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Sleep, Dreams, OBEs, Altered States / Re: Synchronistic Events
« Last post by Deb on October 12, 2018, 09:31:22 AM »
Quote from: jbseth
Yesterday I was looking for something that Jane had said in the book, “The Way Toward Health” and when I opened this book to the very first page, I saw the quotes from various people (Deepak Chopra, Louise Hay, etc.) giving phrase to the Seth information. Along with this, at the bottom of this first page is the following quote.

“To my great surprise – and slight annoyance – I found that Seth eloquently and lucidly articulated a view of reality that I had arrived at only after great effort and an extensive study of both paranormal phenomena and quantum physics….”

- Michael Talbot
  Author of The Holographic Universe and Beyond the Quantum

Sorry this is late, I'm still catching up, but I thought you'd get a kick out of this:

Quote from: DebT
The late amateur physicist Michael Talbot wrote,

"To my surprise--and slight annoyance--I found that Seth eloquently and lucidly articulated a view of reality that I had arrived at only after great effort and an extensive study of both paranormal phenomena and quantum physics."

Michael Talbot, Beyond the Quantum, 1988

I was hoping there would be some sort of synchronicity around our post dates, but no.

Quote from: LarryH
I think we are all here to practice reality creation. Most of us don't know that. Many of us are stuck in the role of victim to one degree or another, not getting the way in which victim-hood was a chosen role (though I want to make clear that this does not excuse a perpetrator). The process of reality creation is not obvious, and there are many lessons to be learned along the way. There is a company (I forget which) that asks its employees to "fail spectacularly". It even gives an annual award for Failure of the Year. High risk, high reward. We are in a tough school, and we are all at different stages of development. Another explanation is that some of us chose the easy classes this time around (having set up less extreme challenges for a particular life).

Very well said! I had to search for fail spectacularly, it sounded like something Apple would say but I never did narrow it down. Point well taken though, we ARE here to create and too many people also hold back because of fear of failure and even self-disappointment. I have a hard time finding time to paint and draw and I realize a good part of that is I am my own worst critic and don't want to disappointment myself. I even went as far as to make myself a sign that says "Don't worry, be crappy." Some of the most successful commercial products turned out to be useful for things not originally intended. Another favorite saying of mine is "Life begins at the end of your comfort zone." It's really, really true, but having a good motto and actually living it are two different things and I really want to embrace that one.
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Applying Seth's Concepts to Daily Life / Re: New Years Resolutions
« Last post by Deb on October 12, 2018, 09:26:29 AM »
Quote from: jbseth
I'm not usually interested in New Year's resolutions, however, these 4 seem to be pretty good suggestions for reminders of how to view things.

Yes, these were great suggestions from Seth. I think Lynda Dahl would email them out every New Years from her Seth International website. We should make them Every Day Resolutions, I for one could use the constant reminder. My favorite might be the first one, because "these form my unique individuality. They are given me for a reason." I do have to always remind myself of this one point, we have been raised in a critical society that sets impossible standards and judgments of who we should be, what we should do, what we should look like.

What do you think, should I make these a permanent fixture under Important Information?
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Life is a Dream?
« Last post by Deb on October 12, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
Fantastic description of the birth of consciousness and physical reality. Just beautiful. And this:

Quote from: Seth
Your closest approximation - and it is an approximation only - of the state of being that existed before the universe was formed is the dream state. (Long pause.) In that state before the beginning, your consciousness existed free of space and time, aware of immense probabilities.

made me think of a baby in utero. While no one can what say for sure is in a fetus's mind, I've heard it described that they are in a perpetual dream state. Babies are supposedly not fully self-aware until a certain age (15-24 months, before that they are in a Delta/deep sleep state).They are not aware of themselves as separate from their environment. Then they begin waking from the dream—a birth of consciousness that seems to mimic Seth's explanation of creation. As above, so below?
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Quote from: Deb
I was half way home from Europe, so only 80 wasted minutes in the air this time. And I left home 12 hours ago.
Deb, as a result of these "delays" you got more time to contemplate the Seth teachings.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Seth and the "Electric" Reality
« Last post by Sena on October 12, 2018, 06:13:27 AM »
Quote from: Deb
If I'm understanding you here, would scientists have a better way of explaining this, in that everything has an electromagnetic signature—colors, taste, smells, sound of course?
Deb, scientists don't have a better way of explaining this. They call it the "hard" problem of consciousness, meaning insoluble. They don't want to admit that consciousness is primary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness

Chalmers and Whitehead seem to be closest to admitting that consciousness is primary:

"Some philosophers, including David Chalmers in the late 20th century and Alfred North Whitehead earlier in the 1900s, argued that conscious experience is a fundamental constituent of the universe, a form of panpsychism sometimes referred to as panexperientialism."
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Books/Articles by Other Authors / Thavis is Here by Harry Homewood, 1978.
« Last post by Deb on October 11, 2018, 08:03:39 PM »
I believe the book is out of print, but I found a very yellowed and moldy copy for next to nothing. The book had promise, as I'd heard it was on par with the Seth materials. The spirit guide/teacher Thavis was communicating by automatic writing with Homewood, and Homewood wrote the book explaining the contact and Thavis's explanations of reincarnation, the survival of the soul, no time/space, self healing, why we are here (to learn), places to go other than Earth, OBEs (difficult to do), our amnesia while here, what happens after we die. It started off well enough, but then started sounding religious and preachy the more I got into it despite HH's insisting in a few places in the book that he is not and was never religious. I tried to overcome my knee-jerk reaction to the word God, mentally replacing it with ATI, but eventually I just couldn't ignore that the book was sounding more religious.

Some examples of things that turned me off to the book (after the first few chapters I just skipped around):

HH: "As I said in the first chapter of this book, I am not a religious man in the formal sense that I go to church, that I accept any specific religious doctrine. I do know that God is there and always has been, that we are here on Earth because of His will, that if we are wise we will obey His laws." pg 10

"Once a soul returns to God, it may need a period of adjustment…. If the soul has been in an evil person, if it has been hurt and injured, then the soul will require much love and tenderness." pg 77

[In an evil person? The person is separate from the soul?]

Can you choose your family when incarnating?

Thavis: "No. I know what you are thinking. It would be nice to be born into a wealthy family. I admit, that would be pleasant for anyone. But would such a choice work very well in the learning process? I don't think it would. You will be born of a woman selected by God. He knows what is best for your soul."  pg 83

This was the deal breaker for me. When questioned about what God's other worlds were like, Thavis said he didn't know because he'd never been to them, and finished with "I do know why you ask this question. It is more than idle curiosity, I think. If you knew about other worlds from me or from a soul who had been to several of them, you might want to write a book and make a lot of money." pg 88

On having an OBE — is there a silver thread connecting the soul and body that can accidentally break?

Thavis: "There are no silver cords or any other sort of ties between the soul and the body. The soul occupies the body so long as God wishes it to do so. Only God can say when the soul will leave the body, and that information is His and His alone to know." pg  151

Personally I think Homewood read the Seth books and came up with his own twist—Seth for people with religious faith. But non-denominational faith.

Oh, and how do you heal yourself? By praying to God. :)

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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Seth and the "Electric" Reality
« Last post by Deb on October 11, 2018, 08:01:14 PM »
Hey All, I'm sorry I've been not participating much lately. My post is already outdated, but since I started working on it a week ago I'm gonna put it up anyway. I had several things come up at the same time here and have had no time. But I have still been reading… Oh and if you haven't already done so, head on over to Mary Dillman's website and download the FREE first installment of The Village Voice interview of Jane and Rob. https://www.sethresearchproject.com/store/

So, yes, I've often wondered where "I" am broadcasting from, and what part of this me continues on. I sometimes will just sit and feel inward for the personality essence that is me, but I don't feel I can have two-way contact with the 5 year old I was, or the 20 year old… only memories. So the prospect of at some point going back home to F2 and remembering all of my lives, counterparts, probable selves is pretty interesting. The feeling of "moreness" some NDE people talk about. This me will be the traveler returning home with a lot of new experiences to add to the lot.

The energy concepts Seth shared are now being presented and proven by physics—everything is energy. I feel the quotes above from TES3 were especially clear in explaining the role the ego has in Framework 1 and that the ego is "a product of the physical field," which means the ego's form is as temporary as the body we take on while inhabiting this physical plane and the 'reality' of F2 over F1 ("Matter has little effect within the electrical system, but the effects of the electrical system upon physical matter are great"), which is just the opposite of the way we perceive things from our F1 perspective.

This was great:

“This electrical pattern is the personality, with all the experiences of its earthly time. It then can join or partake of the inner self. In other words, though the ego was adopted originally by the inner self, and was a product of physical heredity and environment, it does not die; but its existence is changed from physical reality into electrical reality. It is still individual. No individuality is lost, but it becomes a part of the inner self, and its experiences are added to the total experience of the many personalities that have composed the inner self.”

Quote from: Sena
What philosophers cannot explain is how the subjective experience of something like the color blue or the smell of roses arises from a particular kind of electrical activity.

If I'm understanding you here, would scientists have a better way of explaining this, in that everything has an electromagnetic signature—colors, taste, smells, sound of course? Our way of interpreting or relating to them would be subjective depending on our own individual frequency and experiences, which fits in with the "four coffee tables" explanation.

Quote from: T.M.
I don't think the dead go anywhere. I think  they are still here. I think it takes both living and dead to make a population. Also why there are so many ghosts, and why/how channeling can take place.

Seth says everything is occupying the same space, so I guess it's just a matter of changing frequency. This would also explain why Jane was able to tap into the thought forms of Cezanne, etc. for the World View books. Years ago I ghost hunted, have had some interesting experiences. My favorite ones were EVPs, where I would use a digital recorder at the locations we would be investigating and would later listen to them for voices. Digital recorders can "hear" outside the range of the human ear. I had quite a few very clear recordings of voices from "people" that were not physically present during the original recording, and what they said was often pertinent to the current conversation. I've even heard some things with my own ears that I can't explain.

Oh and the social memory thing — Seth did talk about some sort of genetic memories. I need to find some quotes.

Quote from: T.M.
I think the conspiracy people have it half right.

Like myths, there is most likely a seed of truth behind every conspiracy. And some are probably true, there's always the possibility that truths are covered up at various levels. Just look at studies and how the results can be so easily twisted. We should never automatically accept what we are told, especially by media or authorities, without doing our own thinking and research. Unfortunately sometimes the research part is not possible. And there are always conspiracy theories that go overboard in the other direction.

I'm actually traveling again, but have TES3 on my laptop so I'm going to dive in. The comments about the electric universe being a reality and also a symbol and how we don't quite "get it" yet has my curiosity up. Oh and TM I brought some knitting with me. :) The yarn has been across the Atlantic a few times.

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Iran hostage crisis: "a materialized mass dream"
Life is but a dream.
Wow.
A convergence?

Great topic, great questions, fantastic finds with the quotes from Dreams Vol. 1! Yes, Seth has mentioned a few times that expectations are powerful. Love these: "power is the creative energy within men’s minds" and "so concentrate upon what you want, and as far as public events are concerned, take it for granted that sometimes even men are wiser than they know."

And also, making a statement with a mass event means that all involved have agreed ahead of "time" on participating, whether we consciously remember that or not.

And this: "Do not personally given any more conscious consideration, either of you, to events that you do not want to happen." Sometimes that doesn't even work. Here I am sitting on a plane from Philly to Prague. We had to run like the wind to catch this flight because of hurricane-related delays. But I kept in my mind that I would make the flight, pushed the delays right out of my mind. I made the flight with minutes to spare, and even scored a 2-seat row row all to myself. Then 40 minutes into the flight the pilot announced that one of our three hydraulic systems sprang a leak and drained. Back to Philly for the night. Why/how did I do this? Well, the last time this happened (how many people can say that?) I was half way home from Europe, so only 80 wasted minutes in the air this time. And I left home 12 hours ago. So there are Probable Me's where the pilot didn't notice the problem. Considering the horrific screeching noises I'm hearing in the plane right now, I'm not sure which Me I am. We're supposed to be greeted with fire trucks, etc.

Oh yeah, I remember Seth saying that we don't have total free will or always get what we want. The agenda of the entity's choices takes precedence over our own.

Update: Made it back to Philly, tomorrow is another day. Somehow I don't see my entity (or me) arranging this adventure for any type of value fulfillment other than it gave me a chance to catch up a little on SoS. Must be someone else on the plane that's benefitting from our turn-around. Unless we mass arranged this to avoid some sort of disaster. The pilot got quite a bit of applause when he touched down.

Update: Now the airlines wants to get us a new plane, they called it an air swap or something. The saga continues… :)

Quote from: usmaak
I really need to just step away from Facebook.

I'm with you there.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Life is a Dream?
« Last post by jbseth on October 10, 2018, 09:35:50 AM »
Hi usmaak, Hi All,

Wow usmaak, what an excellent reply.

I wasn’t thinking about the “Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment” books, when I created this topic.

After seeing your response, I went back and took a look at this book once again, and it has a lot of information about how, Seth says, we started out in a dream form, and then gradually developed a physical existence.

I also found the following Seth quote, which I like, in this same book, in Chapter 2, Session 887:


(Long pause.) In the beginning, then, the species did not have the kinds of forms they do now. They had pseudoforms—dream bodies, if you prefer—and they could not physically reproduce themselves. Their experience of time was entirely different, and in the beginning the entire earth operated in a kind of dream time. In your terms, this meant that time could be quickened, or lengthened. It was a kind of psychological time.

Again, forms appeared and disappeared. (Pause.) In your terms of time, however, the dream bodies took on physical forms. Physical reproduction was impossible. That did not happen to all of the species at once, however. For a while, then, the earth had a mixed population of species who had completely taken on physical forms, and species who had not. The forms, however, whether physical or not, were complete in themselves. Birds were birds, and fish fish.

(9:30.) In the beginning there were also species of various other kinds: combinations of man-animal and animal-man, and many other “crossbreed” species, some of fairly long duration in your terms. This applies to all areas. There were dream trees, with dream foliage, that gradually became aware within that dream (with gentle emphasis), turning physical, focusing more and more in physical reality, until their dream seeds finally brought forth physical trees.


jbseth 
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Life is a Dream?
« Last post by Sena on October 09, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »
Quote from: usmaak
The birth of the world represented a divine psychological awakening.  Each consciousness that takes a part in the physical universe dreamed of such a physical existence, in your terms, before the earth was formed.

usmaak,
That's it in a nutshell! Thanks for this. Goodbye to the Adam and Eve story which labels all humans as sinners.
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