Elias on "transition after death"

Started by Sena, November 14, 2020, 08:01:50 AM

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Sena

It is interesting to compare Elias' teaching on this topic with Seth's teaching. There are clear similarities but also significant differences in emphasis. I was able to get something from Elias' account which I was not able to get so easily from the Seth account. Here is Elias'account first:

"As an individual focus disengages from this physical dimension — or what you term to be dies — that focus, that individual enters into the beginning throes of an area of consciousness which is identified as transition. In this action of transition — for it is not a place — but in this action of transition, initially the individual retains their objective awareness in very like manner to physical focus. They have not yet moved into the area of the presentment of all of their focuses simultaneously. They merely project singularly their objective awareness and materialize the scenarios of their belief systems. Now; this you may liken to a hologram, for it does not hold the solidity in quality that your physical dimension holds, although it may APPEAR that it holds that same type of solidity. In this, think of your concepts that you present yourselves with presently in your science fiction. In your technology of your science fiction presently, you project the idea of holograms as holding the quality of such solidity that they appear to be actual reality. In this, what I am expressing to you is that an individual focus that has disengaged or has died within physical focus moves to the action of transition, in which they continue to hold  temporarily the same — or almost the same — quality of objective awareness as they held while they were participating in physical focus. Therefore, the area of transition appears to them to be quite similar. In this, they shall create the imagery or the hologram, so to speak, of very similar creations — the same earth, the same human beings, the same creatures, the same vegetation, the same structures. All of these elements are familiar to them and they are all intimately involved with their belief systems, and as they are continuing to project through an objective awareness, they create a type of holographic imagery that appears to be solid and appears very similar to your reality within physical focus. Now; an individual may continue in this type of creation for some time framework, in your terms. Be remembering once again, this is figurative, for within nonphysical areas of consciousness there is no time framework, but within your concept it may translate into a time framework. Therefore, the individual may continue in this type of creation of this holographic imagery for an extended time framework appearance, not yet moving into the actual action of transition, which is the shedding of belief systems, for the actual action of transition initiates and continues the viewing of all focuses simultaneously." (from "The Shift In Consciousness. A Time of Change: An Elias book" by David Tate)

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Here is Seth;s account:

"The time of choosing is dependent upon the condition and circumstances of the individual following transition from physical life. Some take longer than others to understand the true situation. Others must be divested of many impeding ideas and symbols, as explained earlier. The time of choosing may happen almost immediately, in your terms, or it may be put off for a much longer period while training is carried on. The main impediments standing in the way of the time of choosing are, of course, the faulty ideas harbored by any given individual. A belief in heaven or hell, under certain conditions, can be equally disadvantageous. Some will refuse to accept the idea of further work, development, and challenge, believing instead that conventional heaven situations are the only possibility. For some time they may indeed inhabit such an environment, until they learn through their own experience that existence demands development, and that such a heaven would be sterile, boring, and indeed "deadly." Then they are ready for the time of choosing. Others may insist that because of their transgressions they will be cast into hell, and because of the force of such belief, they may for some time actually encounter such conditions. In either case, however, there are always teachers available. They try to get through these false beliefs. In the Hades conditions, the individuals come somewhat more quickly to their senses. Their own fears trigger within themselves the answering release. Their need, in other words, more quickly opens up the inner doorways of knowledge. Their state does not usually last as long, therefore, as the heaven state. Either state, however, puts off the time of choosing and the next existence. There is one point I would like to mention here: In all cases, the individual creates his experience. I say this again at the risk of repeating myself because this is a basic fact of all consciousness and existence. There are no special "places" or situations or conditions set apart after physical death in which any given personality must have experience. Suicides, as a class, for example, do not have any particular "punishment" meted out to them, nor is their condition any worse a priori. They are treated as individuals. Any problems that were not faced in this life will, however, be faced in another one. This applies not only to suicides, however. A suicide may bring about his own death because he rejects existence on any but highly specific terms chosen by himself. If this is the case, then of course he will have to learn differently. Many others, however, choose to deny experience while within the physical system, committing suicide quite as effectively while still physically alive." (from "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Session 546)

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What I find interesting in the Elias account is that he states clearly that the main task facing the person after death is "the shedding of belief systems". Seth does not say this so clearly, although he does say that there are teachers available who help the individual get rid of false beliefs.