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Barrie Gellis, a resident of New York City, was a member of Jane Roberts weekly ESP classes held at Jane and Rob's Water Street apartment in Elmira, NY, where Seth often put in an appearance during those informal sessions.

Recently I found an outdated web site of Barrie's. It's no longer hosted on the web, but it has been archived by a service. I've saved his Q&A pages to my desktop, since there were some Seth questions asked and answered that were very interesting to me. I'll add posts to this topic addressing specific questions. 

For now the site can be accessed here: http://www.oocities.org/athens/olympus/7723/qa.htm. This is a page listing all of the Q&As. If anyone wants to (or wants me to) add a specific one here, please feel free to add it or ask me to do it.

Quoted with permission from Barrie Gellis.

Index to "Barrie on" Q&As here in this topic:

What is was like to be a member of Jane's ESP classes.
Creating your own reality.
Affecting others' reality (making a pet ill)
• More to come

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From Barrie, http://www.oocities.org/athens/olympus/7723/qa-pg1.htm :

I was one of the "New York Boys" mentioned in in Sue Watkin's book about the class, Conversations With Seth. We went up to class in Elmira weekly, on Tuesdays, which was about a 5-hour drive each way--for a total of 10 hours on the road. None of us really worked much in those days and all of us were between the ages of 21-23. I attended class from October 1972 to about May 1974; and then sporadically after that although I remained extremely close to my friends who still attended regularly.

There was a very mixed atmosphere in the "class" which was really just a bunch of people crowded into Jane's living room. Usually, there was a group of 15-to-40 people attending; always some visitors or new people; always the lights on; always a lot of wine on the table. There was always loud talk and lively discussions with Jane sometimes directing it in certain directions and other times just being swept along with it. When Seth came thru, everything stopped and quieted down. You may have heard some of the audio tapes Ricky is selling...he's known as Rick Stack. He has Rob's permission to actually sell audio tapes of Jane's classes. Anyway, I'm not selling anything, so take it easy and relax

When Seth came thru, everybody shut up and listened. Seth had a way of putting things that always complimented you. For example, if there was a visitor in the class who we all thought was an asshole, Seth would come thru and express what we were feeling about the guy or gal, but put it in such a way that somehow turned it into a compliment, while not losing any of the qualities which we had labelled as "asshole." I don't know if that's clear, but it was part of the atmosphere. After Seth left, Jane would ask a class member to tell her what happened because she never was really aware of what she said as Seth. This knowledge that she would call on somebody always made me real nervous, thinking that she may call on me and my mind would go blank and I wouldn't remember anything, and anything I would remember I would say wrong anyway--so I often felt nervous, but she never called on me for that, thank God.

Seth was mostly very funny while being poignant. So, laughter and humor was a big part of the atmosphere. When the Sumari came through and sang it was either very moving or very boring--depending upon if you got into it or not. There was a character called Seth 2. When he came through (only a few times he came through), it was very spooky and eerie. He spoke in a monotone voice and kind of removed from people, whereas Seth was very earthy and into people. As far a "presence" felt--sometimes all of us sitting around Jane in the living room as she sat in her rocker--somehow it felt like a Indian tribe sitting in a cave, leaning against the walls, eating, talking, while night passed outside the entrance.

The general atmosphere in the living room was always lively and anti-spiritual, lights on, funny, no spooky or scary talk, cursing and drinking and smoking allowed and accepted. People always friendly, although arguments sometimes occurred regarding philosophies or interpretations, but Seth would intervene and make both sides feel good about themselves. One message Seth kept repeating was, "The vitality you feel in my voice is your own vitality." He kept turning us back onto and into ourselves. When he would not answer someone's question, he would say something like, "When you ask the question, you already know the answer. If I answer you, you will have only half the answer, but would not look further thinking you have the whole answer." When Seth was out, you could certainly feel Jane was not talking anymore, and another "presence" was there, but it was not a ghostly feeling or presence, but as if another person was there, and whatever feelings and energies go along with another person speaking and getting the full attention of a gathered group who all love him.


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In response to someone's question, "Do you create your own reality?" Barrie had some interesting answers... and questions and ways to look at this subject.

BARRIE: There are three immediate questions raised by your question, "Do you create your own reality?" What do you mean by "you"?

The current personality you are, the one who is currently focused on on this physical plane?
The "group" of personalities of which you are an equal member of, both past and present, from our point of view?
The "you" which is invisible to yourself and who is actually aware of all these invisible things and lives?

Also, what do you mean by "reality"? What is reality? Is a table real? Is a table solid? Does time exist? Does death exist? In what manner? Does reality mean only what you are consciously aware of on this physical plane? What do you mean by "create"? Does create mean "consciously" create?

You see, it is not so simple a question and there is much room for argument.

I define reality as the complete reality we live in--the one in which death does not exist as we physically perceive it, and where time also does not exist. In other words what is physical is not what we physically perceive it to be. There are past lives, future lives and present lives all existing at the same time, all interacting and learning from each other. Each one of these selves has its own infiite number of probable selves and probable realities; alternate selves and alternate realities--only one of which we choose to actualize or makereal, although all are real and happening while we are unreal to them. I believe we all create our own reality.

First, the universe, the table, chair, stars, Mars, mah jong sets--everything is our thoughts made physical--individually and en masse so, literally, we create our own reality. For all objects of reality are our thoughts made physical.

Secondly, we also create our reality in that we choose, on levels we are not necessarily consciously aware of, but yet on levels that know there is no death or time, on levels from which we sent ourselves out here in the first place--on those levels with which we are still actively and constantly in touch and which, although we don't consciously remember--on those levels, we create our own reality.

We choose our parents. There are no accidents. And every major or minor, intimate and shared thing that happens to us--we shared in its creation beforehand. We chose for it to occur up until the second it happened. We all know beforehand, as do those we are in touch with, exactly when and how an "accident" will occur and who will "die" in it. It all appears to be a shock and an accident because that is how we learn and grow. But 100% choice is involved. So is 100% free will, which means nothing is "pre-ordained" and you can choose to avoid the accident which you are consciouslly unaware of--if you want to--on that deeper inner level.

We do create our own reality, but that reality is not what we think it is. And all the horrors of death and the pain of loss only exist because of our limited perceptions. No one dies. No personality ever gets swallowed up and lost after death. No contact is actually broken when a loved one dies. It continues on levels we are not used to or trained to become aware of. Yet active communication with the personalities who die does go on and on--on deeper levels that we are usually consciously unaware of; but yet in which we actively participate. Such communication occurs in the dream state whether you remember it or not. It also occurs in the waking state whether you remember or are consciously aware of it.

When dealing on these levels, we have to use the physical tools and experiences that we have available to us. So, be aware of those "tingles" you feel when thinking certain things or just sitting there doing nothing. This may be a confirmation of something between a spirit, or whatever you wish to call "dead" people, and our own invisible selves. It could be a signal to you that the person is in the room with you. Be aware of those coincidences which surround certain events and thoughts. Coincidences are an invisible langauge of physical reality which we use to communicate with "spirits."

When someone dies they simply transform into a form of energy we cannot physically perceive. But they are still as alive as we are, or if you prefer, we are as dead as they are. Babies must learn to understand that when mommy leaves the room, she is still alive only "invisible" for the moment in another room. Same thing with death. When it comes to our ideas of death, we are like babies. And the "dead" person is only invisible for a moment in another level of reality we cannot phyically perceive.

Another useful tool to be aware of our active communication with "dead" people is intuition and imagination. as both of these things are much more than we ordinarily think they are. It is also through physical methods such as dreams, coincidence, intuition, and imagination that we can become aware that we do create our own reality and why we choose what we choose.

Compassion, however, must always exist. Many people choose to misuse the idea of creating your own reality in order to justify their selfishness, greed, or callousness; and not look into themselves to discover why they feel such things. Questions arise such as, "Why should I help the poor, didn't they choose to be poor?" The answers is, yes, they chose to be poor, and you chose not to be poor, and we all chose to learn from our life situation. Here the "lesson" of those in need to those who have is to learn to love and be compassionate and to understand why you are not yet loving and compassionate. Even though they also create their own realities we are still supposed to help them. How else can we learn to feel love, compassion and to help. If there were no people who needed help--what then would teach us compassion?



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The current personality you are, the one who is currently focused on on this physical plane?
The "group" of personalities of which you are an equal member of, both past and present, from our point of view?
The "you" which is invisible to yourself and who is actually aware of all these invisible things and lives?
This is very interesting. My current personality may want to win the lottery, but the group of personalities of which I am an equal member may not want that to happen.

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My current personality may want to win the lottery, but the group of personalities of which I am an equal member may not want that to happen.

Or... there's a reality where one (or more) of your probable selves has or will win the lottery. :-) Personality groups, incarnations, probable selves, counterparts... there's a lot going on, not simple stuff.

Barrie in response to the question, "If I had no belief in war, completely loved peace, could I wake up in a reality where the world wars never happened?"

Barrie: You should already be interacting with this world on levels you are not consciously aware of. There are probable realities constantly being creating by each of us in this ever-expanding multi-dimensional universe. These realities coexist with what we choose to make physical, and we have probable selves living in them. To them, we are one of their probable selves not made physical, and we remain invisible to them. Therefore, one of your probable selves already exists in a reality where the world wars never happened.

Try to contact this world in your dream state; give yourself this suggestion before you go to sleep. Keep a notebook by the bed and remember to write down your dreams when you awaken regardless if you think they pertain to your suggestion. By the way, these probable selves have their own reincarnational "histories."

In Vol. 2 of the new Seth books, The Early Sessions that Ricky Stack just put out, and on pages 90-92, Seth says that Jane was once Seth in a past life in the 4th Century BC, and that Jane is one of many "probable personalities into which Seth could grow." And that the Seth who comes thru Jane is another probable personality of this 4th-Century-BC Seth. This is weird stuff, isn't it?

Let's say you wanted to be a dancer. That Martha, who wanted to be a dancer, has her own probable reality and reincarnational line--different from the Martha who you are with your own probable reincarnation line of personalities. Each personality keeps sprouting probable realities and personalities and the universe thus on a non-physical level to us...keeps infinitely expanding. Maybe this is "mirrored" on the scientific physical level in the "expanding-universe theory" that scientists are so pleased to speculate about in their usual manner.

I hope this helped you. It has helped me.

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Each personality keeps sprouting probable realities and personalities and the universe thus on a non-physical level to us...keeps infinitely expanding. Maybe this is "mirrored" on the scientific physical level in the "expanding-universe theory" that scientists are so pleased to speculate about in their usual manner.
Deb, I find it difficult to accept infinite expansion in scientific astronomy, and I am not sure about infinite expansion of probable realities.

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Maybe you could ask Barrie to expound on his comment?


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Deb, the problem as I see it with "the infinite expansion of probable realities" is that it seems to be incompatible with the creation of value. Each individual conscious being co-operates with All That Is in the creation of more and more scenarios which give value to life. If there are an infinite number of probable realities, how can you say that one reality is more valuable than another?

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hey guys,

Sena, do you have a reference for your question about one reality having more value than another?

Why do you think an infinite expansion of probable realities and value creation are incompatible?

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Quote from: Sena
If there are an infinite number of probable realities, how can you say that one reality is more valuable than another?

Quote from: LenKop
Why do you think an infinite expansion of probable realities and value creation are incompatible?

Sena, I've been wondering what you meant about that too, I may have missed something. It seems to me @barrie was roughly tying the constant expansion of reality through probable lives and realities with science's theory that the universe is continually expanding—science is once again unknowingly agreeing with one of Seth's explanations of a facet of reality (probable lives). I didn't notice a mention of one reality being any more valuable that another, only that 'we' (the 'us' we know) choose to follow this path that we are on and our other constantly multiplying probable selves make other choices and go on their own ways.

I'm traveling out of the country right now, may not have much access to internet in a couple of days. But I'm looking forward to the 'expansion' of this discussion. :)


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Len, no I don't have a reference. Are you sure Seth said that there are an infinite number of probable realities?
I suppose this could be a limitation of the human mind. What we are accustomed to is a limited number of options and we choose what we feel is best. If there were an infinite number of options I would be paralysed with indecision.

P.S. Sorry, I wanted to quote your entire post, but the forum software did something different.

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'Each person, for example, is born with his or her uniquely individual set of characteristics and abilities, likes and dislikes. Those serve to organize individual action in a world where an infinite number of probable roads are open - and here again, private impulses are basically meant to guide each individual toward avenues of expression and probable activities suited best to his or her development. They are meant, therefore, as aids to help organize action, and to set free will more effectively into motion. Otherwise, free will would be almost inoperable in practical terms: Individuals would be faced by so many choices that any decisions would be nearly impossible. Essentially, the individual would have no particular leaning toward any one action over any other.' D,E, & VF Session 904

This quote follows info about acts and choices within time, and 'a new brilliant focus' available once man moved from the dream realms to physical reality. And how the focus within time forces decisions to be made and experienced sequentially, whereas 'in an out-of-time reference, theoretically speaking now, an infinite number of directions can be followed at once.' (all from the same session as above)

Again, it seems we are in a training ground, taking one step at a time before multiple paths unfold, and can be created and followed simultaneously.

Len

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and here again, private impulses are basically meant to guide each individual toward avenues of expression and probable activities suited best to his or her development. They are meant, therefore, as aids to help organize action, and to set free will more effectively into motion. Otherwise, free will would be almost inoperable in practical terms: Individuals would be faced by so many choices that any decisions would be nearly impossible. Essentially, the individual would have no particular leaning toward any one action over any other.'
Len, so what this quote is saying is that although an infinite number of probable roads is THEORETICALLY available, in practice "private impulses" limit the number of choices. I can go with that.

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More from Seth on Free Will and natural impulses:

'Both men and molecules dwell in a field of probabilities, and their
paths are not determined. The vast reality of probabilities makes the
existence of free will possible. If probabilities did not exist, and if you
were not to some degree aware of probable actions and events, not only
could you not choose between them, but you would not of course have
any feelings of choice (intently). You would be unaware of the entire
issue.

(9:03.) Through your mundane conscious choices, you affect all of
the events of your world, so that the mass world is the result of
multitudinous individual choices. You could not make choices at all if you
did not feel impulses to do this or that, so that choices usually involve you
in making decisions between various impulses. Impulses are urges toward
action. Some are conscious and some are not. Each cell of your body feels
(underlined) the impulse toward action, response, and communication.
You have been taught not to trust your impulses. Now impulses, however,
help you to develop events of natural power. Impulses in children teach
them to develop their muscles and minds [each] in their own unique
manner. And as you will see, those impulses of a private nature are
nevertheless also based upon the greater situation of the species and the
planet, so that "ideally" the fulfillment of the individual would
automatically lead to the better good of the species……….

Psychologically, your impulses are as vital to your being as your
physical organs are. They are as altruistic, or unselfish, as your physical
organs are (intently), and I would like that sentence read several times.
And yet each impulse is suited and tailored directly to the individual who
feels it. Ideally (underlined), by following your impulses you would feel
the shape, the impulsive shape (as Ruburt says) of your life. You would
not spend time wondering what your purpose was, for it would make
itself known to you, as you perceived the direction in which your natural
impulses led, and felt yourself exert power in the world through such
actions. Again, impulses are doorways to action, satisfaction, the exertion
of natural mental and physical power, the avenue for your private
expression — the avenue where your private expression intersects the
physical world and impresses it.'

(The INDIVIDUAL and the NATURE of MASS EVENTS , Chapter 8 )

From <https://archive.org/stream/RandomSethQuotes2/Jane-Roberts-A-Seth-Book-The-Individual-and-the-Nature-of-mass-events_djvu.txt>

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Psychologically, your impulses are as vital to your being as your physical organs are. They are as altruistic, or unselfish, as your physical organs are (intently), and I would like that sentence read several times. And yet each impulse is suited and tailored directly to the individual who feels it. Ideally (underlined), by following your impulses you would feel the shape, the impulsive shape (as Ruburt says) of your life. You would not spend time wondering what your purpose was, for it would make itself known to you, as you perceived the direction in which your natural impulses led, and felt yourself exert power in the world through such actions. Again, impulses are doorways to action, satisfaction, the exertion of natural mental and physical power, the avenue for your private expression — the avenue where your private expression intersects the physical world and impresses it.'

I feel that's a very powerful statement and the key to life. I've hard a hard time following my impulses throughout my life, as I was raised to equate being impulsive with being irresponsible and selfish. I need to tape that quote to my mirror.

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Having witnessed serious illnesses in both humans and animals close to me, this was reassurance that while we agree to play a part in the situation, we in no way caused it:

Question to Barrie: If I believe that I create my own reality, and I do believe that most days, and I discover that my dog has epilepsy, then I must believe that I have created that. So I now feel that I have hurt the dog by my beliefs. How do I acquire a more positive take on this? I feel tremendously responsible for the epilepsy, but I don't know how to turn it into a positive thing.

Barrie: You create your own reality, but you don't create your dog's reality. Your dog created the epilepsy for him/her self, for whatever reasons. Your reality is that you "agreed" with the dog to own a dog who would eventually get epilepsy. Your beliefs did not cause the epilepsy in the dog any more than the dog's beliefs would cause your stomach virus, twisted ankle, or any other malady you may have gotten or eventually may get. The positive take on this is that it is not your fault in any way. Also, the spirit and personality of your dog, and the joys he/she has given you, will always live.

If and when your dog dies it is simply transforming into another form of energy we humans cannot physically perceive. He or she is leaving the camouflage of physical reality, but will still be as alive as you or me, or Seth. When some illness like this enters your life try to examine what feelings come up. If you feel guilt, even tho you are not to blame, perhaps there are other areas in your life that you feel guilt and you are also not to blame. Perhaps your dog is choosing to help you to examine or reexamine certain spiritual beliefs or ideas--such as illness, death, or separation.

Ideas, which once further examined by you, will help you in other areas of your life and in other relationships. Animals know there is no death as do we human folks, deep down. Why your dog chose epilepsy I can't tell you. I can say you are totally free from any blame or guilt in the situation. To learn more about the events, I suggest, as I always do, to ask yourself each night to have a dream which will give you some answers and then keep a notebook by your bed. Each night write down any dreams you remember regardless if there seems to be any connections to your question. It may also be interesting to examine what epilepsy itself means to you, and what other illnesses you have come across in your family, loved ones, friends or self as well as what separations have you experienced or do you fear to experience and why. Do some thinking and stream-of-consciousness writing on these issues. See what comes up and relax, have fun and enjoy yourself, and your dog's knowing you two love each other and especially know that you have caused no harm in any way.

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Deb, the problem as I see it with "the infinite expansion of probable realities" is that it seems to be incompatible with the creation of value. Each individual conscious being co-operates with All That Is in the creation of more and more scenarios which give value to life. If there are an infinite number of probable realities, how can you say that one reality is more valuable than another?

Hi Sena...I just saw this thread right now on June 26, 2018...but I'll respond...better late than never...especially since both don't actually exist in the expansive reality. In any case, from the point of view of EACH probable reality--EACH ONE is the most valuable one--and ALL the others are the nonphysical probable realities. Thus, OUR REALITY right now, is one of the infinite numbers of probable realities to OTHER probable realities. They are ALL of equal importance to the Oversoul or Whole Self or whatever...because the Oversoul learns from all of them. Also, you gotta add into the mix the infinite numbers of ongoing DREAM realities--and remember that each probable reality has its share of ongoing dream realities and each dream reality its ongoing infinite probable realities on into infinity. They/We are ALL of equal importance from the perspective within each one.

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Len, no I don't have a reference. Are you sure Seth said that there are an infinite number of probable realities?
I suppose this could be a limitation of the human mind. What we are accustomed to is a limited number of options and we choose what we feel is best. If there were an infinite number of options I would be paralysed with indecision.

P.S. Sorry, I wanted to quote your entire post, but the forum software did something different.

Hi again, Sena & everyone. This is something I wrote back on 8-29-04. It starts with a longish Seth excerpt, and then I go to discuss that one and other shorter Seth quotes about infinite probable realities:

According to Seth, there are infinite numbers of probable realities...each one with a "me" (see Session 684 excerpt below & my comments).

Following are some things said Seth on probabilities and infinity, answering some questions we all may have. I have made a few comments on two quotes. The others I have been silent on--and I look forward to comments from any interested parties.

The following quotes are put in numerical Session order. Also, I put the use of the term INFINITY in CAPS for emphasis.

Anything else in CAPS means that it was originally underlined in the book:

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Seth (Session 357): “Think in terms of energy being action.

“Energy is action. It must act and move. It constantly seeks to know itself, and to expand. It cannot remain static. Its survival is dependent upon change. Its very permanency is determined by its nature, and its nature demands con¬stant change.

“Energy or action is composed of an infinity of itself, and yet, forever act¬ing upon itself, it forms forever new portions of itself. Each action causes anoth¬er. Now until we have done more talking you will simply have to take my word, for the sake of our discussion—our one-way discussion—that any action or energy possesses consciousness seeking to know itself, therefore; and acting within itself it forms new consciousnesses that are individual and independent, and yet connected to every other consciousness.

“The purpose is the expansion of consciousness itself, and this automati¬cally leads to the knowledge that every consciousness is connected to every other, and that any harm to one is harm to all. Time simply does not exist as a series of moments. This is three-dimensional illusion. Therefore in actuality no one life is lived before nor after another.

“Action acts spontaneously. In three-dimensional existence you must speak of reincarnation in terms of continuous lives, for it seems to you as if there is indeed a past, present and future. Imagine then action or energy which is con¬scious, exploding into bloom like some gigantic cosmic flower, spontaneously, instantaneously, and intuitively.

“You however would view this in slow motion, so that eons of time would seem to have passed. And yet energy or action, which is consciousness, is always changing, and the shape of the flower and the blossom would constantly change. Energy can never be lost but only change its form.

“The consciousness therefore would never be destroyed in reality. The most minute blossom within it would experience only an almost instantaneous change of form, and all of this would transpire in the breath of an instant. The individual petals would merely change, as the personalities of men change in what seems like a series of before and after reincarnations.

“And no memory, you see, would ever be lost, and nor is any memory lost. The personality that you have now is simply the flower of the moment, not real¬izing that it has the knowledge of its own past histories; and all of this would be but one cosmic flower. Energy constantly renews itself. The various flowers could then be compared to the various dimensions through which action and consciousness know their own reality. The expansion of consciousness automatically leads you to understanding and compassion.”

Barrie Comments: I believe that the infinite expansion of consciousness to which Seth refers when he talks of action actually relates to the creation of probable realities.
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Seth (Session 438): The nature of any given probable action does not lead to any particular inevitable act. Probabilities expand in terms of value fulfillment. One given act does not necessarily lead, then, to act A, B and C, onward to some concluding action. Instead, it has offshoots in INFINITE directions, and these have offshoots.

Seth (Session 530): "After death in your terms, you are quite free perceptively. The future appears as clearly as the past. Even this is highly complicated, however, for there is not just one past. You accept as real only certain classifications of events and ignore others. We have mentioned events. There are also probable pasts, therefore, that exist quite outside of your comprehension. You choose one particular group of these, and latch upon this group of events as the only ones possible, not realizing that you have selected from an INFINITE variety of past events."

Seth (Session 531):  "At a very simple level, for example, your consciousness leaves your body often in the sleep state. You communicate with people in other levels of reality that you have known, but far beyond this, you creatively maintain and revitalize your physical image. You process daily experience, project it into what you think of as the future, choose from an INFINITY of probable events those you will make physical, and begin the mental and psychic processes that will bring them into the world of substance."

Seth (Session 565):  "The soul can be described for that matter, as a multidimensional, INFINITE act, each minute probability being brought somewhere into actuality and existence; an INFINITE creative act that creates for itself infinite dimensions in which fulfillment is possible."

Barrie Comments: This quote is significant because one question brought up is what causes a probable reality to be created? Only the important things? But how would you know what was going to be important or not--unless you explored all the infinite probabilities. In any case, here is Seth saying that EACH MINUTE PROBABILITY is brought into actuality and existence. I guess it makes sense, you do need a ‘large’ number to be infinite--and it seems limited probable reality creations to only some events--would not approach infinite numbers.

Here is where the "impossible" probable realities are being addressed. Somewhere it IS actualized into existence--altho not on our known, shared physical reality. Thus, there IS a "place" where each probable reality exists--including the "impossible" ones--like those in which we have 10 arms and re-grow lost limbs on our whim.

These realities exist, I believe, in the tiny superstring realm...which is a HUGE distance from us--yet still in our livingroom. I also believe there is a connection with DEEP SPACE and these tiny superstring realms--but I can't put it into words yet. But "out there" is "in there"--the two exist.

Somehow, if we WERE able to travel INTO the tiny superstring dimensions--we would find ourselves FAR OUT in deep space simultaneous being "large-sized" again--altho we started out getting smaller & smaller into the tiny dimension. There is a point where smaller becomes larger again--in ways I do not know. And I'm not even sure of what I am saying--but I know it makes sense--even in the form I getting the information.

Seth (Session 669): "In waking reality, beliefs take time before their materialization is apparent. From INFINITE probable acts, only one can be physically experienced as a rule."

Seth (Session 684): The precious privacy of your existence, and indeed of your universe, is all the more miraculous, so to speak, precisely because its probable reality emerges from an INFINITE field of probabilities, each FOREVER INVIOLATE (UNDERLINED).

Barrie Comments: I looked it up in the dictionary: “Forever inviolate” means that it forever remains intact. In other words, here is Seth directly stating that each probable reality carries on--and doesn’t just end or die out after your ‘choice’ is made about what to physicalize. In order for it to carry on--there has to be a "me" or a "you" in it. Thus, if the probable realities are infinite, then there must be "infinite" me's (& you's) in them, experiencing them in their ongoing fashion.

And the thing is, and this is what I find mindblowing, but fun: Each probable reality of these infinite numbers--keep ENDLESSLY creating their own "new" infinite numbers of probable realities as each "me" in them--faces the "next" choice to make. In order to make that choice I would need to explore a new set of infinite probabilies. And these would, in turn, create new infinite probabilities. So, these infinite probabilies keep forever explanding or blossoming in a geometric fashion--if that is the right term.

And, that is not all--it does NOT end there. Add to this the INFINITE number of inviolate DREAM REALITIES--which also keep geometrically forever expanding--as each of the infinite numbers of probable selves go to sleep & dream.

And, of course, what about the probable realities creating by the dream selves--when they have to make a decision?

Infinity is a lot.

Seth (Session 557):  "There are, therefore, many other equally valid, equally real evolutionary developments that have occurred and are occurring and will occur, all within other probable systems of physical reality. The diverse, endless possibilities of development possible could never appear within one slender framework of reality."

Seth (Session 560):  If you will try to accept the idea that your own existence is multidimensional, that you dwell within the medium of INFINITE probabilities, then you may catch a glimpse of the reality that is behind the word "god", and you may understand why it is almost impossible to capture a true understanding of that concept in words.

Seth (Session 658): Think of the present as a pool of experience drawn from many sources, fed, in your terms, by tributaries from both the past and the future. There are an INFINITE number of such tributaries (probabilities), and through your beliefs you choose from these, adjusting their currents.

Seth (Session 740): If you would identify with your own psychological reality, following the inward structure of thoughts and feelings, you would discover an inward psychological INFINITY. These "INFINITIES" would reach of course into both an INFINITE past and future. Yet true INFINITY reaches far beyond past or future, and into all probabilities - not simply straightforward into time, or backward.

Seth (Session 789): In the predream state you directly encounter a reality in which those probabilities exist all at once to your perception. In a dazzling display you are aware of such events from INFINITE perspectives. Consciously you could not grasp such information, much less act upon it, nor could you maintain your particular, unique, psychological stance. You still take advantage of that level of being, however, using that immeasurable data as a basis to form the reality that you know.

Seth (Session 823): “Each of you, with your beliefs and intents, tell the inner ego which of an INFINITE number of probable events you want to encounter. In the dream state events from both frameworks are processed. The dream state involves not only a state of consciousness that exists between the two frameworks of reality, but also involves, in those terms, a connecting reality of its own.”

Be infinitely well & happy,
Barrie


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In the predream state you directly encounter a reality in which those probabilities exist all at once to your perception. In a dazzling display you are aware of such events from INFINITE perspectives.
barrie, thanks for gathering these mind-boggling quotes! You have certainly given us food for thought.

 

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