Julia Assante on simultaneous incarnations

[Sena]

Julia Assante is described as a "mystic". She has written a book which refers positively to Seth and Jane Roberts. She especially agrees with Seth on the simultaneity of incarnations:

https://www.juliaassante.com/

"The quality of the teachings through deep-trance mediums is uneven. In a class of her own is Jane Roberts, who channeled Seth for two decades until her death in 1984. Unfortunately, many other deep-trance mediums, whether channeling an adept from the lost continent of Atlantis or a Taoist sage from China's misty past, teach that the soul evolves from a "lower" to a "higher" state through a series of reincarnations. Most also believe in a universal law, the law of cause and effect, which lies at the foundation of karmic debt." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

https://amzn.eu/61CBd6h

"These two sets of after-death encounters, as I understand them, demonstrate that individual personalities from different reincarnations can and do coexist in the after-death state and with a considerable degree of independence. There is no dismantling of the old identity to make way for the new. There is no privileging of the new identity over the old, no ranking of lives. In fact, as they all exist simultaneously, there is no acknowledgment of old and new souls, high and low souls, or of past, present, and future. Simultaneous time and simultaneous past lives answer a very common question about reincarnation: How did so few people in the Stone Age turn into billions in the twenty-first century without the creation of new souls? Well, they do that by ignoring sequential time!" (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

"In those rare moments when we can grasp the simultaneity of time, when eternity becomes real rather than theoretical, the revelation that all things happen at once comes easily and makes "infinite" sense. When you experience eternity in what I call an infinity moment, you understand perhaps the most profound fundamental of life after death and of your own greater self." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

Scientists like Stephen Braude are very concerned about the difficulty of proving "survival" after physical death. Simultaneous incarnations mean that the question of survival is irrelevant.

[Tob]

Julia Assante is described as a "mystic". She has written a book which refers positively to Seth and Jane Roberts. She especially agrees with Seth on the simultaneity of incarnations:

https://www.juliaassante.com/

"The quality of the teachings through deep-trance mediums is uneven. In a class of her own is Jane Roberts, who channeled Seth for two decades until her death in 1984. Unfortunately, many other deep-trance mediums, whether channeling an adept from the lost continent of Atlantis or a Taoist sage from China's misty past, teach that the soul evolves from a "lower" to a "higher" state through a series of reincarnations. Most also believe in a universal law, the law of cause and effect, which lies at the foundation of karmic debt." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

https://amzn.eu/61CBd6h

"These two sets of after-death encounters, as I understand them, demonstrate that individual personalities from different reincarnations can and do coexist in the after-death state and with a considerable degree of independence. There is no dismantling of the old identity to make way for the new. There is no privileging of the new identity over the old, no ranking of lives. In fact, as they all exist simultaneously, there is no acknowledgment of old and new souls, high and low souls, or of past, present, and future. Simultaneous time and simultaneous past lives answer a very common question about reincarnation: How did so few people in the Stone Age turn into billions in the twenty-first century without the creation of new souls? Well, they do that by ignoring sequential time!" (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

"In those rare moments when we can grasp the simultaneity of time, when eternity becomes real rather than theoretical, the revelation that all things happen at once comes easily and makes "infinite" sense. When you experience eternity in what I call an infinity moment, you understand perhaps the most profound fundamental of life after death and of your own greater self." (from "The Last Frontier: Exploring the Afterlife and Transforming Our Fear of Death" by Julia Assante PhD, M.D. Larry Dossey)

Scientists like Stephen Braude are very concerned about the difficulty of proving "survival" after physical death. Simultaneous incarnations mean that the question of survival is irrelevant.

A soul can be best described as an activity (Seth). It is part of a larger activity, which in turn is again part of a larger activity, etc. etc... Creation is nested (Seth) and we cannot get a complete picture as long as we are incarnate (Seth, TES6). Our Napoleon is our Napoleon. But Austerlitz and Waterloo are part of something much bigger which we cannot understand...for the time being.

It follows that 'I am-ness' is also part of another 'I am-ness', which is part of another, etc., etc., in the same way as the You you know yourself to be includes the You you were at the age of ten when you did something you shouldn't have done. This 'former' You still exists but now it has become part of a much larger You (with the added memories of events and moments which were experienced since then).

But the You you were at the age of ten still exists. And it can still develop and go its own way. Independent of the You you are now, which includes the You you were at the age of ten (Bashar).

This is why Seth can say that Jane is the Seth he was THEN, i.e. an earlier version of him, while he developed independently into another direction. Everything and everyone is constantly developing (Seth). Creation is constantly going on.

And in the same way as you contain the You you were at the age of ten when you did something you would not do anymore today, a larger 'I am-ness' contains the experiences of many lives, but they are still all independent. They are independent in the sense that no identity is ever annihilated, not even by integration, and that they continue to develop, independent from their initial context (the 'original' life). Only then statements from Seth and Bashar make sense according to which there is an infinite number of parallel lives. Otherwise there was not 'enough room' (logical room) for infinity. Robert Butts had two or three parallel lives which are mentioned in the books. This is far away from 'infinite'. But when these versions of Robert Butts continue to develop independently (even every moment-version) and if time does not exist, statements regarding an infinite number of parallel lives make more sense.

And full incarnations (fully lived lives) remain in the same way as independent as every 'NOW'- I am-ness', forming the chain of single moment experiences of a single individual incarnation. And all experiences which are thus generated as the reflection of specific individualized activities (i.e: souls according to Seth) are nested.

There is no purgatory tralala (unless you create it), no original sin and the 'incredibly enlightened esoteric folks' should not voluntarily rush towards replacing one set of (deadly) garbage for the next (karma for original sin).

And 'SETH presentations' should be based on the true message of his books with the clear objective of replacing 'believing' by knowing. Knowing is always better and the necessary information has been definitely provided. It takes reading the books carefully. Unfortunately Jane Roberts did not have access to the relevant scientific categories despite Seth's recommendation to familiarize herself with astrophysics (during the time of the transmission of TES1 and 2). Seth could not get the term 'Planck time' formulated. What he achieved was a sentence according to which the blinking universe does 'exist as often as it does not exist'. In every individualized case. Seth did provide a 'skeleton' (by the end of TES2) of physical information which was designed to be filled and enriched over the course of all the following sessions. But so far, this has not been properly acknowledged and reflected.

Seth should not be put on a pedestal. He was absolutely clear on that. He is no guru and no modern Saint and he does not want to be perceived or treated as one. He knows much more, but he has his limits as well, 'centuries before the beginning of what seems to have begun' (Seth)

According to Bashar there is no difference between a 'young soul' or an 'old soul'. Old souls are not 'more enlightened in the sense of hovering on a superior cloud. They are able to make more connections to simultaneously ongoing other incarnations. Thus, their individual undertakings may unfold smoother as they are more informed by the rest of creation.

In his 'reincarnation' transmission (2021) he referred for the first time to a 'multiple life' review. Reviewing whatever is relevant for the specific theme we have chosen for our specific 'NOW'-incarnation. The 'life review' is a basic constituent of creation as it would not make sense to have a life if it wasn't reviewed later on (Bashar).

But the review has nothing to do with 'punishment'. 'Justice is realization, not punishment' (Bashar). Realization of the larger context and the structure of creation of which we are an individualized and worthy and immortal part, irrespective of whatever we 'did, do or will do' (Bashar).

Nothing happens TO you. It happens THROUGH you (Bashar). To the extent you allow it happen in the commonly created and experienced 'bubble reality' of individualized universes which are constantly re-created, billions of time per second at the rate of Planck time.

Everybody will go to heaven (Bashar) as we never left heaven. We do not have a soul, we ARE a soul, projecting an individualized 3D reality illusion INSIDE consciousness. Similar to Plato's cave. We have 'experiences' in our life to contribute new aspects to creation, thus injecting an 'added value' every moment of our life. Creation is about these 'added values'. The rest is irrelevant. Camouflage. Very useful for the purpose, but in the end just camouflage. What DOES exist are ideas and - hence - activities in a never ending creative game of gestalts (of activities) which are nested (Seth). Up and up and up to the level of 'All that is' of which we are (already) an individualized and immortal aspect with the identity we get from the entity (Seth) the moment we are born. This identity is then formed and burnt like raw clay by the specific and individualized experiences of our 'incarnation' up to the level of 'All-that-is' which we experience as our 'I' - version of 'All-that-is' and of which we are an indestructable and immortal part. Never to be punished, never to be annihilated. Not even by integration.

F1 is created from F2, not the other way around (Seth).

[Sena]

According to Bashar there is no difference between a 'young soul' or an 'old soul'.

Tob, yes it does appear that Bashar is in agreement with Seth and Julia Assante on simutaneous time:

Therefore, the term reincarnation is to some degree a misnomer. Reincarnation implies that it is a linear mechanism, that you incarnate and then
reincarnate again and again, having incarnated before. To us it is simply
simultaneous multi-dimensional incarnation. Only from your physical point of
view do you see it "linearly" and call it re-incarnation. The reason that there are
multiple lives is because you are, as we have said, a multi-dimensional being.
You fill Existence. You are a reflection of the Infinite.

(From a pdf document entitled "THE QUEST FOR TRUTH
a compilation of Bashar's teaching)

[Tob]

According to Bashar there is no difference between a 'young soul' or an 'old soul'.

Tob, yes it does appear that Bashar is in agreement with Seth and Julia Assante on simutaneous time:

Therefore, the term reincarnation is to some degree a misnomer. Reincarnation implies that it is a linear mechanism, that you incarnate and then
reincarnate again and again, having incarnated before. To us it is simply
simultaneous multi-dimensional incarnation. Only from your physical point of
view do you see it "linearly" and call it re-incarnation. The reason that there are
multiple lives is because you are, as we have said, a multi-dimensional being.
You fill Existence. You are a reflection of the Infinite.

(From a pdf document entitled "THE QUEST FOR TRUTH
a compilation of Bashar's teaching)

Yes he is. According to Bashar everything is created by one single particle. ONE single particle, not one single category of particles. ONE single particle, the 'Prime Radiant'. We can call it the 'Here and Now' - particle. It is travelling at infinite speed. It is not subject to time and space. Time and space are subject to it. As it is travelling at infinite speed it can be everywhere 'at the same time'. It is 'made of' pure consciousness. As it is creating everything that is, everything that does exist is necessarily conscious, including rocks. And it is necessarily 'here and now', including all other lives and incarnations.

According to Bashar we create our own reality by creating our own universe. This happens at the rate of Planck time. Billions of times per second (10 to the power of 43). Thus, reality constantly collapses to a zero point, just to be constantly re-created again. But after the re-creation there is an entirely new universe/multiverse. We are no longer in the 'old' one. And we are no longer the same person. We only think we are. We are constantly re-creating new universe(s) in line with the vibrations of our belief systems (Seth and Bashar) looking then for a brief moment through the eyes of 'our' body that is 'already there'. This is the 'reality production mechanism', constantly creating the illusion of a 3D reality. Without belief systems no universes (Bashar). Everything is vibration.

According to Seth our synapses catch the 'frames' (he is actually using this word entirely 'out of the blue' and without further explanation) in line with a certain vibration, eg. the sequence 5, 10, 15, 20, etc. (cf. the Christmas tree analogy in UR). Thus we are moving through frames 5, 10, 15, 20, etc, thereby creating the illusion of movement and continuity and a presence in a specific reality. With a different vibration (induced by different belief systems) we would be getting frames 6, 11, 16, 21, etc. We would then be in a different reality, not knowing anything about the initial one (5, 10, 15, 20, etc.). We are a different person in a different reality. A parallel reality (while another version of us is experiencing the sequence 5, 10, 15, 20, etc., completely unaware of our existence and not believing at all in Seth, Bashar, reincarnations or parallel lives). The splitting of our consciousness, the separation of the paths is described by Seth in UR. Consciousness is not diminished, but enhanced by this process (Seth). From the perspective of a newly created, individualized consciousness we may call this process 'shifting'. According to Seth this process takes place at the synapses (which do not exist either, in a strict sense). They 'know' more than the brain (NoPR). Probable realities are tested beforehand in dream time (Seth).

According to Bashar we co-create a common bubble reality. Behind our creation of the versions of others in our own universe there may be 10, 40, or 70 percent (e.g.) of the energy of others, co-creating specific events experienced by us in our reality. Regarding the events there is consensus on a higher level (Bashar), even if we cannot understand that for the time being. We learn from others as they do learn from us. The lessons are examined at the time of the life review. Without life review having a life in 3D would not make sense. There is no punishment. What we do not learn during our life time, will be learned somewhere else in another context which may be more conducive (Bashar).

Seth does not use the term bubble reality. To him it is a matter of different angles and perspectives. Each different perspective is its own universe. But they overlap in one single final point. Mathematicians know that, but they cannot explain it (Seth). This single final point was also the point through which Seth entered our dimension and reality when communicating with us through Jane. The issue of the illusion of the existence of one single commonly shared universe, the 'bubble reality' (Bashar) is thus approached by Seth using different terms (primary and secondary construction). The energy issue (10, 40, 70, etc.) is quite generally dealt with using the category of 'telepathy' (e.g. the black garden hose which can or cannot be transformed into a thick black, vicious snake). There may be more precise information, but I haven't found it yet. The 'capsule comprehension' is a circumscription of the holographic principle.

According to Bashar, every single word that Seth is saying is correct. According to Seth we are 'here' to learn that we create the reality with the vibration of our own belief systems. It is only when we thoroughly understand that we ourselves are the creators of our own experiences that we can move on. Otherwise it would be too dangerous for us in other realms. For security reasons and for our own protection there is a structural time lag in our reality (our category of reality production mechanisms) between a thought, feeling, emotion, or belief system and the materialization of the respective reality matching that specific vibration in 3D.

[Sena]

According to Seth we are 'here' to learn that we create the reality with the vibration of our own belief systems. It is only when we thoroughly understand that we ourselves are the creators of our own experiences that we can move on. Otherwise it would be too dangerous for us in other realms. For security reasons and for our own protection there is a structural time lag in our reality (our category of reality production mechanisms) between a thought, feeling, emotion, or belief system and the materialization of the respective reality matching that specific vibration in 3D.

Tob, that is an excellent summary of the Seth teachings. The time lag between the thought and the physical manifestation would explain why most of us are not able to produce psychokinesis (bending metal) at will.

"His own inner experiences are structuring the necessary changes. The body at each instant accurately reflects the inner state, but in your terms with some necessary time lag."
—TPS3 Session 718 (Deleted Portion) November 6, 1974

"Now. In this existence, when you see a picture in your mind, and when there is strong emotion and vivid desire behind it, it will be constructed. There will be a time lapse within this system, but in other systems there may be no time lapse... and your thought may be instantly transposed into reality. Therefore, now you must learn the nature of your thoughts and how to handle energy."
—TES9 ESP Class June 3, 1969