~Speaking of Seth~

After reading so much channeling material and working on myself.Also putting the external politics of US and all US hero and morale movies in one big bowl i see how comical and ironic the situation in US became.You just voted an adolescent married with a model girl that have other top models as daughters...Yesterday was looking at TV and presented Trump with his family...From a male perspective the daugthters are beutiful.Also his wife is beautiful...And also her nudes photos are too.In a way US just gone to such an extreme of shame in front of world after years of being the good shephard of the world and showing the way for other countries...So much years of diseminating morale values in movies and around countries and this just gone out of window in a couple of months...In my country politicians lie frecquently so it's really a fashion but in US to expect such degree of turning.You had big curtain/facade for years and in 2016 just falled big time.It took so much time to really put the curtain down... I knew that US was like a false prophet but others didn't want to accept it and here you guys are voting for Trump..One of the most sincere decisions from a collective point of view that i saw in years..You just got naked in a couple of months...UK was in the same boat in some way with Brexit but not to such degree.Anyway trump said he will do Brexit plus plus so...This is a fancy movie from an ET observer... And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this...His wife got naked ... I don't his girls do ... Trump is a symbol of an extreme  fall in this time.I mean the personality fall, the ego fall...US citizens wanted to "shake things up"
Here is a nice article by Michael Moore...

http://michaelmoore.com/dearmillennials/

As i said in another post before election Trump will be the catalyst...An extreme one so here you have some awesome stuff in US...very intersting neverthless..

'Subway Therapy': Commuters Stick Post-It Notes on Walls to Share Election Blues
https://www.yahoo.com/news/subway-therapy-commuters-stick-post-172100902.html


This is very intersting happening in US actually where "freedom" word is used...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html


U.S. visitors flooded immigration website prior to election night crash, department confirms
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-immigration-website-crash-presidential-election-1.3845080



and a big petition against  him ... Wow

Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19



if the above petition fail then young people will come to White house and actually kick him out physically ? :P

That would be the hell of an event ....  ;D


Trump will make people be sincere and deep...All things above were really possible because Trump acted as catalyst...If you tell people to change for "nothing" they may not but for dethroning Trump seems they are willing to change... Ha...The masses waking up...Seems people are still needed the HARD way path to get a reason to awaken..Something very extreme..
Congrats anyway....  ;)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7731#msg7731)And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
This win was unexpected and probably miraculous. Trump may have influenced voters telepathically.

I've moved this topic to Miscellaneous / Chit Chat because I'd like to keep Comic Relief & Entertainment for "funny or entertaining things." To me politics is not a good fit.

9th Dimensional Pleiadian about US election after Trump election...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxnknmbgcb4

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7734#msg7734)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7731#msg7731)And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
This win was unexpected and probably miraculous. Trump may have influenced voters telepathically.

It wasn't miraculous...US wanted to test something new wanted some adrenaline..They were bored with the "good" president Obama..Trump behaviour press many buttons in many people.He brings up thoses repressed emotions in people.The people need to feel alive...Look at mentality of fun paired with drinking and getting drunk...

Michael Moore knew that trump will win before hand..Look at the date of the article on his blog..

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

On the other hand if people empowered themselves by taking responsability of their thoughts and emotional missery Trump wouldn't be where it is now.He wouldn't even be in the race for president..
Humanity isn't in the position of responsability in 2016..I mean is better than 20 years ago but not there.
In the long term a united humanity is the point but not by controlling goverment but by a paradigm that isn't even invented yet..Only young and unborn people will have the power of change...Many old people are fighting old wars and they are in viscious circle.Too entrenched in this soap opera to see beyond.Both candidates are around 70 years old..What this tells you ?

Trump is an expression of US collective deepest emotional missery racism, anger, fear etc that were always there but not really surfaced...until 2016...

I don't think I understand Framework 1 very much at the moment. All I know is that political things that were not expected to happen (Brexit, Trump becoming POTUS, Corbyn becoming Labour leader, May becoming PM etc) have happened. The polls were wrong.

I couldn't watch very much of Trump because he seemed to saying the most offensive things he could think of in a sort of 'show'. I find him repulsive on many levels but I'm just a spectator.

Quote from: Wren (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7758#msg7758)I don't think I understand Framework 1 very much at the moment. All I know is that political things that were not expected to happen (Brexit, Trump becoming POTUS, Corbyn becoming Labour leader, May becoming PM etc) have happened.

I think it is a problem most of us have, of not being able to understand Framework 1. Yes, unexpected things have happened, but unexpected good things could happen in the future. As I understand it Trump intends to take the U.S. (and therefore the rest of the world) in a different economic direction. Yes, a high-risk strategy. Britain being outside the EU may be better able to adapt to the new economic conditions.

And behind ALL of this play on the chessboard there is a unseen chessboard that are the energies of the universes and quantum state that...This is the code behind the program...Many people are stuck at goverment that at the top but beyond the goverment is the code that rules.The "code" behind follow the rules of universe..This means that it doesn't matter what goverment does there are still following the rules of universe...It doesn't matters how much ignorant and lies are spread...You can get out of ilusion by just knowing and going beyond the goverment and the human structures that are ilusions in themselves...Even if the best nicest president will come STILL very individual have the responsability to heal their inner self...The advantage of nice president is that it will be in a encouraging, nurturing enviroment.In the TrumpLand is the other way actually but we as a humanity are polarized to negative so much that we "need" a negative catalyst to be forced to heal things inside...The paradox is that people who are angry actually express their deeper anger in frustrations when this negative catalyst is there so as ironic as it sounds they heal and the collective heals and the change outside takes place...But this change outside takes place because they express the anger energy..They were given a big reason to express the anger in collective...Trump forced a purging from US mass conscioness...

myststars,
       I really like what you just said.
I agree.
its funny, kinda, sorta in a way, the seeming paradox.
people need to express and see in a kind of extreme manner, their anger, their meanness, and then, perhaps, hopefully, they wake up.
its like when people wake up, and find out that peace is so much more excellent than war.
love, so much better than hate.
kindness so much better than meanness.
its like what's so hard about this?
its like what are we doing here on this planet, with so many freakin grown up adult kindergarten level people?
they look like they're grown ups.
they act like it, sometimes
but other times, oh boy!!!! look out.

Someone wise said the dark is more united than light...This is why we are getting the impression that there is so much dark in the world.The people that are more negative polarized have a reason to come together..The light workers have not so much desire to come together...The negative voice is heard and yell big time and make itself heard intentionally...

ah, very interesting.
I never thought of that before.

Quote from: Wren (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7758#msg7758)I couldn't watch very much of Trump because he seemed to saying the most offensive things he could think of in a sort of 'show'. I find him repulsive on many levels but I'm just a spectator.

Many people consider him repulsive (I do) but they find Hillary repulsive in her own way, and corrupt and dishonest in addition to that. I've felt very disappointed in the past few elections with the lack of quality in candidates, no clear choices for me. It could all be an illusion as well, maybe the press and the dirty campaign tactics have turned our election process into a mud slinging contest.

Watching this campaign (from an emotional distance) was completely perplexing to me. Trump's cartoonish behavior during debates, blurting out some very unprofessional, crude and undignified stuff over and over again, was embarrassing. But it seems people are tired of being kept in the dark and are looking to him to bring out truth, regardless of how gritty and ugly it may be or how tactless he is in delivering it. Maybe too many people feel they were being lulled to sleep by the current administration and feel a strong need to get jolted awake.

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7760#msg7760)As I understand it Trump intends to take the U.S. (and therefore the rest of the world) in a different economic direction.

And yes, I think that's a good portion of people's reasoning in voting for Trump. Hillary's plans to increase taxes and spending would be more of the same. Maybe Trump can get a handle on our national debt, encourage businesses to bring their work back to American soil, create jobs here rather than sourcing much out of country because of the economic penalties here.

No doubt Americans are looking for someone to shake things up around here and Trump is the one who can do that. Hopefully once he's in office and people accept the fact that he's at the helm, they will decide that taking sides is not the way to get anything accomplished and will start working together. I hate to say this, but nothing brings people together like catastrophe. Hopefully that won't be the case, I tend to be an optimist and am curious to see how things go.

Quote from: chasman (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7765#msg7765)its like what are we doing here on this planet, with so many freakin grown up adult kindergarten level people?

That's precisely where we are here! Earth is the kindergarten of spiritual enlightenment. Some people learn, some don't.

"That's precisely where we are here! Earth is the kindergarten of spiritual enlightenment. Some people learn, some don't."

I agree with you.
the Rick Stack video on youtube is cool.
he said that Seth said this is a big school.
we are here, learning how to use energy.
we keep coming back here, and have more lives/incarnations, until we learn the lesson. (using energy in constructive, positive, creative ways. :))
once we learn the lesson, we only come back here, if we want to.
wishing you much love and joy and fun and peace, and chocolate chip cookies and pizza.
Charlie

Here is an intersting thread about US election 2016 on a bashar dedicated forum.Someone posted a full transcript of a channeling session with an entity named ELIAS.The human that requested the channeling wanted to talk about the US election...

This is a quote from it...

Anon is from Anonymous the human that is asking and remained anonymous.....Elias is the entity...


"ANON: Do you think that he's going to change any of his tune to modify it at all because now he's won?

ELIAS: I would express that that is also a significant possibility and potential, and why? Because now he has no audience.

ANON: He's got what he needed from them, and so now it's onward for something else.

ELIAS: No, actually what I would express is he has been, in a manner of speaking, drunk with the power of the audience for all this time, and it has fueled him tremendously. Not that it has altered his own opinions, but that it has fueled him tremendously, and that has encouraged him to be quite boisterous and quite vocal in relation to what he thinks or what his opinions are. But the challenge with that is that although he has built more and more and more momentum, very similar to a steam engine with all of that audience and the feeding of his expression and applauding it, now that he has won the race – and it would have been the same whether he won or he lost – but once the race is over, which it is, then the audience is lost. There is no more audience. Now he transitions into a different theater. And in that theater, the individuals that participate in that theater all perceive themselves as equally as important.

ANON: Meaning other politicians, I'm assuming, yeah?

ELIAS: Yes. But not ONLY the politicians. The structures that SUPPORT the politicians, and all of their perceptions are that they are equally as important as he is, and therefore they are not his audience. They are not in a position to merely sit and listen and clap for him, and whistle and yell; no. Now he is in a different theater.

ANON: Do you think he really meant all of the things he has said, or do you think he said them to appease his audience? "


"ANON: The country's divided fifty-fifty, so there's some pretty big energy in both directions.

ELIAS: I would agree, and in both directions there is a tremendous expression of non-willingness to accept difference: Our way or no way."

Tolerance level is very low...The deep wound of humanity regarding accepting diversity...

I really recommend to read the entire conversation...Is nice and enlightening..

http://www.bashar-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=732&start=220

It sure feels like the election was a mass event and that it's connected with all the other things going on in different parts of the world.  As Seth suggests, we may need to follow the emotions to help us understand what's happening.  The main emotion in the election was fear, which was not only intensified because it was coming from both sides, but fear is also a primary emotion.  The hatred was pretty intense, too, but it's a secondary emotion, arising from fear.  We hate what we fear most.  Control issues come into play as well, because we attempt to reduce our fear by controlling others and any external factors we view as affecting our lives.  The ingrained distrust of women, with its deep cultural and religious roots, only added to the fear. 

Although there's a lot that can be learned if we examine our various beliefs that are creating these fears, I think it'll take a while for those of us more directly affected or involved in this situation or the other situations going on globally to process all the emotions because they are so basic and so extreme.  Not only that, all of the situations that might be part of this mass event are still ongoing.  And knowing that the fear (or any other emotion) we may be feeling needs to be faced and then followed through to our beliefs does not make the process easy or instantaneous.  It just gives us a few tools to do the work.

Myststars's post of the Elias conversation really helped expand my understanding of some of the complexities of what's happening.  I did read the entire conversation, and I also went to Mary Ennis's website and read a particularly good transcript that expands on the issues of fear and control, specifically in relation to religion.

Perhaps the best part of that session are the ideas that can help us deal with the current situation, both immediately and in choosing a direction to move forward.

Immediately:  "If you are threatened and are encouraged in the direction of fear because of a perceived consequence, you likely will be reactive. But if you are NOT reactive, then the threat of that consequence loses its power. If you are not afraid of it and you are not reactive to it, you are not being controlled by it, and therefore it is unsuccessful and it holds no power any longer."

Direction to take:  Genuine empowerment of the individual that includes the belief in the value of all individuals.

The session transcript:  http://www.eliasweb.org/transcripts/t_session.php?session_nr=201601062

The paradigm of current society is emotions are a taboo subject and is ignored...On the other hand is promoted the intelectualized, logical resolution of all things by changing rules and punishment...Women are the most emotional and the most affected in this game of intelect and ilusions.When the society goes by functioning in an ilusory intelectual/logical game and the individual is drived by ignored emotions then we all lose...The thing is the people that don't want to look at their emotions will be forced to look by a deep trial and error process...For example we have today Trump example that he says and that so his image take people to such extremes that some will awaken to such a degree to tolerate things around them that were untolerable days ago...
It's like if you have a big accident and near miss death then you may really become wiser next day...Things that bother you don't bother you anymore...You are more relaxed and suddenly apreaciating that you have another...This is how i see the awaken of the humanity like after a big "accident"...

Quote from: Dandelion (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7784#msg7784)
It sure feels like the election was a mass event and that it's connected with all the other things going on in different parts of the world.  As Seth suggests, we may need to follow the emotions to help us understand what's happening.  The main emotion in the election was fear, which was not only intensified because it was coming from both sides, but fear is also a primary emotion.  The hatred was pretty intense, too, but it's a secondary emotion, arising from fear.  We hate what we fear most.  Control issues come into play as well, because we attempt to reduce our fear by controlling others and any external factors we view as affecting our lives.  The ingrained distrust of women, with its deep cultural and religious roots, only added to the fear. 

Although there's a lot that can be learned if we examine our various beliefs that are creating these fears, I think it'll take a while for those of us more directly affected or involved in this situation or the other situations going on globally to process all the emotions because they are so basic and so extreme.  Not only that, all of the situations that might be part of this mass event are still ongoing.  And knowing that the fear (or any other emotion) we may be feeling needs to be faced and then followed through to our beliefs does not make the process easy or instantaneous.  It just gives us a few tools to do the work.

Myststars's post of the Elias conversation really helped expand my understanding of some of the complexities of what's happening.  I did read the entire conversation, and I also went to Mary Ennis's website and read a particularly good transcript that expands on the issues of fear and control, specifically in relation to religion.

Perhaps the best part of that session are the ideas that can help us deal with the current situation, both immediately and in choosing a direction to move forward.

Immediately:  "If you are threatened and are encouraged in the direction of fear because of a perceived consequence, you likely will be reactive. But if you are NOT reactive, then the threat of that consequence loses its power. If you are not afraid of it and you are not reactive to it, you are not being controlled by it, and therefore it is unsuccessful and it holds no power any longer."

Direction to take:  Genuine empowerment of the individual that includes the belief in the value of all individuals.

The session transcript:  http://www.eliasweb.org/transcripts/t_session.php?session_nr=201601062

From my point of view (living in Oz) the election was a bunch of noise and borderline psychotic reactions from people foaming at the mouth that "Candidate X" got in, and surely now society is doomed and the sky will fall.

I don't get into politics at all, but one election is as forgettable as the next for me.

I did read a rather amusing quote this week from who I forget:

"I believe in two term presidents. One term in office, and then one term in prison"

As a non-American, my view is that the American president can affect the rest of the world in two main ways:
(1) He can start a war or stay away from war. The indications are that Trump is likely to stay away from war. He has made friendly noises towards Putin, and he is less likely to intervene in the Middle East.
(2) His policies can have an impact on the world economy.
Trump has "proposed spending $1 trillion on roads, airports, pipelines, and the electrical grid, compared to the $305 billion over 5 years approved by Congress in late 2015."
http://fortune.com/2016/11/12/trump-transportation-priorities/
One trillion dollars is a bit more than a row of beans. It is high-risk strategy because it could lead to higher inflation. But it will create many jobs in America, and could also stimulate the world economy. Youth unemployment is a massive problem everwhere in the world, and this may be the only way to even partially solve that problem.
I await the next few years with interest.

The one thing that not many people are discussing is macro economics. How long since the last Depression? and the 2008 crash was hardly that, even though it should have been. How long can the entire world be propped up via US petro dollars, backed by nothing except the USA's might? And how long can paper money be printed at a whim?


Politicians are conniving snakes...but they are also very clever, ruthless and extremely tactical. And the 'party' comes before any individual (Nixon is testament to that). One possibility is that Trump is the pawn to take the fall for the next great economic slump. He really isn't party material. Quite possibly both parties have planned this for the longer term. And even worked together to achieve it.


From a mass event perspective....well any number of things can be going on, and most probably are. I'll wait for hindsight and keep creating my own reality, regardless what the spin doctors tell me.


LK

Sena,
     super enjoyed your post. thank you.
very positive thoughts, ideas.
really really good stuff.
I say value all humans.
Gandhi said you don't beat your enemy by killing them, you do it by befriending them.

anyway, I love the idea of world leaders being friends.
war is bad.
war is wrong.
killing people is wrong.
helping people is good.
hopefully Trump has people advising him that value all human life.
hopefully, Trump can then be a positive influence on Putin.
we don't want another Cold War with Russia.
cooperation, work together for a peaceful world for all people.
operate from a viewpoint that we live in a world of abundance.
there's enough for everyone.
encourage the spirit of friendliness.
we all win, when we ALL win.
its like inside every single person, there's this little awesome amazing magical person. how we can help that person get out? and express themselves?
how can I do it in me, to begin with. because first I have to do it with me. at least get it started.
and then, how can I help others to do the same thing.
life is good.
people are potentially good. and bad.
I feel very grounded.
I would like to help other people.
I need to come up with a plan.

hi Len, just wanted to mention that I was typing my post, and did not see your post, before I posted mine.
interesting perspective.
all of the posts here, are all very interesting.

Quote from: LenKop (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7802#msg7802)
The one thing that not many people are discussing is macro economics. How long since the last Depression? and the 2008 crash was hardly that, even though it should have been. How long can the entire world be propped up via US petro dollars, backed by nothing except the USA's might? And how long can paper money be printed at a whim?


Politicians are conniving snakes...but they are also very clever, ruthless and extremely tactical. And the 'party' comes before any individual (Nixon is testament to that). One possibility is that Trump is the pawn to take the fall for the next great economic slump. He really isn't party material. Quite possibly both parties have planned this for the longer term. And even worked together to achieve it.


From a mass event perspective....well any number of things can be going on, and most probably are. I'll wait for hindsight and keep creating my own reality, regardless what the spin doctors tell me.


LK

Imo it doesn't matter anymore macro or micro, banks and stuff and all of this economic rules and stocks...Behind all this machinery called Economic is still the quantum stuff and universe rules and those follow them...Those rules are invented from humanity, are desintegrated by humanity ... At base of creativity is still emotion that is energy at base and is part of energy of universe...We and our bodies are not manufactured in a Human-plant so humans still has to change themselves to alter the pieces on the chessboard...The board is quantum and universe...Economics is just an invention that can be or may not be here...
I wonder when the economic schools begin to teach consciouness...Consciouness in economics means the economics is pretty much redundant.

Quote from: chasman (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7803#msg7803)Sena,
     super enjoyed your post. thank you.
very positive thoughts, ideas.
really really good stuff.
I say value all humans.

chasman, thanks for your comments. The fact is that a vast number of Americans voted for Trump, and it would be silly to think that all those people are "bad".
Lenkop, I am not an economist, but it seems to me that there are some economic arguments in favor of Trump. What he is proposing is Keynesian economics. Roosevelt made this work in the thirties. In the eighties, Thatcher and Reagan overturned Keynes and went down the "monetarist" road with tight control on money supply. The result of monetarism seems to be mass youth unemployment, and that can't go on. When I was traveling in the bus today (in Sri Lanka), I heard two young guys talking about their job prospects. They were saying that some of their friends had got jobs in Dubai, but even those jobs are drying up.

thank you Sena.
gotta hope for the best here.
better to light a single candle, than curse the darkness.
like breeds/begets like.
look, hate is the wrong way.
if people don't understand that, well, then they've got some learning/work to do.
its a prevalent/common problem.
I know thats oversimplifying.
but there's a kernel of truth there, even so.
its all about the love.
thats all.
I loved years ago, when I read a Dalai Lama quote:
"my religion is simple. my religion is kindness."
that so resonates with me.
when people wake up to that realization, everything changes for the better. everything.

myststars, I disagree.


Like many who put 'spiritual' and 'quantum' above and beyond the physical, I think it is not only denying the glory, and importance, of the physical world, but also denying the creative importance of this theater. Furthermore, the suggestion that 'behind all this machinery called Economics is still the quantum stuff and universe rules' sounds to me like free will is not involved. We are the quantum stuff, as much as anything else is. including our beliefs, emotions and ideas. One idea being economics. As you said 'one idea being Economics', but you seem to suggest this idea is lesser than other ideas. Which idea is more important? Are any ideas more important than others?


You said that 'at the base of creativity is still emotion'. I think emotion fuels the creativity, but beliefs are the masters, and imagination is the catalyst. I don't think raw emotion has ever created anything in the physical world.


'Few beliefs are intellectual alone. When you are examining the contents of your conscious mind, you must learn, or recognize, the emotional and imaginative connotations that are connected with a given idea. One particular method is three-pronged. You generate the emotion opposite the one that arises from the belief you want to change, and turn your imagination in the opposite direction from the one dictated by the belief. At the same time you consciously assure yourself that the unsatisfactory belief is an idea about reality and not an aspect of reality itself.


'You realize that ideas are not stationary. Emotions and imagination move them in one direction or the other, reinforce them or negate them.' NOPR, Chapter 4, 11:08


The above quote is very Napolean Hill, (or is NH very Sethian ;))...but we have to take it from the creative point of view both individually and en masse. The emotion behind the idea of economics is one of the most powerful in the world today. Most people spend a third of there entire time on earth working to earn money. And much of their spare time is focussed on what they own, how to get more, what they're worth and how to pay the bills. Most people imagine the 'finer things in life'. This is all material, but it's driven from the quantum level by our imagination and emotions. 


Now, en masse, perhaps there are nations of people yearning for more. Or so focused on what they don't have that they keep recreating their poverty. Perhaps the rest of the world is sick of the USA being the world police and so new politics are being created. Again, I don't know exactly, but to sit back and say micro and macro don't matter is the denying our power as a species to change our own reality.


LK

Quote from: LenKop (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7815#msg7815)

'You realize that ideas are not stationary. Emotions and imagination move them in one direction or the other, reinforce them or negate them.' NOPR, Chapter 4, 11:08

What i mean is that Economics is just an idea...A temporary one actually.The fact that in Economcs schools conscioness is not teached or quantum framework is not mentioned imo makes "Economics" like many others things from our society incomplete.By not the connection between economics and the quantum framework it makes it prone to failure and extinction.Economics in today is a tool for control the masses and keep them in shadow.The fact the economic is ruled by old generation and old energy and they intelectualize it to the extreme and make it so complicated for the masses is intentional.Add that there is a intentional disconnection from quantum and emotion makes it just an "masculine" ilusion used for purpose of power. Politics is another tool like this..Masculine extreme tool used by an unbalanced male  ruled system to AVOID on purpose the emotion and conscioness or used only when needed to rule or take power advantages...
Economics and Politics are tools perfectly for a male ruled society that is AFRAID of emotions and the intanginble...Quantum and conscioness will exist anyway with or without human ignorance...But in ignorance the road is a painfull and ilussory with plenty of lies and deceiving...
The people that you talk about that put emotions behind economics are entrenched in survival mode..Desperation, fear is the base emotion behind economics.
The turmoil and the agressiveness in people that construct "economics machinery" and the mentality of avoiding emotions or denying their existence and even that they matter dictate the way they build "economics"... In a society where the emotions are repressed, suppressed and feminine is suppressed the economics is very intelctualized/mental...The rest is not taken in consideration.This is changing..The mental economics today is collapsing because is based on mental only.It can't exist anymore in the new consciouness.
Someone said that the banking system is 500 years old..It didn't evolve as technology evolved.Is incompatible with year 2016 hence so much collapsing in banks around the world.

Theo channeled by Sheila Gillete on US election...THe seminar is accesesable for free..

https://asktheoevent.webex.com/ec3100/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&siteurl=asktheoevent&entappname=url3100&internalRecordTicket=4832534b00000002157f8ad135889e2201d6548652f110abc315c13e544ba1d335808953b9355cdd&renewticket=0&isurlact=true&format=short&rnd=1028662543&RCID=275846cf560248769367eb4659f69a36&rID=14263742&needFilter=false&recordID=14263742&apiname=lsr.php&AT=pb&actappname=ec3100&&SP=EC&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do


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Theo channeled by Sheila Gillete on US election...THe seminar is accesesable for free..

https://asktheoevent.webex.com/ec3100/eventcenter/recording/recordAction.do?theAction=poprecord&siteurl=asktheoevent&entappname=url3100&internalRecordTicket=4832534b00000002157f8ad135889e2201d6548652f110abc315c13e544ba1d335808953b9355cdd&renewticket=0&isurlact=true&format=short&rnd=1028662543&RCID=275846cf560248769367eb4659f69a36&rID=14263742&needFilter=false&recordID=14263742&apiname=lsr.php&AT=pb&actappname=ec3100&&SP=EC&entactname=%2FnbrRecordingURL.do&actname=%2Feventcenter%2Fframe%2Fg.do


PS: Use Google Chrome

mystars, this broadcast requires me to install the Webex extension for Chrome. The reviews for Webex are not very good:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cisco-webex-extension/jlhmfgmfgeifomenelglieieghnjghma/reviews?hl=en

"Even if you happen to want this for a legitimate purpose, you should refrain from doing so as they support tampering with user's computers."

Cisco is a US company and also installing Windows 10 is tampering with user's computer in a way too...
On the other hand you can uninstall it after you listen...They use Cisco webex as a platform for workshops/seminars with video, multiuser and stuff...
Find a way to listen to it eventually on other pc.I feel is worth listening for most americans especially that are scared and confused now.There are many people asking live and some fearful questions.

Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things. The box has been open.Trump just paved the way for a sincere, deep expression.It's ugly but is sincere finally.Now is your time to embrace the shadow if you want a good future the has to be embraced.

Hate incidents spreading in wake of Trump win

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hate-incidents-spreading-in-wake-of-trump-win-231607863.html

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7833#msg7833)Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things.

mystars, that is an interesting observation. One decision which will have to be made is whether the economy is the priority or the environment.

Again myststars, I respectfully disagree.


Firstly, to say 'Economics is just an idea...a temporary one actually,...' and you go on to say that it is incomplete because there's no quantum framework involved with it, making it prone to failure and extinction. Well this definition covers nearly every popular topic, or hobby, or idea, studied or experienced by mankind today. Apart from physics, what else is using 'quantum frameworks' in its study? I studied tertiary level music. My teachers never mentioned probable realities or consciousness. From the many topics covered in school today, I can't think of any that delve deeply into reality as part of their curriculum. Does this mean they are all doomed to extinction? And if so why hasn't Economics. the Arts, History, etc disappeared yet?


Secondly, when you say 'the fact the economy is ruled by old generation and old energy..' tells me that you have a 'belief' about what the economy is, but I don't accept it as a 'fact'. You are giving away your power when you admit others rule over you, no matter if that is within economics or whichever field. Plenty of people lost a lot of money in the Great Depression, but many made a lot of money too. it all depends on what you believe. And ideas about old energy and new energy are quite romantic. But there is only One energy. And if you focus yours correctly, and i focus mine correctly, then the mass begins to shift.


Thirdly, and once more, when you say 'fear is the base emotion behind economics', it tells me more about your belief about what's behind economics rather than any actual reality. There are many people who use economics to spread love and goodwill. There are people who use it to connect the world. All these are born from consciousness, but applied physically through the idea of economics.


The banking system might be 500 years old, but Economics is far older. It's simply a means of exchange. And to say banking didn't evolve as technology evolved is just not true. Where do you think the technologist entrepreneurs borrowed their money from? The banks have evolved. I use online banking, I have PayPass on my card, and even now straight from my phone. Even as Bitcoin has changed the kind of banking we do, it still is a creative evolution of a temporary idea.


And perhaps when we get the Star Trek utopia, and money is no longer required, then economics will be a distant memory. Until then, only our beliefs regarding economics, money, and material value, are the things that make it positive or negative.


LK

Quote from: LenKop (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7835#msg7835)
Again myststars, I respectfully disagree.


Firstly, to say 'Economics is just an idea...a temporary one actually,...' and you go on to say that it is incomplete because there's no quantum framework involved with it, making it prone to failure and extinction. Well this definition covers nearly every popular topic, or hobby, or idea, studied or experienced by mankind today. Apart from physics, what else is using 'quantum frameworks' in its study? I studied tertiary level music. My teachers never mentioned probable realities or consciousness. From the many topics covered in school today, I can't think of any that delve deeply into reality as part of their curriculum. Does this mean they are all doomed to extinction? And if so why hasn't Economics. the Arts, History, etc disappeared yet?


Secondly, when you say 'the fact the economy is ruled by old generation and old energy..' tells me that you have a 'belief' about what the economy is, but I don't accept it as a 'fact'. You are giving away your power when you admit others rule over you, no matter if that is within economics or whichever field. Plenty of people lost a lot of money in the Great Depression, but many made a lot of money too. it all depends on what you believe. And ideas about old energy and new energy are quite romantic. But there is only One energy. And if you focus yours correctly, and i focus mine correctly, then the mass begins to shift.


Thirdly, and once more, when you say 'fear is the base emotion behind economics', it tells me more about your belief about what's behind economics rather than any actual reality. There are many people who use economics to spread love and goodwill. There are people who use it to connect the world. All these are born from consciousness, but applied physically through the idea of economics.


The banking system might be 500 years old, but Economics is far older. It's simply a means of exchange. And to say banking didn't evolve as technology evolved is just not true. Where do you think the technologist entrepreneurs borrowed their money from? The banks have evolved. I use online banking, I have PayPass on my card, and even now straight from my phone. Even as Bitcoin has changed the kind of banking we do, it still is a creative evolution of a temporary idea.


And perhaps when we get the Star Trek utopia, and money is no longer required, then economics will be a distant memory. Until then, only our beliefs regarding economics, money, and material value, are the things that make it positive or negative.


LK

I heard a saying: Art will save Earth.
Art in all forms is a form of channeling.Unless you make art an purely intelectual thing it will transcend intelect.Art puts the individual in contact with his/her higher self because creativity and imagination is requested in Art.When you tap in creativity / imagination and immerse then you are one with the divine..The quantum is not teached directly ...is used automatically...Is built in...Is natural flow of universe to the individual for expression.
Economics is very intelectualized and mental in nature so imo the act of creativity and imagination is questionable.
I am not saying that the banks didn't add technology to their infrastructure but the base mentality is very old.They have a 21st century coat for a 500 old mentality.The core remained the same.
A 70 years granny can have a smartphone and her mentality may remain the same even with the smartphone.It doesn't matter how much tech you give/put.Unless the individual using it have a paradigm shift he/she will do the same thing but with 21st century tools...After the banking system failures after failures from 2008 no technology will save the old mentality fall. Is just a matter of time.
Also another example is Justice systems is also in the same boat...You can have fancy new cars for judges and new tech inserted in courts and stuff but really the mentality is still old.The justice system model is very very old..I do feel the model with punishment and someone judges you is not working anymore...Is an old primitive model for a primitive humanity..This slowly has to be removed at some point and individuals with plenty of love and ethereal healing needs to be implicated.
The judges from today are very military style, rules, strict...I prefer someone that has done some sort of distortion (stealing crime etc) to be exposed to very very pure human mirrors...
By pure human mirrors it means individuals that purified their mind from anger, anxieties, fears and repressed emotions so much that can stand as radiated pure love, high frequency vibration and wisdom...When a distorted individual enters in a room with this people noone has to say anything...The one with distorted feeling will feel the powerfull love..Love, vibration is quantum stuff...It transcends intelect...Actually there is no more judgement/punishement...Is just a powerfull purification and exposure to love/light frequency...The current justice system is based on punishement, judgement, critique, fear and no love at all...The schools themselves that teach justice are not teaching love first...Justice is based on human morale that is distorted.
Justice system is a Male dominant system...Economics system is a male dominated system....Church system is a male dominated system...All are very intelectualized and not based on LOVE and purity first...

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7834#msg7834)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7833#msg7833)Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things.

mystars, that is an interesting observation. One decision which will have to be made is whether the economy is the priority or the environment.

The happiness of the people can be a priority...Happiness of the people involves the enviroment automatically...Happy people in a bad breathing air are not happy...Less money in defense and redirected in other segments....This is where the old energy still has it's hands deep rooted...Can you US citizen stop the goverment from building fancy planes, aircraft carriers and stuff and redirect the money to make ALL the education system free of charge and very high quality and plenty experimental ideas ? Just an example ...US is in big debt and still build fancy ships and aircraft carriers ... is questionable

Abraham hicks on the ELection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp3z5yUbiCw

Nice picture of Trump and Hillary! Estherham is right really, it's our responsibility to make our reality and not think the government has control over that. Especially in the US, it takes a long time to get anything accomplished and I usually feel removed from whatever government is up to.

For fun: have you seen the old (2000) Simpsons episode where grown-up Lisa becomes president? She succeeds Trump, who has bankrupted the country. I don't see that happening but I thought the scenario was interesting enough: why would they 'predict' Trump as president? Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/

https://youtu.be/wd8domztpGw

Excerpt from Bruce Lipton's November newsletter:

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7851#msg7851)"The election process was analogous to removing a bandage from a traumatized wound. One can do it either very slowly and extend the pain over a period of time, or one can grit their teeth and instantly rip the bandage off. Trump's presidency will likely invoke the latter response, for his social and environmental platform will hopefully incite a complacent Millennial Generation to take action."

There's more to the quote, you can follow the link to it.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7843#msg7843)
Nice picture of Trump and Hillary! Estherham is right really, it's our responsibility to make our reality and not think the government has control over that. Especially in the US, it takes a long time to get anything accomplished and I usually feel removed from whatever government is up to.

For fun: have you seen the old (2000) Simpsons episode where grown-up Lisa becomes president? She succeeds Trump, who has bankrupted the country. I don't see that happening but I thought the scenario was interesting enough: why would they 'predict' Trump as president? Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/

https://youtu.be/wd8domztpGw

If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ? Be happy for your country that have this kind of huge oportunity.In the Theo webinar about the election Theo said that if hillary would have been elected it would have been other kind of protests and the people would have gone back in the complacency and zombie mode.Trump election brought a fast track cleansing timeline..


"Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/"


Young and the restless .... The difference is that the "restless" factor is 10 times than in the soap opera movie ....

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7860#msg7860)If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ?

What sadness?

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7863#msg7863)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7860#msg7860)If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ?

What sadness?

About Trump election.

Hmmm. Well, the election was an American Horror Story. But I voted for him. Because I'd vote for anyone over Hillary. And I've not been thrilled (ok, I've been very dissatisfied) with the current administration. I'm not strictly right or left, I'm just me, and so some elections are difficult because I'm not polarized and don't see things as black and white. 50 shades of grey. Well, no, that's a bad joke and I haven't read the book either. But I'm all about thinking rather than swallowing the bait whole.

My recents posts about the election were to share different views of both parties about the election and its results. I refuse to life any part of my life in fear and so for me it's 'full speed ahead.' I'm ready for anything.

I truly felt this election was a challenge of deciding who was the lesser of two evils. My Bruce Lipton post and a couple others were to demonstrate how even the extreme left wingers are trying to find something positive in the election results. There seems to be an uncanny agreement that this country needs to head in a new and refreshing direction.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7870#msg7870)
Hmmm. Well, the election was an American Horror Story. But I voted for him. Because I'd vote for anyone over Hillary. And I've not been thrilled (ok, I've been very dissatisfied) with the current administration. I'm not strictly right or left, I'm just me, and so some elections are difficult because I'm not polarized and don't see things as black and white. 50 shades of grey. Well, no, that's a bad joke and I haven't read the book either. But I'm all about thinking rather than swallowing the bait whole.

My recents posts about the election were to share different views of both parties about the election and its results. I refuse to life any part of my life in fear and so for me it's 'full speed ahead.' I'm ready for anything.

I truly felt this election was a challenge of deciding who was the lesser of two evils. My Bruce Lipton post and a couple others were to demonstrate how even the extreme left wingers are trying to find something positive in the election results. There seems to be an uncanny agreement that this country needs to head in a new and refreshing direction.

Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.
The neutrality feels like a move of a can for right to left.It feels neutral either way.The "wind" of the change of the position of the can doesn't move you out of balance.Or maybe the election with so many people and energies involved in consciouness made the wind very noticable.

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7872#msg7872)Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.

There's also the mass reality as well, so while I create reality as an individual I'm also a part of the whole. And while I do believe I make my own reality, I'm also not always that good at it. :)

The election was very interesting and will continue to be so. New things are coming, breaking tradition, I think.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7874#msg7874)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7872#msg7872)Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.

There's also the mass reality as well, so while I create reality as an individual I'm also a part of the whole. And while I do believe I make my own reality, I'm also not always that good at it. :)

The election was very interesting and will continue to be so. New things are coming, breaking tradition, I think.

The many different channeled material i read and heard after the election with many desperate rooted in fear aleviated my fears almost completly...I am more in a personal emptiness to say...I am melding with the enviroment...Not rooted in the past or future anymore.is just the I AM...I am present like a flower...Just there...Involved but not really involved.


Update later:
I suggest look at "Michael Moore in Trumpland." He makes some intersting points.This was aired a couple of days before election 8 november.I am not american so i can't really know all stuff specific to your country that is discussed in there.

Diana Cooper predicts a "transition to a golden age", 2012 to 2032. Since 2012 we are starting to feel "massive new energies", and these are necessary to produce change.
With Hilary Clinton we would have had "more of the same". We may not agree with Trump, but you can't deny the energy there.

https://youtu.be/6IuXrJn1upw

"There are 32 portals opening, each radiating the Christ light". This may be the coming of Christ predicted by Seth.

Understanding Unity Through a Divided Humanity (Trump Win US Presidency, Brexit, 11.11 Portal)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQtnWLluRAQ

@myststars, these are for you (and anyone else following this thread).
The second vid brought tears to my eyes.
No doubt clips that we missed from the debates... lol.
I LOVED the ending on the 2nd one!

https://youtu.be/hBnhT9FJbXk

https://youtu.be/dU7xWW86CDQ

Just in case anyone cares, lyrics are in the spoiler.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8002#msg8002)
@myststars, these are for you (and anyone else following this thread).
The second vid brought tears to my eyes.
No doubt clips that we missed from the debates... lol.
I LOVED the ending on the 2nd one!

https://youtu.be/hBnhT9FJbXk

https://youtu.be/dU7xWW86CDQ

Just in case anyone cares, lyrics are in the spoiler.

Sorry but you must log in to view spoiler contents.

My ears could sustain only half of the first clip...Is hard for me to follow the compositions from the two clips.Thanks anyway.

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8003#msg8003)My ears could sustain only half of the first clip...Is hard for me to follow the compositions from the two clips

That's too bad. It's not the words that are entertaining as much as Trump's (and Clinton's) expressions, gestures and dancing.

I have only read the blurb for this book on Amazon UK:

"The Clinton UFO Storybook: Extraterrestrial Politics in the White House" by Grant Cameron.

"Bill said he was fascinated with the subject and has talked about it many times. Hillary has said she is very interested in the UFO subject saying she doesn't believe all the witnesses could be making it up. She has gone on the record as the first high-level politician to state that aliens may already be here. She has promised to disclosure as many classified UFO files as she can on the subject if she becomes president........and the story ends talking about the box that was built by Hillary's 2016 presidential campaign chairman John Podesta to try and ensure that UFO disclosure happens."

A lot of interesting thoughts, opinions and ideas in this thread.   It is so easy to get caught up in the quagmire of daily news so I have to continually remind myself to view this from '30,000 feet' and remember that that THERE IS NO ONE ELSE OUT THERE.   

All of this talk, opinion, lies, truths, promises, facts are part of a projection, a coming together of mass consciousness around a perceived event.   All of the negative and positive stuff about all of the candidates are nothing more than expressions of our perceived values.   Every promise, fact, platform is based on a personal perception and any one of gazillions of probable perceptions and potential probable outcomes.  The white supremacist, the poor immigrant, the rich banker, the politician, the homeless vet, the bankrupt farmer--these are all expressions of my greater self in physicality and no one is more valid or right than any other. 

So if I place myself in a position to judge, deny, support, resist, be afraid of, be angry about any of it,  I not only give it energy but also I risk being sucked into the maelstrom of thoughts and realities associated with it.   It is kind of like passing a gruesome car accident on the highway.  If I stop and gawk, become afraid of what could happen if it were me there, fear for my mortality, the safety of my children, etc. etc  I can become enveloped in the drama surrounding that particular event.  And to the extent I give it power it can become just another accident or it can take over my consciousness so that I can't think about anything else. 

So with this election and its aftermath I have to remind myself that we've survived better and worse, that the pendulum swings both ways, and that ultimately I can participate in this drama and its effects to whatever extent I wish to.   Certainly it will affect my reality as an American, a non-Christian, and one with non-white grandchildren in some ways.   It will affect business, economy, women's rights, gays, immigrants, climate, ecology and every other aspect of our society and environment.  But the choices I have are the same ones I have when there is a violent storm or a blizzard.   I can participate to whatever extent I want to playing in the lightning, testing myself in the cold or I can wait it out next to my cozy fireplace, meditating and imagining a greater world, and relaxing with a good Seth book...

Chuck

From an ELIAS channeling session from 20 november 2016

"This individual is a figurehead. This individual is a catalyst that is generating a spotlight on subjects that individuals en masse don't want to look at and don't want to discuss and that are very polarized, and that individuals are divided in the direction of either-or. You agree or you disagree, you are right or you are wrong, and this individual has shown a spotlight on those divisions. "

"
In this, what I would say to you is many of these subjects that now many more of you are afraid of, that you are afraid may be being threatened, what I would say to you is first of all never allow fear to dictate to you. Move forward. Be empowered, not disempowered by fear. Recognize that everything that this individual has shown a spotlight on is an opportunity for each and every individual - in EVERY country, not merely that one - in EVERY country, to genuinely address to, to recognize all of this polarization, to stop ignoring it, to stop turning away from it and hoping that it dissipates by itself, and to begin to implement those actions of acceptance of difference, rather than being threatened by difference. Which is what you are doing; you are being threatened by difference."

" And in that, not allowing your FEELINGS - not your emotions, but your feelings - to dictate your behavior, and not allowing your media to be your source of information. Your media is biased. It is not impartial; it is not neutral; It is tremendously biased. But you allow that to dictate to you by allowing it to be your source of information. This should not be your source of information. You should be your source of information.

Action. Intuition. Involvement. Interconnection. How are you interconnected if you are hating? How are you moving in a direction to advance if you are opposing?

This is your time to shine, to be brilliant, to sparkle! This is your time to express yourselves. The door was opened. If the door was opened to the disenfranchised to express themselves in all of their fear, the door is open to everyone. "


There is more about it here:

http://www.eliasweb.org/Session.aspx?sn=201611201

mystars, interesting restrained language from Elias. What about looking at the hard realities?

Trump imposes 40 to 60% tariff on Chinese imports.
The Chinese economy collapses, and the Communist regime is under threat. The only way the regime can survive is by starting a war.
China invades Formosa. No action from Trump.
China invades South Korea. No action from Trump.
China launches nuclear strike on Japan.
Will Trump honor U.S. commitment to defend Japan?
Massive nuclear strike on major Chinese cities?
Will extraterrestrials intervene?

http://chinapower.csis.org/ssbn/

There are two choices...The limited one called "hard" reality and the other one that each of us are in the syncronicity point and create our reality...Also with all the retincecy about channeling and stuff still no mature person / adult that i asked can answer my simple question...
How college physics influence your daily life ? Is usually newtonian physics and easy answer...
But
How Quantum Physics influence your daily life ? ... Here everyone i asked is knocked out ...Quantum physics is the framework working behind everything we do every second, milisencond etc..I can't ignore it for the sake of "hard reality"..Quantum physics is beyond physical reality so beyond goverments and all this role play and political circus...I can see quantum physics in my daily life.

- When i done controlled trances in the past,
- When i haven't slept for a night or day in row and played at pc parties / lan parties you go out of body instantly because of such big tiredeness and the area where one ends is in other dimension / quantum stuff,
- now when i channel my abstract drawings and i heal with them mentaly...
- when i daydream state
- contemplation state
When the so called "mature" people will discuss the above things and integrate them as daily conversation and not from some "fancy" labs or new age groups then the structures may be trustable...Until then i let the system collapse by taking my own road and and avoiding feeding the system with fears, worry and other things like this that keep the system in place..Personally i voted for a system transformation or collapsing.I got my popcorn and wait for the new season... :)
Also the ET's are not officially acknoledged and US still spend immense sums on military toys instead of feeding their own people..In my eyes i wait the system to collapse.The "hard reality" is created by people that don't want to let go of control and primitive and rudimentary mentality...SPending on military trilion dollars is a primitive, rudimentary mentality.It feels like you have a friend in distress and try to advice him and he/she is doing the same script and not want to let go of gelosy, war like, anger and so on..The things seems to need to boil down extremely so humanity can learn.Orion drama played again on earth...I read about Orion wars and Orion so i let it play until it's done from mass consciouness..If you want to go beyond "hard reality" and see where this "hard reality" read about Orion drama and wars..After that you can decide if you want to do your own Orion energy purging or not.This is the most helpful solution that i found.I know that i was born in a military family, i played military video games, liking star wars, liking Dune and so on...All have in common Orion past energy playing in my field.In the past Orion civilization the abuse, the punishements, the opressiveness was  1milion times more than what is now in North Korea.They were much more evolved technologically and the abuse and opression was much "upgraded" than Earth.Now that i am conscious and i exposed myself consciously and intentionaly to Orion influenced material i could purge huge amount of energy and emotion from my system and i feel much much at peace even looking at military boys playing with military toys everyday doing all sorts of games, killing etc.I am at peace.My role as a piece of puzzle is to lighten up myself so i lighten up the mass conscious so i offer an example of a new state of mind and living to others...If they want to see it it's ok if not is still ok.I can't change others unless they want to change themselves...Worrying about the political situation is useless imo.The road to reach this state of consciously discovering the worring is uselless is very long road.The state of mind is very very different than the many that see "hard reality" and worriyng about...Is worth the effort.If i will die tommorow i am at peace.I've done the most important thing i can that is changing myself and cleaning deep deep stuff...This is a big homework.Trump even if it's president he didn't do his soul homework.You don't bring to the grave diplomas or mansions or list of playboy girls that you had...It doesn't matter ...  ;)

Also:
- to heal oneself ... lighten up
- to live happier ... lighten up
- to be at peace ... lighten up
- to be of help ... lighten up
- to have vital energy ... lighten up
- to have new inspiration ... lighten up
- to atract loving people .... lighten up
- to have a happier relationship .... lighten up before getting involved in the relationship OR clean your plate before going in a relationship
- to have wise decision in politics ... lighten up
and so on...

@Sena : Assuming you want try to achieve happiness in your life the worry mind with fears and anxiety can't take you there...You can't control Putin, or Trump, or China or political games but you still have to take care of your own garden.Even if tommorow Trump and the rest will be friends and acceptance and all rainbows and flowers you still have to face your deep fears, anxieties...Can't other do it for you..So even if it's nuclear war tommorow or rainbows and fairies you still have to take care of your own mind and lighten up.So if you cannot control trump, or ivanka, or putin or china and still want to be happy, healthy and satisfied with your life you atend to your mind and lighten up.Health needs a healthy mind...A healthy mind needs a lighten up so what's the point of spending energy to fight what you cannot control anyway.I know it's a mental pattern that is hard to break but it can be done..Cleaning up my mind with or without a war tommorow is for you the biggest satisfaction because it brings your being close to true happiness and peace ...The irony is that you desire peace ...This is why the worries and hard reality stuff...But desiring peace through worring and fear will not get you to peace...This is the paradox..
If the Orion stuff is too much for you or too Scifi...I recommend you to read Osho books about politics...

This is from a book...He is very direct and you will understand easily...
http://www.osho.com/read/osho/osho-on-topics/political-blindness

Also there is a free library on the oficial site above where are 220 complete books of his in english you can read for free.The only requirement you have to make a free acount..


Trump even if it's president now he haven't found happiness so what's next ? Becoming a global leader over all countries and conquering everyone ? He is addicted to the ilusion of power.

Here is a book from Osho that might interst you that i am reading...Power politics and change...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004L2LG5G/?tag=oshocom-20

I very much enjoyed both of your posts myststars.
lots of good stuff.
thank you for posting it.

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8505#msg8505)Assuming you want try to achieve happiness in your life the worry mind with fears and anxiety can't take you there

myststars, facing reality does not necessarily mean fear and anxiety. It is possible to face the darkest realities and yet be philosophical about them.
Thomas Mann wrote great literature about both world wars:
The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg) - first war
  Doctor Faustus - second war
What I described in my previous post is, in Sethian terms, one probable reality. The human race has the freedom to choose a very different probable reality.
Seth's teachings are different to touchy feely New Age stuff.

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8503#msg8503)
mystars, interesting restrained language from Elias. What about looking at the hard realities?

Trump imposes 40 to 60% tariff on Chinese imports.
The Chinese economy collapses, and the Communist regime is under threat. The only way the regime can survive is by starting a war.
China invades Formosa. No action from Trump.
China invades South Korea. No action from Trump.
China launches nuclear strike on Japan.
Will Trump honor U.S. commitment to defend Japan?
Massive nuclear strike on major Chinese cities?
Will extraterrestrials intervene?

http://chinapower.csis.org/ssbn/

Those are things about security and defense.Ask your mind why those phrases after reading Elias stuff ? Why not others ?
You cannot confront what you can't control.Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control.it involves multiple people that make their decisions that are beyond your control.

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8508#msg8508)Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control

There are many possibilities for what consensus the human race will agree on during the next 3 to 4 years. Seth on consensus:

http://tinyurl.com/zqb22tv

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8509#msg8509)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8508#msg8508)Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control

There are many possibilities for what consensus the human race will agree on during the next 3 to 4 years. Seth on consensus:

http://tinyurl.com/zqb22tv

The human race is faar from consensus.There is this bully and conflict addiction and blame still powerfull.Until one side begin to look at his own garden and US is an example now waking up more after Trump election.Trump election was like a ringing alarm from a watch in the morning.They have to look at their own garden and their own problems that they ignored at collective and individual level.This realization will be a begining of consensus.China and others the same boat..Still many many people in each country don't want to feel the pains, emotions burried under.They want to avoid suffering by avoiding truth in themselves...This avoidance is making countries bully each other.Also the political landscape is filled with males and males are prone to avoid emotions by stamping them as weakness they still resort to a dysfunctional "Logic and reason" aproach...This will get them to argue and argue and still argue and bring reasons why the other is bad or imorale and so on.Male tend to  intelectualize everything just to avoid using the "weak" emotions..Until this loop is broken somehow buy yourself plenty of popcorn to keep yourself for many seasons of this humanity show soap opera... Intelectulizing male population/politics make the change in humanity painfully long... You can't change those political/intelectual males that are so stuborn... :)

Quote from: myststars (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8510#msg8510)Still many many people in each country don't want to feel the pains, emotions burried under.They want to avoid suffering by avoiding truth in themselves...This avoidance is making countries bully each other.

I think this is true. This has been going on for maybe 10,000 years, but that is a short time in the history of the Multiverse.

The Early Sessions 8,  Session 335, April 17, 1967 

"I am speaking in highly practical terms. Your expectations literally create your life as you know it."

I almost never discuss politics OR religion. I may regret doing so now. But I feel this recent election reaction is completely out of control. While I have always voted because I feel it's my duty, I've also felt that my vote was just a drop in the ocean. As Elias said, I've never felt who was in office had that much impact on my personal life.

The press has always been biased. Something Elias also recognizes. But, while Elias also said that less than 20% of the population voted for Trump, I suggest you take a look at this map created by a supposedly independent data seeking group. The red represents votes for Trump, blue for Clinton. I read a very good, seemingly unbiased article, about how and why Trump won. It makes sense to me. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/20/how_trump_won_--_conclusions_132846.html

I have lived in this country all of my life. I was born into, grew up in, poverty level and my life has constantly improved. If my parents were still alive, they would think I was rich. So, regardless of who ran this country during my lifetime, my life has always improved.

Trump said "America first," which has offended many. My first thought is, "he's the President of America, who else is he going to put first?" Has any country leader said they would make other countries a priority over their own? Why is that interpreted as a threat? I've heard complaints from citizens of other countries that consider America imperialistic, the World Police, criticized for ego and thinking we have a right to stick our noses, without invitation, into other countries' business. We now have a President who says no more of that, let's just try to fix things at home. Once again we are criticized. A new slogan, "America: Damned if you do/Damned if you don't."

My vision of the next 4 years is unburdened by fear and doubt. Optimistic. Why? Why not? Why envision failure, hatred, prejudice, wars, disaster? Do I not make my own reality? Do my expectations not dictate what I will experience?

My version of the future is: Trump will fix what is wrong in America, and as a result the rest of the world will benefit.

I feel this live chanelling recorded 2 days ago is perfect for this moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLPmXWE1Wbw


Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/7akuOFp-ET8

August 28, 1963

"I told you that we do not experience your time sequence. We travel through various
intensities. Our work, development, and experience all takes place within what I term the "moment point." Here, within the moment
point, the smallest thought is brought to fruition, the slightest possibility explored, the
probabilities thoroughly examined, the least or the most forceful feeling entertained. It
is difficult to explain this clearly, and yet the moment point is the framework within
which we have our psychological experience. Within it, simultaneous actions follow
"freely" through associative patterns. For example, pretend that I think of you, Joseph.
In so doing I immediately experience - and fully - your past, present, and future (in your
terms) , and all of those strong or determining emotions and motivations that have ruled
you." (Seth Speaks)

From a Sethian point of view, nothing has changed with this election (other than bringing the problem of polarization a little more out in the open) because none of the underlying beliefs that are creating the problems have changed.  So even though there may appear to be visible changes being made, they will only be surface changes.  Putting a different party in charge just shifts the flow of government benefits toward a different group of people at the expense of other groups of people.  Extreme polarization creates an even stronger swinging back and forth motion between the two sides that feels like real change, but it's only an illusion.  Unless we figure out how to resolve our conflicts and create a new framework of more constructive beliefs, "solving" any one specific problem will simply create a bunch of new problems elsewhere.

A second important point is government is not a business.  Government does not have the same purposes and goals that a business has.  It doesn't even have the same structure or the same type of power, at least not in a democracy.  So electing a businessman who intends to use business principles to run a government doesn't make sense to me.  It's a little bit like thinking if you fertilize and regularly water a group of dogs and cats that they'll grow like plants would and produce fruits and vegetables.  Instead, all you end up with is a bunch of smelly dogs and angry cats.  If people want to elect an "outsider" in the hope that a fresh perspective would help, choosing someone who has successfully run a nondenominational charitable organization seems more logical because there are at least a few similarities to government in both its goals and the way it functions.

Trump imo will "fix" the US problems indirectly...He will take so many controversial decision that will hit a button in the people.The people will express their anger and dissapointed and that energy that was repressed in them will begin to flow in some way or another.The angry people will change because the energy will be released and they will be released.Many people will have a realization after the anger/repressed energy will evacuate their bodies and emotional bodies....Obama couldn't do this so directly and bold.Imo an angry male has no solutions to the problems imo.He launch his desires from an anger foundation.He won the campaign with an angry atitude and using mass anger.

Quote from: Dandelion (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8528#msg8528)So electing a businessman who intends to use business principles to run a government doesn't make sense to me.

The problem that the electorate faced was that the alternative to Trump, Hilary Clinton, would have served up "more of the same", and would have been unlikely to achieve very much at all. Politics would have been so boring with Clinton.

Inauguration Day: A bad lip reading of Donald Trump's Inauguration
(funny)

https://youtu.be/gneBUA39mnI

will watch later, can't wait.
I saw a couple from the debates. truly incredibly hilarious.

Well ....
Seems my goverment got the courage and balls and maybe have sought that if US elected a president that gives controversial laws then they can too so here you have something in my country ...

http://www.euronews.com/2017/01/30/romanians-protest-against-government-emergency-decrees

The current goverment want to give a law that cut the penalty in prison and will free some corrupted persons.

How comic and funny is this ... :)

Yeesh.

While I doubt the US election had anything to do with these shenanigans (it's obvious who's pushing for these emergency decrees), power corrupts.

I found it bit disturbing that Romania's President Klaus Iohannis "took part in protests a few days ago, has joined in the criticism and wants a nationwide referendum to step up the anti-corruption fight." The idea that the president himself has to join in the protest makes me wonder who's in charge.  :o

It will be interesting to see how this ends up.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/01/31/us-acting-attorney-general-sally-yates-defies-trump-travel-ban-saying-not

Well ...

"Look coming into this country is still a privilege, we're the greatest country on earth. And being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right, and it is our duty and it is the president's goal to make sure that everybody who comes into this country to the best of our ability is here because they want to enjoy this country and come in peacefully."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-mocks-trump-but-has-barred-immigrants-many-muslim-6-times/article/2594016

Continuing the soap opera story from my country yesterday (31.01.2017) afternoon my fellow politicians voted ...

http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/01/romania-decriminalises-some-graft-offences


This is the most primitive mentality goverment in the past years.We pass a threshold of darkness...I can say that parts of me were in illusion.When i saw this news in the morning (01.02.2017) parts me were depressed.I consider an oportunity for healing some parts of me.I feel so peaceful and pleased that i took this trajectory for my life with healing emotions and evolving myself as top priority.The create my own reality is much deeper impregnated in my  cells now after the goverment vote.

I am truly sorry.
A giant step backwards for your country.

I am not sorry really and don't be...The old generation don't want change and lie to themselves to just keep an old system in place...Keeping the old system in place also keep in place the old wounds so what is happening in my country now is a culmination of the mentality that was prelevant in my country "I can do it because i can and citizen are stupid and zombie"...This is how they won the election in the first place.The people that voted them are old generation like pension people for example.If the "gang" that want be elected give them something like raise of pension with 5% they will vote the gang...Is a prevalent story..This time they gone a step further and showed the real face behind the mask.Until now it was just "minor" and a  bit "superficial" things so people were more or less accustomed or used to very much..This time they took things to the extreme much further in polarization of negative...This kind of leaders from this gamg named (PSD) are very very old school and old energy and primitive mentality..His gang was elected so he felt the citizen is still accepting "old school" mentality and manipulations and control so they felt to do something more extreme...They had the ilusion that people will just shut up like in old times...So really this is a proof of a "battle" between new and old.This to clean up needs to clean up from mass consciouness.How you clean up from a mass consciouness that refuse to to clean.The old people most don't want to look in themselves or if they look they are too old in age.Is just survival, fear and emotional misery...Until this is cleared from mass consciouness people may still vote phantoms from past like they voted this time (PSD gang)...Very Orion stuff...All middle east is a direct Orion stuff again...Many many people still ignore the emotional side of them and "fight" the goverment and stuff..Big ilusion.
With past wounds unsolved one's vote is for past leaders...Law of atraction.Unless one solve the past wounds he/she is stuck meeting "past" people that reflect his/her wounds.
I forgot to say there is a law in our constitution that says if a political "gang" like PSD will endanger the very foundation of a democratic state with his laws it can brought in front of justice and dismantled.There are big chance for this to happen and if this political "gang" will disappear this will be huge transformation for my country...People that voted by inertia this political suddenly will be shaken and this means transformation and a chance for a dinasoar structure to be put to rest.Some people may disapear from political scene when this political gang sinks.It will be like a reborn and restructure of the political scene.

Adronis on Trump presidency


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zPsGsT51ko&list=PL2jym7tTKe78tl-4KF6So2NAFSlb2_g1d&index=23


very positive overview.

"Lucy! 'Splain yourself!"

You ask a lot of self-challenging questions. Bravo!

I'm am not a very politically involved person. My overall experience has been that while US presidents come, and US presidents go, my life is far enough removed that it affects me only a little. And not often. But I view and respect others' involvement and beliefs. To each his own.

I sometimes listen to the news. With fresh ears. My approach is both critical and skeptical. I refuse to be told what to believe, resist what I'm am told to do. Or cannot do (I consider THAT inspiration).

This whole last election was amusing to me, not being sure who was going to win, while also being open to something new. The final result was very surprising, but not in any way frightening or threatening. I'm only curious.

My question is regarding this:

"Your expectations literally create your life as you know it."

What were you expressing here? Was it pertaining to myststars's commentary on his country's decision to re-legalize corruption, or my comment to him?  I don't understand.

I may be critical and skeptical, but can also be dense. :).

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8793#msg8793)What kind of President Trump do you want?

I made it through a minute of the video. I suppose I should go back and try to finish. I will. And I will edit this post if something new strikes me.

The woman reading her fear list turned me off when she said she wanted Trump dead, after talking about all the anti-compassionate, anti-human rights traits she says he has. I've heard many anti-Trump people say the same types of things:  I hope he dies, he should be dead, someone should kill him. That is so hypocritical to me. Basically, "we want a kinder/gentler person in office, he could kill people, let's kill him." I honestly don't understand where these deep-seated fears are coming from. Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't have the same fears. Sure Trump holds little or nothing back, puts his foot in his mouth quite often, has said things that are definitely bigoted. But to say he's going to bring back concentration camps and start WWIII seems extreme to me.

A friend recently told me that when Trump was elected, psychiatrists experienced a huge upsurge in anti-anxiety prescriptions. Some people were afraid to leave their homes. Schools are offering counseling services to students and staff traumatized over the election. Schools were closed on election day due to fears about violence around the election. I have a hard time comprehending all of that, since I was not far removed from the Columbine Massacre, 911, etc. and have to put things into perspective.

Why are so many people so fearful (of so many things)? Why concentrate so hard on what can go wrong, rather than hope for the best, which is so much more favorable and just as easy?

"Trump and his supporters are possibly the bringers of internment camps, concentration camps, or even armageddon." Sounds like Satan is alive and well in a lot of minds.

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8793#msg8793)here is an old saying "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Is that something we do?

Apparently not. Or maybe so... in that we can't love our neighbor until we love ourselves. Or trust others if we don't trust ourselves. And "living in a safe universe" is out of the question if there is no trust that the Universe, All That Is, Source is benign and supportive.

You do get what you concentrate upon.

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8793#msg8793)What if taking care of our own wonderful individuated selves IS taking care of the entire country?

That makes sense to me.
Seth has said we should try to pitch in when we can, and I think that old saying that "charity begins at home" is fairly accurate. Being willing to help others is a great trait and gesture. It becomes interference when the gesture is not requested, appreciated or accepted. We need to be mindful and not try to force our perceptions or beliefs on others. But I really think people need to start thinking independently and stop blindly following what is said by media and others. Critical thinking is a gift that we all need to appreciate and use.

PS
Okay I'm almost through the entire video, and Byron Katie has just won herself a fan. This woman is a pro at cutting to the quick. Brilliant. Thank you for that.

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Why are so many people so fearful (of so many things)? Why concentrate so hard on what can go wrong, rather than hope for the best, which is so much more favorable and just as easy?

I am not advertising this session for profit in some way or another but to emphasize some things.The session is "special" for the trump election but the  little description itself contain some key words that are relevant here...I bought this session myself and is presented from a very very high universe point of view..I can't gift the session to this forum...It would have been a very nice listening for many fearful americans.Some channelers made the sessions related to Trump free of charge..


#284 The Pendulum Swings.  November 10, 2016, Tokyo, Japan. (Germane). In English with Japanese Translation.  After the tumultuous US election, Germane discusses polarity dynamics in a transitioning civilization and what we can expect, with brand new information and teachings; How to navigate the chaos and what a reflective reality really means. He offers several models to more deeply understand these polarity dynamics and discusses how to best use the challenges to awaken ourselves using the Galactic Heritage Card teachings. He also discusses consciousness as an expression of the fractal and how to work with this conceptual information in a practical way in our daily lives. The session is enhanced by wonderful audience questions. If you love metaphysics and seeing a bigger picture, you will enjoy this recording.

http://www.lyssaroyal.net/mp3-audio-downloads.html

Also i am a big picture learner...This is one of the reason this materials fit for me...

Also to give my personal opinion to your question.The fear of survival activated en masse with the Trump election.Maybe 911 activated also this kind of fear ? You tell me.People now are forced to face this fear of survival.The biggest national challenge is deaing with inner fear of survival.Many many people haven't learned to deal with this.Schools haven't teached them, parents not really and society just consider this part of day to day "business" and control...The paradox is many of us are manipulated and controlled because of this fear.Many of us stay in jobs that don't fit with us and stay in emotional misery and unhappiness because this fear.Now i do feel the emotional teachers and psychologyst and people that may be able to assist will be invaluable and maybe critical.The culture with fear dealing may rise.On the long term the anti-psychotics will not work so much so people may be forced to deal with the fear of survival in a more natural way.The paradox is if US and global citizens were in slavery by using this fear against them by some ...groups... what Trump's comming done is that he forced this "dealing" with the fear of survival put in the open...Either people learn to deal witht this fear or die or get mentally sick...The irony is that whoever learn to deal with this and transcend it can't be manipulated, controlled and will be the new human that will change the earth...The .... groups .... can't manipulate those individuals that transceded the deepest fear of all imo...The used this fear to manipulate en masse...Forcing dealing with the fear of survival may be the biggest gift that Trump can offer to US citizens...I know it will be hard to see it like a gift...

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8827#msg8827)May I ask, what your belief in the world was at the time you found this news article?

Well I'm not sure if it was "beneficial in any leading anyone back to their true Self". While this is a Seth forum, we also have discussions that are casual, conversational, not always on the straight and narrow but usually getting to the destination. Why, do you feel it was a harmful link to put up? I just want to know where you're coming from.

Let me tell you why I put that up. It was because of reactions all around the world (yes, even here on the forum) with fearful forecasts of what Trump is going to 'do' to the world (not just the USA). Concentration camps. Blast women's rights back into the Stone Age. Reverse Roe v. Wade. Boot all 'foreigners' out of the country. Regress gay rights. Ethnic rights. Start the final World War. Destroy the planet. I'm not even sure I've heard it all, because I really don't enjoy politics AT ALL. And I've been really caught off-guard with all of the hysteria around the election, AROUND THE WORLD. While it doesn't upset me, I find it very interesting and surprising. I didn't see it coming, and figure it will settle down after a while. Maybe the world-wide reaction is a good thing, it has certainly created some sort of international unity for people.

So, I've always been a bit of a fact checker. While I'm open to listening to others' opinions, I don't automatically believe everything that I hear (well, unless it's on Facebook, I know that's all real :) ). I've heard it mentioned (maybe here, or if not that seemed to be where this topic was going, see https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8554) and being inflated in the news, that Trump's temporary travel ban is outrageous, bigoted, and once again likened to Hitler and his ethnic cleansing processes. It was being made to sound like Trump invented the concept and was the only president to do so. Which jogged my memory. So I did a search to find out how many recent US presidents utilized travel bans. My intention with posting that link was a gentle "check your premises" and a response to the post. So maybe yes, it was in some way meant to bring someone back to their true Self, meaning: seek the truth and draw your own conclusions from what you find. I didn't expound because I felt myststars would catch my drift.

My world view at the time of that post was the same as it is right now. We are the world. The world is a living thing. Not just the people and the animals and the natural resources: we exist on a living planet. One that is always changing, growing and balancing itself. Most people are just people, connected, with similar needs and habits: trying to live a good life. My solitary travel to a "scary" country this last summer sealed that deal for me. I love humanity. I love this planet.

There are some that are out of balance and end up harming others because they are... out of balance. But because of my beliefs in Seth's teaching, it is a cooperative venture. Some parts of the planet may be less in balance than others, constantly warring, genocide, it may have to do with Seth's coordinate points. IDK. I choose not to live in fear. I try not to make to decisions based on fear. I do not feel threatened. But having grown up street-smart, I tend to be aware in my circumstances. Not guarded, as much as being awake. In the moment.

Did I answer your question?

Your input?

BTW I spent some time tonight listening to more Byron Katie. Nice. AND I bought a used copy of the A Course In Miracles Set. I've been hearing about it since I started this forum, maybe even before that. For the final price (less than $3 with my Amazon credit points), I figured it was meant to be. I tend to be a book whore. Ooops, did I say that?

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8834#msg8834)That was a well thought out answer. You are running the forum and even in our off Seth topic chats we really are not ever off the Seth Teaching - ever not a day. So, I was just making sure for my own self, I am where I want to be. Know what I mean?

I was more or less doing a premises check on where I signed up lol

Understandable! Thanks for making me think out my answer. Sometimes I get tired of listening to myself (I can go on and on when I write) so force myself to keep things short occasionally.

Thanks for the heads-up on Thriftbooks!

Quote from: strangerthings (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8837#msg8837)What would life be like if no one took part of the reading or surfing of news?
Who would the parts of self confess all this non sense to? Its just theater!

I guess we'd end up talking with our neighbors more. And gossiping to make our own news. It's almost an addiction with some people, I see them constantly checking their phone every time "breaking news" dings in a new article. I really don't ever watch the news any more and in the old days I would unsubscribe from newspaper delivery about once a year, just couldn't take all the negativity. I now have zero patience for commercials and have cut down even listening to the radio because it's become unbearable.

Just heard this glowing radio commercial this morning about all the wonderful new drugs Pharma is researching to fix our bodies. It was very heart-warming. Kind of like that Monsanto commercial a couple years back of the family having Thanksgiving dinner. I almost had a stroke.

Some group dissected it:

https://youtu.be/v9ESkHmvzms

https://youtu.be/Z90TVwyOJjQ

Good to see democracy in action.

Decisive action by Trump:

https://youtu.be/yGYZHtfJEYg

"The UK government says it "fully supports" the US missile strike against an air base in Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack.
A No 10 spokeswoman said: "We believe [it] was an appropriate response to the barbaric chemical weapons attack launched by the Syrian regime, and is intended to deter further attacks.""

Unwise responses ... And those responses get borring and borring and solve nothing ...

"Mr Trump is also yet to make any public comments about the movement of the US warships, but his Syrian missile strike is being interpreted as a warning to North Korea.
The President's chief national security adviser, HR McMaster, said the Korean strategy was aimed to give the President a "full range of options to remove that threat to the American people and to our allies and partners in the region".
General McMaster said North Korea was "a rogue regime that is now a nuclear capable regime".
"What must happen is the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula," General McMaster told Fox News Sunday."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/tensions-at-tipping-point-why-donald-trump-had-to-act-on-north-korea-now/news-story/af8e0c30f9f21f6c6e45fdde868305be

" Of greater concern, this all must be viewed as part of a Trumpian learning curve, whereby the president is gaining experience with—and evident satisfaction in—using military force against those weaker than us. This is an impulse that will not be fulfilled by the single-salvo strike against Syria alone—there will be a third, a fourth, and successive steps up the ladder of escalation."
" What might those next steps look like? The most likely scenarios are preemptive military strikes against North Korea and/or Iran. Indeed, Trump had no sooner finished giving the order to attack Syria on Thursday night than he was hinting to President Xi Jinping of China—then at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for a dinner with the president—that North Korea could be next on this list of US targets if it did not cease its pursuit of nuclear-armed intercontinental ballistic missiles."

https://www.thenation.com/article/in-trumps-cruise-missile-diplomacy-iran-and-north-korea-could-be-next/

As a serious long-term student of Seth, I have had quite a time dealing with the meaning of the Trump presidency. I personally find him repulsive, was shocked when he won, and continue to be amazed that, given his chaotic presidency, he still has so much support. I would have expected more buyer's remorse from his base by now. But after the initial shock, I found that I was also feeling inexplicably euphoric. In asking myself what this was about, I got in touch with the fact that the eight years of seething hatred directed toward the uppity black guy was not going to be transferred to the uppity woman. If Clinton had won, she would have had the same frustrations getting anything done that Obama had. Now, we have created "en masse" a condition in which many who have been asleep have woken up and many who have been passionately opposing progressive movements get a change in perspective. Now that the opposing side has the reigns, they get a taste of their own medicine. Oddly, opposition to Trump is largely from within, not only from the Freedom Caucus, but also from moderate Republicans. This is not to mention that Trump seems to be his own worst enemy, tweeting and stumbling through his first 100 days as a petulant, angry child with dangerous toys. So assuming we get through the next few years without serious setbacks, I believe we will see an unblocking of progress and effective passionate progressive activism that would not have happened with a Hillary presidency.

The Trump presidency is also for me an opportunity to continue to practice loving those with whom I disagree. I have always loved my right-wing friends and relatives, and I will practice at loving Donald Trump. All of my meat-space Sethian friends (or at least those who have shared their views) have a real problem with Trump. I tell them what I have said above. Trump just wants to be loved. He is not evil. As Seth says, a seed is not evil just because it is not yet a flower. 

Quote from: LarryH (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=9121#msg9121)But after the initial shock, I found that I was also feeling inexplicably euphoric.

I have to say I can relate. For me, it's like we are in for some big changes, maybe the 'ride' of a lifetime. Whatever this administration ends up as, it can be a real opportunity for people to see obvious, fast and hard evidence of how we make our reality. Trump is shaking things up and whether for the better or worse, it is up to us, yes en masse. It's an opportunity. Or it can be.  

Oh, to revive an old topic is — a little bit of a thrill.

Thanks to @transient amnesia's link to a Dolores Cannon post yesterday, my investigating turned up this blog post. I found it incredibly interesting on a few levels. Maybe deserving of a new topic, "The Trump Personality" ? Lol. How hysterical would THAT be if HE was the return of the Christ personality that Seth talked about?

https://www.qhhtofficial.com/qhht-session/trumps-role-in-the-ascension

I also found interesting the mention of nuclear war, considering what's been in the news lately.

Thanks @myststars for starting this topic. Who knew where this would go?

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You are welcome both of you ... Anyway at least two channelers (Sheila Gillete and Brad Johnson) confirmed that Trump is a piece of puzzle benevolent for this time frame.Hard to believe i know.One of the purpose is to get the mass collective angry so they have to transcend the anger.Otherwise the mass majority wouldn't look at their angers.This is just one point.

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Well if you read the Shining the light series from Robert Shapiro it describes many things up to 2000.You may understand much deeper what Adronis is talking about.Also you can look at David Wilcock on Gaia.He's not channeling but he pull material from all over the place.

I came across this opinion (https://www.rt.com/op-edge/415827-trump-haiti-africa-countries/) today, and while it was painful to read ( is America the only country in the world that has safety concerns represented as biases? ), I thought there were some good points brought up. Once again, Trump is being presented as someone who can expose national tendencies that have been glossed over in the past. The crux of the article:

"Too many of Trump's critics are wearing rose-tinted glasses about the good ol'days before big bad Trump came along and ruined everything. That's why they so easily erupt into outrage over the word s***hole but fail to see decades of imperialist and racist foreign policy as problematic.

"Yes, Trump made a vulgar comment. But the real difference between him and the presidents who have come before him is that he is willing to rip off the mask of decency and reveal the truly ugly face of American leadership that lies beneath it. If nothing else, the world should thank him for that."

With Trump, there are no filters. He appears to be an open book. Who would prefer political correctness and euphemisms to the ugly truth of his (or anyone's) core beliefs and attitudes?

Yes, I have said in the past that Trump would serve to accelerate society's confrontation of its negative aspects and come out better eventually. I think the MeToo movement is one example, though it took awhile after the Billy Bush interview exposure to gain traction through many more examples of sexual exploitation, not just from Trump.

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=10663#msg10663)
Who would prefer political correctness and euphemisms to the ugly truth?

I would take issue with one way that that comment could be taken. Trump's relationship to facts is so disfunctional that I would not call what he says "truth", ugly or not. But what I think you mean is that his opinions on just about everything reflect the ugly beliefs of the darkest parts of our society. As uncomfortable as that is, it is a step for society to openly deal with it.

Quote from: LarryH (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=10665#msg10665)
I would take issue with one way that that comment could be taken.

Yes, I agree, I'll change my wording to clarify what I meant -- which was in response to this: "the real difference between him and the presidents who have come before him is that he is willing to rip off the mask of decency and reveal the truly ugly face of American leadership that lies beneath it." Trump's tweets reveal his underlying beliefs and attitudes. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he represents the attitudes all of our leaders, past and present, but some things are coming to the surface like never before. He certainly is different. And if anything, I feel he is a catalyst for change.

Here's an uncharacteristic report from CNN about Democrats turned Republican in a town in Ohio. Of course these folks are only concentrating on economics:

https://youtu.be/eimrJHhrNPA

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Inauguration Day: A bad lip reading

Thank you Deb,
This vid gave me sore sides and tears of laughter.


And it is obvious, Seth's teachings are strong within you...

"My vision of the next 4 years is unburdened by fear and doubt. Optimistic. Why? Why not? Why envision failure, hatred, prejudice, wars, disaster? Do I not make my own reality? Do my expectations not dictate what I will experience?

My version of the future is: Trump will fix what is wrong in America, and as a result the rest of the world will benefit."

Trump is a mason and his family crest fists the "spear" that symbolically pierced the side of Jesus.  But that didn't happen, did it.  It is the story they made and they preach to fabricate fake-prophesy.  But like you sense, it will play it's role in many probabilities...
Seth said, be selective in what you believe and desire and what you concentrate upon in this magical multidimensional world where you have your personal universe revolving around your personal experiences.  All have their places and their purposes.
Thanks

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8539#msg8539)
A bad lip reading

OK, I had hoped this was also a case of parody in the form of bad lip reading.

https://youtu.be/3DbE2SmV2bs

Quote from: Deb (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=7776#msg7776)
That's precisely where we are here! Earth is the kindergarten of spiritual enlightenment. Some people learn, some don't.

Oh my gosh Deb, I'm just revisiting this thread and this observation just jumped off the screen at me. And not just spiritual development, I can see the lack of self-awareness in lots of people, mirroring, I suppose, my own lack of self-awareness (although, I have felt it has been getting a bit better over the last few years).

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my own lack of self-awareness (although, I have felt it has been getting a bit better over the last few years).

Wren, good to know that you are going in the right direction.

Thank you Wren. I too see a lack of awareness, a lack of questioning, a blind acceptance of what we are fed from various sources. Somehow, at some point in my life (and I don't know how or why), I decided to question everything. Not from a level of distrust, but for more information so I could make informed decisions.

Ooohhhh aaaahhhhh   .....rabbit holes
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Counter parts.

I saw the funniest meme the other day

"Wake me up at Zeta"

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@chasman

I like what Seth says in a cd....dunno which

"We make light from darkness."
So in line with that! Yups

One of these days I will remember which cd 🙄

Quote from: Sena (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=19857#msg19857)
Wren, good to know that you are going in the right direction.

Thank you Sena, I feel it's one area of my life that improved a little and I am making progress. Can't speak much for the other areas!  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn-h78tuNiU