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Books/Articles by Other Authors / Re: The fine line between delu...
Last post by inavalan - June 27, 2022, 01:03:03 AM
Anyway, be worried if you are sure you know the truth! In any domain, not only the "spiritual".
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Books/Articles by Other Authors / The fine line between delusion...
Last post by inavalan - June 27, 2022, 12:35:15 AM
I just read a paper analyzing data of a survey on people who experienced some kind of persistent forms of nondual awareness, enlightenment, mystical experience, and so forth (Persistent Non-Symbolic Experience).

The paper is overall informative, but the attached quote made me wonder about delusion vs. creating one's reality.

The author mentions here, and elsewhere in his article, significant discrepancies between some subjects' self-assessments vs. the way they were perceived by the author and his colleagues.

Are these discrepant self-assessments delusional? If what the subject perceives to be is different from others' perceptions, is that a delusion or a valid alternate reality.

Are such situations desirable or acceptable, or they signal psychological problems?

Basically, where do you draw the line when one's strong beliefs (truths, as they are unconscious beliefs) become delusions and are detrimental?

At this time, I don't have an answer.
 
 
QuoteStress and PNSE  (persistent non-symbolic experiences)

As mentioned, some individuals reported that stressful life events caused them to lose their PNSE. The first hint of this was a woman who stated she lost her PNSE of 5 years at a time when her father had just died, her son was ill and unlikely to survive, and her husband of many years had left her. When asked about her internal state during this period, she stated that it was her usual equanimity until she lost the experience of PNSE. After several more of these types of reports the project began asking about life circumstances participants were kept in touch with, in part to look for stressful situations.

There were three times when it seemed like a participant's stress level might have been high enough to warrant a follow-up visit. The project's very first participant was one of these individuals. I had known this participant for over 20 years, since long before his transition to PNSE. He was a healthy, retired medical doctor in his 60's who was in Location 2.

Over the course of a week, his father died followed very rapidly by his sister. He was also going through a significant issue with one of his children. Over dinner I asked him about his internal state, which he reported as deeply peaceful and positive despite everything that was happening. Having known that the participant was bringing his longtime girlfriend, I had taken an associate researcher with me to the meeting to independently collect her observations. My fellow researcher isolated the participant's girlfriend at the bar and interviewed her about any signs of stress that the participant might be exhibiting. I casually asked the same questions to the participant as we continued our dinner conversation. Their answers could not have been more different. While the participant reported no stress, his partner had been observing many telltale signs: he was not sleeping well, his appetite was off, his mood was noticeably different, his muscles were much tenser than normal, his sex drive was reduced, his health was suffering, and so forth. None of these were being noted by the participant, even though he was professionally trained to identify them. The same was observed in the other two participants.


From: "Clusters of Individuals Experiences form a Continuum of Persistent Non-Symbolic Experiences in Adults"

by Jeffery A. Martin, Center for the Study of Non-Symbolic Consciousness

https://digitalcommons.ciis.edu/conscjournal/vol8/iss8/1/
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#24
Seth Related Questions / Explanations / Re: Seth on abortion
Last post by inavalan - June 24, 2022, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: Deb on June 24, 2022, 06:44:17 PM...
I think, as usual, it all comes down to beliefs, perceptions and intent. While in the material world, particularly with today's event, people (in the US especially) are taking sides and reacting strongly. Without the benefit afforded to us of Seth's objectivity.

I think that today's ruling isn't about abortion, but about how democracy is applied. Surely, the talking heads will try to mislead, and the masses will oblige.
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Comic Relief & Entertainment / Re: If you don't get it, it do...
Last post by Deb - June 24, 2022, 06:46:32 PM
OK, at the risk of being crude (I don't care about that at the moment), that reminded me of this joke:

An old woman visits the doctor for a routine check-up.
"Doctor, I have constant gas, but the farts are always silent and they don't stink!"
The doctor prescribes her some pills and sends her on her way.
Two weeks later she returns for a follow-up.
"Doctor, I still have constant silent farts, but now they stink!"
Doctor replies, "Alright, so we have cleared out those sinuses, now for your hearing..."
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Seth Related Questions / Explanations / Re: Seth on abortion
Last post by Deb - June 24, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
This topic has been tossed around in a few Seth arenas. Even here. Such as https://speakingofseth.com/index.php/topic=1549

It's a subject that has always been a little confusing for me. Seth talks about how some souls just want to experience time in the womb and so choose to end their "lives" one way or another once that phase is done. He also talks about how people cannot really kill because death is not real, but it's the intention to kill that's the problem. He talks about violations... overpopulation being one, and harming another being even in self-defense, is also one. I haven't yet seen him go into detail as to the ramifications of violations. Maybe none, really, since there is no karma in action, only the need for the entity to experience every aspect of existence.

I've known some women that use abortion as a birth control method, having had many abortions, which I imagine would be taxing for the body not to mention suffering a physically grueling procedure. They don't see an embryo or fetus as being a living being, so do not really intend to "kill." They merely feel they are removing an unwanted inconvenience.

Quote from: ECS2 on June 22, 2022, 05:02:28 PMIf you believe that abortion is evil and have one—it will be an evil. It is not basically evil, but that makes little difference to you if you believe that it is.

That entire first quote from ESC2 is very informative. As typical, no judgment from Seth's perspective.

I think, as usual, it all comes down to beliefs, perceptions and intent. While in the material world, particularly with today's event, people (in the US especially) are taking sides and reacting strongly. Without the benefit afforded to us of Seth's objectivity.



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Seth Related Questions / Explanations / Re: Seth on abortion
Last post by inavalan - June 24, 2022, 12:06:48 PM
This thread was timely ...
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Last post by inavalan - June 24, 2022, 12:04:57 PM
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Last post by inavalan - June 24, 2022, 12:40:55 AM
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"... Let him imagine himself performing varied vigorous activities until he is nearly exhausted, and then imagine the ensuing deep relaxation."
—TPS1 Session 379 (Deleted) November 13, 1967