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A lot of interesting thoughts, opinions and ideas in this thread.   It is so easy to get caught up in the quagmire of daily news so I have to continually remind myself to view this from '30,000 feet' and remember that that THERE IS NO ONE ELSE OUT THERE.   

All of this talk, opinion, lies, truths, promises, facts are part of a projection, a coming together of mass consciousness around a perceived event.   All of the negative and positive stuff about all of the candidates are nothing more than expressions of our perceived values.   Every promise, fact, platform is based on a personal perception and any one of gazillions of probable perceptions and potential probable outcomes.  The white supremacist, the poor immigrant, the rich banker, the politician, the homeless vet, the bankrupt farmer--these are all expressions of my greater self in physicality and no one is more valid or right than any other. 

So if I place myself in a position to judge, deny, support, resist, be afraid of, be angry about any of it,  I not only give it energy but also I risk being sucked into the maelstrom of thoughts and realities associated with it.   It is kind of like passing a gruesome car accident on the highway.  If I stop and gawk, become afraid of what could happen if it were me there, fear for my mortality, the safety of my children, etc. etc  I can become enveloped in the drama surrounding that particular event.  And to the extent I give it power it can become just another accident or it can take over my consciousness so that I can't think about anything else. 

So with this election and its aftermath I have to remind myself that we've survived better and worse, that the pendulum swings both ways, and that ultimately I can participate in this drama and its effects to whatever extent I wish to.   Certainly it will affect my reality as an American, a non-Christian, and one with non-white grandchildren in some ways.   It will affect business, economy, women's rights, gays, immigrants, climate, ecology and every other aspect of our society and environment.  But the choices I have are the same ones I have when there is a violent storm or a blizzard.   I can participate to whatever extent I want to playing in the lightning, testing myself in the cold or I can wait it out next to my cozy fireplace, meditating and imagining a greater world, and relaxing with a good Seth book...

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From an ELIAS channeling session from 20 november 2016

"This individual is a figurehead. This individual is a catalyst that is generating a spotlight on subjects that individuals en masse don’t want to look at and don’t want to discuss and that are very polarized, and that individuals are divided in the direction of either-or. You agree or you disagree, you are right or you are wrong, and this individual has shown a spotlight on those divisions. "

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In this, what I would say to you is many of these subjects that now many more of you are afraid of, that you are afraid may be being threatened, what I would say to you is first of all never allow fear to dictate to you. Move forward. Be empowered, not disempowered by fear. Recognize that everything that this individual has shown a spotlight on is an opportunity for each and every individual - in EVERY country, not merely that one - in EVERY country, to genuinely address to, to recognize all of this polarization, to stop ignoring it, to stop turning away from it and hoping that it dissipates by itself, and to begin to implement those actions of acceptance of difference, rather than being threatened by difference. Which is what you are doing; you are being threatened by difference."

" And in that, not allowing your FEELINGS - not your emotions, but your feelings - to dictate your behavior, and not allowing your media to be your source of information. Your media is biased. It is not impartial; it is not neutral; It is tremendously biased. But you allow that to dictate to you by allowing it to be your source of information. This should not be your source of information. You should be your source of information.

Action. Intuition. Involvement. Interconnection. How are you interconnected if you are hating? How are you moving in a direction to advance if you are opposing?

This is your time to shine, to be brilliant, to sparkle! This is your time to express yourselves. The door was opened. If the door was opened to the disenfranchised to express themselves in all of their fear, the door is open to everyone. "


There is more about it here:

http://www.eliasweb.org/Session.aspx?sn=201611201
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mystars, interesting restrained language from Elias. What about looking at the hard realities?

Trump imposes 40 to 60% tariff on Chinese imports.
The Chinese economy collapses, and the Communist regime is under threat. The only way the regime can survive is by starting a war.
China invades Formosa. No action from Trump.
China invades South Korea. No action from Trump.
China launches nuclear strike on Japan.
Will Trump honor U.S. commitment to defend Japan?
Massive nuclear strike on major Chinese cities?
Will extraterrestrials intervene?

http://chinapower.csis.org/ssbn/
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There are two choices...The limited one called "hard" reality and the other one that each of us are in the syncronicity point and create our reality...Also with all the retincecy about channeling and stuff still no mature person / adult that i asked can answer my simple question...
How college physics influence your daily life ? Is usually newtonian physics and easy answer...
But
How Quantum Physics influence your daily life ? ... Here everyone i asked is knocked out ...Quantum physics is the framework working behind everything we do every second, milisencond etc..I can't ignore it for the sake of "hard reality"..Quantum physics is beyond physical reality so beyond goverments and all this role play and political circus...I can see quantum physics in my daily life.

- When i done controlled trances in the past,
- When i haven't slept for a night or day in row and played at pc parties / lan parties you go out of body instantly because of such big tiredeness and the area where one ends is in other dimension / quantum stuff,
- now when i channel my abstract drawings and i heal with them mentaly...
- when i daydream state
- contemplation state
When the so called "mature" people will discuss the above things and integrate them as daily conversation and not from some "fancy" labs or new age groups then the structures may be trustable...Until then i let the system collapse by taking my own road and and avoiding feeding the system with fears, worry and other things like this that keep the system in place..Personally i voted for a system transformation or collapsing.I got my popcorn and wait for the new season... :)
Also the ET's are not officially acknoledged and US still spend immense sums on military toys instead of feeding their own people..In my eyes i wait the system to collapse.The "hard reality" is created by people that don't want to let go of control and primitive and rudimentary mentality...SPending on military trilion dollars is a primitive, rudimentary mentality.It feels like you have a friend in distress and try to advice him and he/she is doing the same script and not want to let go of gelosy, war like, anger and so on..The things seems to need to boil down extremely so humanity can learn.Orion drama played again on earth...I read about Orion wars and Orion so i let it play until it's done from mass consciouness..If you want to go beyond "hard reality" and see where this "hard reality" read about Orion drama and wars..After that you can decide if you want to do your own Orion energy purging or not.This is the most helpful solution that i found.I know that i was born in a military family, i played military video games, liking star wars, liking Dune and so on...All have in common Orion past energy playing in my field.In the past Orion civilization the abuse, the punishements, the opressiveness was  1milion times more than what is now in North Korea.They were much more evolved technologically and the abuse and opression was much "upgraded" than Earth.Now that i am conscious and i exposed myself consciously and intentionaly to Orion influenced material i could purge huge amount of energy and emotion from my system and i feel much much at peace even looking at military boys playing with military toys everyday doing all sorts of games, killing etc.I am at peace.My role as a piece of puzzle is to lighten up myself so i lighten up the mass conscious so i offer an example of a new state of mind and living to others...If they want to see it it's ok if not is still ok.I can't change others unless they want to change themselves...Worrying about the political situation is useless imo.The road to reach this state of consciously discovering the worring is uselless is very long road.The state of mind is very very different than the many that see "hard reality" and worriyng about...Is worth the effort.If i will die tommorow i am at peace.I've done the most important thing i can that is changing myself and cleaning deep deep stuff...This is a big homework.Trump even if it's president he didn't do his soul homework.You don't bring to the grave diplomas or mansions or list of playboy girls that you had...It doesn't matter ...  ;)

Also:
- to heal oneself ... lighten up
- to live happier ... lighten up
- to be at peace ... lighten up
- to be of help ... lighten up
- to have vital energy ... lighten up
- to have new inspiration ... lighten up
- to atract loving people .... lighten up
- to have a happier relationship .... lighten up before getting involved in the relationship OR clean your plate before going in a relationship
- to have wise decision in politics ... lighten up
and so on...
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@Sena : Assuming you want try to achieve happiness in your life the worry mind with fears and anxiety can't take you there...You can't control Putin, or Trump, or China or political games but you still have to take care of your own garden.Even if tommorow Trump and the rest will be friends and acceptance and all rainbows and flowers you still have to face your deep fears, anxieties...Can't other do it for you..So even if it's nuclear war tommorow or rainbows and fairies you still have to take care of your own mind and lighten up.So if you cannot control trump, or ivanka, or putin or china and still want to be happy, healthy and satisfied with your life you atend to your mind and lighten up.Health needs a healthy mind...A healthy mind needs a lighten up so what's the point of spending energy to fight what you cannot control anyway.I know it's a mental pattern that is hard to break but it can be done..Cleaning up my mind with or without a war tommorow is for you the biggest satisfaction because it brings your being close to true happiness and peace ...The irony is that you desire peace ...This is why the worries and hard reality stuff...But desiring peace through worring and fear will not get you to peace...This is the paradox..
If the Orion stuff is too much for you or too Scifi...I recommend you to read Osho books about politics...

This is from a book...He is very direct and you will understand easily...
http://www.osho.com/read/osho/osho-on-topics/political-blindness

Also there is a free library on the oficial site above where are 220 complete books of his in english you can read for free.The only requirement you have to make a free acount..


Trump even if it's president now he haven't found happiness so what's next ? Becoming a global leader over all countries and conquering everyone ? He is addicted to the ilusion of power.

Here is a book from Osho that might interst you that i am reading...Power politics and change...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004L2LG5G/?tag=oshocom-20
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I very much enjoyed both of your posts myststars.
lots of good stuff.
thank you for posting it.

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Assuming you want try to achieve happiness in your life the worry mind with fears and anxiety can't take you there
myststars, facing reality does not necessarily mean fear and anxiety. It is possible to face the darkest realities and yet be philosophical about them.
Thomas Mann wrote great literature about both world wars:
 The Magic Mountain (Der Zauberberg) - first war
  Doctor Faustus - second war
What I described in my previous post is, in Sethian terms, one probable reality. The human race has the freedom to choose a very different probable reality.
Seth's teachings are different to touchy feely New Age stuff.
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mystars, interesting restrained language from Elias. What about looking at the hard realities?

Trump imposes 40 to 60% tariff on Chinese imports.
The Chinese economy collapses, and the Communist regime is under threat. The only way the regime can survive is by starting a war.
China invades Formosa. No action from Trump.
China invades South Korea. No action from Trump.
China launches nuclear strike on Japan.
Will Trump honor U.S. commitment to defend Japan?
Massive nuclear strike on major Chinese cities?
Will extraterrestrials intervene?

http://chinapower.csis.org/ssbn/


Those are things about security and defense.Ask your mind why those phrases after reading Elias stuff ? Why not others ?
You cannot confront what you can't control.Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control.it involves multiple people that make their decisions that are beyond your control.
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Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control
There are many possibilities for what consensus the human race will agree on during the next 3 to 4 years. Seth on consensus:

http://tinyurl.com/zqb22tv

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Most of the above are about events that you personally cannot control
There are many possibilities for what consensus the human race will agree on during the next 3 to 4 years. Seth on consensus:

http://tinyurl.com/zqb22tv

The human race is faar from consensus.There is this bully and conflict addiction and blame still powerfull.Until one side begin to look at his own garden and US is an example now waking up more after Trump election.Trump election was like a ringing alarm from a watch in the morning.They have to look at their own garden and their own problems that they ignored at collective and individual level.This realization will be a begining of consensus.China and others the same boat..Still many many people in each country don't want to feel the pains, emotions burried under.They want to avoid suffering by avoiding truth in themselves...This avoidance is making countries bully each other.Also the political landscape is filled with males and males are prone to avoid emotions by stamping them as weakness they still resort to a dysfunctional "Logic and reason" aproach...This will get them to argue and argue and still argue and bring reasons why the other is bad or imorale and so on.Male tend to  intelectualize everything just to avoid using the "weak" emotions..Until this loop is broken somehow buy yourself plenty of popcorn to keep yourself for many seasons of this humanity show soap opera... Intelectulizing male population/politics make the change in humanity painfully long... You can't change those political/intelectual males that are so stuborn... :)
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Still many many people in each country don't want to feel the pains, emotions burried under.They want to avoid suffering by avoiding truth in themselves...This avoidance is making countries bully each other.
I think this is true. This has been going on for maybe 10,000 years, but that is a short time in the history of the Multiverse.

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The Early Sessions 8,  Session 335, April 17, 1967 

"I am speaking in highly practical terms. Your expectations literally create your life as you know it."

I almost never discuss politics OR religion. I may regret doing so now. But I feel this recent election reaction is completely out of control. While I have always voted because I feel it's my duty, I've also felt that my vote was just a drop in the ocean. As Elias said, I've never felt who was in office had that much impact on my personal life.

The press has always been biased. Something Elias also recognizes. But, while Elias also said that less than 20% of the population voted for Trump, I suggest you take a look at this map created by a supposedly independent data seeking group. The red represents votes for Trump, blue for Clinton. I read a very good, seemingly unbiased article, about how and why Trump won. It makes sense to me. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2017/01/20/how_trump_won_--_conclusions_132846.html

I have lived in this country all of my life. I was born into, grew up in, poverty level and my life has constantly improved. If my parents were still alive, they would think I was rich. So, regardless of who ran this country during my lifetime, my life has always improved.

Trump said "America first," which has offended many. My first thought is, "he's the President of America, who else is he going to put first?" Has any country leader said they would make other countries a priority over their own? Why is that interpreted as a threat? I've heard complaints from citizens of other countries that consider America imperialistic, the World Police, criticized for ego and thinking we have a right to stick our noses, without invitation, into other countries' business. We now have a President who says no more of that, let's just try to fix things at home. Once again we are criticized. A new slogan, "America: Damned if you do/Damned if you don't."

My vision of the next 4 years is unburdened by fear and doubt. Optimistic. Why? Why not? Why envision failure, hatred, prejudice, wars, disaster? Do I not make my own reality? Do my expectations not dictate what I will experience?

My version of the future is: Trump will fix what is wrong in America, and as a result the rest of the world will benefit.



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I feel this live chanelling recorded 2 days ago is perfect for this moment:




Enjoy!

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August 28, 1963

"I told you that we do not experience your time sequence. We travel through various
intensities. Our work, development, and experience all takes place within what I term the "moment point." Here, within the moment
point, the smallest thought is brought to fruition, the slightest possibility explored, the
probabilities thoroughly examined, the least or the most forceful feeling entertained. It
is difficult to explain this clearly, and yet the moment point is the framework within
which we have our psychological experience. Within it, simultaneous actions follow
"freely" through associative patterns. For example, pretend that I think of you, Joseph.
In so doing I immediately experience - and fully - your past, present, and future (in your
terms) , and all of those strong or determining emotions and motivations that have ruled
you." (Seth Speaks)
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From a Sethian point of view, nothing has changed with this election (other than bringing the problem of polarization a little more out in the open) because none of the underlying beliefs that are creating the problems have changed.  So even though there may appear to be visible changes being made, they will only be surface changes.  Putting a different party in charge just shifts the flow of government benefits toward a different group of people at the expense of other groups of people.  Extreme polarization creates an even stronger swinging back and forth motion between the two sides that feels like real change, but it's only an illusion.  Unless we figure out how to resolve our conflicts and create a new framework of more constructive beliefs, "solving" any one specific problem will simply create a bunch of new problems elsewhere.

A second important point is government is not a business.  Government does not have the same purposes and goals that a business has.  It doesn't even have the same structure or the same type of power, at least not in a democracy.  So electing a businessman who intends to use business principles to run a government doesn't make sense to me.  It's a little bit like thinking if you fertilize and regularly water a group of dogs and cats that they'll grow like plants would and produce fruits and vegetables.  Instead, all you end up with is a bunch of smelly dogs and angry cats.  If people want to elect an "outsider" in the hope that a fresh perspective would help, choosing someone who has successfully run a nondenominational charitable organization seems more logical because there are at least a few similarities to government in both its goals and the way it functions.

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Trump imo will "fix" the US problems indirectly...He will take so many controversial decision that will hit a button in the people.The people will express their anger and dissapointed and that energy that was repressed in them will begin to flow in some way or another.The angry people will change because the energy will be released and they will be released.Many people will have a realization after the anger/repressed energy will evacuate their bodies and emotional bodies....Obama couldn't do this so directly and bold.Imo an angry male has no solutions to the problems imo.He launch his desires from an anger foundation.He won the campaign with an angry atitude and using mass anger.

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So electing a businessman who intends to use business principles to run a government doesn't make sense to me.
The problem that the electorate faced was that the alternative to Trump, Hilary Clinton, would have served up "more of the same", and would have been unlikely to achieve very much at all. Politics would have been so boring with Clinton.
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Inauguration Day: A bad lip reading of Donald Trump's Inauguration
(funny)


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will watch later, can't wait.
I saw a couple from the debates. truly incredibly hilarious.

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Well ....
Seems my goverment got the courage and balls and maybe have sought that if US elected a president that gives controversial laws then they can too so here you have something in my country ...

http://www.euronews.com/2017/01/30/romanians-protest-against-government-emergency-decrees

The current goverment want to give a law that cut the penalty in prison and will free some corrupted persons.
 
How comic and funny is this ... :)

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Yeesh.

While I doubt the US election had anything to do with these shenanigans (it's obvious who's pushing for these emergency decrees), power corrupts.

I found it bit disturbing that Romania’s President Klaus Iohannis "took part in protests a few days ago, has joined in the criticism and wants a nationwide referendum to step up the anti-corruption fight." The idea that the president himself has to join in the protest makes me wonder who's in charge.  :o

It will be interesting to see how this ends up.

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http://www.euronews.com/2017/01/31/us-acting-attorney-general-sally-yates-defies-trump-travel-ban-saying-not

Well ...

“Look coming into this country is still a privilege, we’re the greatest country on earth. And being able to come to America is a privilege, not a right, and it is our duty and it is the president’s goal to make sure that everybody who comes into this country to the best of our ability is here because they want to enjoy this country and come in peacefully.”


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Continuing the soap opera story from my country yesterday (31.01.2017) afternoon my fellow politicians voted ...

http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/01/romania-decriminalises-some-graft-offences


This is the most primitive mentality goverment in the past years.We pass a threshold of darkness...I can say that parts of me were in illusion.When i saw this news in the morning (01.02.2017) parts me were depressed.I consider an oportunity for healing some parts of me.I feel so peaceful and pleased that i took this trajectory for my life with healing emotions and evolving myself as top priority.The create my own reality is much deeper impregnated in my  cells now after the goverment vote.
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I am truly sorry.
A giant step backwards for your country.


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I am not sorry really and don't be...The old generation don't want change and lie to themselves to just keep an old system in place...Keeping the old system in place also keep in place the old wounds so what is happening in my country now is a culmination of the mentality that was prelevant in my country "I can do it because i can and citizen are stupid and zombie"...This is how they won the election in the first place.The people that voted them are old generation like pension people for example.If the "gang" that want be elected give them something like raise of pension with 5% they will vote the gang...Is a prevalent story..This time they gone a step further and showed the real face behind the mask.Until now it was just "minor" and a  bit "superficial" things so people were more or less accustomed or used to very much..This time they took things to the extreme much further in polarization of negative...This kind of leaders from this gamg named (PSD) are very very old school and old energy and primitive mentality..His gang was elected so he felt the citizen is still accepting "old school" mentality and manipulations and control so they felt to do something more extreme...They had the ilusion that people will just shut up like in old times...So really this is a proof of a "battle" between new and old.This to clean up needs to clean up from mass consciouness.How you clean up from a mass consciouness that refuse to to clean.The old people most don't want to look in themselves or if they look they are too old in age.Is just survival, fear and emotional misery...Until this is cleared from mass consciouness people may still vote phantoms from past like they voted this time (PSD gang)...Very Orion stuff...All middle east is a direct Orion stuff again...Many many people still ignore the emotional side of them and "fight" the goverment and stuff..Big ilusion.
With past wounds unsolved one's vote is for past leaders...Law of atraction.Unless one solve the past wounds he/she is stuck meeting "past" people that reflect his/her wounds.
I forgot to say there is a law in our constitution that says if a political "gang" like PSD will endanger the very foundation of a democratic state with his laws it can brought in front of justice and dismantled.There are big chance for this to happen and if this political "gang" will disappear this will be huge transformation for my country...People that voted by inertia this political suddenly will be shaken and this means transformation and a chance for a dinasoar structure to be put to rest.Some people may disapear from political scene when this political gang sinks.It will be like a reborn and restructure of the political scene.
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Adronis on Trump presidency





very positive overview.

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This video is from the Byron Katie - thework.com

What kind of President Trump do you want? Reflecting back upon our own selves what kind of world to you want to live in? Reflecting back to each individual and how they feel about their own self, in the world, with other people.

This challenge I am thinking, is going to get to our core beliefs about us as mass consciousness. Mass event. This is ours. We own it. We can revise it and change it, and see others in a better place, in a better outcome.

We wave in and out and in ...of probable realities. Which reality will each one of us move into? There are probable realities where Trump is a fantastic president for those who feel they need a president.

I think that is the key here. Our perception of each of our own reality placed within mass reality. Are we individually: joyous ? Are we repressed? Are we working in a job that we love? How do we handle turmoil? Change? What do we really think about our own individual selves?

Every election shows us. Trump is not new as far as how the typical game is played. He is no different than any other president we have had. Why do they feel the need for governing people? Do they think we can not do this on our own? Do they think we are not smart enough?  There are many strings here being pulled.

What are our political beliefs? Are they core beliefs? Is it the job of a body of people to take care of us? And from what? Danger? Terrorists? The FEDS? What? I find these ARE core beliefs.

But.... is it OUR job individually to take care of our own wonderful selves or the entire country? What if taking care of our own wonderful individuated selves IS taking care of the entire country?

Is this meddling? Are they meddling?

It is a challenge. Are we up for it? Too tired? Too afraid?

Do we lack faith in our own individual experience in this life - in our own wonderful Inner Self that much? Do you doubt your creative ability to step into a different probable reality?

"Here, within the moment point, the smallest thought is brought to fruition....."

Every single thought creates the reality we live in. There is not one thought that does not contribute to this.

I ask these questions to my own self. For discovery. Sometimes they conflict. Sometimes they don't. When I arrive at a 're-thought out solution' it must be a 9 or better feeling tone for me or it will not stick.


And let us not forget there are many many many people out there asleep. The walking dead. And if you vote, how do you know you are not voting for a zombie? Or a mechanical person? Why do we vote in the first place? Is this country in need of competition? Who is the better man? Or woman? What is THAT about? So we judge? Others? And then we will be judged right back.

You get what you expect and you get what you think.

There is an old saying "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Is that something we do?


“I form the light, and I create darkness; I make the weal, and I create the woe. I am the Lord who do all these things.” ~ Your I AMness

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I am not sorry really and don't be...The old generation don't want change and lie to themselves to just keep an old system in place...Keeping the old system in place also keep in place the old wounds so what is happening in my country now is a culmination of the mentality that was prelevant in my country "I can do it because i can and citizen are stupid and zombie"...This is how they won the election in the first place.The people that voted them are old generation like pension people for example.If the "gang" that want be elected give them something like raise of pension with 5% they will vote the gang...Is a prevalent story..This time they gone a step further and showed the real face behind the mask.Until now it was just "minor" and a  bit "superficial" things so people were more or less accustomed or used to very much..This time they took things to the extreme much further in polarization of negative...This kind of leaders from this gamg named (PSD) are very very old school and old energy and primitive mentality..His gang was elected so he felt the citizen is still accepting "old school" mentality and manipulations and control so they felt to do something more extreme...They had the ilusion that people will just shut up like in old times...So really this is a proof of a "battle" between new and old.This to clean up needs to clean up from mass consciouness.How you clean up from a mass consciouness that refuse to to clean.The old people most don't want to look in themselves or if they look they are too old in age.Is just survival, fear and emotional misery...Until this is cleared from mass consciouness people may still vote phantoms from past like they voted this time (PSD gang)...Very Orion stuff...All middle east is a direct Orion stuff again...Many many people still ignore the emotional side of them and "fight" the goverment and stuff..Big ilusion.
With past wounds unsolved one's vote is for past leaders...Law of atraction.Unless one solve the past wounds he/she is stuck meeting "past" people that reflect his/her wounds.
I forgot to say there is a law in our constitution that says if a political "gang" like PSD will endanger the very foundation of a democratic state with his laws it can brought in front of justice and dismantled.There are big chance for this to happen and if this political "gang" will disappear this will be huge transformation for my country...People that voted by inertia this political suddenly will be shaken and this means transformation and a chance for a dinasoar structure to be put to rest.Some people may disapear from political scene when this political gang sinks.It will be like a reborn and restructure of the political scene.


What past do you want to visualize? What future do you want? Does focusing on all that (above) redirect you to a better feeling place where you then make beneficial decisions?

And how can you be sure anything you just said is true? Can you be 100% that it is all true?

"The old generation don't want change and lie to themselves to just keep an old system in place..."

Is that a true statement? You know for a fact that it is true?

"Keeping the old system in place also keep in place the old wounds "

You do not sound (to me) as if you are joyous as you are re-wounding yourself by keeping this feeling alive within you it seems.

I think this is why Seth recommends to us to turn the news off. Put the newspapers down.

I find when I get involved with the news etc, I am only letting them create MY reality.

In the words of Jane herself "My life is mine and I form it."

Conclusion: You care ALOT about humanity. So much so it pains you deeply to see it infected with ......._fill in blank____. There is nothing wrong with that but do you think you can get to where you really want to be from that state of mind?

I have to ask myself these questions when others come to me with stories of news. What I really want to do is plug my ears! lol But we do live in mass consciousness and I have an opportunity to try to speak in a way that I feel good about, stick to my guns, and be on my way without being a total *b--ch* So it is a challenge I have created to practice this.

If I start to nitpick anything.....I start feeling like crap. I really do not want to feel crappy so why do I continue to talk about a situation or a person or whatever so unlovingly (is that a word?) when really all I am doing is talking about myself. So I find I meddle here and there. Who am I to say what another can or can not do? Who am I to judge what others have done? When my ONLY responsibility is to have fun ? Isn't that the Seth Teaching?

So...did you just have fun? We can all rant and express. But where do we draw the line between ranting and expressing. How can we get to fun ?

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I am truly sorry.
A giant step backwards for your country.



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"Lucy! 'Splain yourself!"

You ask a lot of self-challenging questions. Bravo!

I'm am not a very politically involved person. My overall experience has been that while US presidents come, and US presidents go, my life is far enough removed that it affects me only a little. And not often. But I view and respect others' involvement and beliefs. To each his own.

I sometimes listen to the news. With fresh ears. My approach is both critical and skeptical. I refuse to be told what to believe, resist what I'm am told to do. Or cannot do (I consider THAT inspiration).

This whole last election was amusing to me, not being sure who was going to win, while also being open to something new. The final result was very surprising, but not in any way frightening or threatening. I'm only curious.

My question is regarding this:

"Your expectations literally create your life as you know it."

What were you expressing here? Was it pertaining to myststars's commentary on his country's decision to re-legalize corruption, or my comment to him?  I don't understand.

I may be critical and skeptical, but can also be dense. :).

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What kind of President Trump do you want?

I made it through a minute of the video. I suppose I should go back and try to finish. I will. And I will edit this post if something new strikes me.

The woman reading her fear list turned me off when she said she wanted Trump dead, after talking about all the anti-compassionate, anti-human rights traits she says he has. I've heard many anti-Trump people say the same types of things:  I hope he dies, he should be dead, someone should kill him. That is so hypocritical to me. Basically, "we want a kinder/gentler person in office, he could kill people, let's kill him." I honestly don't understand where these deep-seated fears are coming from. Maybe I'm just naive, but I don't have the same fears. Sure Trump holds little or nothing back, puts his foot in his mouth quite often, has said things that are definitely bigoted. But to say he's going to bring back concentration camps and start WWIII seems extreme to me.

A friend recently told me that when Trump was elected, psychiatrists experienced a huge upsurge in anti-anxiety prescriptions. Some people were afraid to leave their homes. Schools are offering counseling services to students and staff traumatized over the election. Schools were closed on election day due to fears about violence around the election. I have a hard time comprehending all of that, since I was not far removed from the Columbine Massacre, 911, etc. and have to put things into perspective.

Why are so many people so fearful (of so many things)? Why concentrate so hard on what can go wrong, rather than hope for the best, which is so much more favorable and just as easy?

"Trump and his supporters are possibly the bringers of internment camps, concentration camps, or even armageddon." Sounds like Satan is alive and well in a lot of minds.

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here is an old saying "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Is that something we do?

Apparently not. Or maybe so... in that we can't love our neighbor until we love ourselves. Or trust others if we don't trust ourselves. And "living in a safe universe" is out of the question if there is no trust that the Universe, All That Is, Source is benign and supportive.

You do get what you concentrate upon.

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What if taking care of our own wonderful individuated selves IS taking care of the entire country?

That makes sense to me.
Seth has said we should try to pitch in when we can, and I think that old saying that "charity begins at home" is fairly accurate. Being willing to help others is a great trait and gesture. It becomes interference when the gesture is not requested, appreciated or accepted. We need to be mindful and not try to force our perceptions or beliefs on others. But I really think people need to start thinking independently and stop blindly following what is said by media and others. Critical thinking is a gift that we all need to appreciate and use.

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Okay I'm almost through the entire video, and Byron Katie has just won herself a fan. This woman is a pro at cutting to the quick. Brilliant. Thank you for that.


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Why are so many people so fearful (of so many things)? Why concentrate so hard on what can go wrong, rather than hope for the best, which is so much more favorable and just as easy?




I am not advertising this session for profit in some way or another but to emphasize some things.The session is "special" for the trump election but the  little description itself contain some key words that are relevant here...I bought this session myself and is presented from a very very high universe point of view..I can't gift the session to this forum...It would have been a very nice listening for many fearful americans.Some channelers made the sessions related to Trump free of charge..


#284 The Pendulum Swings.  November 10, 2016, Tokyo, Japan. (Germane). In English with Japanese Translation.  After the tumultuous US election, Germane discusses polarity dynamics in a transitioning civilization and what we can expect, with brand new information and teachings; How to navigate the chaos and what a reflective reality really means. He offers several models to more deeply understand these polarity dynamics and discusses how to best use the challenges to awaken ourselves using the Galactic Heritage Card teachings. He also discusses consciousness as an expression of the fractal and how to work with this conceptual information in a practical way in our daily lives. The session is enhanced by wonderful audience questions. If you love metaphysics and seeing a bigger picture, you will enjoy this recording.

http://www.lyssaroyal.net/mp3-audio-downloads.html

Also i am a big picture learner...This is one of the reason this materials fit for me...

Also to give my personal opinion to your question.The fear of survival activated en masse with the Trump election.Maybe 911 activated also this kind of fear ? You tell me.People now are forced to face this fear of survival.The biggest national challenge is deaing with inner fear of survival.Many many people haven't learned to deal with this.Schools haven't teached them, parents not really and society just consider this part of day to day "business" and control...The paradox is many of us are manipulated and controlled because of this fear.Many of us stay in jobs that don't fit with us and stay in emotional misery and unhappiness because this fear.Now i do feel the emotional teachers and psychologyst and people that may be able to assist will be invaluable and maybe critical.The culture with fear dealing may rise.On the long term the anti-psychotics will not work so much so people may be forced to deal with the fear of survival in a more natural way.The paradox is if US and global citizens were in slavery by using this fear against them by some ...groups... what Trump's comming done is that he forced this "dealing" with the fear of survival put in the open...Either people learn to deal witht this fear or die or get mentally sick...The irony is that whoever learn to deal with this and transcend it can't be manipulated, controlled and will be the new human that will change the earth...The .... groups .... can't manipulate those individuals that transceded the deepest fear of all imo...The used this fear to manipulate en masse...Forcing dealing with the fear of survival may be the biggest gift that Trump can offer to US citizens...I know it will be hard to see it like a gift...
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"Lucy! 'Splain yourself!"


My question is regarding this:

"Your expectations literally create your life as you know it."

What were you expressing here? Was it pertaining to myststars's commentary on his country's decision to re-legalize corruption, or my comment to him?  I don't understand.



If we think that our country is corrupt, we will live in a corrupt country and find evidence of it at every turn, which then can tend to lead to throwing stones at anyone not of that view point or better yet, at one's own self as evidence to keep focusing on this 'corrupted country'.

Throwing stones = evidence and facts of rock bed reality.

There is no such thing as 're-legalizing' corruption from my point of view. There is no such thing as 'one truth'. There is only and ever will be, your perspective, and your truth.

It is legal to murder. How is this not corrupt within the perspective that murder is a means to an end?  We go to war. We murder. We have guns and use them. All militaries do this in every country. From my point of view. And every president in THIS country utilizes the military as a means to an end. But it never is the end is it ? And what is the end? They sell peace but who is buying ? Is that courruption as well ? Seems quite lively from where I am standing.

What does the word corrupt mean to anyone? Was there a pure and perfect way of life that is now corrupted ? And by what?

Ya can't get there (beneficial way of life for an individual where it causes no harm to others) from this state of mind.  It is too easy to throw stones, it is too easy to be tricked by the Ego that your truth is the only way, the reasoning mind tells us to judge based on what? So much is going on here that it is really.... not about corruption.

I would have to look at my own self and find the core of it.

Can I think clearly about an entire country when I myself am not thinking clearly about my own self? 

We get used to touching news and getting involved and meddling. It is habitual and habits can be tricky little buggers to get away from.

For example: You wake up and what is the first thing you do? When you do it can you feel your body moving? Are you aware of what you are doing and how the world around you is unfolding like a flower around you revealing your true intentions ?  When you routinely do your routines, are you aware of synchronicities and intuitions ?

According to statistics there are over 7.5 billion people on Earth.

That is 7.5 billion Earths! There are at least 7.5 billion truths for ONE TOPIC.

According to statistics there are over 324, 420, 000 people that live in the United States of America.

That would mean there are over 324, 420, 000 truths on what corruption means.
There are over 324, 420, 000 different versions of truth on Donald Trump!  lololol

And that is just people! I did not include any other living being such as animals or mammals or insects or trees or water......

But more so what I meant by that is this:

"What is coming at you is coming from within you."
"You get what you focus on there is no other main rule."

You focus on corruption and you will find corruption and sometimes you will eat, drink, live, and marry corruption.

How can anyone (not just a poster here truly anyone) think of lovely thoughts about a country in a state of challenge when they honestly feel + think + expect + imagine the people are corrupted and the result is living in and taking part in, a corrupted life?

There is a way out of this but IT TAKES WORK. Work on the Self.

That is 'The Way'. The way in is the way out.

And Byron Katie is a resource for me when I get muddy.

But, my main go to is paying attention to my thoughts 24/7 and asking myself questions.
The story I tell myself is the life I will experience. And that happens on the inside.
My mate loves to tell me all about the world news. To include a certain ethnicity genocide.

I certainly have given myself a challenge. I would rather not hear it but focusing on what I dont want is certainly not going to get me to where I want to be, how I want to be doing it and with whom I want to be doing it with.

Life is like a buffet. Would you rather have a buffet full of food you do not want to eat or full of food you totally and immensely enjoy eating ?

I must really love this contrast of experience because I keep getting *h*t I dont want! *L*
But in fairness to myself , to the power of revision and creation, it is a lack of faith in my own self with certain creations I become Satan (lolololol).

There is a quote in the bible (I know I know but hear me out if ya can tolerate it pretty please ?)

I read it as this:
Jesus = The True and Faithful Self/Imagination/I AM/Faithful to Assumptions/The Self of mine that is faithful to my belief that my creation is here

disciples = parts of self learning how to create and be faithful, also my states of mind

Jerusalem = my mind, my skull

Peter = the doubting one of the bunch, the doubting self in this moment, the meddler, let me protect you from all the blows of life even though I am not faithful (cant get there from here)

Satan = of the physical world only, rock bed reality

God = I AM whatever I want to be

raised again on the third day = Christmas!

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


We are in the school of Earth. Here to graduate. Ya cant graduate without experiencing the contrasts of life! On the tree of life is the human body. Physcial reality. I believe we are here each to experience as Seth mentions: to be a woman, a sister, a brother, a father, a mother, each holding different jobs and beliefs in the world. When we graduate the Entity then has gained SO MUCH!

Our Entity became human so that our human self could become ........God.

"We are baby gods in training couched in creaturehood."

These tools we find along the way, support us in our journey to help cushion the blows of life. It doesnt mean we will not experience them we were meant to experience them. But we have this "I create reality" to support us.
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May I ask, what your belief in the world was at the time you found this news article? And also, is this beneficial in any way leading anyone back to their true Self?
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May I ask, what your belief in the world was at the time you found this news article?

Well I'm not sure if it was "beneficial in any leading anyone back to their true Self". While this is a Seth forum, we also have discussions that are casual, conversational, not always on the straight and narrow but usually getting to the destination. Why, do you feel it was a harmful link to put up? I just want to know where you're coming from.

Let me tell you why I put that up. It was because of reactions all around the world (yes, even here on the forum) with fearful forecasts of what Trump is going to 'do' to the world (not just the USA). Concentration camps. Blast women's rights back into the Stone Age. Reverse Roe v. Wade. Boot all 'foreigners' out of the country. Regress gay rights. Ethnic rights. Start the final World War. Destroy the planet. I'm not even sure I've heard it all, because I really don't enjoy politics AT ALL. And I've been really caught off-guard with all of the hysteria around the election, AROUND THE WORLD. While it doesn't upset me, I find it very interesting and surprising. I didn't see it coming, and figure it will settle down after a while. Maybe the world-wide reaction is a good thing, it has certainly created some sort of international unity for people.

So, I've always been a bit of a fact checker. While I'm open to listening to others' opinions, I don't automatically believe everything that I hear (well, unless it's on Facebook, I know that's all real :) ). I've heard it mentioned (maybe here, or if not that seemed to be where this topic was going, see https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=8554) and being inflated in the news, that Trump's temporary travel ban is outrageous, bigoted, and once again likened to Hitler and his ethnic cleansing processes. It was being made to sound like Trump invented the concept and was the only president to do so. Which jogged my memory. So I did a search to find out how many recent US presidents utilized travel bans. My intention with posting that link was a gentle "check your premises" and a response to the post. So maybe yes, it was in some way meant to bring someone back to their true Self, meaning: seek the truth and draw your own conclusions from what you find. I didn't expound because I felt myststars would catch my drift.

My world view at the time of that post was the same as it is right now. We are the world. The world is a living thing. Not just the people and the animals and the natural resources: we exist on a living planet. One that is always changing, growing and balancing itself. Most people are just people, connected, with similar needs and habits: trying to live a good life. My solitary travel to a "scary" country this last summer sealed that deal for me. I love humanity. I love this planet.

There are some that are out of balance and end up harming others because they are… out of balance. But because of my beliefs in Seth's teaching, it is a cooperative venture. Some parts of the planet may be less in balance than others, constantly warring, genocide, it may have to do with Seth's coordinate points. IDK. I choose not to live in fear. I try not to make to decisions based on fear. I do not feel threatened. But having grown up street-smart, I tend to be aware in my circumstances. Not guarded, as much as being awake. In the moment.

Did I answer your question?

Your input?

BTW I spent some time tonight listening to more Byron Katie. Nice. AND I bought a used copy of the A Course In Miracles Set. I've been hearing about it since I started this forum, maybe even before that. For the final price (less than $3 with my Amazon credit points), I figured it was meant to be. I tend to be a book whore. Ooops, did I say that?



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Did I answer your question?

Your input?

BTW I spent some time tonight listening to more Byron Katie. Nice. AND I bought a used copy of the A Course In Miracles Set. I've been hearing about it since I started this forum, maybe even before that. For the final price (less than $3 with my Amazon credit points), I figured it was meant to be. I tend to be a book whore. Ooops, did I say that?





That was a well thought out answer. You are running the forum and even in our off Seth topic chats we really are not ever off the Seth Teaching - ever not a day. So, I was just making sure for my own self, I am where I want to be. Know what I mean?

I was more or less doing a premises check on where I signed up lol

I don't get involved much with the off topic stuff or politics. Well I haven't before. I do find it a safe place for people to do so though as long as there is someone that will redirect focus or help others find better resources to guide them back to their creative ability (abilities).

I posted a little and I do not know if I will post more than I have because it is not my focus but I am aware. (in regards to politics) It is such a tricky arena and people can be quite sensitive to this topic.

And really my question could be asked about all people practicing Seth and other Teachers.
It could be a very beneficial question to ask the little self as an ecology check.

When I think there are devils sure enough there they will be. Like the news. If I think there are pedophiles ruling churches and daycares -- I am sure to find all the evidence I need to back that belief up. How so? Because that is the probable reality I have chosen to focus on.

This country, USA, has such a wonderful challenge set upon its world stage.
What ever WILL we do ?

Obviously fighting and bickering and warring will not resolve much except for the same ole song and dance.

Im a resource whore *lol*

Have you checked out https://www.thriftbooks.com/ ?? Its a way cool place!

THANK you for your reply. I appreciate the time you took to write all that out and respond to me respectfully. I was teetering on if I ask then.......but I took a chance. Glad I did.


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I still wish for everyone to put the news down.

 ;) ;) ;D ;D :D :D :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Let make our own new news within Self.

Imagine that!

What would life be like if no one took part of the reading or surfing of news?
Who would the parts of self confess all this non sense to? Its just theater!

Who would hear?
Who would see?
Who is in charge?

Which part of self is saying...."yes read that!"
Which part of self is saying...." Oh my god yes see that look at that headline! we must read it!"
Which part of self is saying...."I am the news person and this is my fact and you must believe it! "

??..??..?? (cant do consecutive q marks without it making faces)


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That was a well thought out answer. You are running the forum and even in our off Seth topic chats we really are not ever off the Seth Teaching - ever not a day. So, I was just making sure for my own self, I am where I want to be. Know what I mean?

I was more or less doing a premises check on where I signed up lol

Understandable! Thanks for making me think out my answer. Sometimes I get tired of listening to myself (I can go on and on when I write) so force myself to keep things short occasionally.

Thanks for the heads-up on Thriftbooks!

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What would life be like if no one took part of the reading or surfing of news?
Who would the parts of self confess all this non sense to? Its just theater!

I guess we'd end up talking with our neighbors more. And gossiping to make our own news. It's almost an addiction with some people, I see them constantly checking their phone every time "breaking news" dings in a new article. I really don't ever watch the news any more and in the old days I would unsubscribe from newspaper delivery about once a year, just couldn't take all the negativity. I now have zero patience for commercials and have cut down even listening to the radio because it's become unbearable.

Just heard this glowing radio commercial this morning about all the wonderful new drugs Pharma is researching to fix our bodies. It was very heart-warming. Kind of like that Monsanto commercial a couple years back of the family having Thanksgiving dinner. I almost had a stroke.

Some group dissected it:





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Good to see democracy in action.

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Decisive action by Trump:



"The UK government says it "fully supports" the US missile strike against an air base in Syria in response to a suspected chemical weapons attack.
A No 10 spokeswoman said: "We believe [it] was an appropriate response to the barbaric chemical weapons attack launched by the Syrian regime, and is intended to deter further attacks.""
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Unwise responses ... And those responses get borring and borring and solve nothing ...

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"Mr Trump is also yet to make any public comments about the movement of the US warships, but his Syrian missile strike is being interpreted as a warning to North Korea.
The President’s chief national security adviser, HR McMaster, said the Korean strategy was aimed to give the President a “full range of options to remove that threat to the American people and to our allies and partners in the region”.
General McMaster said North Korea was “a rogue regime that is now a nuclear capable regime”.
“What must happen is the denuclearisation of the Korean Peninsula,” General McMaster told Fox News Sunday."

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/tensions-at-tipping-point-why-donald-trump-had-to-act-on-north-korea-now/news-story/af8e0c30f9f21f6c6e45fdde868305be

" Of greater concern, this all must be viewed as part of a Trumpian learning curve, whereby the president is gaining experience with—and evident satisfaction in—using military force against those weaker than us. This is an impulse that will not be fulfilled by the single-salvo strike against Syria alone—there will be a third, a fourth, and successive steps up the ladder of escalation."
" What might those next steps look like? The most likely scenarios are preemptive military strikes against North Korea and/or Iran. Indeed, Trump had no sooner finished giving the order to attack Syria on Thursday night than he was hinting to President Xi Jinping of China—then at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida for a dinner with the president—that North Korea could be next on this list of US targets if it did not cease its pursuit of nuclear-armed intercontinental ballistic missiles."

https://www.thenation.com/article/in-trumps-cruise-missile-diplomacy-iran-and-north-korea-could-be-next/
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Substitute Paris for other and same deal. Byron Katie really brings it back to us. What we believe about violence, in our own personal and individual world, is uniquely perceived by the individual. Staying in alignment with your Entity, with your True and Faithful Self is key I think during these times. It means one less fanatic IMO in a world that is ourselves pushed out. 



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As a serious long-term student of Seth, I have had quite a time dealing with the meaning of the Trump presidency. I personally find him repulsive, was shocked when he won, and continue to be amazed that, given his chaotic presidency, he still has so much support. I would have expected more buyer's remorse from his base by now. But after the initial shock, I found that I was also feeling inexplicably euphoric. In asking myself what this was about, I got in touch with the fact that the eight years of seething hatred directed toward the uppity black guy was not going to be transferred to the uppity woman. If Clinton had won, she would have had the same frustrations getting anything done that Obama had. Now, we have created "en masse" a condition in which many who have been asleep have woken up and many who have been passionately opposing progressive movements get a change in perspective. Now that the opposing side has the reigns, they get a taste of their own medicine. Oddly, opposition to Trump is largely from within, not only from the Freedom Caucus, but also from moderate Republicans. This is not to mention that Trump seems to be his own worst enemy, tweeting and stumbling through his first 100 days as a petulant, angry child with dangerous toys. So assuming we get through the next few years without serious setbacks, I believe we will see an unblocking of progress and effective passionate progressive activism that would not have happened with a Hillary presidency.

The Trump presidency is also for me an opportunity to continue to practice loving those with whom I disagree. I have always loved my right-wing friends and relatives, and I will practice at loving Donald Trump. All of my meat-space Sethian friends (or at least those who have shared their views) have a real problem with Trump. I tell them what I have said above. Trump just wants to be loved. He is not evil. As Seth says, a seed is not evil just because it is not yet a flower. 

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But after the initial shock, I found that I was also feeling inexplicably euphoric.

I have to say I can relate. For me, it's like we are in for some big changes, maybe the 'ride' of a lifetime. Whatever this administration ends up as, it can be a real opportunity for people to see obvious, fast and hard evidence of how we make our reality. Trump is shaking things up and whether for the better or worse, it is up to us, yes en masse. It's an opportunity. Or it can be.  


 

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