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Re: UFO's
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2020, 02:00:13 AM »
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  • Hi All,

    Hey, I was just re-reading that UFO article. Did I read this UFO article correctly? Does it really say what it seems to say?


    "The New York Times reports that a small group of government officials and scientists believe that objects of “undetermined origin” have crashed to Earth and been retrieved, including former Sen. Harry Reid. While some have been found to be man-made materials, there are question marks over others."


    Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of “undetermined origin” that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved? 

    Wow that's quite a statement. I wonder what planet he comes from?  :)  :)  :) 

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    « Reply #2 on: July 25, 2020, 05:31:37 PM »
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    Does it really say that, "former Sen. Harry Reid" is an object of “undetermined origin” that has crashed to the Earth and has been retrieved?

    Ha ha ha.

    I've had no personal experience with UFOs, but I can't discount them either. I just don't understand why, if they are real, the government would withhold that information. I've seen enough videos and even documentaries that keep my mind open.

    I was a big X Files fan. I do believe the truth is out there. It's just getting to the truth that's difficult.
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    « Reply #3 on: March 23, 2021, 01:44:11 PM »
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  • Well maybe something interesting is coming our way soon!

    Quote from: PopMech article
    It’s unclear why Ratcliffe has decided to speak out about UAP now, although the former Director of Intelligence’s remarks may foreshadow a major report the Pentagon is set to release in the coming months. Indeed, 2021 promises to be one of the most significant years ever for the advancement of UFO disclosure—and that follows a year in which the U.S. Navy officially released three videos that show UFOs are genuine.

    The UAPTF is the first official government program affiliated with UFO research since a 2000s-era unit that analyzed unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and other UAP lost its funding in 2012, even though multiple sources confirmed with Popular Mechanics that the unit remained active in secrecy after its shuttering.

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a35904670/pentagon-ufo-reports-objects-breaking-sound-barrier-without-sonic-boom/
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    « Reply #4 on: March 23, 2021, 08:47:35 PM »
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  • Hi Deb, Hi All,

    Thanks for the post and the heads up on possible future UFO information unvailing.

    In the recent US Navy data that was released, they mentioned a UAP that went from near sea level to something like 35,000 feet in a very short time period. Must faster than the speed of sound.

    Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?

    Maybe they should take a look at what Seth had to say?  :)

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    « Reply #5 on: March 24, 2021, 05:06:43 AM »
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    Given some of the interesting things that Seth has said, the thought has occurred to me that maybe the UAP transitions from FW1 to FW2 in an instant. Then while in FW2 it rematerialized back into FW1 at 35,000 feet, so fast that the US Navy thinks that its actually moving through FW1 the entire time?
    jbseth, I agree that interpretation makes a lot of sense.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 15, 2021, 11:06:29 PM »
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  • Hi All,

    Once again, today there's more video and news about US Navy video of UFO's or UAP (Unidentifed Ariel Phenomenon) in the news.

    The video of this triangular UFO is pretty amazing.



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    « Reply #7 on: April 16, 2021, 12:59:56 AM »
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  • Hi All,

    And a slightly different one that shows some very clear images from a Navy fighter Jet.



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    Re: UFO's
    « Reply #8 on: April 16, 2021, 10:11:44 PM »
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  • This is all very surreal to me.  I've joked around about UFOs for years.  When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.  When I was in college, I thought I saw one.  I was getting back to the apartment that I was renting and I saw a bunch of lights in the sky.  There was no storms and it was completely quiet.  I don't really know what it could have been.  If it was a plane or a helicopter, there would have been noise.  And no, I wasn't drinking or taking anything.  I just dismissed it as something unknown that, I was sure, had a perfectly rational explanation.

    Where I live, we have a lot of Altocumulus Standing Lenticular clouds.  I joke around that 90% of UFO sightings are lenticular clouds because they look like alien spacecraft.

    I also think that I saw a ghost once, but that was likely just waking up from a vivid dream.

    I've never believed in either, but it is curious that there are news stories from legitimate, non "National Enquirer" sources talking about UFOs.  Only I guess these wouldn't be little green men from the planet Xenon or something like that.

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    Re: UFO's
    « Reply #9 on: April 17, 2021, 11:19:42 AM »
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    When I was a kid, I used to watch a show on UFOs (it was the 70s) every week.


    Hi usmaak, Hi All,

    That’s quite interesting. It sounds like, in one way at least, we have had a very similar experience when growing up. Seeing something on TV about UFO’s

    When I was a kid, probably around the time I was 10 years old (1964) I saw a movie on TV about UFO’s. This movie wasn’t one of those 1950’s sci-fy thrillers. Instead it was much more like a documentary. I think it probably was probably the movie mentioned in the link below.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_(1956_film)

    Given what they said in this movie, especially the part near the end where as I recall, in 1952, there were UFO’s reported over Washington D. C., I always tended to think that there may actually be something to these UFO claims.

    I’ve always tended to think about then in terms of both science (Carl Sagan, saying that there are millions and millions of stars) and science fiction shows like “Star Trek”. As in perhaps the beings behind these UFO’s sightings are guided by some sort of “Prime Directive”. And maybe as in the Genesis Project in the movie Star Trek III, “The Search for Spock”, we are actually the result of some sort of science project that they started here on earth millions of years ago and have been occasionally monitoring us for a very long time.

    Science tells us that there are millions of “galaxies” not just millions of stars.

    If you consider how far, we have come, from a technology standpoint, in the last 500 years, consider where we might be in a million years from now, if we were to keep up at this rate.

    It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


    Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.

    Along with this, now that we’ve developed space craft and nuclear weapons, maybe they’ve been more interested in seeing where we go with this and so they’ve started to monitor us more closely.

    This all seems “plausible” to me.


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    Re: UFO's
    « Reply #10 on: April 17, 2021, 02:59:43 PM »
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  • In 1974, I was watching a documentary on UFOs that may or may not be the one mentioned above, but it did show film of the UFOs over Washington DC in 1952. The documentary included an interview with a witness, who was an officer in the Navy at the time. I was living in San Diego County, where many Navy personnel retired. I found his name in the phone book and called him and asked him if he had been in a UFO documentary, he said yes, so I told him that it was on TV right now. He thanked me, and we hung up.

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    Re: UFO's
    « Reply #11 on: April 17, 2021, 05:05:14 PM »
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    It seems conceivable that within the millions of galaxies, there might be some planets where life has evolved. Furthermore, perhaps this life was technological where we are at today, say 1 million years ago. With that kind of an advanced technology, they may have figured out some ways of bridging the enormous space gap between them and us and have also figured out a way to come here and both create and observe us.


    Maybe their prime directive requires that they not to interfere or make first contact with us until we develop to a certain point both technologically and perhaps spiritually.
    Maybe they communicate with us through things like Seth and religion.  Maybe things like Seth and religion are ways to keep us under control.  Maybe they're meant to comfort our fear of death.  So many possibilities.

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    « Reply #12 on: April 17, 2021, 05:13:06 PM »
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  • Great videos. I love when the witnesses are military, they probably know more about our technology than most, and so something like those catching their attention means more to me.

    My first hearing about UFOs was when my mother bought a book about Betty and Barney Hill being "abducted by aliens" in 1961. Looking at the Wiki, they also made a movie about it in 1975. I never knew what to think about all of that, as I'd never seen any UFOs myself. That is, until about 2 years ago. I was driving east on I-70 one bright and clear morning and saw far off to the SE of where I was something just hanging in the sky. It didn't look like it was moving, just hanging there. It was pretty far away so I couldn't see details, basically just the shape of it. It was large, dark grey or black and looked like it was some sort of SteamPunk thing. I got to glance at it a couple of times and then lost sight of it. Could it have been a blimp? I Googled "blimp over Denver" and I came up with several links about the Dept of Transportation testing a blimp to monitor in 2015, but this didn't look anything like what they were doing and I don't think they followed through with them. I've seen blimps before, this didn't have the familiar shape and certainly wasn't blue with Goodyear in yellow letters. Oh well, who knows.

    It seems there have been a lot of sightings over the years. I'm looking forward to June when more stuff is unclassified. I also figure if they truly are ETs, if they meant us harm we would have been wiped out a long time ago.  ;D

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    « Reply #13 on: April 17, 2021, 05:35:33 PM »
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  • This. ;D

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    « Reply #14 on: April 17, 2021, 05:41:53 PM »
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  • Love it! I agree about the C- too, maybe even a D.

    Does anyone remember the old Twilight Zone where these people wake up in a strange town, everything is props, the train they get on to escape keeps looping? In the end it's a giant little girl's toy town, mom says, "Be careful with your pets, dear--your father brought them all the way from Earth."

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    « Reply #15 on: April 18, 2021, 03:08:12 PM »
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  • Hi All,

    I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

    Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

    Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

    -jbseth

     

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    « Reply #16 on: April 18, 2021, 03:17:10 PM »
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    Hi All,

    I'm wondering if maybe the US Navy and maybe others in the government is "testing the waters" so to speak, with these recent UFO releases, just to find out just how much the public will or won't react to it, if more UFO information is released in the future.

    Perhaps this is really just a test trial in order to see if they can release other, perhaps more significant information on this subject.

    Is this perhaps, the beginning of more to come?

    -jbseth

     
    Is the public even responding?  When I was on CNN the other day, the latest UFO story was well below the latest political goings on and anything COVID related.  It was basically relegated to the same area that most Enquirer type stories go.

    And that's funny.  Because 20 - 30 years ago, this would have been plastered all the front page of every newspaper and other news source in the entire world.

    The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.  QAnon and conspiracy theories about the Bill Gates trying to control us with microchips in vaccines is getting more airtime.

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    « Reply #17 on: April 29, 2021, 04:50:29 AM »
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    The lack of importance given by the media to these stories is actually a bit surprising.
    This is one of the mysterious aspects of the UFO phenomenon. The following is an extract from a book I am reading:

    "FUNDAMENTAL CONUNDRUM Why doesn’t a Superior Intelligence contact humans openly?
    1. If there are advanced alien intelligent creatures in our Universe, why aren’t they already on Earth?
    2. Why don’t we observe activities of alien civilizations in the cosmos: robotic space probes, accidents, astroengineering, star wars, spaceships, communications, signals, or radio wave leakage?
    3. What is the UFO phenomenon? There are countless reports of UFO sightings, abductions, and encounters with alleged alien creatures. In the U.S. alone, more than six million people claim to have been taken up into UFOs. Still no conclusive and definite evidence is yet available that would prove the existence of UFOs as real extraterrestrial spacecraft.
    Why don’t superior intelligences from our Universe, other universes, from the supposed other dimensions, or from wherever they are contact us in an open manner or officially?
    For the mega-civilizations, we are like a Monopoly game on the table, next to the sandwiches and the beer: we are totally visible, accessible, manipulable, and contactable." (from "The Fermi Paradox: 100 solutions and the survival of mankind" by Alexander Popoff)

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    « Reply #18 on: May 01, 2021, 04:53:07 PM »
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  • I keep seeing articles popping up about this topic.

    This is the latest one that I saw.  Published just a few days ago.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

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    « Reply #19 on: May 02, 2021, 03:26:53 AM »
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  • "According to John A. Keel, the UFOs and their crews are some sort of electromagnetic energy controlled by a superior nonhuman intelligence. Keel wrote in his book Operation Trojan Horse, “Somewhere in this tangled mass of electromagnetic frequencies there lies an omnipotent intelligence, however. This intelligence is able to manipulate energy. It can, quite literally, manipulate any kind of object into existence on our plane." (from "The Fermi Paradox: They are here and control us" by Alexander Popoff)

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    Seth had some interesting things to say about electromagnetic reality:

    "All of an individual’s experiences, even those of which he is not aware on a conscious basis, therefore are part of the electromagnetic reality that forms this particular individual’s electromagnetic identity. It exists within the physical matter of the organism during existence within the physical system. While the experiences which form this framework and compose this individual’s identity are obtained through his interaction with the physical system, his electromagnetic identity is not dependent upon the physical field."
    —TES4 Session 197 October 11, 1965
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    « Reply #20 on: May 02, 2021, 08:49:05 AM »
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  • Hi All,

    I’ve always found that what Seth had to say about UFO’s in UR2, Appendix 20, to be quite interesting. It speaks to what, at least some of these UFO’s might be. Distortions that occur due to travel between different planes or realities.

    It also potentially explains some of the strange siting’s that humans have seen, such as possibly the Jersey Devil and the Mothman phenomena.

    Finally, it also explains some of the strange phenomena (such as the ability to go off at right angles) that apparently has been witnessed by the US Navy such as in the incredible changes in altitude, in very short periods of time.

    If what Seth says here is true, then it may be a long time before either the US Navy or anyone else, figures out what this UFO phenomena really is.

    In the spoiler below, I’ve given some of what Seth talks about in this Appendix.


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    « Reply #21 on: May 02, 2021, 10:35:51 AM »
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    This sort of experience involves a sudden psychic awareness, straight from the entity, that all boundaries are for practical purposes only. However, there are indeed many kinds of science. There are a number of sciences dealing just with locomotion. Had the human species gone into certain mental disciplines as thoroughly as it has explored technological disciplines, its practical transportation system would be vastly different, and yet by this time even more practical than it is now. (With amusement:) I am making this point because I want it made plain — this, dear Joseph, is a pun — that when I speak of science on another plane I may not speak of the plain old science that you know.
    jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.

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    « Reply #22 on: May 02, 2021, 12:32:10 PM »
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    jbseth, it seems to me that Seth was reticent about UFO's, and only revealed a tiny fraction of the knowledge he had. He may have thought that for the human race, with its several arsenals of nuclear weapons, too much knowledge could have been a dangerous thing.


    Hi Sena, Hi All,

    I don’t think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO’s and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

    UR2, S743:

    (Long pause.) The unknown reality, dash — Many of you, I know, would like to find in this book answers pertaining to Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, UFO’s3, and many other such questions. Those matters certainly seem pertinent in the framework of your experience and beliefs. You already have a great variety of explanations offered: Writers in many fields have produced books about such topics. By far the greater questions, however, are those pertaining to the unknown reality of the psyche, and those that relate to the kind of being who perceives in one way or another an Atlantis, a Bermuda Triangle, a UFO — for in greater terms, until you ask deeper questions about yourselves, these other experiences will remain mysterious. You cannot understand perceived events unless you understand who perceives them. You must learn more about the slant of your own consciousness before you are in a position to ask truly pertinent questions about the reality that you perceive.

    [...]

    When I consider those (Atlantis, UFO’s, and so forth) and other such matters, it will be from a much different perspective. By then you — my readers — will be familiar enough with the unknown reality to understand answers given in a different context. Period.



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    « Reply #23 on: May 02, 2021, 01:40:46 PM »
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    I don’t think that Seth was really all that interested in addressing topics like UFO’s and the Bermuda Triangle. Instead he seemed to be much more focused upon teaching us about the inner world and the psyche.

    jbseth, I agree. What it means for us is that we have to continue to speculate about the meaning of these phenomena. It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.
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    « Reply #24 on: May 03, 2021, 01:31:26 PM »
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  • Hi All,

    Hi Sena,

    I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.

    I do think the various countries/governments of the world have developed some pretty impressive crafts that they aren't telling anyone else about, for obvious reasons.
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    « Reply #25 on: May 04, 2021, 03:33:49 AM »
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    I concur that at this time and probably for awhile to come, we are not being visited by beings from another system. I concluded this after reading one of the TES books, I don't recall which one. I'm not saying it's never happened, or never will either.
    T.M., I am interested in the spiritual aspects of the alien contact phenomenon. One person who studied this was the Harvard psychiatrist John Edward Mack. The following is a quote from one of his books:

    "The alien abduction phenomenon is one among a number of manifestations—including near-death experiences, intricate crop formations, apparitions of many kinds, unexplained powers of healing (Dossey 1993b; Cooperstein 1996), and parapsychology ( Jahn and Dunne 1987; Radin 1997)—that are forcing us to appreciate that cosmic realities exist beyond the three-dimensional universe that has bounded our earthly existence. There seem to be as many names for these domains as there are methods of approaching them: the “implicate order,” the “invisible world,” “other dimensions,” and “transpersonal” or “daimonic reality” are a few of them. Philosophers like Michael Zimmerman (Travis 1998) and Michael Grosso (2004) posit a “third zone” of reality that is neither purely internal nor external but lies beyond, including or subsuming the familiar dualism of inner and outer worlds. Whatever words we may use to describe this realm or realms, it appears ever more likely that we exist in a multidimensional cosmos or multiverse, within which space and time appear to be constructs of the mind that order or simplify the chaos of energy and vibration in which we are immersed." (from "Passport to the Cosmos" by John E. Mack)

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    « Reply #26 on: May 04, 2021, 10:05:11 AM »
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    It is unlikely that there are purely physical craft arriving from another star system.


    Hi Sena, Hi All,

    I think that this may depend upon what you choose to believe.

    It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved. Possibly from another star system.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_incident


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill


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    « Reply #27 on: May 05, 2021, 07:39:31 AM »
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    It seems to me that both the Roswell incident and the Barney and Betty Hill story may have been incidents where there was a physical craft involved
    jbseth, according to Seth, "form" can exist without "physical matter":

    "Form adopts mass within the physical system, but form is not dependent upon it. Form can exist and does exist without mass and without physical matter. Form, like time, is an aid, an organization of experience. Form is used as time structures may be used, but multidimensional personalities know that they construct form as they may construct various time systems as an aid toward organizing perception." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts, Session 433)

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