy in the astrological community for many years, it was amusing to me that skeptics would target astrologers. I mean like the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry (formerly SCICOP).

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19356#msg19356)
I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff.

More evidence from credible sources has been released in the last couple of years than in any prior period, so I am wondering why skeptic groups would be having a "field day" now of all times.

Quote from: usmaak (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19356#msg19356)
I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff

Hi usmaak, Hi All,

I'm kind of wondering just what these "skeptics" groups that you belong to, are having a "field day" all about? 

Are you saying that these skeptics groups think that these US Navy's claims of UAP are all bogus?

-jbseth

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These days, I don't even know what "skeptic group" means anymore. Are these UFO skeptics or just general skeptics? Are they thinkers or just debunkers? Somehow it fascinates me that a "Sethie" would be in multiple skeptic groups.

I think that it's kind of a combination of both, just like anything else.  You have people that just get kicks out of not believing things and you have people who apply thought to the process and draw their own conclusions.  It can be tricky to figure out who fits into each category.  And they're not just UFO skeptics.  They're skeptics of anything other than earth and humanity are a fortuitous accident and that once life ends, it ends.  The tend to target any religion or new age beliefs.  And I am a reader and not a participator.  I don't even participate when it comes to religion, though I think that religion is the biggest pile of bunk ever foisted on humanity.

I like to look at all sides and not slot myself into a certain set of beliefs without considering others.  Of course some things I believe are totally silly while others feel more real.

And I don't consider myself a "Sethie" at all, or anything else, really.  I like the Seth material and have been reading it since the 80s, but I've also never seen any undeniable proof that any of it is real.  I mean it feels real, but can feeling really be counted as a fact?  And there are parts of it that just seem ridiculous to me.

I like groups like this one because they make me think and they are a place to talk out the material that I've been reading for so long.  I do have to be careful because I've always fallen on the skeptical side of anything for which I can't find concrete proof.  And let's face it, that's a lot of things.  I've spent years between when I started reading Seth (1987) and today as a complete skeptic of everything even remotely like this.  And there have been times where I've been mostly convinced that there's something to it.

Things that I absolutely do not believe in, in no particular order - UFOs, astrology, religion.

I know that somewhere I posted a story about "seeing lights in the sky".  Maybe it was a UFO and I am wrong for my doubts.  It's certainly possible.  But to me, it seems more likely that it had to do with the ANG base 30 miles down the road than anything.  I've posted a few different "out there" stories here, but every single one of them can be easily explained away.

According to the Seth material, if I am looking for ways to debunk something, I will find them.  If it's part of my reality, I'm creating it.  That's the hook, and the circle that I keep going in.  I just know that I look out on my world and I see and live in physical reality.  I don't see UFOs.  I don't see a world where there's a kind god behind the reigns.  I don't see any benefit to knowing where planets and starts were located when I was born.

Every single so called mystical experience that I've had can easily be explained away in less than ten seconds.

I know that looking for incontrovertible proof is a fools game.  I mean if God came down and smacked me on the back of the head and said, "dude, I'm right here", I'd be a believer.  If I got beamed up into some alien spacecraft, I'd be a believer.  Likewise, if there was something Seth related that I couldn't dismiss, I'd be more likely to be all in.  Or maybe not.  Maybe I'd still find a way to dismiss it.  This is how I've always been.  I think too much for my own good.

And some of the stuff I read here about aliens colonizing and seeding earth and stuff like that comes right out of the science fiction books that I most love reading.

None of it is personal.  Regardless of where we live on this planet, we are all allowed to believe what we want to believe.  We can't openly state it in all places, but the mind believes what it believes.  And I never knock someone for their beliefs.  That's one of the reasons why I don't participate in the skeptic groups.  Because by doing so, I'd be actively telling someone else what to think.  And that's just not me.

The most important thing to me, and one of the biggest reasons why I am here, as well as other places, is that I keep an open mind to the possibilities.  I don't really have any idea what is real and what isn't.  Maybe everything y'all talk about is the truth and I'm just getting in my own way by never being able to thoroughly believe anything.

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I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff.

More evidence from credible sources has been released in the last couple of years than in any prior period, so I am wondering why skeptic groups would be having a "field day" now of all times.

Because they believe in nothing other than a certain death.

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I belong to several skeptic groups and they're all having a field day with this UFO stuff

Hi usmaak, Hi All,

I'm kind of wondering just what these "skeptics" groups that you belong to, are having a "field day" all about? 

Are you saying that these skeptics groups think that these US Navy's claims of UAP are all bogus?

-jbseth

Yes.  That's exactly what they are saying.

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Things that I absolutely do not believe in, in no particular order - UFOs, astrology, religion.

So I will repeat jbseth's question, but to you, not the skeptics groups:

Are you saying that you think that these US Navy's claims of UAP are all bogus? If yes, do you have alternative explanations for the multiple videos taken by the US Navy?

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Things that I absolutely do not believe in, in no particular order - UFOs, astrology, religion.

So I will repeat jbseth's question, but to you, not the skeptics groups:

Are you saying that you think that these US Navy's claims of UAP are all bogus? If yes, do you have alternative explanations for the multiple videos taken by the US Navy?

I don't know what to think.  Crazy times.

But let me turn that around and ask you.  Do you have any alternative explanations?

Edit: I've thought about it.  While I don't have any concrete explanations, it could still be fake.  I don't necessarily trust the government to have anyone else's best interests in mind, other than their own financial interests.  It could be a plot to keep the US population off balance.  Maybe they do truly believe it, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Maybe it's really, truly a big pile of green anal probing aliens and they're sitting there saying, "oh shit!  I told Fred to make sure to turn on the cloaking and he forgot!"

Maybe they're visitors from another dimension and they're just discovering us and investigating.

I don't know.  What I do believe for certain, however, is that if this really is some kind of proof of life on another planet or dimension, it doesn't automatically authenticate every idea that humanity has had about aliens.  It doesn't mean that there's a spaceship hidden in Area 51 (though I am a big fan of the Roswell series).  All it would mean for certain is that yes, there is life elsewhere.

It comes down to my need of real proof in this matter, just like in every other matter.  A bunch of aliens stepping off of a ship and saying "Hey dudes, we come in peace" would do it for me.  A bunch of pictures and videos with government folks saying "hey, there might just be something to this" for sure doesn't do it for me.

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And I don't consider myself a "Sethie" at all, or anything else, really.  I like the Seth material and have been reading it since the 80s, but I've also never seen any undeniable proof that any of it is real.  I mean it feels real, but can feeling really be counted as a fact?

Well, there you go, you've said it all. It sounds like my inner skeptic; if he was more dominant, then I might be looking for "proof" or "fact" also. In the end, though, my skeptic loses his arguments because his view of life is narrow. Experience is all we have and it sounds like you are very open to experience in great variety. So then feelings aren't unimportant, are they?

And I will not make any assumptions, so I ask: what are your views on reincarnation?

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Do you have any alternative explanations?

Hi usmaak, Hi All,

Yes, I do have a plausible alternative explanation.  In several places, Seth actually talks about both UFO's and interdimensional travel. This is what Deb was referring to in her post above. What Seth actually says about interdimensional travel sounds quite a bit like, how the US Navy describes these UAP's.

The fact that nobody can to "prove" to you, to your level of satisfaction, that these UAP's do exist, does not in any way "prove" that they don't exist. 

As Deb mentioned in another topic I believe, many of the subjects that we talk about here really aren't provable one way or the other. I suspect that amongst others, this is probably one of them.

-jbseth

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And I don't consider myself a "Sethie" at all, or anything else, really.  I like the Seth material and have been reading it since the 80s, but I've also never seen any undeniable proof that any of it is real.  I mean it feels real, but can feeling really be counted as a fact?

Well, there you go, you've said it all. It sounds like my inner skeptic; if he was more dominant, then I might be looking for "proof" or "fact" also. In the end, though, my skeptic loses his arguments because his view of life is narrow. Experience is all we have and it sounds like you are very open to experience in great variety. So then feelings aren't unimportant, are they?

And I will not make any assumptions, so I ask: what are your views on reincarnation?

KylePierce, thank you for your response and not being devensive or dismissive of what I said.  That is often a rare thing.  I've read your posts and you do seem to have a very good understanding of all of this and regardless of what I might believe in any given moment, I do enjoy reading what you have to say.

As far as reincarnation...  I'd like to believe it.  For me, it's a better explanation of what happens after death than the whole heaven thing.  I certainly hope that it's true.  I've never seen any concrete proof.  If I've had previous lives, I have no memory of them.  Or maybe I do, but the memories are so intertwined in my reality that I don't realize that they are something else.  I'd like to believe that we go on in some manner.  My mom died a year and half ago and I just found out a couple of days that one of my childhood friends is no longer with us.  I hope in some manner that they have moved on to something subjectively better than this.

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The fact that nobody can to "prove" to you, to your level of satisfaction, that these UAP's do exist, does not in any way "prove" that they don't exist.

I never said that it did.  I am self aware enough to realize that just because I don't believe something or require proof for my belief, that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.  I thought I was clear about that in my post.

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It comes down to my need of real proof in this matter, just like in every other matter.  A bunch of aliens stepping off of a ship and saying "Hey dudes, we come in peace" would do it for me.

Wow, what a great turn this topic has taken! The quote above reminded me of the great movie, Mars Attacks. See below.

When I was reading the articles I posted this morning, it appears the US government is mostly concerned with security risks. My first thought has always been, if these sightings are real, any intelligent "alien" beings that are so advanced in technology could surely have wiped us off the planet decades ago if that was their intention. And I can take that back even further to at least ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs showing what appear to be space craft, and the Nascar lines in Peru that can only be truly appreciated by altitude that could not be reached at the time (500BC-500AD). Do I know for certain that's all real? Nope. I've never personally seen a UFO, but I've heard about them since I was a kid. But the government is seeing the sightings as potential technological advances of our earthly enemies.

I think critical thought and debunking are good and healthy. At least it works for me, or that's how I work. But I also love the idea that we don't know it all and there's always more to learn and discover.

I don't necessarily take a lack of incontrovertible proof of truth is proof that something doesn't exist. This: "The most important thing to me, and one of the biggest reasons why I am here, as well as other places, is that I keep an open mind to the possibilities. I don't really have any idea what is real and what isn't.  Maybe everything y'all talk about is the truth and I'm just getting in my own way by never being able to thoroughly believe anything" is a terrific attitude IMO! I've mentioned this documentary here a few times. I saw it at a ghost hunting trip to Dannybrook, PA, totally off topic for them, but I thought the witnesses were pretty impressive and it opened my mind to UFOs. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1340844/

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As Deb mentioned in another topic I believe, many of the subjects that we talk about here really aren't provable one way or the other. I suspect that amongst others, this is probably one of them.

I totally agree, at least for now, the UFO stuff has not been proven to the general public. What governments have been hiding, if they have been, may tell a different story. I'm not a conspiracy person, but Larry posted a video of Obama answering a question about UFOs that I found pretty telling.

Update: BTW I thought Bashar's triangle UFO was pretty amazing.

Mars Attacks "We Come In Peace" Gak gak gak, gak gak.

https://youtu.be/VBT68a56s70

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According to Bashar the 'Phoenix lights' were a spaceship as well. Hybrids on board. The event occurred over Phoenix as the name 'Phoenix' does represent the resurrection from the ashes.

Hi Tob, Hi All,

Thanks for sharing that Tob. I've always thought that the "Phoenix Lights" may have been a spacecraft. As I recall from some of the stories that I heard, it must have been really large.

-jbseth

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But let me turn that around and ask you.  Do you have any alternative explanations?

I don't really need alternative explanations, since I believe that the Navy has been recording and witnessing real events, not making it all up. I cannot come to concrete conclusions about the nature of their reality, just as the Navy has not, except to list their anomalous characteristics. But I think someone who "absolutely" does not believe that the phenomena exist may not allow any proof to change their mind.

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But let me turn that around and ask you.  Do you have any alternative explanations?

I don't really need alternative explanations, since I believe that the Navy has been recording and witnessing real events, not making it all up. I cannot come to concrete conclusions about the nature of their reality, just as the Navy has not, except to list their anomalous characteristics. But I think someone who "absolutely" does not believe that the phenomena exist may not allow any proof to change their mind.

Ok.  Cool.

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I think critical thought and debunking are good and healthy.

Hi Deb, Hi All,

I personally think that critical thought and debunking may not always be good and healthy. Instead, I think that sometimes they can be relied upon too much, which may in some cases, not be good and unhealthy.  Here's what I'm getting at.


Soren Kierkegaard said the following.

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."




I've always felt that the best way to minimize the risk of falling into either one of these two categories is to approach things with a combination of both: 1) "critical thinking" and 2) "open-mindedness".

It has been my experience that those people who are too open minded, and don't use critical thinking, run the risk of being fooled into believing in things that aren't true. These are the people who believe in the "sentient cucumbers".

On the other hand, some people may rely too much upon their critical thinking and in doing so they can become closed off to other ideas or possibilities. While these other ideas don't necessarily have any legitimacy in regards to critical thinking, they may, in fact, have some merit.  Here I'm talking about ideas like simultaneous time, probable realities and Framework 2, for example. 

When we look at out at our physical world reality with a "critical" approach, there's no reason to believe that all time is simultaneous. This however, doesn't necessarily prove, that this concept isn't actually valid.

As people rely more and more upon their critical thinking, they may never consider or even realize that these other possibilities (simultaneous time, probable realities or Framework 2, etc.) might exist. And since there's no "critical" reason for believing in them, then they must not be valid or have any merit. Thus, these people run the risk of being fooled by not believing in some things that are or may be true.


For me, I think that the real trick here is to constantly be on-guard as to what it is that I think and say, so as to make sure that I don't fall into either one of these two categories.  You may have noticed that I never said that this was easy. Nor, am I always necessarily successful at it.


-jbseth

All I can say is that I read all kinds of different things and participate in all sorts of different groups so that I can keep an open mind.  Sure, my mind is open to some things more than others.  Seth is my main go to because something about it on some level just feels right to me.  Certainly not all of it.  But deep down in that area that logic argues against, there is just something about the material that keeps me coming back.  There's always been something about it.

In the end, I don't know what's real and what isn't. My physical senses are pretty damned persistent in telling me what's what.  But I don't discount the idea that the world might be so much more complex than it appears to be in my day-to-day life.  I also realize that I am never going to get the proof that I'd like to see.  That's where faith comes in, and faith is a hard road for me.  I want to believe and sometimes I feel like that wanting is what keeps me from getting there.  Hey, look at that.  The Law of Attraction at work.  I want to believe so what I'm getting is more wanting to believe.

I'm just a mess. ;D

Oh, and the sad thing about my use of "sentient cucumbers" is that in this country and all over the internet, I'm just afraid that I'll pick some belief that is absolutely ridiculous to me, only to insult someone because they believe it.  And I'm not talking about UFOs or anything like that.  Speaking of which, wouldn't it be funny if sentient cucumbers actually did exist and it turned out that they were our alien overlords??

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I think critical thought and debunking are good and healthy.

Deb, I believe when you say "debunking", you mean skepticism. In my view, debunking is an act of denouncing or berating a claim or belief, often at the expense of critical thought. Skepticism is an attitude of withholding belief until sufficient evidence is available.

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I think critical thought and debunking are good and healthy.

Deb, I believe when you say "debunking", you mean skepticism. In my view, debunking is an act of denouncing or berating a claim or belief, often at the expense of critical thought. Skepticism is an attitude of withholding belief until sufficient evidence is available.

Yes thanks, you're correct, I did mean being skeptical, rather than automatically believing everything I hear or read, or being cynical and rejecting everything. A leftover term from my old ghost hunting days... I was curious then about whether ghosts are real. Some of the people took every little thing to be proof, others were more reserved and would try to "debunk" an event to see if had a natural explanation. So my personal definition is not an "act of denouncing or berating," but more an objective testing to see if something really is what it appears to be. The majority of things people thought were ghosts (such as orbs in photographs) turned out to have natural explanations. The things that were not debunked were accepted as something that couldn't be explained. Of course there were also those who were convinced the event was caused by a ghost.  ;)

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I personally think that critical thought and debunking may not always be good and healthy. Instead, I think that sometimes they can be relied upon too much, which may in some cases, not be good and unhealthy. 

Well Larry got me to explain myself about debunking (my definition vs. his), but I still feel critical thought is my friend, and it may just be another matter of personal definitions and even degree. I don't feel critical thinking means to automatically reject or discount things outside a person's current beliefs or knowledge. To me it means to act thoughtfully, do my homework or a little research, consider the source, etc. and not just automatically accept everything I read or am told. And not with the "little stuff," usually for me things that are what I consider outside common belief or understanding. Yet, I also rely on my intuition quite a bit, and that usually overrides critical thought. I think even with thoughts and beliefs, there can be extremes in either direction, and extremes are problematic.

Hi Deb, Hi All,

I don't think that being skeptical is necessarily bad. After all, it is skepticism that keeps me from believing in sentient cucumbers.  That being said however, how people express their skepticism as in when they berate someone for their opposing ideas or beliefs (as sometimes happens with debunking) can be offensive and is entirely unnecessary.

Actually, in my post above, it was the "critical thought" aspect of your previous comment, that I was referring to and not the "debunking" aspect.


I have several friends who are very much of a "scientific" mind. For one of them in particular, science proves and disproves everything. Science proves that there is no God; there was a Big Bang some billions of years ago. Science proves that consciousness is just a phenomena that results from the chemical soup of interactions that occur within the brain. Science proves that ESP and psychic phenomena don't exist, because if they did exist then science would have proved this. Science also proves that there is no life after death, because, once again if there was, then science would have already proven it.

This man says that by using "critical thinking", scientists have proven all of these things and it is this specific type of "critical thinking" that I was specifically talking about.


My friend is definitely not open-minded. He definitely wouldn't ever consider the possibility that intuitive ideas actually come to him.  And even though he might consider using the imagination to "brain–storm" a new scientific idea, I seriously doubt that he would ever consider the possibility that he could use his imagination to contemplate ideas that might be different than his scientific viewpoint (as in, "what if" as Seth says, all time really is simultaneous, or "what if" as Seth says, probable realities do exist).

Oddly enough, if "science" indicates that time is relative and may not be what we think it is, or if science postulates the existence of probable universes, then, these ideas would be worth exploring because, "science" postulates them.


This, specifically is an example of what I was referring to when I was talking about people being closed – minded and locked into their "critical thinking".

- jbseth

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I don't think that being skeptical is necessarily bad. After all, it is skepticism that keeps me from believing in sentient cucumbers.  That being said however, how people express their skepticism as in when they berate someone for their opposing ideas or beliefs (as sometimes happens with debunking) can be offensive and is entirely unnecessary.

As an aside, I hope that I haven't berated anyone or been offensive in any way.  I go out of my way to try and avoid being that way.  I don't like to make people upset, hurt feelings or anything like that.

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I don't think that being skeptical is necessarily bad. After all, it is skepticism that keeps me from believing in sentient cucumbers.  That being said however, how people express their skepticism as in when they berate someone for their opposing ideas or beliefs (as sometimes happens with debunking) can be offensive and is entirely unnecessary.

As an aside, I hope that I haven't berated anyone or been offensive in any way.  I go out of my way to try and avoid being that way.  I don't like to make people upset, hurt feelings or anything like that.

In my mind, berating someone for having opposing ideas speaks more to the personality of the one doing the berating. For me, there's a difference between judging and attacking someone who has different ideas and options, and having a discussion or agreeing to disagree and then moving on. Some people just enjoy arguing. I sometimes read the Comments at the bottom of news articles, and I'm usually appalled at how people behave.  :P

usmaak, you are certainly not offensive in any way.  :)

So, the Pentagon has released its report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).  Does this report give you all any of the insights you were hoping for?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics/full-text-pentagon-ufo-report-/index.html

I haven't read the report yet, though mainstream news has been talking about it. But I wanted to mention that tonight on the Travel Channel, I watched the highly acclaimed UFO documentary The Phenomenon. I have to say that it was very well-done.

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So, the Pentagon has released its report on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).  Does this report give you all any of the insights you were hoping for?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/25/politics/full-text-pentagon-ufo-report-/index.html

Nothing very exciting, according to the report:

QuoteAirborne Clutter: These objects include birds, balloons, recreational unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), or airborne debris like plastic bags that muddle a scene and affect an operator's ability to identify true targets, such as enemy aircraft.

usmaak, you may be interested in this book, which is avaliable for free download:

https://www.llresearch.org/library/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf.aspx

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usmaak, you may be interested in this book, which is avaliable for free download:

https://www.llresearch.org/library/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf/secrets_of_the_ufo_pdf.aspx

Richard Dolan: A.D. The Day After Disclosure. Downloadable

https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Richard%20Dolan,%20Bryce%20Zabel%20-%20A.D.%20After%20Disclosure%20-%20When%20the%20Government%20Finally%20Reveals%20the%20Truth%20About%20Alien%20Contact%20(2012).pdf

This book has been explicitly recommended by Bashar a few years ago. Disclosure is not so easy. You cannot just open a few files. The Governments will have to explain their former policies of non-disclosure, vulgo: their lies. This will shatter political systems, as there may be well more that has not come to the surface.

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Disclosure is not so easy. You cannot just open a few files. The Governments will have to explain their former policies of non-disclosure, vulgo: their lies. This will shatter political systems, as there may be well more that has not come to the surface.

Though it likely makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist, one thing that I think is that the government has likely told us more lies than truths.  About many things.

Hi All, Hi usmaak,

I read the article that usmaak posted, thanks usmaak,  :) and here's what I got from this.




They reported upon 144 UAP sightings.
"The report examined 144 reports of what the government terms "unidentified aerial phenomenon" — only one of which investigators were able to explain by the end of the study. "

"We were able to identify one reported UAP with high confidence. In that case, we identified the object as a large, deflating balloon. The others remain unexplained," the report says, using the Pentagon's terminology for UFOs. "





Their wording they used was interesting.
"Of the 144 reports we are dealing with here, we have no clear indications that there is any non-terrestrial explanation for them..."

The fact that they had,,"no clear indications..." also doesn't mean that there isn't a non-terrestrial explanation for them.




They believe that these items are "physical".
""We absolutely do believe what we're seeing are not simply sensor artifacts. These are things that physically exist," the official said, noting that 80 of the reported incidents included data from multiple sensors. In 11 cases, pilots reported a "near-miss" collision with these strange objects. "




These UAP's may pose a problem.
"But despite that challenge, the report does conclude that these objects "clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to US national security."



These may have been clustered are US training grounds.
"Worryingly for national security professionals, the report also found that the sightings were "clustered" around US training and testing grounds. But investigators downplayed those concerns, assessing that "this may result from a collection bias as a result of focused attention, greater numbers of latest-generation sensors operating in those areas, unit expectations and guidance to report anomalies."

Some of the UFO reports that I've heard about were specifically made by former military personal, who claimed to see UFO's at military installations.




There were more siting, than those being reported.
"Even as sightings of unexplainable objects rose into the hundreds, Pentagon officials wrestled with how much time and resources to devote to investigating them."

"Most of the 144 sightings covered in the report were recorded by US Navy pilots, although there were some reports from other US government sources — a clear "reporting bias" in the data set investigators examined, the US official said."





I seriously doubt that this report will do anything to seriously change the beliefs of those people who are skeptics and who don't believe in UAP's and who don't believe that some people may have either seen a UFO, or may have been abducted by ET's.

I also seriously doubt that this report will do anything to seriously change the beliefs of those people who have either experienced or seen some odd phenomena, and as a result of this, have come to believe in the existence of UFO's and perhaps ET's as well.

For me at least, I find it refreshing to think, that at least some people within the US hierarchy, are acknowledging the existence that some UAP phenomena that appears to exist.

I also find it entirely plausible that UFO's / ET's might exist, that the US government may know much more about this topic than they are sharing with us and that the comments just made by Tob about the issues with disclosure may have some real merit to them.


-jbseth

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I seriously doubt that this report will do anything to seriously change the beliefs of those people who are skeptics and who don't believe in UAP's and who don't believe that some people may have either seen a UFO, or may have been abducted by ET's.

I also seriously doubt that this report will do anything to seriously change the beliefs of those people who have either experienced or seen some odd phenomena, and as a result of this, have come to believe in the existence of UFO's and perhaps ET's as well.

For me at least, I find it refreshing to think, that at least some people within the US hierarchy, are acknowledging the existence that some UAP phenomena that appears to exist.

I also find it entirely plausible that UFO's / ET's might exist, that the US government may know much more about this topic than they are sharing with us and that the comments just made by Tob about the issues with disclosure may have some real merit to them.

From the report: "Other: Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management."

I think here it is. Unspectacular to the maximum. But they committed themselves to pursue this avenue further, as security issues might be implied. They can't go back behind that.

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They believe that these items are "physical".
""We absolutely do believe what we're seeing are not simply sensor artifacts. These are things that physically exist," the official said, noting that 80 of the reported incidents included data from multiple sensors. In 11 cases, pilots reported a "near-miss" collision with these strange objects. "

jbseth, physical items like plastic bags? It seems to me that "near-miss collisions" don't mean very much. Reports of individuals conversing with alien beings are more convincing.

For many of the UAP examples being investigated, what they have concluded is that the phenomena are physical, intelligently controlled, and displaying capabilities and technology that are far beyond any known to the investigators. They cannot scientifically prove that they are of extraterrestrial, extradimensional, subterranean, underwater, or non-human origin. However, if it were used as evidence in a court of law, the "preponderance of evidence" would suggest that they are among those possibilities, still without proving anything. I think people have enough evidence to be willing to lean in those directions without requiring the Navy to make unscientific claims.

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19404#msg19404)
jbseth, physical items like plastic bags? It seems to me that "near-miss collisions" don't mean very much. Reports of individuals conversing with alien beings are more convincing.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

If you don't think that these "near-miss collisions" mean very much, that is OK with me.  I'm not trying to convince you of something that you don't believe in, nor am I interested that.

In one of the US Navy videos that I saw, one of the people said that some of these UAP sightings displayed  incredible behavior, such as an object that travelled from near sea level to something like 35,000 feet in mere seconds. I'm not aware of any plastic bags that behave like that.

That kind of behavior, I think is probably what the Navy is concerned about. Especially if the object is something that's made out of a fairly strong material such as steel for example.

-jbseth







                     

Here's a CNN analysis of the report, for whatever that's worth.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/politics/odni-ufo-report-takeaways/index.html

Well I have to say I was half hopeful that the report would reveal some interesting information. But I understand the caution and hesitancy.

And wonder about what's honest vs. damage control, considering that all of this has been kept quiet... forever. So we are back to relying on leaked information to be able to develop our own opinions, regardless of the subject matter.

Fine, I can be patient.

"Most Americans believe in intelligent life beyond Earth; few see UFOs as a major national security threat" per Pew Research Center poll: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/30/most-americans-believe-in-intelligent-life-beyond-earth-few-see-ufos-as-a-major-national-security-threat/ (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/30/most-americans-believe-in-intelligent-life-beyond-earth-few-see-ufos-as-a-major-national-security-threat/)

It's a good thing the military has not concluded that the UAPs are hostile because if they did, they would have to enact a tic tac attack tactic.    :D

Well, I saw my first UFO today. I've been on vacation, and also have company, and this afternoon we were all taking a drive down a street on Casey Key. I couldn't tell what I was seeing high in the sky, maybe 250 or more feet up. Once I was more perpendicular to it, I saw it was a 30' long kite tethered to the beach. So, I did see a UFO: an Unidentified Flying Octopus. It's a beginning, right? :)

I posted a lot on this thread once upon a time lol but for now I just want others to know I have had ufo experiences.

 ;D

Physically and in the dream state but in the dreamstate it always involves a spiritual experience or SCHOOL

I travel in a ufo and go from city to city teaching all this stuff LOLOL
(oh and I am by far not the only one doing this!! I cant help but wonder if some of you are in there with me!)

I used to think it was so bizare but now I just go with it hahah

Quote from: strangerthings on September 24, 2021, 04:11:52 AM(oh and I am by far not the only one doing this!! I cant help but wonder if some of you are in there with me!)

St, not consciously!!

Quote from: Deb on July 09, 2021, 04:31:45 PMWell, I saw my first UFO today. I've been on vacation, and also have company, and this afternoon we were all taking a drive down a street on Casey Key. I couldn't tell what I was seeing high in the sky, maybe 250 or more feet up. Once I was more perpendicular to it, I saw it was a 30' long kite tethered to the beach. So, I did see an UFO: an Unidentified Flying Octopus. It's a beginning, right? :)

Swamp gas. Or a weather balloon.

Quote from: usmaak on September 24, 2021, 08:45:34 AM

QuoteWell, I saw my first UFO today. I've been on vacation, and also have company, and this afternoon we were all taking a drive down a street on Casey Key. I couldn't tell what I was seeing high in the sky, maybe 250 or more feet up. Once I was more perpendicular to it, I saw it was a 30' long kite tethered to the beach. So, I did see an UFO: an Unidentified Flying Octopus. It's a beginning, right? (https://speakingofseth.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

Swamp gas. Or a weather balloon.

It was a kite, and I'm sticking to my story.  ;D  Similar to this one.

https://youtu.be/FL0lZz4g2zM

In the link below is the content of a letter allegedly received by famed UFO researcher Stanton Friedman in 2010. The writer claims that his father had considerable inside knowledge of UFO crash retrievals and what had been learned.

Stanton Friedman Was Approached to Potentially Develop Secret UFO Technology (https://www.unknowncountry.com/headline-news/stanton-friedman-was-approached-to-potentially-develop-secret-ufo-technology/)

Quote from: Deb on September 24, 2021, 09:43:10 AMIt was a kite, and I'm sticking to my story.  ;D  Similar to this one.

Thankfully so! If I start seeing Cthulhu flyin around in the skies above -- we have problems LOL

How and why are the ufo's crashing ?

If we go by what Seth says..... how is it possible they are crashing? It makes zero sense to me.



(I edited my original post because I have a wise woman part that reminds me if I want change in the world then my old story is not going to be appropriate) *L*

 ;D

Quote from: LarryH on October 19, 2021, 11:44:53 AMThe writer claims that his father had considerable inside knowledge of UFO crash retrievals and what had been learned.

Wow, really interesting letter. Probably the least sensationalized information about UFOs that I've ever read.

I wonder why the creatures would be biological? Since the technology of the ship was so advanced, I'd think the inventors would build their robots out of synthetic materials. Nothing says biological like a decomposing body.

Quote from: strangerthings on October 19, 2021, 05:48:42 PMHow and why are the ufo's crashing ?

If we go by what Seth says..... how is it possible they are crashing? It makes zero sense to me.

Well aliens make their own reality too! ;D The letter said they suspected a lightening strike. If it's real, it could have been a learning experience for the engineers of the UFO and it's robots, how to improve their design, or it could have been a gift to push us donkey-slow humans to get a handle on the use of energy by example.

I hope I live long enough to find out.  8)

Quote from: strangerthings on October 19, 2021, 05:48:42 PMHow and why are the ufo's crashing ?

St, there is no substantial evidence that they are crashing.

Quote from: Sena on October 19, 2021, 11:48:56 PMSt, there is no substantial evidence that they are crashing.

Exactly.

Just a push for this accepted "fact".

Quote from: Deb on October 19, 2021, 07:37:57 PMThe letter said they suspected a lightening strike.

So they fully came out of camouflage?

I dont trust Stan either.....there were some funky things going on with organizations and the academia attitude never ceased. To me Stan is an agent of sorts. Well he was.

But yes other beings do make their own decisions.  All I can do is see the letter and read it and not come to any conclusion. Just one more thing to add to a huge growing pile.

Quote from: strangerthings on October 20, 2021, 02:58:36 PMSo they fully came out of camouflage?

I have no idea, I don't know anything about UFOs. But there are reports that people see them, military pilots for instance, and have it on film. But who knows what they are. That's why they're "unidentified," lol.

They are mentioned in the Seth materials. And so are ghosts. :)

This is Contactee Steven Jones. I have met him had a little chit chat. He is a very nice gentleman. I bought his book and loved it. It is called "An Invitation to the Dance". I have no idea where he is now but I sure miss his yt channel updates. Its been years. He had this one exercise on his channel for people to do and it was to rewrite your entire story and the best one wins whatever, I forgot. I did not do it to win anything I did it because ....wow cool! I did do it and I had so much fun doing it and it was the first time I had ever done something like that. Amazing experience to rewrite your entire story lol. It started off with (his exercise): "When I woke up in the morning __________ ". To rewrite your life. Amazing. I had forgotten all about it until I had an impulse to look his book up and started looking for his stuff tonight/this morning.

Anyway, here is Steve Jones: (you might want to download it though because it does not seem as though much of his stuff is available anymore. Of course my record of him is on my "other" hard drive.  ::) )

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqT4cjDQurU

Just thought I'd share this... I only heard about it today.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/11/24/year-of-the-ufo-continues-pentagon-launches-program-to-investigate-sightings

"The new program, called the Airborne Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group, will examine reports of UFOs in special use airspace (SUA), such as military operation areas, to "assess and mitigate any associated threats to safety of flight and national security," the Pentagon said in a news release."

Things should get pretty interesting around here. :)

I've had some experiences. They could just be coincidental.

Once I saw a white beam, shooting-star like thing streak across the sky. And then 10 seconds or so later, observing a different part of the sky, a red streak of light, this time appearing as if it were going upwards at an angle, and much farther away than the first.

Another was two white beams around the same part of the sky, the second appearing 5 seconds after the first. On that same walk on the way back, just while I was contemplating what the first two were, another split the sky. The third appeared roughly 10 minutes after the first two. I don't know how that works out statistically given the average amount of shooting stars that appear in an hour. Is it significant that they were all also in my field of view?

I have video of orange orbs. They very well could have been lanterns, I'll post it here sometime.

Quote from: s1nbad on December 28, 2021, 01:42:56 AMI've had some experiences.

Have you read Whitley Strieber? I find his writings quite interesting and a useful supplement to the Seth teachings.

Quote from: Sena on December 28, 2021, 06:46:36 AM

Quote from: s1nbad on December 28, 2021, 01:42:56 AMI've had some experiences.

Have you read Whitley Strieber? I find his writings quite interesting and a useful supplement to the Seth teachings.

I read a bit of Communion, found that really interesting. I should finish that. Which are your favorites?

Quote from: s1nbad on December 28, 2021, 08:03:07 AMI read a bit of Communion, found that really interesting. I should finish that. Which are your favorites?

The book I find most interesting is "Super Natural", written jointly by Strieber and Jeffrey Kripal:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25489537-the-super-natural

Quote from: Sena on December 28, 2021, 10:03:38 PM

Quote from: s1nbad on December 28, 2021, 08:03:07 AMI read a bit of Communion, found that really interesting. I should finish that. Which are your favorites?

The book I find most interesting is "Super Natural", written jointly by Strieber and Jeffrey Kripal:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25489537-the-super-natural

I just started this book, thank you for suggesting it. I really like this quote so far:

QuoteMoses, Paul, and all the others who encountered such manifestations in the past saw something, just as people who encounter UFOs, orbs of light, and aliens do today. I have seen them and interacted with them for years. Millions of others have. What we are seeing now is very much what our ancestors saw. The only things new are the names, and with them a visual grammar that fits our imagination, now directed toward creatures from other planets rather than heaven and hell.

Quote from: s1nbad on December 30, 2021, 02:48:06 PMI just started this book, thank you for suggesting it. I really like this quote so far:

QuoteMoses, Paul, and all the others who encountered such manifestations in the past saw something, just as people who encounter UFOs, orbs of light, and aliens do today.

It is a very interesting book. Another quote from the book:

QuoteI am haunted by the paradoxical sweetness of many of these ferocious experiences. One way to put it would be to say that I had a love affair with a goddess. Another would be that it was an affair with an alien. But the third way to describe it—which is, I suspect, closer to the truth—is that I didn't know who or what my wife really was, or myself, or any of us. I don't know what human beings are, and, based on my own life experience, I have every reason to suspect that the form we live in every day of our lives is not our only state.

This idea resonates with what Seth said about dream personalities. It could be that the "goddess" Striber encountered was a dream personality of his wife Anne:

"Dream dramas are not nebulous theaterlike productions. Their own dimensions, in their way, are every bit as valid as those of waking life. They are as coherent. They affect the self sometimes to an even greater degree. The dream personalities are indeed fragments, projections of the self, all working out various roles, seeking various experiences, searching for solutions and gratifications.

These dream personalities or fragments indeed have their own consciousness. They are as unaware, and as aware, of you as you are of them. They exist once you have created them. No action can be withdrawn. It must complete its nature according to the dimensions in which it exists, and so the dream personalities or fragments continue to exist whether or not you are aware of them."

—TES4 Session 173 July 28, 1965

Another possibility is that the "goddess" was Anne's "larger entity":

"The personality who sometimes speaks (Seth's larger entity), can change form at will. He was never imprisoned by believing that one personality existed within one form. To your way of thinking he would change form according to his mood; as he thinks, he is. (Emphasized.) His development began in your terms in such ancient times that for all intents and purposes you could say that in terms of value fulfillment he was so far advanced as to be alien entirely. Now some personalities from one system aid other personalities within other systems, but highly developed personalities, those in your terms so far advanced, will set for themselves the task of aiding an entire civilization; of assisting the development of a new system, and sometimes initiating the existence of that system." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/grGVe99

'First Contact'- video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXHtS8cxhgQ&t=26s