A new book on Seth's metaphysics : "Nursery of the Gods"

[wadihicham]

I would like to report a new book (in two volumes) on the metaphysics of Seth:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BPB149B4?ref_=dbs_p_mng_rwt_ser_shvlr&storeType=ebooks
 
From what I have read so far, it is very interesting and I would be delighted to discuss it if the opportunity arises.

[inavalan]

I couldn't find anything about the author or his books beyond what's offered on amazon.

Do you have any quotes you liked, or want to discuss?

[wadihicham]

Ok, here is a starting point :

Discussing the Action concept in relation to Identity, Enegy and Consciousness, he quotes Seth:

It is the individual upon whom all else rests, and it is from the basis of the individual that all entities have their existence, and from which all kinds of evolutions spring 

Then he adds:

And just as the wave function collapses into an individual particle when a consciousness observes it, action collapses into a particular identity when it becomes conscious of itself. Consciousness enters into the picture at precisely the same point in both cases, playing the critical role of initiating the transformation of both action and the wave function into discrete units.

Any comment on that ?

[inavalan]

Ok, here is a starting point :

Discussing the Action concept in relation to Identity, Enegy and Consciousness, he quotes Seth:

It is the individual upon whom all else rests, and it is from the basis of the individual that all entities have their existence, and from which all kinds of evolutions spring 

Then he adds:

And just as the wave function collapses into an individual particle when a consciousness observes it, action collapses into a particular identity when it becomes conscious of itself. Consciousness enters into the picture at precisely the same point in both cases, playing the critical role of initiating the transformation of both action and the wave function into discrete units.

Any comment on that ?

Thanks for those quotes. It seems that the author understands reality quite differently than I do.

Browsing the amazon samples, I noticed that the author quotes from Roberts' books indicating the publishing year and the pages, but not the name of the book; that seems unusual to me.

I am with Nikola Tesla on science:

• "The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence."

[Bora137]

the wave function collapses into an individual particle when a consciousness observes it



wadihicham (apols my quoting rubbish)

From what I understand from those that understand it this is what quantum theory says. Moreover not just a particle but a chair or a mug or whatever. I think it's starting to eat into the already collapsing theory of everything - currently held together with dark matter sticking plasters

[wadihicham]

I am very enthusiastic about these two volumes, I plan to read them and would be happy to discuss about. Seth's thinking constitutes a metaphysical system that deserves serious work to be even slightly understood, and I hope this book is a way to get started.

Here are the chapters of the two books, introduced each time with a quote from seth :

• The Problem with Paradigms
  

  New ideas are not accepted easily. When they take fire however, they literally sweep through the universe.
  
  Cobban, James . Nursery of the Gods: The Consciousness Paradigm, or the Science of Seth (p. 1). Édition du Kindle. 

• What Exactly is Materialism?
  
• The Evidence From Quantum Physics
  

  The physicists have their hands on the doorknob.
  

• Evidence From Psi (ESP) Research
  
  

  The study of so-called extrasensory perception is now considered an isolated, bizarre domain, unrelated to other fields of knowledge... The pieces to the puzzle are at mankind's fingertips, but he has put together an awkward, ill-fitting miniature model universe of a puzzle with which he is afraid to part.
  

  
  
• Evidence From Near Death Experiences
  
  

  It will be shown that personalities continue to exist after physical death, and then it will not seem so strange that those such as myself can communicate.
  

• Towards a Consciousness-Based Paradigm - An Introduction to Seth's Metaphysic
  
  
• Complexity Science, Autopoiesis, and Bringing Forth a World
  
  
• The Senses are Lovely Liars
  

  Your most pragmatic scientist is even now forced to admit that solid objects are not solid; and the interesting sidelight of this fact must be that your faithful, tried and true, so-called dependable outer senses are in reality lovely liars, since the eyes see a chair as solid while the chair is not solid at all. The outside senses are therefore fabricators of the most delightful sort.
  

• 
  Earth as a Training System
  

  Humanity dreams the same dream at once, and you have your mass world. The whole construction however is like an educational play in which you are the producers as well as the actors... The whole self is the observer, and also a participator in many roles.
  

• The Training System and Deep Time
  

  You are learning to be co-creators. You are learning to be gods as you now understand the term.
  

• 
  The Ego Experiment
  
• 
  Hiding in Plain Sight: The Ego Through History's Pages
  
  
• 
  Towards a New Mythos
  
  

[Bora137]

It's mountain of evidence but still the positivist materialist paradigm persists. The trouble with paradigms is you don't know you're in one because everything you see appears to confirm it.

[wadihicham]

Bora137, that's right, but the evidence is of an experimental/experiential nature. What is needed is a theory, an understanding about the nature of reality. Seth books help a lot, but work is still needed in order to understand correctly.

[Bora137]

What I don't understand is there are tens of thousands of nde reports, are all these people supposed to be lying? And how disrespectful it is to not believe someone else's experience.

[strangerthings]

• What Exactly is Materialism?
  

I do not seem to find if this has been answered so I will ask.

What do you mean by this question?

Materialism?
Or Materialization?

If the latter then what does ²CM=E do?

I am certainly not a wizard but it is curious to me. I do not have access to this book you refer to. However the word in question seems odd with quantum material. It is an "ism".

Welcome to the forum 

[wadihicham]

Hi Strangerthings,

In his second chapter, "What Exactly is Materialism?" the author try to clarify and debunk what he calls the "western creed", which he summarizes as follows:

I BELIEVE — in the material universe — as the only and ultimate reality — a universe controlled by fixed physical laws — and blind chance. I AFFIRM — that the universe has no creator — no objective purpose — and no objective meaning or destiny. I MAINTAIN — that all ideas about God or gods — enlightened beings — prophets and saviors — or other nonphysical beings or forces are superstitions and delusions —. Life and consciousness are totally identical to physical processes — and arose from chance interactions of blind physical forces —. Like the rest of life — my life — and my consciousness — have no objective purpose — meaning — or destiny. I BELIEVE — that all judgments, values, and moralities — whether my own or others' — are subjective — arising solely from biological determinants — personal history — and chance —. Free will is an illusion —. Therefore, the most rational values I can personally live by — must be based on the knowledge that for me — what pleases me is good — what pains me is bad —. I AFFIRM — that churches have no real use other than social support — that there are no objective sins to commit or be forgiven for. I MAINTAIN — that the death of the body — is the death of the mind —. There is no afterlife — and all hope of such is nonsense.
 

Of course as you said part of the debunking comes from QM and parapsychology

[Deb]

Interesting books... or maybe curious is a better word. Two reviews from Canada, possibly friends or family members of the author. I also could find no information from him, even from Barnes and Noble and Goodreads. No ratings on those. I wonder if he wrote it under a pen name? There were a couple of James Cobbans that turned up. Both deceased now.

Nice though that someone else would come along and try to prove that Seth and current physicists are right.

The "western creed" is pretty depressing. I know a lot of religious people that think would totally disagree with it. I'm glad I share Seth's view of reality.

[wadihicham]

Deb,

Here is what the author tells us about himself in his book :

After a career working in Information Technology, James Cobban left gainful employment to set out on his own path. He backpacked around the world, built a cabin in the woods (following Thoreau's advice), became an artist, painting oils of the places he'd visited, moved to a lovely mountain town in Mexico, adopted a dozen rescue dogs and cats (plus one opossum), and read widely, always seeking to understand reality. He now lives in Nova Scotia, with his wife Rebecca, and their furry crew of Mexican misfits.
 

[Deb]

Here is what the author tells us about himself in his book :

Thank you! So it seems he's just a regular guy that found Seth. I was curious enough to buy the Kindle version, both volumes for $2.99. I imagine he'll talk about how he came across the Seth materials in the books. Hopefully I'll have time to read this weekend!

[wadihicham]

Deb,

I hope you will enjoy it and that it will be an opportunity for exchanges on the forum.

[strangerthings]

I can deal with having a cabin in the woods lol

Seth, cabin, me and my whatever

Yups