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Started by Sena, May 12, 2016, 07:27:37 AM
Quote from: voidypaulIn fact most people will not be able to contain the experience of the Christ + will only go as far into the exp' as their limiting beliefs + courage will allow them , as Seth said , full awareness of the entity for ego cons' would be like a straw in a hurricane , but this is what Christ will have to offer , the possibility of full awareness of the entity . Mindboggling psychic stuff , streatch ur imagination to its upmost extreme + then some . The wildest trip in cons' ever for those lucky enuf to have the opportunity .
Quote from: voidypauli believe that somewhere Seth has also said that the psychic reality of the crucifixion was a gift from the dream-world to ours + also that its impact was as if a new planet had appeared in our system .
Quote from: sethspeaksIt is necessary to substantiate the quote.
Quote from: sethspeaksHi voidypaul,I found this /in session 46/:"In art, you manage sometimes to put into a framework of space something which usually has no existence in space. The crucifixion has no existence in space. It has no existence basically in time, in that it did not occur to any particular person, per se, at any particular time per se. Nevertheless it is a reality on your plane, and it exists within it.And within the framework of the crucifixion there are inexhaustible truths still to be explored. Mark's paintings of the crucifixion, like other such paintings, created a concept form, within which an unexpressable concept is transformed into expressible terms and placed within a spatial framework."I think Seth talks to Mark / Bill / a for Robert because both were painters and understand what the image scene and how it affects generations. Seth probably advised them how to get through these scenes to their past lives.I would say something similar here/s.588/:"In several lives I was consciously aware of my "past existences." Once as a monk I found myself copying a manuscript that I myself had written in another life."Quote from: voidypauli believe that somewhere Seth has also said that the psychic reality of the crucifixion was a gift from the dream-world to ours + also that its impact was as if a new planet had appeared in our system .It is necessary to substantiate the quote.
Quote from: strangerthingsinto trouble, maybe did some drugs, saw things and experienced things unpleasant (and pleasant!), possibly grow up to get married and have children, a job and bills, have learned invaluable social lessons, and all that jazz because this is beneficial to the experience so that he/she will be able to relate to the world. Won't this being HAVE to relate to the world even when....metamorphosis begins and grows?
Quote from: DebConsidering the divisiveness of our world religions makes me wonder if he will come to lead in a different way than religion.
Quote from: SenaIt will be interesting if Christ overhauls science.
Quote from: strangerthingsWhy such referencing to a "he" ?
Quote from: DebHe (Christ) will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity;
Quote from: DebHe will undermine religious organizations—not unite them. His message will be that of the individual in relation to All That Is. He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man's mediator with All That Is.
Quote from: strangerthingsI ask because Seth also states and reiterates that he speaks in our terms. Terms that we understand. Seth also states that at 'that' time (referencing a state of mind that did not allow a woman to share divinity), a "he" was more acceptable. Are you saying that is still the case?
Quote from: sethspeaksEspecially you should know that this game played out John, Jesus and Paul together. These three created the symbol "Christ".
Quote from: strangerthingsI find it interesting that when I researched within and online and in books the etymolgies of the word "Bartholomew", I get Bar = son oftholomew = thalamas or thalamai which means chamber, and is an area associated with the pineal gland.
Quote from: strangerthingsTHE TWELVE DISCIPLES - Neville Goddard
Quote from: strangerthingsI only know that because moons ago at one time, I wanted to try this. lol
Quote from: SenaYou might even see Christ if you take it in a sufficient dose.http://www.evolveandascend.com/2017/03/13/the-secret-history-of-hallucinogens-in-christianity/
Quote from: strangerthingsSeth *hints* and you have to read between the lines. Seth is tricky in this way. Very tricky.
Quote from: chasmanplease tell us if you have any more thoughts about this
Quote from: chasmansome kind of fakeness
Quote from: DebFaced with the problem of having to deal with a Saddam Hussein, such a leader, enlightened in the spiritual and scientific Laws of Existence, would have called a session of enlightened people to meet to meditate and to ask for guidance."For me, case closed. Another wolf in sheep's clothing.
Quote from: chasmanthe other book, that had an incalculably large influence on me (aside from all the Seth books), was Richard Bach's Illusions: Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah.
Quote from: SenaInteresting quote. Neville Goddard wrote repeatedly that the best way is to imagine the desired outcome vividly, but NOT to bother with the method by which that outcome is achieved. So we imagine a state of peace and prosperity but should not bother with calling "a session of enlightened people".
Quote from: DebAnother great book. I ended buying that one probably 3 times because people would borrow it and not return it. I'd want to read it again and so would buy another copy. You know Bach met with Jane, with questions about his Seagull book? That book was channeled. More here: https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=407 There was even an article written about him in Time magazine, mentioning Jane, Rob and Seth.And yes grok is a cool word, and probably the word I've been searching for that better explains the sudden Knowing or Understanding that happens often. Mike Dooley uses "spontaneous enlightenment," I like that too.
Quote from: strangerthingsIf the teachings you are looking upon do not lead you back to yourself as Creator then run from them and run fast
Quote from: chasmanI am happy for you to be excited to read it again.
Quote from: DebQuote from: chasmanI am happy for you to be excited to read it again.I started reading it again tonight, but I realized it was probably available as audio on YouTube that I can listen to when I'm doing... whatever. Found it. So I have been listening while making myself dinner, surprised at the technology or at least anticipated technology at the time of writing (1961). Then I started to wonder why it was not made into a movie, and voilà, SyFy already has it in the works! http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/stranger-a-strange-land-tv-series-works-at-syfy-947671 Woo hoo! Since I've given up regular TV, I imagine I will have to find another way to watch. I don't know if you live in the US or elsewhere, so can't comment beyond that.As far as Mike Dooley... his story is very interesting and he is totally on board with Seth, mentions Seth and Jane Roberts in his own books, has his own presentation or angle of "you create your own reality." Just another angle on the Seth materials, but he is enthusiastic and creative and definitely a worthy read from my own perspective. I signed up for his Notes from the Universe http://www.tut.com/Inspiration/nftu, and a lot of those are timely and stellar. Check out: https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=1078.msg9326#msg9326 and https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?topic=1053.msg9180#msg9180.I've read his book Infinite Possibilities and could easily recommend that.
Quote from: DebI signed up for his Notes from the Universe
Quote from: JoelrI've always been a huge Seth fan but have gotten away from him for some time while I've investigated a bit of science and skeptical ideas.As I come back to reading Seth I've got some issues that I just can't shake, especially what he's said about Christ.
Quote from: JoelrFirst, Seth speaks of Christ several times as if he was definitely an actual person. Right now the mythicist theory is looking like the most probable - meaning Christ was not even a real man. (for more on that watch some of PHD Richard Carrier's debates)
Quote from: JoelrWell actually the 12 disciples are found in all of the Christ-like religions and go back even much further. We now know that the 12 originally was the 12 zodiac.It's 12 because of 12 bright stars.
Quote from: transient amnesiaMy feeling was that Seth used those examples as it was how Jane was brought up and 'speaking to her understanding'.
Quote from: SenaHi Joel, welcome to the forum. Yes, I agree that Seth's statements on Christ are problematic. Seth did not claim to be omniscient, so it could be that some of his statements about Christ are simply wrong. It appears that he was not familiar with the New Testament scholarship of the past 100 years.I find some of the statements made by Nietzsche in "The Antichrist" quite interesting. Nietzsche had a lot of respect for Jesus, but not for the "Christ" invented by St. Paul. I don't think Nietzsche thought of himself as the Antichrist. That was probably his name for the R.C and Lutheran Churches. Some quotes from Nietzsche:"Every one is the child of God--Jesus claims nothing for himself alone--as the child of God each man is theequal of every other man.""Jesus himself had done away with the very concept of "guilt," he denied that there was any gulf fixed betweenGod and man; he lived this unity between God and man, and that was precisely his "glad tidings".https://archive.org/stream/theantichrist19322gut/19322.txtNietzsche wrote The Antichrist in 1888, so he obviously had only a limited amount of objective New Testament scholarship to rely on.
Quote from: DebHi Joelr, welcome to the forum. Thanks for your post, lots to respond to in there! For now, let me just offer this and I'll address more later. I had a problem with Seth using the name Christ because the figure we call Christ is actually named Jesus (in English), his title was "the Christ" -- meaning the anointed one. So Jesus Christ. But in modern days we refer to the person as either Christ OR Jesus interchangeably and it seems Seth sometimes does the same. Seth has often said he must speak to us in our terms and language, so maybe that's why.But what Seth says about the Christ became clearer for me due to the quote I'll add below. He is referring to Christ as 'your Christ figure' or 'the Christ personality'-- Seth has often said he speaks to us in words and terminology that we will understand. He is saying that what we think of as Christ a person is really a symbol combined of three individuals (personalities) that did exist, Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul. So in this Seth is saying the Christ was not a real, living person, but instead a symbol. I'm not clear whether he's saying below that the disciples were actually living. He said they were fully endowed with individuality--do I assume that also means taking physical form? Or are they a part of the Christ entity, as the three are? The return of the Christ personality would mean a human possessing all of the characteristics of the three (and 12?), and then some. Pretty intense.
Quote from: Deb• "The three Christ personalities were born upon your planet, and indeed became flesh among you. None of these was crucified. The twelve disciples were materializations from the energies of these three personalities — their combined energies. They were then fully endowed with individuality, however, but their main task was to clearly manifest within themselves certain abilities inherent within all men."• "Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality — the inner self — and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."• "(9:46.) Your Christ figure represents, symbolically, your idea of God and his relationships. There were three separate individuals whose history blended, and they became known collectively as Christ — hence many discrepancies in your records. These were all males because at that time of your development, you would not have accepted a female counterpart."—SS Chapter 14: Session 560, November 23, 1970And this too:"(10:37.) In a manner of speaking, again, there was no one Christ, historically speaking, but the personage of Christ, or the entity, was the reality from which the entire dramatic story emerged."—TPS4 Deleted Session January 23, 1978
Quote from: DebI have a non-Seth book buried somewhere that says the gospels were created to be used as teaching references in church, broken down into sections so they could be taught over the span of a calendar year. I'm not explaining that clearly, but basically they were not mystical and more practical in nature. I'm going to track down the book so I can share what it said, it made sense to me. The first may have been Mark, the rest would have been hand copied, the information tailored by the church that used them, and attributed to the other disciples after the fact. This is pretty interesting. I have to admit that there have been times when I've questioned whether Jane's religious background has affected some of the messages she streamed from Seth.
Quote from: DebThere were Speakers that go back long before the time of Jesus, et al. Not directly related to the Christ story, but Seth does talk about how information gets distorted over the ages (not to mention how Speakers had to communicate with the people over the ages in terms they could understand). Hah, I just had a vision of a caveman Seth streaming through a cavewoman Jane, caveman Rob finger painting his notes on a wall. Maybe I'll try to sketch that later. "What I will tell you has been told before throughout the centuries, and given again when it was forgotten. I hope to clarify many points that have been distorted throughout the years." SS, Session 511"The concept itself existed long before Christianity's initiation, and was told in various forms throughout the centuries and in all civilizations." NoPR, Session 646
Quote from: transient amnesiaHi Joel Good'morn'n everyone.I'd like to add a picture here as to how I understood what Seth was saying about the christ 'energy' so to speak. It's explained in Oversoul 7.... I have not read the Bible. TLTR... My feeling was that Seth used those examples as it was how Jane was brought up and 'speaking to her understanding'.
Quote from: Joelrbut my issue isn't omniscience but that he does seem to know very specific details. Which are also wrong. It would be one thing if Seth simply said the whole Christ saga was fuzzy to him but he is often so specific it's like he has a window to see exactly what was going on. Which really suggests he would be more on track with historical data y'know?
Quote from: JoelrFirst, Seth speaks of Christ several times as if he was definitely an actual person. Right now the mythicist theory is looking like the most probable - meaning Christ was not even a real man.
Quote from: JoelrWhat troubles me here is complete lack of knowledge of the fact that the entire sin redeemer demi-god mythology came directly from cultural diffusion and not from Jewish prophecies. That died/resurrected in 3 days, redeem sins, defeat death, virgin born, sky-father demigod mythology started with Zoroastrianism and then moved to multiple cultures each with their own version - Romulus, Osirus, Zalmoxus, and eventually a Jewish version emerged which was Christianity. Judaism had no afterlife or warring factions (heaven vs hell) until it was adopted from these other mythologies.
Quote from: JoelrI do feel if Seth were legit he would fix our biggest problem in Physics and unify gravity and quantum mechanics.
Quote from: LenKopAnyway, i think Jane's personal demons regarding her Christian upbringing did influence the work, as it influenced her life and death.
Quote from: transient amnesiacould it be possible that Seth as "Pope" didn't have the Understanding in his 3D psychical mind, before his was murdered? and what memory would he be pulling that information from? His own social memory complex? just asking.
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