The "Aspect Psychology" Series (c. 1975 - 1981)

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Written by Jane Roberts

Adventures in Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology (c. 1975)

Psychic Politics: An Aspect Psychology Book (c. 1976)

The God of Jane: A Psychic Manifesto (c. 1981)

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Reviews or other comments and opinions posted under this topic can be about this group of books in general or about a specific one.



Monica

I bought Adventures in Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology today. I think it must be the original print, since it says (c. 1975). My impulse 'suggested' a course home that meant I walked past a bookshop, that sells second-hand books, in the city, that I impulsively went into, thinking "I'll check and see if they've got any Jane Roberts books in as I've bought some here before". They had two copies of this book, 1975 for $11 and another, presumably later published copy, for $30.

I haven't started on it yet in full-serious-reading mode, but I've dipped in here and there and developed a sense of the pieces of the text I've had a read of, and how I may bring them to a combined pattern. 


Deb

Quote from: MonicaMy impulse 'suggested' a course home that meant I walked past a bookshop

I love when that happens! I too have a used copy of the book (© 1999), have only skipped through it at this point so am looking forward to what you have to say. I've been reading Unknown Reality 2 while traveling and the Adventures book is mentioned many times, to the point where I'd wished I'd brought that book with me as well.


Deb

May 01, 2020, 06:19:17 PM #3 Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 07:14:16 PM by Deb
I started listening to Psychic Politics a few days ago and have been blown away by the book. I'd resisted reading it for a while because the title didn't sound interesting, but after having recently finished Nature of the Psyche I decided to get into this one. I've also started re-reading Conversations With Seth. I read this very early on, and I think I'll get a lot more out of it now that I have a lot more Seth under my belt. But that will be another topic.

So far not anything like the title sounds, better. Jane starts off writing about how she felt out of touch with her inner self, she asks her inner self to please get in touch... and is met with silence. Then one day she had a vision—the "library." She saw another version of herself in the library, and felt that the books represented the books she was meant to write or transcribe here in our existence. She started getting messages from her other self that Jane realized were intended to be this book.

She also started having altered consciousness experiences where she was able to see "more" in her surroundings and people, in that she could see beyond their 3D appearances into more of a multidimensional vision in that she could see both their F1 and F2 attributes. Things shimmered, people appeared "more" of themselves, she could sense her surroundings from a deeper and richer perspective. I wish I had the book in Kindle or PDF so I could copy her descriptions, they were far more interesting than what I'm writing here. I have a printed copy of the book, but typing all of it would take forever.

One great thing is that Seth explains some of what's going on in UR2, and Rob also added excerpts from the PP to UR2, and I can share them. It's also interesting to read Jane's account of what she went through with this supernatural vision, and then some things Rob added in UR about the experience from his perspective.

[spoiler=Jane from Rob's note in Session 715, UR2]

"Words aren't describing this at all. Each person who passes the car is more than three-dimensional, super-real in this time, but part of a 'model' of a greater self. . . and each person's reality is obviously and clearly more than three-dimensional. I know I'm repeating myself here, but it's as if before I've seen only a part of people or things. The world is so much more solid right now that by contrast my earlier experience of it is like a shoddy version, made up of disconnected dots or blurred focus. ..."
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[spoiler=Seth in Session 715, UR2]
I said at our last session that the evening was momentous for Ruburt, and that is true for many reasons. This book deals with the unknown reality, and Ruburt began a different excursion into other dimensions last week.

I hope in these sessions to show the indivisible connections between the experience of the psyche at various levels and the resulting experience in terms of varying systems — each valid, each to some extent or another bearing on the life you know.

Ruburt has allowed a portion of his this-life consciousness to go off on a tangent, so to speak, on another path into another system of actuality (i.e., into his psychic library). His life there is as valid as his existence in your world. In the waking state he is able, now, to alter the direction of his focus precisely enough to bring about a condition in which he perceives both realities simultaneously. He is just beginning, so as yet he is only occasionally conscious of that other experience. He is, however, aware of it now in the back of his mind more or less constantly. It does not intrude upon the world that he knows, but enriches it.

The concepts in "Unknown" Reality will help expand the consciousness of each of its readers, and the work itself is presented in such a manner that it automatically pulls your awareness out of its usual grooves, so that it bounces back and forth between the standardized version of the world you accept, and the unofficial versions that are sensed but generally unknown to you.

Now as Ruburt delivers this material, the same thing happens in a different way to him, so that in some respects he has been snapping back and forth between dimensions, practicing with the elasticity of his consciousness; and in this book more than in previous ones his consciousness has been sent out further, so to speak. The delivery of the material itself has helped him to develop the necessary flexibility for his latest pursuits.

Clear understanding or effective exploration of the unknown reality can be achieved only when you are able to leave behind you many "facts" that you have accepted as criteria of experience. "Unknown" Reality is also written in such a way that it will, I hope, bring many of your cherished beliefs about existence into question. Then you will be able to look even at this existence with new eyes.

Ruburt is taking this new step from your perspective, and from that standpoint he is doing two things. (At a slower pace:) He is consciously entering into another room of the psyche, and also entering into the reality that corresponds to it. This brings the two experiences together so that they coincide. They are held, however, both separately and in joint focus. As a rule you use one particular level of awareness, and this correlates all of your conscious activities. I told you that the physical body itself was able to pick up other neurological messages beside those to which you usually react. Now let me add that when a certain proficiency is reached in alterations of consciousness, this allows you to become practically familiar with some of these other neurological messages. In such a way Ruburt is able to physically perceive what he is doing in his "library."

He first saw this library from the inside last Wednesday. He was simultaneously himself here in this living room, watching the image of himself in a library room, and he was the self in the library. Period. Before him he saw a wall of books, and the self in the living room suddenly knew that his purpose here in this reality was to recreate some of those books. He knew that he was working at both levels. The unknown and the known realities merged, clicked in, and were seen as the opposite sides of each other.

He has been working with me for some time, in your terms, yet I do not "control" his subjective reality in any way. I have certainly been a teacher to him. Yet his progress is always his own challenge and responsibility, and basically what he does with my teaching is up to him. (Humorously:) In parentheses: (Right now I give him an A.)

(Pause at 10:01.) Like many, however, he was brought up to believe that the intellect's function was mainly to dissect, criticize, and analyze, rather than for instance to creatively unite and build, colon: and analysis was thought of as separating the elements of a concept rather than restricting original concepts. New concepts were thought of as intuitional or psychic, as opposed to the conventional duties of the intellect, so the two seemed separate. Therefore, Ruburt felt duty-bound to question any intuitive construct most vigorously as a matter of principle. This actually provided an excellent transitory working method, for what he thought of as intuitions would instantly come up with a new psychic construct in answer to what he thought of as intellectual scrutiny and skepticism. Period.

Actually, the intellect and intuitions go hand in hand. In Ruburt's experience, the two finally began to work together as they should. What I call the high intellect then took over, a superb blend of intuitional and intellectual abilities working together so that they almost seem to form a new faculty (intently).

The development freed Ruburt from many old limitations, and allowed him to at last have practical experience with the unknown reality in intimate terms. Ruburt's library does exist as surely as this room does. It also exists as unsurely as this room. It is one thing to be theoretically convinced that other worlds exist, and to take a certain comfort and joy from the idea It is quite another thing to find yourself in such an environment, and to feel the worlds coincide. Reality is above all practical, so when you expand your concepts concerning the nature of reality, you are apt then to find yourselves scandalized, appalled, or simply disoriented. So in this work I am presenting you not only with probabilities as conjecture, but, often, showing you how such probabilities affect your daily lives, and giving examples of the ways in which Ruburt's and Joseph's lives have been so touched.

For a while, many of you will play with the concepts while avoiding all direct encounters with any other experience, save that already acceptable. Yet the immensities of your own abilities speak in your dreams, in your private moments, as even inaudibly in the knowledge of your own molecules.

There are civilizations of the psyche, and only by learning about these will you discover the truth about the "lost" civilizations of your planet, for each such physical culture coincided with and emerged from a corresponding portion of the psyche that you even now possess.

Take your break.

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T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I read Psychic Politics years ago. I remember I enjoyed it :) 
Jane's abilities are amazing!

Thank you for The Spoiler from UR2. I'm starting to appreciate mythology much more these days. I also think it's literal history, veiled.

Sena

May 02, 2020, 02:58:35 AM #5 Last Edit: May 02, 2020, 03:01:20 AM by Sena
I read this review of Psychic Politics on Amazon. This reviewer has only given it three stars:

" Interesting, but it's no "Seth".

I am a huge fan of the Seth-dictated literature, but find Jane's own writings to be somewhat dithery, belabored and feminine (in the not-so-good sense of that word). Lovers of Seth's virile, direct prose will be disappointed, yet completists may want to read this."

This review is quite interesting because it seems to confirm that Seth was really a different person from Jane. Someone might say it was a case of multiple personality. I don't think so. This would be the first ever case of multiple personality where two of the personalities were able to write such coherent books. Also, Jane had a stable long-term relationship with Rob. Somebody with multiple personality would not be able to have such a relationship.

Deb

Quote from: Sena
I am a huge fan of the Seth-dictated literature, but find Jane's own writings to be somewhat dithery, belabored and feminine (in the not-so-good sense of that word). Lovers of Seth's virile, direct prose will be disappointed, yet completists may want to read this.

Well it is definitely Jane's book, so someone only looking for more Seth would be disappointed.

While I never get enough Seth, I've always been curious about Jane. When I first came across the Seth materials I was leery of the channeling aspect and whether Seth was  real or if he was made up by Jane. I still feel she had issues with men, in that her father was absent (rejection), priests were her surrogate father by design, and during the time she was growing up men were looked up to as authorities (that hasn't changed that much). A few times I've heard or read her say things along where she was very conscious of the patriarchy of the time. I once read, and I don't know where it came from, that there was speculation she was "channeling" a "male" was because she thought people would have ignored a female. She struggled succeeding in the scifi writing field because it was male dominated.

I'm glad you mentioned the psychological aspect of MPD, as that's been tossed around as well. At this point it doesn't really matter to me whether Seth was a real separate consciousness, or a part of Jane's psyche, or another aspect of a greater oversoul or just an illusion. It's hard to imagine one person such as Jane could produce so many books, cover so many different topics (how much can one person know?), have so many sessions and continue to do it consistently for 25 years. And if you've ever listed to her speak, such as in the Village Voice interview, her personality was VERY different than the way she wrote.

I was going to ask Rich a lot of questions about how he viewed Seth/Jane and if he'd ever questioned it. I had planned to drive out to Elmira and New Haven in May, which of course won't happen now. My next hope is to drive out in the fall, but of course now Rich is gone.

T.M.

Hi All,

I know I have to shift my expectations when I read a Jane book. Some I really enjoy, Psychic Politics was one. Though I tried rereading it a few years after and just couldn't get into it.

I think it was around that time I read God of Jane, and enjoyed that one too. A few years later, I didn't enjoy trying to re-read.

I've never been fond of Oversoul 7 either. I had high hopes for the series, not an as extension of Seth either. I guess it just wasn't as sci-fi as I had hoped it would be. Seemed to me like a bridge between Jane and Seth, as where I was hoping for a straight imaginative venture from Jane. Maybe if I read it now I would enjoy it.


So yeah, I think it's a mindset kind of thing.

jbseth

Hi All,

I think that Jane must have been one of the most creative people who ever lived.

She was creative with her writing, (sci fi, poetry, Jane's books, the worldview books, the emir book, etc.) she was creative with her experiences (joining a scifi writing group, the ouija board, channeling, forming an ESP group, contacting survival personalities, table tipping, etc.) and she was creative with her imagination, (idea construction, the puddle being, Helper, Sumari, the Library, Cyprus, Oversoul 7).

She was creative in so many aspects of her life, its just amazing. Wow.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.


Each morning I'd sit at least briefly at my desk - waiting. About a week and a half later, on October 25, 1974, I plunked myself down as usual. By then I'd nearly forgotten the poem itself. There wasn't an idea in my head. Then suddenly my next project was presented to me so clearly that I could have no doubts. All at once the image of a library was transposed over the southeast corner of the living room, and in it I saw my own image. At the same time, two paragraphs sprang to life within my mind. Excited, I wrote them down and then described the experience itself as it began to unfold. By then I knew that the notes themselves were the beginning of a new book.

These are my original notes. The first two paragraphs are arranged exactly as I saw them in my mental vision-I imagine that this was to set them off and let me know that new material was involved. Even later, that precise arrangement was significant to me.

"No man is an island to himself"
but each person contains an inner
civilization of the self which he
learns to govern with a psychic
politics that is the framework for
the outer world of government and
law.

The ego rises from the civilization
of the psyche just as the ruler, king, queen,
president or dictator rises from the masses
of the people; appointed, chosen, or taking
control according to an inner politics first
existing within the greater inner mind.

"The above two paragraphs affected me most strangely, with a force difficult to describe. I feel that they exist somewhere else and have for centuries, that they are inevitable, and that the book in which they appear has already been written, though I am just beginning to transcribe it. The book is a classic, known as such somewhere or in some other time. The two paragraphs above are just the beginning, yet they come to me with an impeccable sense of rightness. Suddenly I'm sure that I'm meant to write that book, that it represents my "path" and it is part of my destiny. I don't mean that I feel forced to do this, but that I recognize in some odd manner the utter rightness of this path, this book and what it represents, to me. The book is to be called, Pyschic Politics.

- from Chapter 1 of the book, "Psychic Politics"


Just how incredibly creative is all of that. First Jane "sees" a library in the corner of her living room. In addition to this, she also she sees herself in this library. Then, she mentally picks up 2 paragraphs. These 2 paragraphs come from a book located in this psychic library, that she then proceeds to write, called "Psychic Politics".

I rest my case.

-jbseth


T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Jbseth,




"No man is an island to himself"
but each person contains an inner
civilization of the self which he
learns to govern with a psychic
politics that is the framework for
the outer world of government and
law.

"The ego rises from the civilization
of the psyche just as the ruler, king, queen,
president or dictator rises from the masses
of the people; appointed, chosen, or taking
control according to an inner politics first
existing within the greater inner mind.

"The above two paragraphs affected me most strangely, with a force difficult to describe. I feel that they exist somewhere else and have for centuries, that they are inevitable, and that the book in which they appear has already been written, though I am just beginning to transcribe it."

That's just beautiful poetry!!
The next few sentences remind me, when I was very young, probably 12, or something around that age. I started having a series of recognition dreams. Nothing major or earth shattering, just small snippets of daily life. I really started wondering about time and events, still do today.
At that time, it really seemed to me that the events of our lives had already happened, like the next few days, and we in 3D are just catching up to those events.
It really confused me and I asked the dreams to stop. I still regret that. At the time, it was too much.

When I got older I studied much occult type literature. I think the time frame is 3 days, for the type of dreams I was having. That matches up for when the dreams events came true.

That's kind of why I find probable time lines fascinating!

jbseth

Quote from: Deb
I started listening to Psychic Politics a few days ago and have been blown away by the book. I'd resisted reading it for a while because the title didn't sound interesting, but after having recently finished Nature of the Psyche I decided to get into this one. I've also started re-reading Conversations With Seth. I read this very early on, and I think I'll get a lot more out of it now that I have a lot more Seth under my belt. But that will be another topic.

Hi Deb, Hi All,

I'm with you Deb. I really like Jane's books and the interesting insights that I get from them.

Jane's book are different than Seths. Seth is like the instructor, this is how things work. Jane on the other hand is like the person who tests Seth's concepts. This is what I discovered when using these ideas.



I also seem to get more and more from both Seth's and Jane's books, the more I read and reread them.
I'm continually amazed that the information that I find that I didn't pick up on, the first time through.


- jbseth





jbseth

Quote from: T.M.
That's just beautiful poetry!!The next few sentences remind me, when I was very young, probably 12, or something around that age. I started having a series of recognition dreams. Nothing major or earth shattering, just small snippets of daily life. I really started wondering about time and events, still do today.At that time, it really seemed to me that the events of our lives had already happened, like the next few days, and we in 3D are just catching up to those events.It really confused me and I asked the dreams to stop. I still regret that. At the time, it was too much. When I got older I studied much occult type literature. I think the time frame is 3 days, for the type of dreams I was having. That matches up for when the dreams events came true.That's kind of why I find probable time lines fascinating!   


Hi T.M.

Yes, I agree. That is beautiful poetry. :)

I like your comments about dream events and having them show up in physical reality. I find that over the years, I've had many dreams where some small portion of the dream, like an unusual object or image in the dream will later show up in physical reality. This has happened to me, I'd say maybe 10 to 15 times, over my life. It has happened enough times so that I do look for them and I'm always happily amazed when they show up. It's very interesting and kind of fun.   :)

I would say that for me, mostly they show up anywhere between 1 - 5 days after the dream, although some have showed up weeks later.

I too find probable time lines to be very interesting as well.

- jbseth


 



Deb

jbseth it seems you have the book on Kindle? If so, could you copy and paste the thank you "letter" Jane wrote to her soul for answering her request for contact? I listened to that yesterday and really enjoyed it. It would be nice to be able to share. It's at the beginning of Chapter 3. I'd type it up but it's 4 pages worth so copy & paste would be a lot easier. :)

jbseth

Hi Deb, Hi All,

I'm sorry Deb, I don't have "Psychic Politics" in kindle form. I have a hardback book copy.

This poem is very beautiful however, and so with a lot of slow henpecking at my keyboard, here you go. I've also copied the two paragraphs before and the one paragraph that follows this poem so that others can understand what this poem is all about.



[spoiler="Psychic Politics", Chapter 3 "Models and Beloved Eccentrics"]
The next morning was bright and clear, with October leaves falling everywhere. I sat down at my table in front of the bay windows to write. The pigeons were feeding on the roof, their feathers ruffled by the wind. It came in bursts, hitting the side of the house and rattling the old windows with their ancient sashes. In between the gusts, everything seemed relatively quiet. In one of those silences, there was a sudden dry rustling sound of crunchy leaves swirling across the parking lot below. All at once I saw myself sitting at the library, looking at an open book, only the pages were flying open and the leaves outside the window were the sounds that the pages made in the library. They flew open by themselves, it seemed. For a moment the two experiences clicked together so smoothly that I accepted their unity without question. Only an instant later did I wonder: How did the real wind outside rustle the pages of a book in a nonphysical library? But for me, the inner and outer experiences coincided with an almost breathtaking symmetry.

For some reason, only then did I remember the poems I'd written the week earlier asking for inspiration and realize that I was getting a whole new book in answer to the poems' request. The library was a gift from the psyche, uniting my experience, focusing it in a fresh direction. I remembered how glum I'd been then, yet in my new creative state I'd completely forgotten my earlier request. I hate to write thank you notes, but when the soul was concerned, my lack of thanks seemed like some sort of metaphysical faux pas. So, filled with gratitude, I wrote the following poem. In it I've made some points about the nature of inspiration that are quite difficult to make in prose. At the time, though, I just sat there and wrote the poem spontaneously as an expression of thanks, filled with wonder at the psyche's ability to regenerate us when we need it most. As I wrote, fresh bursts of October wind rattled the windows: the pigeons rose in a flurry of feathers and I kept seeing the image of myself in the library. Now and then that self smiled and looked back at me as I sat at my desk.


Dear soul, I'm awed.
Did I say once your words were cold?
I take it back.
I wrote and didn't feel you answering
and I got scared.
Then your reply
wrote itself upon my world,
and the letters came alive.
How could I ever doubt that you were real?

You seem to send me a series of new births
timed for when I feel my tiredness,
and this one is still happening,
so I wanted you to know just how I feel,
and most of all to thank you
for your reply when I reached out,
caught between faith and doubt,
wondering if you were there at all
or just a manufactured hope,
dreamed up in the overworked factory
of a weary mind.

But after I finished my last poem
and stated my case as best I could,
flashing messages
that reached, I hoped,
from my world to yours,
I just felt spent.
Receiving no reply, I thought,
"My soul is remarkably hesitant,
or I didn't explain just what I meant,
or worse-my soul is so aloof
that my plight to it is meaningless;
it can't relate."
So part of me brooded
while a part said, "All right,
if my soul can't be trusted, I'd better know now,
and if I have to make it on my own
I sure as hell had better learn how."

And then,
between one moment and the next, I saw
a path open up within my head.
It led straight up to the southeast corner
of the living room,
and there transposed against the white bare wall
the image of a library hung visible,
with rows of books and a table,
not flat but three-dimensional
inside itself. That is, the vision
didn't spread out into the living room,
but the depth opened up
with its own space, so that I gasped.

I watched from here, and there
a double of myself leaned up against the rows
         of books,
nearly weeping with relief,
thinking, "Thank God , that I've come home."
And our thoughts, hers and mine, were one,
so that for a moment I was there
and here at once,
and both of us were jubilant.

That path did something.
I recognized it instantly
as something I'd been looking for,
a magic road of the psyche
that was mine alone,
as if a flower suddenly realized
the direction in which it was meant to grow;
a path not just of least resistance
but of power; as if in annals forgotten
each soul
carries future memories of roads
it must and will follow-
intimate passageways through the cosmos
that belong to itself alone;
and discovers its own true tone
that opens up clear avenues ahead
through cosmic woods that otherwise seem
frightening, and snaps back branches,
suddenly showing a bright clear moon.

But in any case, I know this path
to be my own,
like a personal signal given me in some time
before memory,
So when I sent out my S.O.S.,
that signal came flashing from eternity,
searching times and places
till it discovered where I was,
and found me just when I thought
that I was lost.

I think
of the nerve ends of the universe,
crisscrossing in a cosmos
of interrelatedness
we can hardly understand.
Then I yell, "Help!"
from one corner of a tiny world
hung between the centuries
that sparkle like a million golden cobwebs,
dangling alive and glorious
in some spectacular universal brain-
but that message goes out.
So however gigantic
the universe is,
my tiny plea set it jangling.
And even worlds apart from me
moved, sang, trembled
as my alarm
traveled outward, making contact,
touching wild neurons
of some overall mind
who then sent help,
as maybe my brain sends
blood to my finger when I've pinched it,
knowing the direct path
through the bodies myriad worlds.

But what a response!
for the library didn't vanish
but remains just out of sight,
surfacing now and then
just as clearly as before,
and my double sits at a table
reading a book that I've begun
to translate here.
Once, dry leaves rushing across the parking
        lot outside
were the sounds the rustling pages made
in the book next to her hand,
as they moved all at once
to her surprise, for there was
no wind there,
and here, I laughed.

But in whatever way truth exists,
I know that the books inside my head spring alive,
And that when I'm in that library, I've come home.

But in what sense?
I only know that the path led me there,
and that I'm meant to write those books
and bring them to life inside our world
by an intent
I recognize as ancient and yet new,
Not imposed but chosen,
yet chosen in response
to some natural incline of being
that wants to go one way, not another,
because it knows what's best for it and feels
promptings that line up
with inside directions of the mind,
or soul.

After I wrote the poem, I sensed that "other self" in the library. Sometimes I'd see her sitting at the table. Sometimes she'd walk to the window that overlooked the grounds, and my consciousness would flicker back and forth so that I would be aware of her environment and mine as well. To some extent her knowledge of the library was imparted to me. Writing about this, I call my image "her", yet I also identify with this library self and certainly on occasion she seems aware of me.

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-jbseth


Deb

OMG jbseth, you didn't have to do that! I'm a really fast typist, I could have done it, just thought I'd save myself some time if you had the book on Kindle. I have an old paperback (copyright says 1976), used, with a few underlines and notes from the previous owner (I love that kind of stuff).

So, thank you SO MUCH for doing that, it is greatly appreciated and above and beyond. I love this poem. I've never appreciated poetry in my life as it was taught, all the rhyming and tempo... but to me this is something different, more from the heart and soul.

Thanks again, this is perfect.

jbseth

Hi Deb,

That's a small thank you for your patience with me here over the years.

It is a very beautiful poem and I really like to too.

- jbseth
 

Sena

Quote from: jbseth
I think
of the nerve ends of the universe,
crisscrossing in a cosmos
of interrelatedness
we can hardly understand.
jbseth, thanks for posting Jane's poem.

T.M.


jbseth

Hi All,

In her book, "Psychic Politics", after Jane had her initial, what I'll call, "Library of the psyche" experience, and then after she wrote her thank you poem to her soul, Jane then proceeded to say some very interesting things about this "Library of the psyche".

The spoiler below, contains some of her comments about this "Library of the psyche".

[spoiler="Psychic Politics", Chapter 3:]
After I wrote the poem, I sensed that "other self" in the library. Sometimes I'd see her sitting at the table. Sometimes she'd walk to the window that overlooked the grounds, and my consciousness would flicker back and forth so that I would be aware of her environment and mine as well. To some extent her knowledge of the library was imparted to me. Writing about this, I call my image "her", yet I also identify with this library self and certainly on occasion she seems aware of me.

Through her I knew that the library windows looked out to different centuries. These exist all at once as the library grounds, and make up the environment. The books are written by people who go into the library from their own window of time and keep transcribing the classics, revising them, and creating them anew through their own experience. The books are them produced in a new time and place period. Each new version of any book changes the classic model of it.

I knew that the library was also the materialization of a certain level of the psyche, even as our world is. Only there, time is laid out like space is here. The windows of the library coincide with definite places in our space-time. In our world, these points of intersection may appear as natural objects, and these correlate with coordinate points in the psyche. Moving toward these coordinate points in your mind automatically lines up your consciousness to some extent, with the other reality, and stabilizes conditions enough to allow for more or less conscious entry and return.

I knew even then, for example, that the corner of the living room served as a reference point in that respect; but at the usual level of consciousness used by most people, the library entrance just wasn't there. Only a wall. Knocking the wall down wouldn't reveal the entry either, obviously, because it only existed at certain levels of consciousness. You turn your focus instead of a doorknob to find it. It only exists in certain states of the psyche, when inner and outer coordinates line up so that the two worlds merge.

I had a feeling that I'd actually been operating in the library for some time without being aware of it, and in the few days since it first appeared I'd become more conscious of my activities there and here as well. Several times I had vague glimpses of the library grounds, but without being able to interpret them clearly. For instance, here, time and space are more or less interdependent. There, the elements or time are laid out like space is here. There, time expands and the variations appear as probabilities: Instead of today turning into tomorrow, today's equivalent turns into the probabilities of itself–and you can travel to any of these in the same way that we travel from city to city.

I knew all of this in a kind of bleed-though of knowledge from my double, but as I looked out of the library window I knew that I didn't see what she was seeing, only my version of it. Every time I looked out I saw this world. Yet I realized that with greater training, I could learn to see probabilities also. It was as if I were just beginning to use new senses there, and discovering a different kind of depth perception.
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Jane, who was a poet and writer, tapped into "the Library", a library of the psyche.

Given this then, do you suppose that there is something similar, for example, for artists, who can perhaps likewise tap into "the Art Gallery", an art gallery of the psyche.

If so, then what about musicians, conductors, actors, playwrights, magicians, etc.

What does this say about the nature of the psyche and the nature of creativity?


-jbseth

T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Jbseth,

I've no doubt there's inner libraries for musicians and artists as well. Any pursuit really. I've been reading more of NOPR. I think I'm getting it a little more.  Every act is initially a mental one. Therefore it's possibilities are endless as its beginning isn't anchored in 3D reality, per se.

I wonder where we are? Is our Entity in all dimensions at once, while we are incarnated? Do we have selves experiencing a "life" in all dimensions. If so, I see how Jane could have seen an aspect of herself in the library.

How many dimensions are there?

I think I'm getting ready to jump down a new rabbit hole. How much are our lives related to electricity? I remember Seth said , electricity is a by product of forces we don't yet understand. A ghost type image.

I came across session 608 on the Seth search engine. In it he was talking about reincarnation being related to matter. That we will have a hard time understanding reincarnation till we understand better the properties of matter. I'm betting that's somehow related to the properties of electricity as well. So I bought TPS2 yesterday :)

Deb

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Given this then, do you suppose that there is something similar, for example, for artists, who can perhaps likewise tap into "the Art Gallery", an art gallery of the psyche.

If so, then what about musicians, conductors, actors, playwrights, magicians, etc.

Great question and I agree with T.M., that would just make sense. Jane wrote books that came from her ego/conscious mind, but the Seth books seemed to have come from from a higher place. Does all inspiration come from non-physical? It feels that way to me, especially since I've been reading Seth... I'm more aware of my own "divine inspiration" as being separate from creation by knowledge and experience. I remember thinking back in 1998 that the Harry Potter books were channeled, and that was before I found Seth. They just had the feel to them that they went way beyond human imagination.

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I remember Seth said , electricity is a by product of forces we don't yet understand. A ghost type image.

T.M. you ask a lot of great questions! I didn't remember Seth saying that, but I did read in my past that we still don't really know what electricity is, and I was stunned. I thought science knew all of that stuff, but apparently there are lots of theories that are presented as knowledge and truth.

I think I found the quote you alluded to... Session 131 has a few paragraphs about electricity. I have the book, I need to look into it. I've been stockpiling Seth books during the Christmas sales on Rick Stack's site, just in case we had a pandemic in the future. Just kidding. I've been preparing for retirement and more free time to read.

"I mentioned that the electrical universe is composed of electricity that is far different from your idea of it. Electricity as you perceive it within your field, is merely an echo emanation, or a sort of shadow image of these infinite varieties of pulsations, which give reality and actuality to many phenomena with which you are familiar, but which do not appear as tangible objects within the physical system."
—TES3 Session 131 February 10, 1965

If you decide to share what you learn from TPS2, you could put them in the topic related to TPS in this board. Or wherever you want. But I thought it was really nice of Dandelion to take the time to make topics for all of the Seth books in this Book Reviews board. I've started reading Conversations With Seth again. It was probably the second Seth-related book I read many years ago, but now that I have so much Seth under my belt and know some of the players, it's much more meaningful for me. Lots of "oh wow" moments.

Take me with you down the rabbit hole !

T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

Yes that's the quote, TES3. I really thought that was in a different book though. I think I have  TES3.

It's going to be fun! There's not much on the web I'm aware of that's going where I want to go with this.
Other than 1 video on one of my channels that got me started on the idea. I think it's going to be like assembling
a jigsaw puzzle!

It will tie together aspects of science, psychology and religion, alien appearances/effects in our realm
Of course Seth!!  And hopefully put in an easy to understand explanation of reincarnation, per Seth.
When I get going on it, I will post a separate thread :)

Thank you for reminding me of Dandelion's correlations on the Seth books. I think I'm going to need them :)

Sena

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It will tie together aspects of science, psychology and religion, alien appearances/effects in our realm
Of course Seth!!  And hopefully put in an easy to understand explanation of reincarnation, per Seth.
When I get going on it, I will post a separate thread
T.M., I look forward to your new thread!
Seth did not say much about alien contact, except for this:

"Telepathy will be proven without a doubt, and utilized, sadly enough in the beginning, for purposes of war and intrigue. Nevertheless telepathy will enable your race to make its first contact with alien intelligence. It will not at first be recognized as such.

[... 1 paragraph ...]

There is nothing any more strange in such contact than there is in my contact with you. But because you are so involved with camouflage apparent reality, contact with such intelligence will be a startling discovery. The contact made will be from one male to another, although the alien male, from another camouflage galaxy, will be more involved than you consider possible.

The actual telepathy contact with this alien intelligence will occur, your time I believe, not too far distant, perhaps by the year 2001. However, for reasons that I will not go into, a hitch will develop of which your scientists will not be aware, at least in your terms. The intelligence that you contact will no longer inhabit that same universe by the time that the contact is made."

—The Early Sessions Book 2 Session 45 April 20, 1964

jbseth

Hi T.M., Hi Deb, Hi All,

Yes, TES3, has some great information from Seth on what he refers to as the "electric" reality, and he talks about it extensively in that book.

I particularly find what Seth has to say about the electric reality fascinating in Session 122, page 219; Session 123, page 223; and Session 126, page 233.

Where he talks about the electric reality as it relates to identity, thoughts, emotions, the mind, the brain, the body and inspiration.

-jbseth


jbseth

Hi T.M., Hi Deb, Hi All,

Lately, as a result of this particular topic, I've been stewing over this idea that Jane had of writing a poem to her soul, and then later getting a reply in terms of her "library" experience. Then, in response to this, she wrote a "Thank You" poem to her soul.  In this process, it seems to me that Jane was seeking out inspiration.


It seems to me that intuitive people, should be able to think about a question that they may have for their soul. Then physically write the question down. And then, tune into themselves and see what they pick up intuitively.

I know that on more than 1 occasion, when I'm taking a shower for example, as I'm relaxed and thinking about some issue, some very insightful and intuitive ideas just seem to pop into my mind, in response to the thoughts that I was having.

I suspect that this is a form of communication, not unlike automatic writing or channeling and I believe that basically this is what Neale Donald Walsch did in his, "Conversation with God" books.

Furthermore, it seems to me that a person should be able to sit down at their computer, type in a question, tune-into themselves and then type up any response that intuitively pops into their mind. A person could them go back and forth like this, in a way, not unlike having a conversation with another person. It would seem to me that this direct line of communication is probably available to each and every one of us, if we were just open to it.

Maybe this down time, this time where we're all social isolating from each other, is a good time to give this a try. Maybe this is a great time to have a conversation with our souls. Maybe I'll give this a try today and see what I come up with.

What a great day for this idea to occur to me, May 4th; "May the Force, be with you".  :)

- jbseth



T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Jbseth,

I like that! A lot, and am going to give it a try. Thank You!

LarryH

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"Telepathy will be proven without a doubt, and utilized, sadly enough in the beginning, for purposes of war and intrigue."
This 1964 quote is 7 or 8 years before the government-funded Stanford Research Institute program to develop and use Remote Viewing as a supplement to conventional information-gathering, largely directed against U.S. adversaries.

Sena

Quote from: LarryH
Quote from: Sena (quoting Seth)
"Telepathy will be proven without a doubt, and utilized, sadly enough in the beginning, for purposes of war and intrigue."
This 1964 quote is 7 or 8 years before the government-funded Stanford Research Institute program to develop and use Remote Viewing as a supplement to conventional information-gathering, largely directed against U.S. adversaries.
Larry, I was thinking more on the lines of telepathy between Seth readers but, as you say, it may have been used for intrigue 30 or 40 years ago.

pyromancy

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                        Hi All,Hi Jbseth,I've no doubt there's inner libraries for musicians and artists as well. Any pursuit really. I've been reading more of NOPR. I think I'm getting it a little more.  Every act is initially a mental one. Therefore it's possibilities are endless as its beginning isn't anchored in 3D reality, per se.I wonder where we are? Is our Entity in

I'll share something interesting with you. There are excerpts about copper sheets and incense being used because of the ionization.

https://findingseth.com/q/copper/

copper conducts electricity. it is used in electrical wiring. Pathogens also cannot survive on copper due to oligodynamism.

The medium Edgar Cayce was also very fascinated in secondary copper minerals such as azurite (a molecule of which contains 3 copper ions) and malachite along with lapis lazuli [lapis isn't conductive as far as I know but the Sumerians valued it tremendously]

Copper is very affordable and can be found at hardware or home improvement stores.

There also appear to be scant references to silver, which is an even better conductor of electricity.

https://findingseth.com/q/silver/

Stories of Moses and Egyptian healers with brass staffs I have little doubt had to do with people noticing the benefits of holding these items. To kill viruses and conduct electricity. Amplifying an individuals energy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper-silver_ionization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligodynamic_effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_conductor

also see eilat stone which contains many varieties of copper and secondary copper along with turquoise which contains iron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat_stone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbpg0DE_ilk