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Yes, you can, according to Seth. The short answer is given in The Nature of Personal Reality:

"To change your body you change your beliefs, even in the face of physical data or evidence that conflicts .... Except for some conditions, which will be mentioned later, you can become healthy if you are ill, slim if you are overweight... or alter your physical image in profound fashion through the use of your ideas and beliefs." (5:86)

From <http://www.execonn.com/matt/Docs/SETH99.htm>

(An exception would be, for instance, if one has had a leg amputated it would not be possible to re-grow a leg. The consensus agreed by the human race at this time will not allow that)

The long answer is given in The Unknown Reality, Volume 1:

"The body that you have is a probable body. It is the result of one line of "development" that could be taken by your particular earth personality in flesh. All of the other possible lines of development also occur, however. They occur at once, but each one simultaneously affects every other. There is actually far greater interaction here than you realize, because you are not used to looking for it. The harder you work to maintain the official accepted idea of the self in conventional terms, the more of course you block out any kind of unpredictability."

Google books:
http://tinyurl.com/probable-body
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growing up CS as I have written before allowed me to accept that the body is a work in progress influenced by Mind. 
Any "illness" I've had has been a result of my Illusion Thinking which was relieved once I understood.

So I use that to experiment with the boundaries of my body's health.

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growing up CS as I have written before allowed me to accept that the body is a work in progress influenced by Mind. 
Any "illness" I've had has been a result of my Illusion Thinking which was relieved once I understood.

So I use that to experiment with the boundaries of my body's health.

Hi BethAnne. Could you explain 'Illusion Thinking'? Thanks.

I said in an much earlier post that I have hair 'challenges'. Well, it's a bit more serious than that: my hair is (slowly) falling out and it's my biggest physical issue. Painless but very distressing.  :(

I have tried to identify the beliefs behind it and it's a tangled mess: belief in genetics (my mother has the same condition); issues with femininity (hair being a woman's 'crowing glory') ; non-appreciation of my hair in the past (it was always fine and unmanageable) ; ageing (this has been noticeable in the last few years) ; punishment (why do I not appreciate myself more?) ; shame (feeling like a freak, when other women have lovely hair) ; anger at my culture (if I were a man, I could just shave it and no-one would care). And so on and so on.

Currently I am having some energy therapy to deal with the negative feelings, which is helping, but it's the ultimate REASONS behind this loss that bothers me and not (so far) being able to heal it. All the conventional methods I have tried (drugs, hair drops, laser comb, keratin fibres) have given me horrible side-effects. I spoke to a spiritual friend who is widely-read in Seth/Elias etc and he advised me that the side-effects are the body consciousness's reaction to the treatments. It just doesn't like them! OK, but the alternative isn't appealing either - a tight hair-piece or (eventually) a wig. I am struggling with accepting having to wear uncomfortable stuff. What alternative treatments might I try?

My other physical conditions I can understand, they are more painful but I know why they occur. I even find them helpful, they point towards issues that need addressing. But this one is overwhelming in complexity and I can't find a solution at the moment. How can I draw to me a different probability where I do not have issues with my hair?


Edit: Sorry in sounding so desperate. And suggestions/advice/observations would be very welcome!

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Wren, maybe you are already aware that hair loss could be caused by deficiency in vitamins, minerals etc? Especially the whole range of vitamin B, vitamin D and E, magnesium, sink etc. Eat liver ceviche! And get magnesium spray. And grass fed butter. To mention but a few things.
If you are stressed, this adds to the depletion of nutrients in your body. As does vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs (I hope this is not too political to write in here, I don´t mean to provoke anyone).
This could be a place to start reading, about this or other holistic things: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/6-little-known-signs-of-adrenal-fatigue/

So maybe that could help you, together with the Seth info from BethAnn?

I think your question is interesting for everyone, because being locked in the REASONS behind something, like you describe so well, is very typical for many of us, isn´t it.

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Hi BeeBee. I've had blood tests and nothing was obvious, apart from a slight vitamin D deficiency, so I am taking that daily. I am also taking a pre/probiotic and zinc each day. Thyroid tests have found nothing. I eat meat, fish and veggie things, plus eggs and dairy. I have also tried protein supplements, which did encourage the existing hair to grow quicker, but didn't encourage any new growth. I have also had my hormone levels checked and there was nothing out of the ordinary either.

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Sorry in sounding so desperate. And suggestions/advice/observations would be very welcome!
Wren, no need to apologize, but I feel that you are focusing too much on your hair. Your hair is produced by conscious, living cells. If you focus on them too much you may confuse them.

Please tell us about the good things in your life, even very simple things. That may help you to change focus.

P.S. I'll be without internet access for several days from tomorrow.
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Wren, maybe you are already aware that hair loss could be caused by deficiency in vitamins, minerals etc? Especially the whole range of vitamin B, vitamin D and E, magnesium, sink etc. Eat liver ceviche! And get magnesium spray. And grass fed butter. To mention but a few things.
If you are stressed, this adds to the depletion of nutrients in your body. As does vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs (I hope this is not too political to write in here, I don´t mean to provoke anyone).
This could be a place to start reading, about this or other holistic things: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/6-little-known-signs-of-adrenal-fatigue/

So maybe that could help you, together with the Seth info from BethAnn?

I think your question is interesting for everyone, because being locked in the REASONS behind something, like you describe so well, is very typical for many of us, isn´t it.



The living body is like a chemical factory, where all things have balance and all types of foods, chemicals etc can be too much, or too little.
So talking about vaccines, medications (which are all chemicals) is more than relevant, and due to over-prescriptions and the FEAR associated with having or not having them can cause issues on the psychological level and physical level.

Fresh air (oxygen), sunlight, exercise, sound nutrition and an overwhelming belief in good health no matter the external appearances can do  some good, and certainly no harm.

I'm thinking to write an article perhaps on the "How To" of how to not only develop a new belief, but make it something so strongly believed in that we don't doubt it. It's an area I have experimented with a great deal, and studied the many various methods of different teachers and writers - but often considered frivolous when attempting to communicate to others, as it often seems futile. But perhaps in writing, in a series of articles, it perhaps may be of some use?
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Sorry in sounding so desperate. And suggestions/advice/observations would be very welcome!
Wren, no need to apologize, but I feel that you are focusing too much on your hair. Your hair is produced by conscious, living cells. If you focus on them too much you may confuse them.

Please tell us about the good things in your life, even very simple things. That may help you to change focus.

P.S. I'll be without internet access for several days from tomorrow.


Thanks Sena. It *has* become a preoccupation, as it's not something I can easily disguise at the moment. Which is possibly one of the messages the body is trying to give me. I think Seth does talk about whether a disease/condition is inside/outside the body as being relevant. If it is outside then the Ego is more 'willing' to face it (I may be able to find the relevant session later).

I'd also like to find a constructive way of addressing the living cells in my scalp and follicles. And I need to keep reminding myself that this is a construct IN THE PRESENT MOMENT. Which is where the POWER is.   :)

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I'd also like to find a constructive way of addressing the living cells in my scalp and follicles.
I am not aware that Seth gave us a way of directly addressing the cells in our body. I see the cells as somewhat intelligent, but perhaps of limited intelligence. If you can find a way to be relaxed and happy, then you may change into a probable self with possibly better hair growth.

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I've been experimenting with these videos.

So this is my Flash Interpretation.  Now, seeing you up close would give us more accuracy.  And I don't want to lead you down a blind alley.  So ask yourself questions as you are going to bed.  Maybe imagine you are at a Specialist's office and look him in the eyes and say "What's Up Doc??" 
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What hit me first and you will have to ask yourself.
I get the issue is NOT anti-hair/female but a strong alignment with a previous male incarnation.  The Issue is Power and men have it (for the most part).  So does being a girl make you feel insecure?  It does me.  I had no leverage until I became Wise.

I do think we bring with us from one life time to the next unresolved issues or identifications.   Being a Homosapien does not feel like my true self.  In dreams I've seen my "real self"  in a shadow profile and it looks like  this and I have some quirky physical bits that fit this.  I've also seen my skin color behind a fog in a dream and it is green. So maybe I'm really a frog?   ;D
https://dvdcriticscorner.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/gelfling.jpg

Ask yourself if you were strongly attached to being a nun in a past life. 
I'm helping someone work through a Past as she's had to shave her head because her skull looks like burns.  Burned at the stake?  I think a lot of women/people deal with that past life issue and women's power is back in our faces.  Ala Hillary Clinton.

Illusionary Thinking IMO, is holding onto belief that fit your comfort zone because it's safe, has not been challenged or one is resistant to change because the ego is threatened or their place in the world is threatened.
For myself, because I had no leverage in the past I had to accept an illusion just to deal with shit.   And that illusion didn't let go until I found myself in a "safe place".

Trump/GOP are immersed in Illusionary Thinking.   ;D
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Quote from: Wren
I have tried to identify the beliefs behind it and it's a tangled mess: belief in genetics (my mother has the same condition);

Please consider what Bruce Lipton teaches: We control our genes, our genes do not control us. The shortest book he wrote about this is, I think, The Wisdom of our Cells. Here's a cellular biologist that made some amazing advances in working with stem cells as long ago as the 1960s: it is our perception of circumstances affect our genes (epigenetics). As humans, our perceptions are 100% our beliefs. The filters through which we perceive. What he says makes perfect sense to me, and is in complete alignment with the teachings of Seth.

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What hit me first and you will have to ask yourself.
I get the issue is NOT anti-hair/female but a strong alignment with a previous male incarnation. 

Beth, I can't even tell you how much your input on this forum is appreciated. YOU think/intuit outside the box. That's something I would never have considered.

Quote from: Sena
"To change your body you change your beliefs, even in the face of physical data or evidence that conflicts ....

My first thought was "you get what you concentrate upon" ala Seth and Abraham Hicks. My second thought was Joe Dispenza. The same wisdom, but approached from the opposite side. His guided meditations and teachings focus on intentionally focusing on what you want to achieve. Get into the 'zone' -- meditating yourself into a place of no-one, no-time, no-thing, into the dimension of potential and consciousness and then imaging/imagining/feeling what you desire. Want to grow thicker, healthier hair? (Good for me, having had limp, baby-fine hair all of my life)-- Once in that realm of potentials, FEEL what it would be like to have the hair you desire. Feel it. FEEL it. Feel appreciation and gratitude for it. Gratitude and appreciation means it is already done. That is how to create.

So Wren, a great experiment would be to stop acknowledging your loss of hair (no mirrors for a while? controlling your mind to "stop" witnessing what is happening?) and instead spend a few minutes every day feeling what it is like to have thick, full hair (How would that feel?) and the gratitude for the same.

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The Issue is Power and men have it (for the most part).  So does being a girl make you feel insecure?  It does me.  I had no leverage until I became Wise.

That is key. And powerful. I never really considered that until the past year or two or three. I am DONE with being the "good woman behind the successful man" -- I think. At least, that's where I am right now. Tired of being one of the Pips.

I look forward to the possibility of us meeting this fall. In Santa Fe. I know you're on a budget. You're welcome to share accomodations with me. Even if we chafe each other at first glance, I think we can share a room for a night and not end up in fisticuffs.

Quote from: BeeBee
This could be a place to start reading, about this or other holistic things: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/6-little-known-signs-of-adrenal-fatigue/

Omg BeeBee, you posted a link to Sarah Pope? You had me at your talk about liver and magnesium -- I'm a big follower of Weston Price and met Sarah a year or so ago when I won a trip to Virginia for a fundraiser for a legal group that protects farmers' rights to farm in the USA. Like minds...

Wren: I was losing some of my hair a few years ago and found I had thyroid problems. My doctor, first time around, had not done a COMPLETE thyroid workup and so my situation was not completely understood. PM me if you want more details.

Being a Seth fan, I have to interject that what we believe is everything.
But easier said than done.


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I'm thinking to write an article perhaps on the "How To" of how to not only develop a new belief, but make it something so strongly believed in that we don't doubt it.

YES! Do it! And then post a link...

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I'm also hoping for a Fall Meet Up,  :)  I certainly don't think we would cranky. 
Check this Motel. 
http://www.elreyinnsantafe.com/

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Have you tried acupuncture Wren? Just for some relief as you explore you're beliefs. Or Chinese herbal tea?

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I'm thinking to write an article perhaps on the "How To" of how to not only develop a new belief, but make it something so strongly believed in that we don't doubt it.

YES! Do it! And then post a link...

I guess I would make it multi-part, seeing as there so many "methods" my fav ones, ones other recommend, and ones I have no experience of, but could comment on.
I would like to keep things as simple as possible, as it's like a topic that can just spiral out of control into meaninglessness.

The thing is to have enough contrasting ideas for people to find what works for them, which we don't know until we try things out etc.

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I'm also hoping for a Fall Meet Up,    I certainly don't think we would cranky. 
Check this Motel. 
http://www.elreyinnsantafe.com/


Yeah, you're right, no crankies. :)
The Inn looks fantastic, let's do it!

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The El Ray gets a lot of compliments and is a 5 min bus ride to downtown which saves SO MUCH hassle and frustration.  :-)
For $1 you ride all over Santa Fe all day.  Very convenient.  I'm up for a trip.  I have a job that starts in a couple weeks so I'll be rolling in Phat Cash!   ;D



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Thanks for all the replies, I am digesting everyone's ideas.  :)

I've tried acupuncture twice and although I quite enjoyed it (needles & all!) it seemed to have no effect on me. I think I'm being drawn to other energetic therapies, it just a question of finding the right person. I have also started concentrating on my own healing twice a day.

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Remember.  Don't concentrate on what you don't have.  Visualize yourself as Repunzal!  Or what ever!   ;D

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I have also started concentrating on my own healing twice a day.
I am sure that will bring results.

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You know what you need Wren?  A very soft plush animal.  Even a square of fake fur from the fabric store.  Something you can stroke and builds that association.  Use it as a comfort rather than stress out.

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I'm thinking to write an article perhaps on the "How To" of how to not only develop a new belief, but make it something so strongly believed in that we don't doubt it. It's an area I have experimented with a great deal, and studied the many various methods of different teachers and writers - but often considered frivolous when attempting to communicate to others, as it often seems futile. But perhaps in writing, in a series of articles, it perhaps may be of some use?

I agree with Deb.  I definitely think you should write about it.  The more information, the more perspectives, the better, when it comes to developing new beliefs.

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You know what you need Wren?  A very soft plush animal.  Even a square of fake fur from the fabric store.  Something you can stroke and builds that association.  Use it as a comfort rather than stress out.



The fake fur is a really good idea.  8)

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I'm thinking to write an article perhaps on the "How To" of how to not only develop a new belief, but make it something so strongly believed in that we don't doubt it. It's an area I have experimented with a great deal, and studied the many various methods of different teachers and writers - but often considered frivolous when attempting to communicate to others, as it often seems futile. But perhaps in writing, in a series of articles, it perhaps may be of some use?

I agree with Deb.  I definitely think you should write about it.  The more information, the more perspectives, the better, when it comes to developing new beliefs.



Would definitely read this.



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'Fake it till you make it!'

Not sure who's responsible for this quote, but it's really what creating your own reality is about. Seth mentions the difficulty in creating the new, especially when the old is staring you in the face.

Some might not like the word 'fake" but really everything in our lives is 'fake' (just a dream in our minds) untill we give it enough energy and it manifests to become 'real' (a physical materialisation).

How much do we truly believe we create our reality? Would we need a doctor? A psychic? A teacher of any kind? Probably not.

Be careful on your road to 'heal' yourself. Words are powerful. What do you believe about 'heal'? For me, lately, i like this word less and less. My beliefs surrounding 'healing' take my attention to how sick I am. Not very 'healthy'...lol

Also, much is said in the self help journals about dealing with the past in order to move forward. I'm not sure how much of this is productive or just keeping a vicious circle alive. Forgive yourself, take responsibility for your current beliefs, and let it go.

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'Fake it till you make it!'

Not sure who's responsible for this quote, but it's really what creating your own reality is about. Seth mentions the difficulty in creating the new, especially when the old is staring you in the face.

Some might not like the word 'fake" but really everything in our lives is 'fake' (just a dream in our minds) untill we give it enough energy and it manifests to become 'real' (a physical materialisation).

How much do we truly believe we create our reality? Would we need a doctor? A psychic? A teacher of any kind? Probably not.

Be careful on your road to 'heal' yourself. Words are powerful. What do you believe about 'heal'? For me, lately, i like this word less and less. My beliefs surrounding 'healing' take my attention to how sick I am. Not very 'healthy'...lol

Also, much is said in the self help journals about dealing with the past in order to move forward. I'm not sure how much of this is productive or just keeping a vicious circle alive. Forgive yourself, take responsibility for your current beliefs, and let it go.

LK




I would use the word "fiction" rather than fake, but both apply.
we are the writers/authors of our own lives and me make up whatever story suits us at the time. The fun part is that it is constantly changing.

The biology of faking is acting, that is we create the state in our bodies by acting as if what we want has already occurred. This creates the physical state, the intention comes first, and the body follows.

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Creating desired change. The way I see it is if we had perfect control, we could create instant change. I'm not there yet. So we use words as tools to help us. Then along comes semantics and our beliefs about the words we use. Hmm. Faking = acting as if. Seems to me that this is a way of reinforcing or building a new desired belief that can bring about the desired change. But then do we just displace the old belief or do we have to kill it/erradicate it/incinerate it/destroy it or what? My take is the old belief has to be gone...not set aside, but gone...like delete forever.

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But then do we just displace the old belief or do we have to kill it/erradicate it/incinerate it/destroy it or what?
I don't think we need to "kill" the old belief, because that would imply that there is an old belief in a different category from the new one. I see the old belief and the new one being on a continuum, and we move along the continuum in the desired direction.

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Ah, semantics aside, I get it that removal of some limiting beliefs and regaining the energy we invested in them may take repeated effort before we can plant and nourish new beliefs that fit our desires in our current life situation. There is an excellent visualization exercise in Beyond the Winning Streak by Lynda Madden Dahl dealing with removal of limiting beliefs (pp 97-99 in my hard copy book) – The Plain of Purpose. I found that exercise very easy to get into and do. I still like it!!

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Be careful on your road to 'heal' yourself. Words are powerful. What do you believe about 'heal'? For me, lately, i like this word less and less. My beliefs surrounding 'healing' take my attention to how sick I am. Not very 'healthy'...lol

I've been wondering about the use of the word "heal" as well.  I think it's developing a negative connotation because of all the medicines, surgeries, and other aggressive treatments that are being used to "cure" illnesses and "heal" wounds.  Even though there are still natural methods being used by some to encourage healing, they are overshadowed by conventional medicine.  If one is trying to use the Seth information to work on beliefs that affect one's health, then perhaps a better way to think of it would be to have the goal of restoring or returning to one's previous state of good health, which is our natural condition.


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I just read a post by Lynda Madden Dahl about changing the past from the present. I hope it might be helpful.
https://www.facebook.com/lynda.mail/posts/10210235477024905

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Jesus called a little child to stand among them. “Truly I tell you, He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.…Matt 18:3

I'm not a Bible scholar but I feel it's chocked full of Metaphysical Gems.
This is how I take this quote.  That you have to "play" with reality to change it.    A child immerses themselves in their fantasy and becomes what they play.  This is how to approach reality as an adult.

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you have to "play" with reality to change it.    A child immerses themselves in their fantasy and becomes what they play.  This is how to approach reality as an adult.

Thank you, BethAnne. That was just what I needed. You're right.

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Regarding killing off old beliefs before new ones can really take hold...I can't see it working that way. Sena's continuum idea feels better.

Thoughts are electromagnetic reality...or, thoughts are energy. Energy transforms, doesn't die, even according to the material sciences. So to destroy a belief by solely attacking it somehow, doesn't make sense.

Furthermore, you get what you focus on. Like attracts like, etc. So it becomes counterproductive to focus on destroying anything. Not only is the awareness held onto a belief no longer wanted, but negative connotations surrounding some kind of internal destruction can't be too healthy either. And, down that track, when nothing has changed, it would become easier to despair and feel helpless after all the destructive efforts haven't paid off.

I suppose a really cool Seth quote would fit in perfectly right here...but I'm taking a break, so I have nothing on hand.

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Okay, Len, if Sena's idea of a continum makes sense to you, that's fine with me. Hmm, I don't recall saying anything about destroying energy. I'm not aware that that can be done anyway. You believe what you want, think what you want and so does everyone else, wouldn't you agree?

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I agree Jim.

It was your post that piqued my interest. When you questioned removing old beliefs.

'But then do we just displace the old belief or do we have to kill it/erradicate it/incinerate it/destroy it or what?' From a few posts ago (sorry can't quite work out partial quotes yet).

And, although you didn't mention destroying energy directly, aren't our beliefs just energy built up over years of experience, that are now expressed as mental, emotional and physical habits?

No disrespect intended. I thought the question  was excellent.

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aren't our beliefs just energy built up over years of experience, that are now expressed as mental, emotional and physical habits?

I think you're right. I think the energy in them can come from multiple sources - parents, peers, culture, ourselves, et al. Me, I like to imagine them as energetic structures, but you know where I go with that and I've got quite for this night anyway. No disrespect taken, Len!

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I'm really enjoying this conversation, great information and exploration.

Jim, I followed your link to Lynda's FB post and liked it so much I'm going to pull the whole danged quote in here (she's okay with that). But for now, just this (great, playful exercise in the full quote at the bottom):

Quote from: Lynda
We can use imagination to alter past events. Since there are no consecutive moments, how we view our past right now creates it in that mold. Seth says for us to remember a particular event that greatly disturbed us, then to imagine it not simply wiped out, but replaced by another event of more beneficial nature. This must be done with great vividness and emotional validity, and many times.

It is not a self-deception, Seth assures us. The new event that we choose will automatically be a probable event which did in fact happen, though it is not the event we selected to perceive in our given probable past. He says, "Telepathically, if the process is done correctly, your idea will also affect any people who were connected with the original event, though they can choose to reject as well as accept your version."

Dr Joe talks about a woman who had a rare disease where her bones, especially in her legs, continually broke without any doing on her own part. With Joe's coaching and about a year of practice and meditation (not focusing on her illness, imagining and steeping in the feeling of only being healthy) she had a miraculous recovery from the incurable disease. When asked later what it was like to be so sick, she said she honestly couldn't remember being sick.

Joe also explains this on the physical level with the power of the mind/brain: Nerves that fire together wire together, so as we continually think the same thought over and over, we're creating a path of neurotransmissions in our brain, actually hard-wiring that thought into brain tissue (do you suppose a hard-wired thought is now a belief?). If we stop walking that thought-path, the neurons stop firing and eventually the unused neurons are "pruned" away and the vacated real estate gets reallocated to new thoughts. He explains a lot more about how our minds create our bodies (and reality in general), but I don't want to get carried away here...

Jeez, I just had a thought that if modern medicine gets ahold of this concept, they'll come out with some new pills or better yet, brain surgery, to remove the "bad thought" neurons for us, since MM apparently believes that we are incapable of managing our own bodies without their help.

The subject of this topic is "Can you change your body?" My short answer is YES!

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Deb, this is really kind of strange. I don't even remember posting that link. I followed it and read it and I do remember reading it before and that I liked it - particularly the joy and laughter part of it.

I did read Dr Joe's book, You are the Placebo. He's proof positive himself in the power of belief. Loved the stories of what happened to the different people he talked about. Excellent read.

I do understand about pain. A little over 15 years ago I got shocked back. Apparently rocks had plugged up my pancreatic ducts and it went south from there. For about 4 months I was in the hospital drugged out of my mind and really tripping. My beautiful wife and family saw me through that one and she nursed me back. Now I am insulin dependent. Every time I talk to my doc about regrowing or regenerating my pancreas he goes into a laughing fit telling me - never happen yakety yak yak. I still haven't given up on that idea though!! So that's part of my story.

I do care about other people - immensely. I also know that I often don't communicate that very well either, but...that's just me and pretty much the way I talk too. Just saying.
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I don't even remember posting that link.

That's funny! Maybe you were on autopilot or not completely awake. I can't tell you how many times I drive around the block to confirm that I closed the garage door because the action of closing the door is automatic and not such a conscious act for me.

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Every time I talk to my doc about regrowing or regenerating my pancreas he goes into a laughing fit telling me - never happen yakety yak yak. I still haven't given up on that idea though!! So that's part of my story.

Oh man, I've never heard of that before, pancreas failure because of your situation. My son has type 1 diabetes, has had it since he was 6 (he's 21 now) so I know more than I'd like about insulin and the pancreas. Your condition is not autoimmune from how it sounds, where in Type 1 the body kills the beta (insulin producing) cells in the pancreas. In the case of Type 1, it's a matter of getting the immune system to "back off" and let the pancreas regenerate (in my opinion, doctors say that's impossible). I have my theories about what's preventing his cure.

My involvement in trying to find a cure these past 15 years has told me doctors are not so much interested in helping people be cured as much as managing the condition. I hate to sound so bleak, but I think a lot of modern medicine is more about creating a customer/patient for life rather than finding cures. I've also been feeling that the pancreas can and will regenerate beta cells and heal itself. That's what our bodies are supposed to do, self-maintain. You read the Placebo book so you know that too. How long have doctors believed that when some organs are damaged, they are damaged forever? So why can some things in our bodies heal and others not? Now some doctors are catching on to neuroplasticity and the brain's ability to remap and/or repair itself (i.e. "I Am Not Supposed to Be Here" by Kate Dendrinos-Rickel for proof of that, big-time, or "The Brain That Changes Itself" by Norman Doidge). I've personally known two people who have been on transplant lists, one for a heart, another for a liver, and both recovered on their own. Despite it being considered impossible. I agree you can heal, please don't listen to your doctor.

I go back and forth between Seth's "you make your own reality" and traditional nutrition as a cure for physical problems, straddling the fence between my existence in this reality with it's physical laws and Seth's explanation that we get what we concentrate on. I think deep down I accept Seth's explanations completely, but tend to "play" with the rules of our current existence. And then there's the dilemma for me of whether we're creating a less acceptable existence for ourselves because of our current focus and beliefs, or whether they are challenges we set up for ourselves before we came into these bodies. Or maybe the challenge we set up was set up so we could overcome our beliefs. I guess there's no way of knowing the difference, and maybe there are no wrong actions--they all end up being probabilities and a part of the learning process.

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I do care about other people - immensely. I also know that I often don't communicate that very well either,

You do come across as caring... no worries. :)

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Wow, I'm sorry to hear about your son. I know you've researched that top to bottom and beyond. You are no doubt right about the pre-birth plan that we each lay out. That's what I think anyway.

Ha, me and my doc. He's a real character. I'm sure he bases his thoughts about pancreatic regeneration on the studies, literature and his personal experience as an endocrinologist. But, Seth talks about the blueprint each of us has in our cells and I'm thinking that the power of the mind can bring it back into play and regenerate. I'm not much into the biological sciences, so I don't get a lot of what Seth or scientists are talking about when it comes to dna, genes, chromosomes, etc. But, I do get the blueprint idea and I'm keeping it!  :)

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"You do not understand the properties of soul or body, yet the body was given to you so that you could learn from it."
(From "The Unknown Reality, Vol. 2, Session 733)

Contrast this with what Jesus is supposed to have said: "It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." Rubbish.
(Matthew 5-7 New International Version (NIV) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205-7)
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I was talking to my energy therapist a couple of days ago re: genetic inheritance and she (rightly) pointed out the limitations of conventional medicine, doctors who view the body as just a 'bag of genes' (brilliantly put, I thought  8)) and placebos/nocebos.

Talking of 'genetic inheritance' this programme is on UK TV tonight:

http://www.radiotimes.com/tv-programme/e/fbkcsb/horizon--horizon-my-amazing-twin


I now have a big strip of fake fur now, BTW.  ;D



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I now have a big strip of fake fur now, BTW.
 ;D
I hope it is comforting.

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I feel conflicted about supplements coming from a Christian Science background where Twinkies should have no effect on one's health ,
But this stuff is FABULOUS.  The man who developed it was a microbiologist who was working on animal food. 
Whether it was my faith or science I saw amazing difference in my body right away.
It's supposed to be the answer to diabetes.

https://relive.reliv.com/

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doctors who view the body as just a 'bag of genes'
It is said that it will soon be possible to map all the genes in a human body, and insurance companies are keen to get their hands on this data:
http://tinyurl.com/total-genetic-mapping
It will be interesting see insurance companies losing money if they rely too much on this data.

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"You do not understand the properties of soul or body, yet the body was given to you so that you could learn from it."
(From "The Unknown Reality, Vol. 2, Session 733)

That is so true. Learning/experiencing is a continuing process. I got that, but the reference to Mathew 5-7 flew right on past me. I've noticed so many groups using this quote or that quote to try to prove their points. I love different parts of the Bible, but when I read about the history of the canonization of the sacred texts it seems that there was a lot of power playing going on - same with the history of healing in the Christian faith.

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It is said that it will soon be possible to map all the genes in a human body, and insurance companies are keen to get their hands on this data:
http://tinyurl.com/total-genetic-mapping
It will be interesting see insurance companies losing money if they rely too much on this data.

I don't doubt the research and applications of the scientists will be realized. Ha, that would be interesting to see insurance companies lose money.

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Twinkies should have no effect on one's health

BethAnne you're not saying Twinkies are a supplement are you? I think I missed something there. lol

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I'd also like to find a constructive way of addressing the living cells in my scalp and follicles.
I am not aware that Seth gave us a way of directly addressing the cells in our body. I see the cells as somewhat intelligent, but perhaps of limited intelligence. If you can find a way to be relaxed and happy, then you may change into a probable self with possibly better hair growth.

i like to assume my cells are smarter than me, they seem to know what they are doing, LOL :o

The intention of whatever blueprint you wish to imprint (feeling strongly held) affects the cells in our bodies automatically.
Bruce Lipton's work covers this extensively. He's a Cell Biologist.

Think of cells like the Lego bricks of consciousness that can do or be just about anything.

Consciousness is the architect and designer of the body, the cells are the Lego bricks that can be combined, configured, in infinite combinations, become different thing things according to the needs of the body.
An overly simplistic symbol here, but I hope one basic enough anybody can get it immediately.
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That is so true. Learning/experiencing is a continuing process.
Jim, I wish you well. Being insulin-dependent is not an easy thing to cope with.

 

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