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"You... [are] becoming a conscious participator with the soul, in certain terms, becoming what your soul is."
—NoPR Chapter 9: Session 637, January 31, 1973

"Now, you have been what would now seem to you to be chaotic energy—forming universes. You have drifted through interstellar space, not knowing yourself. You have traveled for eons without attaining the knowledge of your identity. You have traveled without knowing who or what you were as elemental particles of consciousness. You have gathered your strength and individuality. You have learned to handle energy. You have added to your consciousness. You have become more aware. You have learned to some extent, some small extent to this time, the responsibility of creativity. You are evolving. Each of you is evolving the forms by which you will manifest yourself. You have come a long way from undifferentiated chaos, in your present terms, to what you are. Notice, I did not say you came from undifferentiated chaos, but what you would now regard as that."
—TECS2 ESP Class Session, March 17, 1970

"The species is in a state of transition, one of many. This one began, generally speaking, when the species tried to step apart from nature in order to develop the unique kind of consciousness that is presently your own. That consciousness is not a finished product, however, but one meant to change, [to] evolve and develop.” Certain artificial divisions were made along the way that must now be dispensed with."
—NoME Chapter 1: Session 805, May 16, 1977

"Now: ...you move into new areas of the self all of the time. The species is now entering such a phase, a period in which it will come more into its own. Mankind will be entering its own new house, then--but the physical changes will be the results of interior ones, and alterations in main lines of probabilities.

"Christian theology sees the end of the world in certain terms, with a grand God coming to reward the good and to punish the wicked. That system of belief allows for no other probability. Some see the end of the world coming as a greater disaster, or envision man finally ruining his planet. Others see periods of peace and advance--and each probability will happen "somewhere". However, many of my readers, or their offspring, will be involved in a new dimension of selfhood in which consciousness is fully explored and the potentials of the soul uncovered, at least to some extent.

"Human capabilities will be seen as what they are, and a great new period of development will occur, in which all concepts of selfhood and reality will be literally seen as "primitive superstition." The species will actually move into a new kind of selfhood.

"Theories of probabilities will be seen as practical, workable, psychological facts, giving leeway and freedom to the individual, who will no longer feel at the mercy of external events--but will realize instead that he (or she) is their initiator.

"Now, you squeeze the great fruit of your selfhood into a tiny uneasy pulp, unaware of the sweetness of its juices or the variety of its seasons. You look at the outsides of yourselves as if a peach were aware only of its skin. In the reality I foresee, however, people will become familiar with far greater aspects of themselves, and bring these into actualization. They will be in touch with their own decisions as they make them.

"If they become ill, they will do so knowing they choose the condition in order to emphasize certain areas of development, or to minimize others. They will be aware of their options, consciously. The great strength and resiliency of the body will be much better understood; not because medical science makes spectacular discoveries--though it will--but because the mind's alliance with the body will be seen more clearly.

"In this probability of which I speak, the species will begin to encounter the great challenge inherent in fulfilling the vast untouched (forcefully) potential of the human body and mind. (Long pause.) In that probable reality, to which each of you can belong to some extent, each person will recognize his or her inherent power of action and decision, and feel an individual sense of belonging with the physical world that springs up in response to individual desire and belief.

". . . but remember--you call this your universe and your reality, and it is indeed, for you form it. Within you also is the knowledge of other great experiments that are being tried, just as other probable systems are aware of the experiments you are involved with. I am speaking in your terms only, which means that to some extent I am hedging--but other civilizations have gone your route. Some have failed, but the inhabitants of some earths have succeeded very well.

"As you think of it, your future is not set. You can follow any road you choose, but--until you realize that as individuals you each form your own personal life, and have a part in the mass creation of reality--there is much learning ahead for you. This is a lesson you are meant to fully understand within physical reality.

"You are meant to judge physical reality. You are meant to realize that it is a materialization of your thoughts and feelings and images, that the inner self forms that world. In your terms, you cannot be allowed to go into other dimensions until you have learned the great power of your thoughts and subjective feelings. So even when you think you destroy, you destroy nothing. And when you think you kill, you kill nothing. When you imagine that you can annihilate a reality, you can only assault it as you know it. The reality itself will continue to exist.

"Because you cannot follow a thought, you wonder where it has gone; has it fallen off some invisible cliff in your mind? But because you can no longer hold that thought in consciousness does not mean it no longer exists, that it does not have a reality of its own, for it does indeed. And if a world escapes you--if you cannot follow it and think it has been destroyed--then the same thing applies to the world as to the thought. It continues to live."

—The Unknown Reality' Vol 2, Session 742

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"Christian theology sees the end of the world in certain terms, with a grand God coming to reward the good and to punish the wicked. That system of belief allows for no other probability. Some see the end of the world coming as a greater disaster, or envision man finally ruining his planet. Others see periods of peace and advance--and each probability will happen "somewhere". However, many of my readers, or their offspring, will be involved in a new dimension of selfhood in which consciousness is fully explored and the potentials of the soul uncovered, at least to some extent.

I really wonder about this. There are so many people fervently praying for "the end of days" as outlined in the book of revelations.
The Islamic people are also praying for their version of the same. Then there's the what I will loosely call the new ager's, who are claiming "Ascension" is right around the corner. 

With so many people envisioning such scenarios, I wonder/think how is this going to play out? What events are coming our way.
Then there's Dolores Cannon who swears there's going to be a split in humanity. The negatively oriented people will experience death and dying on a dying world. And the positively oriented people are going to a grand new life, on a New Earth!

I wonder myself if something like that is going to happen.

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    "Now: ...you move into new areas of the self all of the time. The species is now entering such a phase, a period in which it will come more into its own. Mankind will be entering its own new house, then--but the physical changes will be the results of interior ones, and alterations in main lines of probabilities.   

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"Because you cannot follow a thought, you wonder where it has gone; has it fallen off some invisible cliff in your mind? But because you can no longer hold that thought in consciousness does not mean it no longer exists, that it does not have a reality of its own, for it does indeed. And if a world escapes you--if you cannot follow it and think it has been destroyed--then the same thing applies to the world as to the thought. It continues to live."
 

I basically stopped watching tv and now just watch YouTube vids. Granted, that's probably not much better.
I came to the conclusion that likely 98% of the channels are pushing a fear message. I can't help wonder why?
I'm sure there are overall controllers of any and all media. Be it tv, YouTube and streaming, or books and other printed works.
I'm also sure they know how all this works, and we collectively, do not.
So why the fear?
I also can't help think of Abraham Hicks message that whenever one is negative, they are also fervently desirous of the positive.
Also that there is a massive stream of well being that surrounds all things, basically.
I also tend to think there's not many people right now that can actually create the way they want, and/or do that with any consistency and unpredictably

So are "they" trying to create a literal energy stream of hopefully, though perhaps somewhat disguised positivity?
Still, what will the collective output of this energy be, in events?

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With so many people envisioning such scenarios, I wonder/think how is this going to play out? What events are coming our way.

Personally I don't see those people rooting for the apocalypse affecting reality for everyone. I think about religion-based mass suicides in history, and I suppose for those folks there was a personal apocalypse as they did die en masse with others that shared their beliefs. It's similar to Seth talking about mass deaths in plane crashes, natural disasters, etc. in Mass Events. Those who are not willing participants will escape.

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I came to the conclusion that likely 98% of the channels are pushing a fear message. I can't help wonder why?

I have no training in psychology, so this is just my take on this. Money.

Fear is used as a way to manipulate people. Religion has always used fear to keep people in line AND be financially supported. Government does the same. Pharma and Media do it because fear also sells. If It Bleeds, It Leads: Understanding Fear-Based Media. And just listen to any pharmaceutical commercial. If we buy into it, we become life-long consumers. Session 805, Mass Events is loaded with information.

"Your “medical commercials” are equally disease-promoting. Many, meaning to offer you relief through a product, instead actually promote the condition through suggestion, thereby generating a need for the product itself."
—NoME Chapter 2: Session 805, May 16, 1977

"The breast cancer suggestions associated with self-examinations have caused more cancers than any treatments have cured (most emphatically)."
—NoME Chapter 2: Session 805, May 16, 1977

I would say that one of the strongest, THE strongest, instinct in living things is survival. And I think that's why the fear works. Morbid fascination for the negative stuff could be because of this strong instinct—people feel a need to look out for their safety. We've been turned away from trusting our bodies, trusting nature, trusting life. From the news article I linked above (it's a good article worth a read, they even go into the logic behind misinformation and failure to fact-check):

"Fear-based news programming has two aims. The first is to grab the viewer's attention. In the news media, this is called the teaser. The second aim is to persuade the viewer that the solution for reducing the identified fear will be in the news story."

The same works for religion, pharma, government: convince people there is something to fear and then offer a solution. In religion, support the church and you get heaven and redemption, pharma touts relief from symptoms via medication, vaccinations to prevent disease, pills to prolong health, quality of life and longevity (viagra, blood pressure, cholesterol), we pay government to protect us from harm by enemies, our food, deceitful advertising. I'll stop now.

I think once more people realize the truth behind fear-based propaganda, they will see the obvious pattern and not get so caught up in the sensationalism. I no longer have TV service, just internet, so watch Netflix, YouTube as well.

There's an old topic here, Watching the News Dilemma that you might find interesting.

Here's a quote I've been holding onto a while, just added it to that old thread. There's more—just click on Seth's name to go there.

Quote from: Seth
"The tragedies of the newspapers are symbols…. Those symbols represent 'real' tragedies, but those tragedies do not exist in your moment unless you are participating in them.

“Those who are involved in such tragedies feel a sense of hopelessness and the loss of power in the present—and you do not help them by taking on the guise of hopelessness!

"What I am saying this evening is indeed simplified . . . but you must operate from strength, not from weakness. When you stand upon a firm shore, you can extend your arm to the man who is in quicksand.
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Hi Deb,

That could well be, the financial aspect. The article is an interesting read, and a good part of the reason I quite watching the news.
I also remember Seth's admonitions from NoME as well. That's probably the start of where I started listening to my body more, and stopped taking simple over the counter medications.

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Hi Deb,

I like and completely agree with what you say in your first post on this topic.

In addition to this, I think we are also headed in the direction that Seth described in Seth Speaks, Session 586, where he talks about the changes that'll occur as a result of the metamorphosis that will take place during the life of the second coming of Christ, within the next 100 years or so.

In this session, Seth mentions that many of our problems today occur due to spiritual ignorance.  After this metamorphosis occurs, Seth says that people will become aware of their pasts lives for example. After this occurs, people will no longer practice racism or sexism, knowing full well that in a previous life, they were, in fact, a member of some other race or sex. 

He also says that family dynamics will be different as children will remember that past life experiences as adults, while adults will retain the flexibility of the children that they were in previous lives.

I believe that this is where we, as a species are headed, whether we get there through the future that contains this second coming event or a different probable future.

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Thanks jb. That first quote ("You have drifted through interstellar space, not knowing yourself. You have traveled for eons without attaining the knowledge of your identity. You have traveled without knowing who or what you were as elemental particles of consciousness. You have gathered your strength and individuality. You have learned to handle energy. You have added to your consciousness. You have become more aware. You have learned to some extent, some small extent to this time, the responsibility of creativity. You are evolving.") speaks volumes to me. That's powerful/empowering stuff. It's "at first I was blind but now I see" stuff.

To me it says there is hope for humanity. And to me, hope is a beautiful thing. But then I guess that makes me the cup half-full type.

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Hi Deb,

Regarding the cup half full comment, me to.

I believe that there's real power in hope and faith. This is the power of "expectation" which is one of the fundamental concepts applicable to creating your reality.

Cup Half Full,  all the way.  :) 

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He also says that family dynamics will be different as children will remember that past life experiences as adults, while adults will retain the flexibility of the children that they were in previous lives.
jbseth,

Would you be able to pinpoint the Seth quote on this?

It reminds me of something odd that our 5-year-old grand-daughter said to my wife and myself. She said this with a very serious face: "When I was little, I stole food from my mum and dad. I poured water on them." I asked, "How could you pour water on them when you were little?". She said it was when they were carrying her.
"Pouring water" could be interpreted as peeing, so nothing odd in that, but their home has never been short of food, so why should she steal food? I think the most likely explanation is that she was referring to a previous life, either in a poor country or during wartime when there was a shortage of food. It is interesting that she chose to tell us this when neither of her parents were in the room. Our son and daughter-in-law would not like any talk of reincarnation.

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It reminds me of something odd that our 5-year-old grand-daughter said to my wife and myself.

Wow, interesting. And that reminds me of something my son said when he was about 3. We were in the car, he was in his booster seat behind me, and we were talking about something I can't remember. He said "Mommy, you are SO much nicer than my last parents. I love you." When I asked him what he meant, he said "you know, the last time." That gave me chills. It was before my exposure to Seth and I had not given any thought to reincarnation at that point.

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The idea that consciousness is universal is certainly there in Seth. I'll think differently about the fish in our pond!

Hah! We have a pond and I now think differently even about the rocks around mine!

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Would you be able to pinpoint the Seth quote on this?

Is there something here? Maybe a place to start... It's late for me, in the morning I'll take a closer look at Session 586.

"Human personality will reap benefits that now would seem unbelievable. An open-ended consciousness will imply far greater freedom. From birth, children will be taught that basic identity is not dependent upon the body, and that time as you know it is an illusion. The child will be aware of many of its past existences, and will be able to identify with the old man or woman that in your terms it will become."
—SS Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

"As these changes come about, new areas will be activated in the brain to physically take care of them. Physically then, brain mappings will be possible in which past-life memories are evoked. All of these alterations are spiritual changes in which the meaning of religion will escape organizational bounds, become a living part of individual existence, and where psychic frameworks rather than physical ones form the foundations for civilization. (Pause, eyes closed, at 11:05.)"
—SS Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

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And that reminds me of something my son said when he was about 3. We were in the car, he was in his booster seat behind me, and we were talking about something I can't remember. He said "Mommy, you are SO much nicer than my last parents. I love you." When I asked him what he meant, he said "you know, the last time."
Deb,
There is not much doubt that your son was referring to a previous life. Memories of a previous life usually come up between the ages of 2 and 7. After that the memories are repressed. Have you read Ian Stevenson on reincarnation?

https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/research/ian-stevenson.html

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The child will be aware of many of its past existences, and will be able to identify with the old man or woman that in your terms it will become."
Deb, thanks for these quotes. I must re-read Seth Speaks.

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Hi All,

As I understand it, Dr. Stevenson, was studying parapsychological phenomenon (including reincarnation) from a university standpoint.

There have been many others who have also reported on reincarnation as well. People like Brian Weiss, Delores Cannon, and Michael Newton who have looked into this concept from the results of peoples past life regression experience.

Then again there's individual personal life experience's such as those reported by Deb, with her son, and Sena, with his granddaughter.

One of my favorite books regarding a personal life experience of reincarnation, is the book "Soul Survivor". This is the story of a little boy who recalled his previous life in pretty amazing detail. In this previous life, this little boy recalled being an American Navy pilot, during WW2. It's really awesome.

https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Survivor-Reincarnation-World-Fighter/dp/0446509345/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534955295&sr=8-1&keywords=soul+survivor

With so much other supporting data out there that supports the concept of reincarnation, I personally have no issues with accepting Seth's statements that reincarnation exists.   :)

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With so much other supporting data out there that supports the concept of reincarnation, I personally have no issues with accepting Seth's statements that reincarnation exists. 
jbseth,

Yes, there is no doubt that reincarnation does occur, but questions remain. One question I have is what proportion of people now living will get re-incarnated? In view of the current over-population of the Earth and environmental degradation, I would imagine that only a small proportion of those now living will be re-incarnated. I personally would not like to come back to a polluted earth.

This is where Seth differs from the Buddhist idea of karma. According to Buddhism an individual has no choice in the matter of rebirth, while according to Seth re-incarnation is a joint decision taken by an individual and his "Entity".

By the way, this is the new address for the Seth search engine:

https://findingseth.com/

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In view of the current over-population of the Earth and environmental degradation, I would imagine that only a small proportion of those now living will be re-incarnated
Remember that per Seth, reincarnation is not limited to our idea of time. Your "next" reincarnation might be 5,000 years ago or even in the current time somewhere else in the world.

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Have you read Ian Stevenson on reincarnation?

No I haven't, thanks for the tip. I found his Twenty Cases book as a free PDF, was able to take a look at some of it already. He's very thorough as far as presenting it as scientific research, very detailed on how the information was vetted. The Soul Survivor book also sounds really interesting, it's probably an easier read too. I read some of the comments on Amazon. Sounds incredible!

As far as my son, it's a little funny that now that he's an adult (23) he does not believe in anything spiritual at all. He's the argumentative skeptical atheist, picked that up in high school. Only pure science for him! Once I asked him about his comment from when he was 3 and he said he was probably just yanking my chain. A 3 year old? Nah.

About coming back again, Seth and I think even Michael Newton said that it's a choice and some identities decide to not come back, some have finished their reincarnational cycle, some take a "vacation" and become a tree or go visit another reality. I've often thought I don't want to come back, but maybe things will look different to me from the "other side." Maybe I'll see something that's a problem here and decide to come back and work on fixing the problem.

I don't imagine people unwillingly come back to earth, there seems to be a strong need for accomplishment and learning. At least that's what I got from reading Newton.


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Your "next" reincarnation might be 5,000 years ago or even in the current time somewhere else in the world.
Larry, thanks for your comment. What I am questioning is whether there has to be a "next" reincarnation.

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As far as my son, it's a little funny that now that he's an adult (23) he does not believe in anything spiritual at all.
Deb, our son is just like that, but he is now 42 and I suspect he may have some interest in spiritual things, but he is not going to admit it!

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Maybe I'll see something that's a problem here and decide to come back and work on fixing the problem.

Not necessarily a problem. If I was shown a clear and worthwhile task that needed doing, I might decide to come back.
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