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Started by chasman, August 09, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
Quote from: jbseth"But the ego is destined to dissolve, and all of its ossified structures, whether they be religious or other institutions, corporations, or governments, will disintegrate from within, no matter how deeply entrenched they appear to be."This concept, this idea of dissolving the ego, so that you can become aware of a higher state of awareness or a higher state of consciousness, is fairly typical of some Eastern philosophies (Hinduism and Buddhism).
Quote from: jbsethOn Google, it says the following:nihilism: the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless.While I did understand the word to mean "life is meaningless", I didn't pick up on the concept of the rejection of moral principles.
Quote from: jbsethGiven this then, I'm thinking that Hindu's who practice dissolving the ego aren't necessarily nihilistic
Quote from: chasmanour outer egos are here to learn, not be dissolved.thank you both for pointing out this major difference between Seth and Mister T (Tolle).
Quote from: chasmanI'll say again, I hear Mister T say a lot things that I really like a super lot.(not I pity the fool though.)
Quote from: jbsethThe concept of nirvana (see the 637th session in Chapter Nine) and the idea of heaven are two versions of the same picture, the former being one in which individuality is lost in the bliss of undifferentiated consciousness, and the latter one in which still-conscious individuals perform mindless adoration.
Quote from: chasmanand that quote from NOPR is soooo good jbseth.
Quote from: chasmanThomas Jefferson went through the Bible and cut out the stuff he thought was bullschtein.that might be interesting to do with the Power of Now.
Quote from: jbsethHi Chasman,OK. Here we go. The wisdom of the ages - according to jbseth. Regarding what is true in our search for truth, life and meaning such as in regard to issues like, do we have a "soul", there are 2 quotes that I think really speak to me about this issue. One of these comes from Seth and one doesn't, but basically they both remind me about something that I believe is very significant and true.Quote 1: (from Soren Kierkegaard)"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true."Quote 2: (from Seth, "Seth Speaks", Appendix, Session 596)[...] Those who persist, therefore, in shielding their truths from questions threaten to destroy the validity of their knowledge.Again, those who are so certain of their answers will lack that need to know that can lead them into still greater dimensions of understanding.For many questions like, do we have a soul, I don't know the actual answer. What I do is look into what people have to say on the topic from all different kinds of viewpoints. I also remind myself of the 2 quotes above understanding that I could be wrong either way. Then, I ask myself, if I was a betting man (which I'm not) and I had to make a significant financial bet on the correct answer to some question like, do we have a soul, one way or the other, knowing that somehow the correct answer to the question did exist and could be divulged, which way would I bet.And then, understanding the implications of these 2 quotes that I could be wrong either ways I looked at it, based upon my knowledge and life experience, I would answer this question to what I believe is most likely to be true.In this process, however, I remind myself about these two quotations. In addition to this, I also constantly remind myself, that nobody else, regardless of what they say, can actually answer this question, for me. I've learned that while some people, are absolutely convinced that they know the answer to some question, sometimes, these people are so convinced that they are right, that they don't see the truth of what Seth says in the second sentence of his quote above.I've also learned that just because some answer seems right to me, this doesn't mean that it's right for someone else, and visa versa, nor does it mean that it's actually right.Because of this, please don't change any of your answers to what you get from Mr. T and his book, just because I may see things differently than you. You have to follow what is true for you.While it may appear that perhaps I'm trying to influence you to see things the way I do, I'm really not doing that. Instead, I'm testing what I think, against the things you say, to see if what I think is really valid.Thanks for your willingness to participate in this dialogue. -jbseth
Quote from: jbsethHi Chasman, Hi All,Hey, I think that you've tapped into some inner truth here that perhaps exists between us. I've always been a huge Beatles and George Harrison fan. That was an awesome video. Thank you for sharing that.
Quote from: jbsethI like all of George Harrison's songs. As I understand it, the Beatles became followers of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. I think that this association probably influenced George's thinking in terms of spiritual ideas. Nothing wrong with that. I think that George was probably the most spiritually minded member of the group. One of my favorite George Harrison songs is "My Sweet Lord". They had some interesting things to say about this song (some things that I didn't know) in the wikipedia site below.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Sweet_Lord
Quote from: jbsethWhile I rag on these eastern philosophies regarding this denial of the flesh idea, there is actually a whole lot about Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism that I really relate to.I think that one of the most amazing books that I've ever read is "Autobiography of a Yogi", by Paramahansa Yogananda. There were so many incredible story's in his book about various yogi's and what they did (and even in one case some stories about a Christian nun - Therese Neumann) that it really opened my mind to life's possibilities.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therese_Neumann
Quote from: jbsethThen there's the Dalai Lama. He's such an awesome and peaceful human being. My wife and I went to see him, maybe 10 years ago, when he gave a talk in Portland, Oregon.In Huston Smiths book, "The World's Religions", under the chapter on Buddhism, he writes about the Dalai Lama. Here, in talking about how the function of the Dalai Lama is not accurately likened to the Pope, he says, "That function is to incarnate on earth the celestial principle of which compassion or mercy is the defining feature." How awesome is that?
Quote from: jbsethI think that the Dalai Lama comes very close to expressing that principle.What a concept for a religion to have. One of their leaders is a person who role models, compassion or mercy. Wow, that's powerful.
Quote from: jbsethAlong with this, I also really like the writings and wisdom of Thich Nhat Hanh, another Buddhist.
Quote from: jbsethThis is the reason why, I keep trying to say that while I don't align with many of Mr. T's ideas, I also don't want you to change whatever thoughts you may have about them.While I align with many of Seth's teachings, I've been deeply moved by many of the spiritual ideas of these eastern philosophies.
Quote from: chasmanalso, I have long been a fan of the legendary NY Yankee yogi, Yogi Berra.I love yogi-isms.in fact, if there were no Seth, I would seriously consider starting a religion, with Yogi as our spiritual leader.as he is no longer with us, perhaps I could figure out a way to channel him, and get him to dictate a few books.just a thought.
Quote from: chasmanhow do you do that?
Quote from: DebNormally I compose my longer posts off line and those with a lot of quotes. I'm on a Mac so use Text Edit. If the topic is one visible to the public, you won't even need to log in to harvest the quotes.
Quote from: DebUsually, I'll highlight the first bit of text that I want to quote, click the Quote button at the top of the post and it puts it in the Quick Reply box below. Then do it again for the next quote, and next quote, and so on.
Quote from: DebI've done a screen capture of a part of #32, I colored the tags yellow so you can see how that works. All the text formatting on the forum uses these open & close tags.
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