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Offline Sena

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"It behoved that there should be sin; but all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well."
(Julian of Norwich)

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Julian_of_Norwich

It's great that she has not been officially made a saint by the Roman Catholic or Anglican Churches.

"Julian has never been canonised as a saint by the Anglican Church, but since 1980 has been commemorated with a feast day on 8 May. The Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church also commemorate her on 8 May."
"She has not been formally beatified or canonised in the Roman Catholic Church, so she is not currently listed in the Roman Martyrology or on the liturgical calendar of the Catholic Church in England and Wales. However, she is popularly venerated by Catholics as a holy woman of God, and is therefore at times referred to as "Saint", "Blessed", or "Mother" Julian."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_of_Norwich

How I understand this quote is that Julian is saying that nobody will go to "hell", and I think that is why she has not been canonised.
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Quote from: Sena
How I understand this quote is that Julian is saying that nobody will go to "hell", and I think that is why she has not been canonised.

You have a point there. These quotes from your link:

"Our Lord God shewed that a deed shall be done, and Himself shall do it, and I shall do nothing but sin, and my sin shall not hinder His Goodness working."

"Sin is no deed."

I have an issue with the "I shall do nothing but sin" part (original sin). Very disheartening. I have no room for religion in my life. All shall be well :).


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Hi All,

In, “The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events” Chapter 4, Session 826, in talking about Framework 2, Seth says, “Again, however, Framework 2 is not neutral, but automatically inclined toward what we will here term good or constructive developments. It is a growth medium. Constructive or “positive” feelings or thoughts are more easily materialized than “negative” ones, because they are in keeping with Framework 2’s characteristics.

and all shall be well.    :)

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Hi Sena,

In your post above, you said, ”How I understand this quote is that Julian is saying that nobody will go to "hell", and I think that is why she has not been canonised.”

I don’t know much about the requirements for canonization, but I can definitely see how some people might view her comments as not being in line with that of the “official” Roman Catholic Church. Especially, given what Seth had to say about the Catholic Churches views on revelation, the saints and women (see Seth quote below).


Along with this, you also said, "Julian has never been canonised as a saint by the Anglican Church, but since 1980 has been commemorated with a feast day on 8 May. The Episcopal Church and the Evangelical Lutheran Church also commemorate her on 8 May."

I find it interesting that these churches commemorate her on May 8th, which was Jane Roberts birthday.



Seth quote from “The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events”, Ch 7, Session 853:

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(10:03.) The Catholic Church taught that revelation was dangerous. Intellectual and psychic obedience was much the safer road, and even the saints were slightly suspect. Women were inferiors, and in matters of religion and philosophy most of all, for there their creativity could be most disruptive. Women were considered hysterics, aliens to the world of intellectual thought, swayed instead by incomprehensible womanish emotions. Women were to be handled by wearing down their energies through childbirth.

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Offline Sena

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I find it interesting that these churches commemorate her on May 8th, which was Jane Roberts birthday.
jbseth, that is very interesting. A previous incarnation? Julian was an "anchorite", meaning that she had voluntarily confined herself to a cell in the church of St.Julian. As we know, Jane also had mobility problems.

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The Catholic Church taught that revelation was dangerous. Intellectual and psychic obedience was much the safer road, and even the saints were slightly suspect. Women were inferiors, and in matters of religion and philosophy most of all

I understand Julian is becoming something of a feminist icon.
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I have an issue with the "I shall do nothing but sin" part (original sin). Very disheartening.
Deb, I personally do not think it is worth my while to delve into more of Julian's teachings. We don't know how much of her writings were tampered with by the "authorities". As for what she says about "sin", how I understand it is that so-called sin is a normal part of human life. When I was a practising Catholic, I used to "examine my conscience" for bad thoughts. I don't do that now!

 

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