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jbseth

Hi All,

Hey, I was just re-reading that UFO article. Did I read this UFO article correctly? Does it really say what it seems to say?


"The New York Times reports that a small group of government officials and scientists believe that objects of "undetermined origin" have crashed to Earth and been retrieved, including former Sen. Harry Reid. While some have been found to be man-made materials, there are question marks over others."


Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of "undetermined origin" that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved? 

Wow that's quite a statement. I wonder what planet he comes from?  :)  :)  :) 

-jbseth 

Deb

July 25, 2020, 05:31:37 PM #2 Last Edit: March 23, 2021, 01:39:22 PM by Deb
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Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of "undetermined origin" that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved?

Ha ha ha.

I've had no personal experience with UFOs, but I can't discount them either. I just don't understand why, if they are real, the government would withhold that information. I've seen enough videos and even documentaries that keep my mind open.

I was a big X Files fan. I do believe the truth is out there. It's just getting to the truth that's difficult.

Deb

Well maybe something interesting is coming our way soon!

Quote from: PopMech articleIt's unclear why Ratcliffe has decided to speak out about UAP now, although the former Director of Intelligence's remarks may foreshadow a major report the Pentagon is set to release in the coming months. Indeed, 2021 promises to be one of the most significant years ever for the advancement of UFO disclosure—and that follows a year in which the U.S. Navy officially released three videos that show UFOs are genuine.

The UAPTF is the first official government program affiliated with UFO research since a 2000s-era unit that analyzed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and other UAP lost its funding in 2012, even though multiple sources confirmed with Popular Mechanics that the unit remained active in secrecy after its shuttering.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a35904670/pentagon-ufo-reports-objects-breaking-sound-barrier-without-sonic-boom/
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jbseth

Hi Deb, Hi All,

Thanks for the post and the heads up on possible future UFO information unvailing.

In the recent US Navy data that was released, they mentioned a UAP that went from near sea level to something like 35,000 feet in a very short time period. Must faster than the speed of sound.

Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?

Maybe they should take a look at what Seth had to say?  :)

-jbseth
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Sena

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Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?
jbseth, I agree that interpretation makes a lot of sense.

jbseth

Hi All,

Once again, today there's more video and news about US Navy video of UFO's or UAP (Unidentifed Ariel Phenomenon) in the news.

The video of this triangular UFO is pretty amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKsLK_Na7iw

-jbseth

jbseth

Hi All,

And a slightly different one that shows some very clear images from a Navy fighter Jet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OTaxiBE-TQ

-jbseth
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usmaak

This is all very surreal to me.  I've joked around about UFOs for years.  When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.  When I was in college, I thought I saw one.  I was getting back to the apartment that I was renting and I saw a bunch of lights in the sky.  There was no storms and it was completely quiet.  I don't really know what it could have been.  If it was a plane or a helicopter, there would have been noise.  And no, I wasn't drinking or taking anything.  I just dismissed it as something unknown that, I was sure, had a perfectly rational explanation.

Where I live, we have a lot of Altocumulus Standing Lenticular clouds.  I joke around that 90% of UFO sightings are lenticular clouds because they look like alien spacecraft.

I also think that I saw a ghost once, but that was likely just waking up from a vivid dream.

I've never believed in either, but it is curious that there are news stories from legitimate, non "National Enquirer" sources talking about UFOs.  Only I guess these wouldn't be little green men from the planet Xenon or something like that.

jbseth

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When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.


Hi usmaak, Hi All,

That's quite interesting. It sounds like, in one way at least, we have had a very similar experience when growing up. Seeing something on TV about UFO's

When I was a kid, probably around the time I was 10 years old (1964) I saw a movie on TV about UFO's. This movie wasn't one of those 1950's sci-fy thrillers. Instead it was much more like a documentary. I think it probably was probably the movie mentioned in the link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_(1956_film)

Given what they said in this movie, especially the part near the end where as I recall, in 1952, there were UFO's reported over Washington D. C., I always tended to think that there may actually be something to these UFO claims.

I've always tended to think about then in terms of both science (Carl Sagan, saying that there are millions and millions of stars) and science fiction shows like "Star Trek". As in perhaps the beings behind these UFO's sightings are guided by some sort of "Prime Directive". And maybe as in the Genesis Project in the movie Star Trek III, "The Search for Spock", we are actually the result of some sort of science project that they started here on earth millions of years ago and have been occasionally monitoring us for a very long time.

Science tells us that there are millions of "galaxies" not just millions of stars.

If you consider how far, we have come, from a technology standpoint, in the last 500 years, consider where we might be in a million years from now, if we were to keep up at this rate.

It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.

Along with this, now that we've developed space craft and nuclear weapons, maybe they've been more interested in seeing where we go with this and so they've started to monitor us more closely.

This all seems "plausible" to me.


-jbseth

LarryH

In 1974, I was watching a documentary on UFOs that may or may not be the one mentioned above, but it did show film of the UFOs over Washington DC in 1952. The documentary included an interview with a witness, who was an officer in the Navy at the time. I was living in San Diego County, where many Navy personnel retired. I found his name in the phone book and called him and asked him if he had been in a UFO documentary, he said yes, so I told him that it was on TV right now. He thanked me, and we hung up.

usmaak

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It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.
Maybe they communicate with us through things like Seth and religion.  Maybe things like Seth and religion are ways to keep us under control.  Maybe they're meant to comfort our fear of death.  So many possibilities.

Deb

Great videos. I love when the witnesses are military, they probably know more about our technology than most, and so something like those catching their attention means more to me.

My first hearing about UFOs was when my mother bought a book about Betty and Barney Hill being "abducted by aliens" in 1961. Looking at the Wiki, they also made a movie about it in 1975. I never knew what to think about all of that, as I'd never seen any UFOs myself. That is, until about 2 years ago. I was driving east on I-70 one bright and clear morning and saw far off to the SE of where I was something just hanging in the sky. It didn't look like it was moving, just hanging there. It was pretty far away so I couldn't see details, basically just the shape of it. It was large, dark grey or black and looked like it was some sort of SteamPunk thing. I got to glance at it a couple of times and then lost sight of it. Could it have been a blimp? I Googled "blimp over Denver" and I came up with several links about the Dept of Transportation testing a blimp to monitor in 2015, but this didn't look anything like what they were doing and I don't think they followed through with them. I've seen blimps before, this didn't have the familiar shape and certainly wasn't blue with Goodyear in yellow letters. Oh well, who knows.

It seems there have been a lot of sightings over the years. I'm looking forward to June when more stuff is unclassified. I also figure if they truly are ETs, if they meant us harm we would have been wiped out a long time ago.  ;D

usmaak

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Deb

Love it! I agree about the C- too, maybe even a D.

Does anyone remember the old Twilight Zone where these people wake up in a strange town, everything is props, the train they get on to escape keeps looping? In the end it's a giant little girl's toy town, mom says, "Be careful with your pets, dear--your father brought them all the way from Earth."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stopover_in_a_Quiet_Town

jbseth

Hi All,

I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

-jbseth

 

usmaak

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Hi All,

I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

-jbseth

 
Is the public even responding?  When I was on CNN the other day, the latest UFO story was well below the latest political goings on and anything COVID related.  It was basically relegated to the same area that most Enquirer type stories go.

And that's funny.  Because 20 - 30 years ago, this would have been plastered all the front page of every newspaper and other news source in the entire world.

The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.  QAnon and conspiracy theories about the Bill Gates trying to control us with microchips in vaccines is getting more airtime.

Sena

April 29, 2021, 04:50:29 AM #17 Last Edit: April 29, 2021, 04:59:06 AM by Sena
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The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.
This is one of the mysterious aspects of the UFO phenomenon. The following is an extract from a book I am reading:

"FUNDAMENTAL CONUNDRUM Why doesn't a Superior Intelligence contact humans openly?
1. If there are advanced alien intelligent creatures in our Universe, why aren't they already on Earth?
2. Why don't we observe activities of alien civilizations in the cosmos: robotic space probes, accidents, astroengineering, star wars, spaceships, communications, signals, or radio wave leakage?
3. What is the UFO phenomenon? There are countless reports of UFO sightings, abductions, and encounters with alleged alien creatures. In the U.S. alone, more than six million people claim to have been taken up into UFOs. Still no conclusive and definite evidence is yet available that would prove the existence of UFOs as real extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Why don't superior intelligences from our Universe, other universes, from the supposed other dimensions, or from wherever they are contact us in an open manner or officially?
For the mega-civilizations, we are like a Monopoly game on the table, next to the sandwiches and the beer: we are totally visible, accessible, manipulable, and contactable." (from "The Fermi Paradox: 100 solutions and the survival of mankind" by Alexander Popoff)

https://amzn.eu/grprAhO

usmaak

I keep seeing articles popping up about this topic.

This is the latest one that I saw.  Published just a few days ago.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

Sena

May 02, 2021, 03:26:53 AM #19 Last Edit: May 02, 2021, 03:29:58 AM by Sena
"According to John A. Keel, the UFOs and their crews are some sort of electromagnetic energy controlled by a superior nonhuman intelligence. Keel wrote in his book Operation Trojan Horse, "Somewhere in this tangled mass of electromagnetic frequencies there lies an omnipotent intelligence, however. This intelligence is able to manipulate energy. It can, quite literally, manipulate any kind of object into existence on our plane." (from "The Fermi Paradox: They are here and control us" by Alexander Popoff)

https://amzn.eu/9ylc6kw

Seth had some interesting things to say about electromagnetic reality:

"All of an individual's experiences, even those of which he is not aware on a conscious basis, therefore are part of the electromagnetic reality that forms this particular individual's electromagnetic identity. It exists within the physical matter of the organism during existence within the physical system. While the experiences which form this framework and compose this individual's identity are obtained through his interaction with the physical system, his electromagnetic identity is not dependent upon the physical field."
—TES4 Session 197 October 11, 1965

jbseth

Hi All,

I've always found that what Seth had to say about UFO's in UR2, Appendix 20, to be quite interesting. It speaks to what, at least some of these UFO's might be. Distortions that occur due to travel between different planes or realities.

It also potentially explains some of the strange siting's that humans have seen, such as possibly the Jersey Devil and the Mothman phenomena.

Finally, it also explains some of the strange phenomena (such as the ability to go off at right angles) that apparently has been witnessed by the US Navy such as in the incredible changes in altitude, in very short periods of time.

If what Seth says here is true, then it may be a long time before either the US Navy or anyone else, figures out what this UFO phenomena really is.

In the spoiler below, I've given some of what Seth talks about in this Appendix.


[spoiler=UR2, Appendix 20:]
(Seth hasn't often talked about UFO's — unidentified flying objects — in the sessions. He thinks they have various states of origin. Occasionally he'll mention them in connection with another subject; as an example, see the two paragraphs about "saucers" and the pulsating nature of atoms and molecules in the ESP class session for January 12, 1971, in the Appendix of Seth Speaks.

(That material actually flows from a session held seven years earlier: the 16th for January 15, 1964, which still contains Seth-Jane's longest delivery on such craft. We found the information in the session quite intriguing because we thought it offered a fresh approach to a very controversial puzzle. We still think so. [In the early sessions, incidentally, Seth used the word "plane" often, but not long afterward began the general changeover to "reality," which for the most part we like better. However, note at the end of these excerpts from the 16th session the meanings and delineations he found within that word "plane" — even though he regarded it as our term.])

The strange thing about your flying saucers is not that they appear, but that you can see them. As science advances on various planes the inhabitants learn to travel between planes occasionally, while carrying with them the [camouflage] manifestations of their home stations ...

I am quite sure — I know for a fact — that beings from other planes have appeared among you, sometimes on purpose and sometimes completely by accident. As in some cases humans have quite accidentally blundered through the apparent curtain between your present and your past, so have beings blundered into the apparent division between one plane and another. Usually when they have done so they were invisible on your plane, as the few of you who fell into the past, or the apparent past, were invisible to the people of the past.

This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kinds of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (With amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain — this, dear Joseph, is a pun — that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.

Now back to the point. When sciences progress on various planes, then visitations become less accidental and more planned. Once the inhabitants of a plane have learned mental-science patterns, then they are to a great degree freed from the more regular camouflage [physical] patterns. This applies to "higher" planes than mine, generally speaking, although mine is further along in these sciences than your own.

[Many of] the flying saucer appearances come from [such] a plane, [one] that is much more advanced in technological sciences than earth at this time. However, this is still not a mental-science plane. Therefore the camouflage paraphernalia appears, more or less visible, to your own astonishment. Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin ... The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. Now as the craft enters your plane a distortion occurs. Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form ... between transforming itself completely into earth's particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. The earthly viewer attempts to correlate what he sees with what he supposedly knows or imagines possible in the universe.

What he sees is something between a horse and a dog, that resembles neither. The flying saucer retains what it can of its original structure and changes what it must. This accounts for many of the conflicting reports as to shape, size, and color. The few times the craft shoots off at right angles, it has managed to retain functions ordinary to it in its particular habitat.

I do not believe you will have any saucer landings for quite awhile, not physical landings in the usual sense of the word. These vehicles cannot stay on your plane for any length of time at all. The pressures that push against the saucer itself are tremendous ... The struggle to be one thing or another is very great on any plane. To conform to the laws of a particular plane is a practical necessity, and at this time the flying saucer craft simply cannot afford to stay betwixt and between for any indefinite period.

What they do is take quick glimpses of your plane — and hold in mind that the saucer or cigar shape [often] seen on your planet is a bastard form having little relation to the structure as it is at home base.
[/spoiler]


- jbseth




Sena

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This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kinds of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (With amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain — this, dear Joseph, is a pun — that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.
jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.

jbseth

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jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.


Hi Sena, Hi All,

I don't think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO's and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

UR2, S743:

(Long pause.) The unknown reality, dash — Many of you, I know, would like to find in this book answers pertaining to Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, UFO's3, and many other such questions. Those matters certainly seem pertinent in the framework of your experience and beliefs. You already have a great variety of explanations offered: Writers in many fields have produced books about such topics. By far the greater questions, however, are those pertaining to the unknown reality of the psyche, and those that relate to the kind of being who perceives in one way or another an Atlantis, a Bermuda Triangle, a UFO — for in greater terms, until you ask deeper questions about yourselves, these other experiences will remain mysterious. You cannot understand perceived events unless you understand who perceives them. You must learn more about the slant of your own consciousness before you are in a position to ask truly pertinent questions about the reality that you perceive.

[...]

When I consider those (Atlantis, UFO's, and so forth) and other such matters, it will be from a much different perspective. By then you — my readers — will be familiar enough with the unknown reality to understand answers given in a different context. Period.



-jbseth




Sena

May 02, 2021, 01:40:46 PM #23 Last Edit: May 02, 2021, 01:43:46 PM by Sena
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I don't think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO's and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

jbseth, I agree. What it means for us is that we have to continue to speculate about the meaning of these phenomena. It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.
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T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Sena,

I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.

I do think the various countries/governments of the world have developed some pretty impressive crafts that they aren't telling anyone else about, for obvious reasons.
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Sena

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I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.
T.M., I am interested in the spiritual aspects of the alien contact phenomenon. One person who studied this was the Harvard psychiatrist John Edward Mack. The following is a quote from one of his books:

"The alien abduction phenomenon is one among a number of manifestations—including near-death experiences, intricate crop formations, apparitions of many kinds, unexplained powers of healing (Dossey 1993b; Cooperstein 1996), and parapsychology ( Jahn and Dunne 1987; Radin 1997)—that are forcing us to appreciate that cosmic realities exist beyond the three-dimensional universe that has bounded our earthly existence. There seem to be as many names for these domains as there are methods of approaching them: the "implicate order," the "invisible world," "other dimensions," and "transpersonal" or "daimonic reality" are a few of them. Philosophers like Michael Zimmerman (Travis 1998) and Michael Grosso (2004) posit a "third zone" of reality that is neither purely internal nor external but lies beyond, including or subsuming the familiar dualism of inner and outer worlds. Whatever words we may use to describe this realm or realms, it appears ever more likely that we exist in a multidimensional cosmos or multiverse, within which space and time appear to be constructs of the mind that order or simplify the chaos of energy and vibration in which we are immersed." (from "Passport to the Cosmos" by John E. Mack)

https://amzn.eu/cQuFgL2
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jbseth

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It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.


Hi Sena, Hi All,

I think that this may depend upon what you choose to believe.

It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved. Possibly from another star system.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill


-jbseth

Sena

May 05, 2021, 07:39:31 AM #27 Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 09:47:07 AM by Sena
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It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved
jbseth, according to Seth, "form" can exist without "physical matter":

"Form adopts mass within the physical system, but form is not dependent upon it. Form can exist and does exist without mass and without physical matter. Form, like time, is an aid, an organization of experience. Form is used as time structures may be used, but multidimensional personalities know that they construct form as they may construct various time systems as an aid toward organizing perception." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts, Session 433)

https://amzn.eu/5a21csP


LarryH

Tonight on 60 Minutes, there will be a segment on the issue of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) recorded by the US military.
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Deb

Thanks, hopefully I'll be able to watch it. There was another UFO video in the news this week, it can be seen here https://www.tmz.com/2021/05/14/ufo-video-object-flying-near-us-navy-ship-san-diego-goes-into-ocean-uap/

A documentary I saw several years ago, UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied, is really well done but for some reason it's hard to find. Lots of credible people in it, astronauts, military, etc. It can be seen on Gaia via Amazon, first month is a free trial. https://www.amazon.com/UFO-Greatest-Story-Ever-Denied/dp/B01L7VEHMM



T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I found a free copy of The Gretest movie never told on YouTube.  Just put the title in the search bar, came up a few entries down on my search.

Thanks, it's a good movie! I'm watching it now.
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Deb

May 17, 2021, 08:21:27 AM #31 Last Edit: May 17, 2021, 08:24:50 AM by Deb
Son of a gun, I searched for it on YouTube yesterday and only came up with a non-existent movie with a link over to some streaming site that I didn't want to join. Now I found this. Thanks T.M.! I'll watch it again. I bought the DVD but I no longer have it. I remember them reporting on a major UFO event in Los Angeles in 1942, still a mystery.

The gov't should be coming out with some declassified stuff next month.

https://youtu.be/o_iNMZ18E0Q
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T.M.

Hi All,

Hi Deb,

I bet the reason it's out on YouTube is that the powers that be want it, and similar out in the public domain right now. I have no doubt the public is being prepped for something. I also found the 60 minutes interview on YT  ;D

I did very much enjoy the movie though, Thank you for referencing it.

It kind of struck me though while watching. The Gov says essentially we lied to you and hid this from you. Now we are telling you the truth, so believe what we tell you now.  I find that hilarious!

I think its ancient resurrected tech from a previous civilization. More so than aliens from another world. Unless they are giving half truths as usual.  Perhaps at one time that tech did come from aliens, long ago. Now mankind  is firmly in control of it.. I suspect that's what Ww2 was about. A chance to play with their new tech toys out into the open, and get the operating kinks worked out.  Under cover of "the war"

The Obergruppenfuhrer of the nazi division of skunk works in WW2 managed to somehow become the head of Raytheon , or some such defense company after WW2. Werner Von Braun was the head of the V2 operation for the nazis in WW2. He became the smiling face of Nasa.

I know sounds crazy, I'm going to go out on a limb and make a prediction of sorts.
They are going to disclose the alien presence. Then they are going to say the Vaccine has a component in it that allows the gov to know if your a human or an alien. That's part of why a person will have to have the jab, if they want to participate in normal daily human activities.

Really hope I'm wrong on that one!

T.M.

P.S.

The head of Raythen said some years ago that we have the tech to take E.T. home.

Sena

May 18, 2021, 02:54:18 AM #34 Last Edit: May 18, 2021, 02:58:05 AM by Sena
A quote from Michael Grosso on UFO's:

"Mysterious lights, a staple of ghostly and
visionary lore, recur in UFO sightings. UFOs sometimes assume the shape of structured disklike
craft, but behave unlike familiar physical things; they divide and unite, appear and disappear, make
right angle turns at incredible velocities, and behave in a manner more thought-like than physical.

The occupants of these strange "craft" indicate a profusion of types. Patrick Huyghe's The
Field Guide to Extraterrestrials raises questions about the ontological status of alien visitors.
Huyghe shows that behind the popular media-focused image of the small humanoid "gray" with
huge almond-shaped eyes lie reports of a bewildering variety of forms, ranging from tall blond
humans to lizardlike monsters and little aggressive blobs. Could so many different kinds of aliens
really be visiting us from distant planets and galaxies? The variability suggests the psychic, the
mind-dependent, and the mythical.

UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space.
We hear of levitation,
telepathy, apports, teleportation, strange light and heat phenomena, and materialization effects.
UFO effects and survival effects both challenge the dominant worldview on what there is. UFOs
and aliens, like ghosts and apparitions, behave as if they were not subject to normal physical
constraints."

(Michael Grosso is a teacher, author, and painter, whose interests span psychical research, metaphysical art, the parapsychology of religion, and, primarily, philosophy. He received his PhD in philosophy, and studied classical Greek, at Columbia University, and has taught at City University of New York, Marymount Manhattan College, and City University of New Jersey.)

LarryH

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UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space.
This reminds me that there have been similarities between "contactee" reports and accounts of DMT experiences. To me, the most intriguing is the occasional presence of a tall "mantis". These beings appear to be wise and powerful. If other types of beings are present in contactee reports, the mantis appears to be in charge. It has even been speculated that DMT has been somehow introduced into the experience.

In addition, Whitley Strieber's wife theorized that the visitor experience has something to do with death. This was primarily based on the fact that many experiencers report that they have observed acquaintances who have died accompanying the aliens. This may be a phenomenon of the beings somehow utilizing the experiencer's memory to create a projected vision. Other phenomena are missing time or replacing the event with a false memory, one of a 6-foot owl, for instance.
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Deb

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The Obergruppenfuhrer of the nazi division of skunk works in WW2 managed to somehow become the head of Raytheon , or some such defense company after WW2. Werner Von Braun was the head of the V2 operation for the nazis in WW2. He became the smiling face of Nasa.

Wow, that was new to me. I was curious, so I did a little research. According to a NYT obit, Wernher von Braun worked with Martin Schilling in Peenemunde, Germany during WWII developing missiles. Schilling's son said he was never a member of the Nazi party, but that's been questioned because most of his supervisors in Germany were. Schilling worked his way up to VP for research and engineering at Raytheon. From the article: "At the end of the war, von Braun and 126 Peenemunde scientists, including Dr. Schilling, were resettled at Fort Bliss, near El Paso, where they continued to develop rocketry." Schilling died in April of 2000.

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UFO craft and occupants behave like mind-matter hybrids and remain maddeningly elusive
and surreal, more like the antics of ghosts than machines from outer space.

This, and what Larry added about the mantis, and "Other phenomena are missing time or replacing the event with a false memory, one of a 6-foot owl, for instance," make me think even more that these "space travelers" are beings that have figured out how to cross over into different dimensions, maybe by taking advantage of the coordinate points Seth, where said said "realities merge". Being from another dimension or plane, they may not be limited by our physics. They may not even be physical, or at least be a different kind of physical. It's amazing we're able to see them.

"[Many of] the flying saucer appearances come from [such] a plane, [one] that is much more advanced in technological sciences than earth at this time. However, this is still not a mental-science plane. Therefore the camouflage paraphernalia appears, more or less visible, to your own astonishment. Now, so strong is this tendency for vitality to change from one apparent form to another, that what you have here in your flying object is something that is actually, as you view it, not of your plane or of [whatever] plane of its origin ... The atoms and molecules that structurally compose the UFO, and which are themselves formed by vitality, are more or less aligned according to the pattern of its own territory. Now as the craft enters your plane a distortion occurs. Its actual structure is caught in a dilemma of form ... between transforming itself completely into earth's particular camouflage pattern, and retaining its original pattern. The earthly viewer attempts to correlate what he sees with what he supposedly knows or imagines possible in the universe."
—UR2 Appendix 20: (For Session 713)

The thing is, the assumption by our scientists is they are visitors from other planets, because we can see and travel (in a way) to other planets.  I'd forgotten about the time lapses mentioned by some people who say they were abducted. I can see that happening to someone was taken aboard one of this vessels from a reality where there is no time or space. Now my mind has gone off on a tangent about how that would be possible to do that and not seriously harm the person, such as decompression sickness.
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Sena

May 18, 2021, 09:47:41 AM #37 Last Edit: May 18, 2021, 09:51:20 AM by Sena
Quote from: LarryH
This reminds me that there have been similarities between "contactee" reports and accounts of DMT experiences. To me, the most intriguing is the occasional presence of a tall "mantis". These beings appear to be wise and powerful. If other types of beings are present in contactee reports, the mantis appears to be in charge. It has even been speculated that DMT has been somehow introduced into the experience.
Larry, the DMT connection is really fascinating. Here is Dennis McKenna's rather extreme view:

"It's pretty clear from the evidence that we've reviewed that DMT is firmly embedded in
terrestrial phylogeny. It doesn't have an extraterrestrial origin, so why is this phenomenology of
DMT so much like pure science fiction? What's with the machines, and the elves, and the
nonhuman entities, and the sense of cosmic spaces? Where's that coming from? Since I can't make
the case that DMT is an extraterrestrial messenger molecule—I really can't make that fly based on
the limited evidence that we have—so let's think about an alternative hypothesis here.

That is, that we are the aliens, and built into the architecture of the human nervous system is
a set of receptors sensitive to DMT and other tryptamines that appear to open the doors to an unseen
universe teeming with nonhuman life and intelligence. What I'm suggesting here is that DMT is a
messenger molecule. It's a signal transduction molecule that works in the biosphere, on the
ecological level in the biosphere, but it's not an extraterrestrial messenger; it's a decidedly
terrestrial messenger molecule. Emanating from the heart-mind of Gaia, it's trying to send us a
message as a species."
(from DMT Dialogues: Encounters with the Spirit Molecule
by David Luke (Editor))
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Sena

Another quote from "DMT Dialogues: Encounters with the Spirit Molecule
by David Luke (Editor)":

"Perhaps the "aliens" are us from the future—highly evolved humans who have mastered time and
space and are returning in time in an ethereal nonmaterial form to influence our development.

Perhaps they're a super sophisticated alternate alien species scientifically observing us in the
laboratory we call Earth just as we observe our subspecies in laboratories and zoos.

We are forever trapped by our senses and the perceived confines of our temporal and spatial
environment. What if parallel universes do exist, and access between those universes and our own
has been mastered by beings unconstrained by material bodies?
"
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Deb

May 18, 2021, 03:17:12 PM #39 Last Edit: May 19, 2021, 11:23:34 AM by Deb
Quote from: McKenna
That is, that we are the aliens, and built into the architecture of the human nervous system is
a set of receptors sensitive to DMT and other tryptamines that appear to open the doors to an unseen
universe teeming with nonhuman life and intelligence. What I'm suggesting here is that DMT is a
messenger molecule.

I wonder how they know it's not of ET origin? We are supposedly partially ET:

"Now. Your human stock did not all originate solely from your planet. I never told you that it did. In that respect your ancestry is indeed varied."
—TPS2 Session 604 January 12, 1972

I think McKenna was on to something when he wrote that we are the aliens. I also used to wonder if the aliens are us from the future, giving us some nudges in the right direction, until I started adapting to the concept of simultaneous time. But on second thought, our "future" selves would just be ourselves in another plane, the way our other incarnations are. Boy non-linear time can get complicated. At least in my head.

Quote from: McKenna
We are forever trapped by our senses and the perceived confines of our temporal and spatial
environment. What if parallel universes do exist, and access between those universes and our own
has been mastered by beings unconstrained by material bodies?"

Whoa. That fits right in with what I said about the crossing into other dimensions by use of the coordinate points. I bet this guy would love the Seth materials.

I was just going to do a little searching to see if there's info about whether he's read Seth, and then I saw the link to his book. Thanks Sena, that's where I'll start.

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Sena

Quote from: Deb
Whoa. That fits right in with what I said about the crossing into other dimensions by use of the coordinate points. I bet this guy would love the Seth materials.
Deb, I had not thought of coordination points as "gateways" to other dimensions, but Seth does seem to be saying that:

"Some of my readers may be familiar with "black" and "white holes" in space, that your scientists have recently discovered. (Some theoretical physicists have postulated recently that when the nuclear fires of very massive stars are finally extinguished, their enormous gravity causes them to collapse so completely that they literally squeeze themselves out of existence. A "black hole" is thus left in space, and surrounding matter can disappear into this. (It's been further suggested that this vanishing matter can show up elsewhere, either in our universe or others, through "white holes." There would be a flow of matter in our universe and also between universes, keeping things in balance.) These points have somewhat the same qualities. The electromagnetic aspects of thoughts and emotions, the animations, are drawn through points that can compare to miniature black holes. Here their energy momentarily disappears from your system, is immeasurably accelerated, however, and returned through what you might call a miniature white hole — concentrated now, and highly directed back into your system of reality." (from "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts)

https://amzn.eu/4qu0zaO
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Deb

May 19, 2021, 11:36:17 AM #42 Last Edit: May 19, 2021, 04:24:47 PM by Deb
Quote from: Sena
Deb, I had not thought of coordination points as "gateways" to other dimensions, but Seth does seem to be saying that:

Here's more from SS:

"These points are not recognized as such, but they are points of what you could call double reality, containing great energy potential; coordinate points, indeed, where realities merge.
. . .

There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another."
—SS Chapter 5: Session 524, April 20, 1970

Larry, thanks for the link. I remember one of the observers saying it splashed when it entered the ocean, but I couldn't see that in the video. Seeing that and then thinking back on the "Battle of Los Angeles" makes me wonder if there's a major coordination point in that area. I've heard stories of UFOs hovering over and entering oceans before.


LarryH

I just made a connection (if my memory is correct). I think Seth said that there was a coordinate point in Utah. That's where Skinwalker Ranch is, where all kinds of anomalous events have occurred (UFOs, cryptids, missing time, things popping in and out of vortexes, etc.). The area was known by the indigenous population, but it did not get much publicity until Bob Bigelow bought the ranch to study it, I believe long after what Seth said. He has since sold it to someone else. The History Channel has a series on the place.

Sena

May 19, 2021, 12:48:04 PM #44 Last Edit: May 19, 2021, 12:51:00 PM by Sena
Quote from: Deb
There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another
May be something like wormholes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormholes_in_fiction

LarryH

"Briefly, in your own country, the West Coast, portions of the East Coast, Utah, the Great Lakes, the Chicago area, the Minneapolis area, and some other southwestern areas, are in those neighborhoods of excellent coordinate activity, for the reasons given. Materialization will quickly appear, and potentials therefore for both constructive and destructive elements are high."
—SS Chapter 5: Session 525, April 22, 1970
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LarryH

Obama offers serious take on puzzling nature of Navy UFO encounters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp6Ph5iTIgc
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Deb

Now that was funny, thanks for sharing. The fact that he said he could not talk about it, and then said he was also told no when he asked for more info, says a lot. And I think Mr. O did a little deflecting himself.  ;)

Deb

I've recently been added to Ron Card's short list for direct emails from a now-defunct Yahoo group. I don't spend much time on Facebook, so it's actually been good for me since I can save these emails and read them when I have time—usually at 3 am, lol. I thought I'd share this one from yesterday. Ron has mentioned many times that when he was 20-something he was contacted by and sort of adopted by an ET—in an educational sense. Ron had the questions, ET had the answers. For now I just thought I'd share this and see how it goes. As I've mentioned before, he also attends "Seth University" nightly during his dream state.

[spoiler=Ron Card on ET]Some have asked what I learned from an ET visitor, and it all runs compatible with what Seth teaches.

Briefly, I was told by this ET visitor that to our level of thinking and comprehension that God has to be explained, not a a supreme being, not as a personified, objectified deity, not a man up on a cloud, but rather God is the primary omnipotent electrical energy force -- source that holds all creation together and from which all creation emerges.

The God energy is all-pervasive, within everything, so we and God are inextricably connected. We are all co-creators of reality. That we are all portions of God and God is a portion of us.

It was necessary, early on for the speakers to teach in ways that was easy for early mankind, in his limited comprehension, to understand, so a God was INVENTED, along with a devil, a heaven and a hell because that was the extent and reach of early man's beliefs, he needed a God up above to keep him in line, and later, ego man seized upon the God man in heaven and monopolized God for their selfish benefit and religions sprang up to continue control over the people.

2,000 years ago, Speakers could not reveal that God was electricity, you see. We have come a long way since. Hope this helps...ron

Again, briefly, the human form, as we know it, is rather universal throughout the cosmos, however, the type of skin covering and color of skin, and size of stature varies widely as well as distinguishing human features and characteristics. All humans have one head, two arms and two legs, same internal organs, only the size, and outside packaging varies.

Not all alien life can be seen by us because of our particular vibration, like our different broadcast channel of physical life. Most aliens are not perceivable to us, nor us to them. Actually, less than 1% of all consciousness ever becomes physical, as we know it. Our physical reality exists within a small wave band spectrum of vibration, or, our vibratory frequency rate. We exist in vibratory, pulsating wave form.

For example, the Black (Negro) Race was colonized to earth by aliens over many 1,000s of years ago from a number of planets where the entire civilization was pure Black, yet other planets having civilizations of different shades of black to brown. The last colonized Black people were deposited, situated mainly in Africa. Not all our earth stock originated on earth, many of our races came from the stars spread out over millions of years as we understand time.

This is school house earth, and we were purposely combined in order to learn how to get along with one another and live in peace and harmony and equality...before we are allowed to move on to other realities and dimensions...we must learn, for example, that it is a violation to kill. -- ron [/spoiler]
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usmaak

Not all of it runs compatible with Seth's teachings.

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For example, the Black (Negro) Race was colonized to earth by aliens over many 1,000s of years ago from a number of planets where the entire civilization was pure Black, yet other planets having civilizations of different shades of black to brown. The last colonized Black people were deposited, situated mainly in Africa. Not all our earth stock originated on earth, many of our races came from the stars spread out over millions of years as we understand time.

Granted that I have just started the early sessions books but I do not remember anything like this or about aliens being responsible for colonizing earth in any way.