Near death experiences and soul dramas

[tickle]

One of the topics that help conciced me of the fact that we create our own reality was that of near death experiences (NDE).
I read acounts of NDEs from diferent parts of the worlds and it was very clear how believes and expectations shaped the expierience of people.

For example: In India many NDEs report recounted meetings with Yama the hindu god of death as well as reincarnational life reviews, in China people report meeting diferent Buddhas or the vision of the Buddhist pure lands and in western cultures the most common reports are tunnels of light and then meeting angels, saints or deseased family members.

Seth mentions that he had play the role of religious figures in an effort to help personalities transition to the after death state. Similarly, in Oversoul Seven, there are description of divine dramas as one of his personalities, Lydia, refuses to reincarnate until she meets the gods, which resilted in an experience that could be compared to an NDE (she saw various gods  and each one thought her lesons).

This makes me think that NDEs (and to sole extent mystical and religious experience) can also be a type of drama devised by souls to teach their personalities lessons or fufill certain request for experiencrs needed to grow or move foward. This would explain why they vary among cultures and are so personal, instead of being the same type of experience for everyone.

[Deb]

Thanks for this topic, it's a great one as far as I'm concerned.

NDEs totally fascinate me. I've not had one. I don't want one. I don't know anyone personally who did. All I can rely upon is books or other accountings that I've read.

I read acounts of NDEs from diferent parts of the worlds and it was very clear how believes and expectations shaped the expierience of people.

Yes, according to Seth our beliefs will affect our near death or (for real) death experience. I remember that story of Seth and another "guide" staging a showdown between Allah and Moses to smooth an Arab's death experience. Great story, great example.

I was most impressed with Anita Moorjani's NDE (Dying to be Me), but it was not her specific death experience that impressed me as much as her total and rapid recovery from stage 4 cancer and organ failure. She chose to return to her body, as she had an epiphany during her NDE in which she realized what had made her so sick. Because of that realization, she knew she would return to a healed body and had some meaningful work to do. Her death was a tremendous and immediate learning experience for her.

So I get what you wrote about how an NDE can be an opportunity for the soul/entity to teach an experiencer how to grow and move forward. Actually that had not occurred to me until you mentioned it, but it makes perfect sense. And yes, every culture has their beliefs about god and religion and death, so they would have an experience based on their beliefs.

[Sena]

This makes me think that NDEs (and to sole extent mystical and religious experience) can also be a type of drama devised by souls to teach their personalities lessons or fufill certain request for experiencrs needed to grow or move foward.

tickle, thanks for your interesting comments about NDE's. A feature of some NDE's is the "life review", which seems to lend support to the Seth teaching that past, present, and future are simultaneous:

"The life review, a regular occurrence of NDEs, offers many novel perceptions of time. Experiencers often see events from birth to death or from death to birth as a series of sequences. But those sequences usually take place all at once, in one single instantaneous revelation. This is not just time speeding up; this is simultaneous time in which the impression of sequential time is still preserved, a striking example of how sequential time is actually contained in nontime." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

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[Tob]

This makes me think that NDEs (and to sole extent mystical and religious experience) can also be a type of drama devised by souls to teach their personalities lessons or fufill certain request for experiencrs needed to grow or move foward.

tickle, thanks for your interesting comments about NDE's. A feature of some NDE's is the "life review", which seems to lend support to the Seth teaching that past, present, and future are simultaneous:

"The life review, a regular occurrence of NDEs, offers many novel perceptions of time. Experiencers often see events from birth to death or from death to birth as a series of sequences. But those sequences usually take place all at once, in one single instantaneous revelation. This is not just time speeding up; this is simultaneous time in which the impression of sequential time is still preserved, a striking example of how sequential time is actually contained in nontime." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

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Your life is an accumulated chain of incredibly short 'Now'-moments (10 to the power of 43) per second.

Thus, it is a chain of 10 to the power of 43 (second) times 3600 (hour) times 24 times 30 times 12 times 80 (years). In the end still a finite number. During the life review you see any of these moments at the same time, as they all exist at the same 'Now'- moment. You just give up the linear perspective. You perceive and experience the implications of your actions and decisions on the lives of others - from their perspective - to the extent that your actions were propelled by the desire to harm them. Harmful effects resulting from your behaviour without your negative intention will not be experienced in the same way (Bashar). As your chain of 'Now'-moments implies a large number of decision points where you could have chosen another path which was then experienced by another version of you (e.g. Robert Butts the pilot who died, Robert Butts who died as a child, Robert Butts who died or suffered during the general nuclear ending of WW II (Seth), your life review includes the review of relevant experiences which were had in relevant parallel timelines as well. To the extent that they can be perceived as important for the topic you did pursue in this lifetime (e.g. extreme poverty as the other side of abundance)

[Deb]

I've been puzzling over this today.

I know that NDEs and OBEs are essentially the same thing—out of body travel. Some OBEs are intentional, some are not, and I would imagine all NDEs are not. (But then there's the movie Flatliners—I wonder how many people were inspired by it?) There's also something called shared NDEs, where a person is dying and someone who is close to them shares the initial stages of the dying person's experience trip to the other side.

A lot of people that had NDEs report the life review, but I don't think all of them do, at least from those I've read, some people don't mention it. About 9 years ago I read a book written by Eben Alexander, a neurosurgeon who suddenly went into a deep coma in 2008. He was in the coma for a week, was given a 10% chance of survival. Actually, his physician recommended to his family that he be taken off treatment. He had severe e. coli bacterial meningitis which usually only occurs in newborns and they never figured out how he got it. All lobes of his brain were affected. When he finally woke up, he had no memory of anything in his life, including the ability to speak. Two months later he'd recovered all memories and wrote the book Proof of Heaven. I don't recall him saying in the book that he had a life review, but he seems to know what they are about.

So my puzzle: Why do some people who have an NDE have life reviews and others don't? People having OBEs don't, but people that have an OBE are not dying.  With NDEs, people die and some come back either on their own, or are revived by medical intervention (free will would still operate in that case, they won't come back unless they agree to). And I imagine anyone who decides to stay in non-physical reality is going to get the review, at least before they reincarnate.

I found this YT of Dr. Alexander being interviewed. He talks about his NDE, gives a very clear story of what occurred. I found it fascinating, even though I'd already read the book. A lot of what he says fits in with Seth. He's a man of science who didn't believe in life after death until his own NDE. It totally changed his view of consciousness, the mind, and the nature of reality. The video is 1:15 long, I've listened for almost an hour and have now added his newest book (Living in a Mindful Universe) to my wish list. The first 30 minutes covers his NDE experience very well, but what's nice about this video is that if you click through to YT, there's a list of key points throughout the video and what time they appear. You can click a link and be taken right to that part of the timeline.

For those who prefer to read, he has an article at NCBI, Near-Death Experiences, The Mind-Body Debate & the Nature of Reality that has the medical details of his coma, and his exploration of consciousness.

[tickle]

This, like every other experience, depends on expectations. Basically, if you believe  that a life review is require for moving on, you will experience a life review. On the other hand, if you expect to transition to other planes of existance without a review, there is no necesity to create that experience.

I imagine that you could also have a life review during a non death related OBE if you really wanted to and expected to be able to get one ( in the education of oversoul seven it is explained that life reviews  from a past or future personality can be experienced in the relative present of another personality within the same entity).