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Started by s1nbad, April 04, 2022, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: inavalan on April 04, 2022, 03:20:57 PMRegarding the "reincarnational background", it is generally understood as being imposed on you, which Seth says isn't so. He says that past incarnations might create a psychological predisposition for some situations to be experienced, but to actually experience them depends on your focus, thoughts, emotions, beliefs, expectations, now in this current life, because this is actually what shapes your current physical-reality. If you believe that your predicament in this life is caused (justified) by something you did in a previous life, this will just add to your current predicament, and will make it more difficult to overcome it, than if you constientize that your reality is shaped only by your current focus, thoughts, emotions, beliefs, expectations.
Quote from: s1nbad on April 04, 2022, 01:04:17 PMDo the poor not choose poverty? I cannot create someone else's reality for them, I can only help them help themselves.
Quote from: Mark M on April 13, 2022, 07:06:21 PMI just take it for granted that there are seeming contradictions like this.Like the seeming contradiction that one can violate another even tho the violated has created that reality for h/herself.
Quote from: Mark M on April 14, 2022, 08:43:00 PMinavalan wrote:"One (X) violates another (Y) in X's reality, not in Y's reality."Yeah, I don't know."There are laws of a sort that govern these matters. But you can mark my words: In one way or another, all debts are paid. These so-called debts are actually challenges to the particular personalities involved. The word debt implies guilt, and such a connotation is not my intention."The sense of original sin, however, which unfortunately has been made so much of, is undoubtedly in part an inner recognition of debts of this sort, hanging over the personality at birth. But again there is no guilt in the terms usually applied to that word."—Seth, TES1, Session 21 February 3, 1964
Quote from: Mark M on April 14, 2022, 09:06:09 PMinavalan wrote:"You replied like my late mother when she disagreed with me but didn't have arguments"She'd quote Seth?
Quote from: Mark MYeah, I don't know.
Quote from: Mark M on April 14, 2022, 09:17:20 PM"...but didn't have arguments..."
Quote from: s1nbad on April 04, 2022, 01:04:17 PMYou cannot say, "The poor are poor simply because they chose poverty, and therefore there is no need for me to help them." This attitude can easily draw poverty to you in the next experience."—SS Part Two: Chapter 12: Session 551, September 30, 1970Do the poor not choose poverty? I cannot create someone else's reality for them, I can only help them help themselves.
QuoteThis only makes some sense in the context of helping people help themselves, by showing them that they create their realities via their beliefs -- but even then I cannot make someone understand that.. and I do not feel the need to expend the effort to do so if they are not receptive.
Quote from: inavalan on April 04, 2022, 05:21:30 PMI don't think that any "oversoul" chooses to suffer in the next incarnation, but that when it decides when in the physical-time, where in the 3d-physical-space, and in what probability, to enter the physical-reality hyperspace, it has an idea of the challenges involved, and of what it can accomplish; surely, it better be realistic about its capabilities (a first grader who decides to enroll in a calculus class will do very poorly no matter what, excepting being a genius).Suffering results from making poor choices at outer-self level.So, no oversoul chooses to be poor (to suffer for being poor), but function of how it faces the challenges, if it makes poor choices, it might experience poverty and suffering.Suffering isn't required for evolving toward value fulfilment, but it may happen if your performance is poor.
Quote from: strangerthings on April 17, 2022, 11:43:06 AM@Doro Repercussions? No.None of your other lives hold any power over you. You don't owe a debt to other lives. And if you do make a "poor choice", you can learn from that and make new ones. When you make these new choices it ripples through all of your life. And I wouldn't necessarily call it a poor choice I myself would say you got some feedback. Do we make mistakes? We make choices according to the resources that we have at any given moment. If you did not know certain things and you made a choice based on all of that why would it be a poor choice? _____Well I thought if this is happening to me / us, I should have to learn/transform something I didn't get by now. 🤔I am walking in familiar territory here when you talk about your children. I have found that the best way through it is to understand that it is over. When you focus on these things you relive it every time you think about it. And every time you think about it and this is going to sound very harsh but it is very true every time you think about it you redo the situation. If you see a child that has been abused and you think of that child as being abused every day you think about this more than just once or twice... That child gets abused every time you think about that child being abused. _______This is true. I was in exactly that situation. And my daughters told me I should go to therapy because they knew I was thinking about it and they were always reminded. And this I did. But it took me a long time to look at them without thinking about what happened. Because I felt guilty too. It's over and that is so very important to connect. __________Yes absolutely. Just today my daughter said to me hey we survived. Let's do something we love and what makes us happy (this was after a difficult episode of depressing thoughts and feelings). We're working on it with good results 😊And no of course not that is not what you tell your children that they chose this that would do way more harm. Do you love them? Of course you do and that will be an emphasis that they are loved that they are safe and that it's over. _________Yes I know. I would never tell them that. But look, how can one say that one choose to be in such a situation? This question is haunting me... This is why I got so caught up in this There is a lot more than I could say about this but it is a very fine line of territory and it's a very tricky conversation to have.If they have an outlet if it is something that stresses them out I encourage for your children to have an outlet. For me it was sports and dancing growing up. And looking back I'm very thankful that I had those because it redirected my attention. ___________ They are doing what they can bc they are aware of the effects, like running, rollerskater and yoga. They do love yoga. There are times when it does not work but they try to do a routine bc it makes them feel better. Bringing more love and joy into their life will help tremendously. ______Yes! You have a great opportunity here for bonding, for being creative in how to direct their attention away from it because it is over, and you have a great opportunity here for some great healing. _________That is true. It took us a few years to connect very strongly. And we indeed feel a great love between us. Another thing that really helped me and it wasn't until I was older much older that I had this opportunity but I cannot stress how important it was for me to have this and how much it helped.... find some wonderful men in the world that you could use as a role model for them to associate with instead of their father.For example: I had a hard time finding a man that I could use as an example and then I thought of Tom Bosley from happy days. The happy days father so whenever I thought about my father I would instantly think of Tom Bosley it would counter any stress that I might perchance focus on when I thought of my father. It helped me to know that there were other men in the world that were wonderful besides my father. And of course this list has grown by leaps and bounds since then because once I saw Tom Bosley I could then see other men that were just as wonderful.I think it's very important to have that association. ___________This happened to us too. I didn't get how important it is until you mentioned it now. I did meet another man and I live with him now. He is a very gentel man. And after knowing him for 2 years my daughters told me that now they can start to believe that there are men who are very kind and caring. They were able to build a relationship to him and they look at him like a step-dad. This is really good. And this is from personal experiences and discussions with others and really really looking into how I can best move forward gently with love.I used to think that there was something wrong with me that I was a loser that I was a failure etc. etc. etc. I used to think I was unloved by my father and that he never wanted me and I now know that isn't so. I have learned that that is not the case. I also learned more about his life and how he grew up and the resources that he had. I did an exercise around my father and his family that I went back in time and saw his parents family have all the joy and love and safety in their lives that they passed on to my father's parents and my father's parents raised my father in a more joyous and kind world and he now has the resources to raise his children with joy and respect and safety and love. ___________I guess this is a few steps too far away from us. At the moment we're still waiting for the trial to take place. We need him to go to jail right now. This too will make us feel save. I know that this too will heal some time from now. When this takes place I don't know though. So when I said that this is a tricky conversation to have I hope you have a little bit of more information as to why I said that. There's a lot more going on here than what is meeting the eye. Blessings, Friend Much love
Quote from: Doro on April 17, 2022, 09:22:12 AMIf I make poor choices there will be repercussions in my next (or parallel) reincarnation.
Quote from: Sena on April 18, 2022, 03:06:27 AMQuote from: Doro on April 17, 2022, 09:22:12 AMIf I make poor choices there will be repercussions in my next (or parallel) reincarnation.Doro, our Inner Self is always there guiding us to make good choices. Learning to listen to one's Inner Self is the key. There is no need to worry about repercussions in another reincarnation. Seth disagreed with the Buddhist view of karma."The basic idea of karma is not punishment. Karma presents the opportunity for development; to make use of opportunities that were not taken advantage of, to fill in gaps of ignorance, to enlarge understanding through experience, to do what should be done."—TES8 Session 388 December 20, 1967
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