Today I went into London for an appointment and afterwards started manifesting/attracting an odd mixture of reactions from men. Usually I am pretty invisible to blokes and can get about without comment.
The appointment was at a hair clinic (I have hair 'challenges') and it went OK. The manager (male) who saw me was helpful, gave me advice, trimmed my hair and put some of it up into grips. The unusual stuff started happening as soon as I hit the shops.
1) I was in a large busy pharmacy, trying to dart around people, and a big man blocked my path, challenging me in a (US?) accent, 'Do you have a problem?' I was so shocked by the suddenness and his rudeness I didn't know how to react. :o
2) I went to a coffee shop and sat in the window with my drink as I like to people watch. Traffic was stationary outside and one coach driver saw I was looking out and he started winking and leering at me. ???
3) I was in a queue in a shop. The quene snaked around on itself as the shop was crowded. A good-looking man ahead of me (but also opposite, if you see what I mean) started smiling at me. Very confident and flirty he asked 'Who's smiling?' , as if it was a general question. Because he was still staring at me I said 'You are!' ???
4) On the train back home I was sitting in a 'Quiet Carriage' when three men, a bit 'laddish' and noisy, sat across the aisle from me. I could tell they had beer with them and as I wanted to read my book in peace, I got up and began to go to the next carriage. 'Was it something I said?' one of them jeered after me, followed by a few other comments. I began to wish I had sat with a family or a group of people. :(
After being so invisible, as I've said, having several tiny but unusual (and mostly unpleasant) encounters with men one after another has put me on belief alert! I really would prefer not go through another day like today.
I can hear the accent come through. Love it. :-)
Sounds like you are straddling two belief systems. Keep smiling.
It seems like a very strong sign.
Have you asked yourself why did you create and accept this experience? Or perhaps its always been happening and now you're noticing. Perhaps you are ready for a new step in your development?
Some fears might be being faced and can't be ignored anymore.
Just some ideas. Thanks for sharing.
LK
Hi Wren,
As a hetero-dude myself I have had unwanted attention from other men / flirting etc. It has never bothered me, and frankly I find attention from either sex quite flattering even though I have no interest in same sex-sex etc.
Sounds like you got a good haircut that people found attractive, and the blokey lot on the train were perhaps a little jealous, or insecure with themselves, as men in packs often are when they suspect someone is gay by a haircut, of you know dressing NOT like a total slob. Which is a very superficial way of thinking someone is gay.
Reminds me of that gag on Seinfeld "I'm not gay, however I am thin, neat and single". For some people not being exactly like them is criteria enough to label someone as a person they can not relate to, or want to make fun of in some way.
I've had interesting looks with both a fair amount of hair on my head, and like a number three buzz cut, which is my favourite hair cut. Women and men I have spoken to both prefer some length to the hair, and most find me less attractive with the extremely short shaved head, in fact I like the LACK of attention with the shorter hair, it also gives that "don't fuck with me look" which is really not me, but I can be quite a rude and abrasive person, which is just me being direct and impatient in dealing with idiots etc.
Anyhow, enjoy the attention and don't beat yourself up about it or feel you are inferior in any way. If anything you are both more attractive, more vibrant and more observant to your inner and outer world, than the boof heads on the train who use group conformity to confirm their own insecurities.
You are a lion among hyenas, and really have nothing to fear from them nor yourself. 8)
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Quote from: BethAnne on February 27, 2016, 09:02:32 PM
I can hear the accent come through. Love it. :-)
Sounds like you are straddling two belief systems. Keep smiling.
I suspect you're right. It looks as though I have two sets of beliefs about men. My experience with the manager reflected one set and the experiences with the other men reflected the other set.
Having my hair attended to (I'm not very groomed usually!) and talking with the manager about physical appearances and celebrities seems to have triggered the encounters, which have been drawn to the attention of the conscious mind.
BTW, I'm tempted to ask you about how you can hear my accent, but maybe I shouldn't! ;D
Quote from: John Sorensen on February 28, 2016, 01:47:00 AM
Hi Wren,
As a hetero-dude myself I have had unwanted attention from other men / flirting etc. It has never bothered me, and frankly I find attention from either sex quite flattering even though I have no interest in same sex-sex etc.
Sounds like you got a good haircut that people found attractive, and the blokey lot on the train were perhaps a little jealous, or insecure with themselves, as men in packs often are when they suspect someone is gay by a haircut, of you know dressing NOT like a total slob. Which is a very superficial way of thinking someone is gay.
Reminds me of that gag on Seinfeld "I'm not gay, however I am thin, neat and single". For some people not being exactly like them is criteria enough to label someone as a person they can not relate to, or want to make fun of in some way.
I've had interesting looks with both a fair amount of hair on my head, and like a number three buzz cut, which is my favourite hair cut. Women and men I have spoken to both prefer some length to the hair, and most find me less attractive with the extremely short shaved head, in fact I like the LACK of attention with the shorter hair, it also gives that "don't fuck with me look" which is really not me, but I can be quite a rude and abrasive person, which is just me being direct and impatient in dealing with idiots etc.
Anyhow, enjoy the attention and don't beat yourself up about it or feel you are inferior in any way. If anything you are both more attractive, more vibrant and more observant to your inner and outer world, than the boof heads on the train who use group conformity to confirm their own insecurities.
You are a lion among hyenas, and really have nothing to fear from them nor yourself. 8)
A lion rather than a small bird. Yeahh! 8)
The coach driver and the men on the train exhibited the same behaviour (leeriness) but while one responded to my gaze by overt leering, the others twisted it around by reacting to my lack of interest in them by a more aggressive approach. As you noted, the 'pack' approach means that aggressive behaviour is heightened. Would one of them have acted like that if he were on his own? Maybe not. But as a female, travelling on her own & unused to male attention for some time, I found it very unsettling.
I'm also very aware of Seth's warnings about 'victimhood' beliefs. I can't say I create my reality and then pick and choose which bits. I 'agreed' to it. It's reconciling the two sets of beliefs that's the tricky part.
Wren,
It is interesting that you have observed this unusual and somewhat hostile behaviour. According to Indian (Vedic) astrology, we are currently in an unusual and unsettling situation from the 20th of February onwards. Below is an extract from an email I received:
Quote2016 would witness the second most important astrological phenomenon of this year when Mars crosses over into the mysterious & aggressive sign of Scorpio. Here Mars joins Saturn from the 20th February till 18th September 2016. The Saturn - Mars conjunction is usually a 45-50 day phenomenon. This time however Mars would retrograde within this sign making this into a very long & challenging 211 days conjunction. With the two toughest planets of the solar system retrograding in the same sign at the same time, we all would need to brace ourselves for some major changes in our lives & the world economies as we know them.
Quote from: Wren on March 01, 2016, 08:54:40 AMI'm also very aware of Seth's warnings about 'victimhood' beliefs. I can't say I create my reality and then pick and choose which bits. I 'agreed' to it. It's reconciling the two sets of beliefs that's the tricky part.
I can relate to this. I've written elsewhere that I reincarnated (in my subjective opinion) with Gangsters who I've had many past life encounters and took this time in history to release that Karma, as according to the above astrology, THIS is the Time to release all that "junk". :-)
Even without that Woo-Woo, I'm a Pisces surrounded by Taurus Mom and Leo siblings. They just bulldozed me over. LOL
Thinking I could just get away from all that drama by moving, which I did often, I found that where ever I went I "brought that drama with me".
So I'm back in town to release it all. Quite the shitstorm. And the storm has become a gentle rain.
Wren, I have no idea how I know things?? LOL
Quote from: senafernando on March 01, 2016, 09:24:55 AMAccording to Indian (Vedic) astrology, we are currently in an unusual and unsettling situation from the 20th of February onwards.
Thank you for including this. I couldn't agree more. I believe that because I've worked so hard on releasing Karma (a loaded concept) that I've turned that negative aspect into a charming positive one. One of my "assignments" this past year was to balance polarities. And if anyone has some insight into that concept I would appreciate hearing. I don't go looking for this stuff, I just keep tripping over it. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ75M4AKpFk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZ75M4AKpFk)
Senafernando... This question is a bit of a thread drift but I'm wondering if from your cultural perspective you might have an opinion.
Because of that Toddler near death experience, would it have been possible for a secondary personality to fuse with me to "borrow" the original BethAnne body? I've been told I'm not a walk in, but neither does my life follow my original family rules. ;D Or any rules for that matter.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 01, 2016, 10:22:05 AMwould it have been possible for a secondary personality to fuse with me to "borrow" the original BethAnne body?
Ever hear of the Booth Brothers? They're sort of boutique filmmakers that I ran into during my ghost hunting days. They made a documentary in 2009, The Possessed. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1067777/?ref_=tt_rec_tti)
"Based on the True Story, The Watseka Wonder, America's first documented possession in 1870. A chilling story of a 13-year-old girl from the small town of Watseka, Illinois who became possessed by spirits of the insane dead."
Well, she wasn't possessed by the insane dead, but rather another young girl who wanted to tie up loose ends with her own family. It was documented in the papers, which lends more credibility for me. If you'd like to see it, I can burn you a copy and mail it to you. The Brothers are into making Grade B movies and take some liberties, but they did back up the movie with at least newspaper reports. The cover of the movie is misleading, she was perfectly normal and the grieving parents of the dead girl took her into their home.
The spirit finally left the girl one day, and she went on to live a normal life, just like nothing had happened.
Yeah, try explaining that to the relatives.
Quote from: senafernando on March 01, 2016, 09:24:55 AMAccording to Indian (Vedic) astrology, we are currently in an unusual and unsettling situation from the 20th of February onwards.
This is very interesting. Although I've never been into astrology, a friend "introduced" me to an astrologer down in Texas. My friend was so bowled over by her reading that I had to give it a try. I was transcribing it (recorded from Skype), finally, the other day and this is one of the things she said:
"Because remember that Saturn, your second Saturn return of Saturn Sagittarius, next in two years, Saturn's going to come into Pluto and lots of people where, I think I talked about this, where Saturn hits Capricorn, with Pluto already here, something's going to crash. Something. I mean there's no way this transit's going to happen without something crashing. Stockmarket crashing, jobs failing, I don't know, something's going to crash. And it's going to be up to people like you who have their shit together and who are wise and know how to appropriately use their own power, that's what you're being shown here, to be able to stand up and say listen, we don't need to pour gasoline on this people, ok? Just stand back and let's be part of the rebuild and not the teardown. And then after that you get into Saturn in the latter part of Capricorn and into Aquarius, that's where it hits all this, your Sun, you Moon, your Mercury, your Chiron, I mean your everything, I mean like you're being prepared, this is going to be huge."
Of course she also dropped this little bombshell on me about my trip to Europe this summer:
"May I point something out? I have a feeling that you have some intuition about this trip. I have a feeling that you know that something's coming with this trip, more than just being on this trip. I think there's something waiting for you there. And so just as an astrologer, I'm not telling you what to do, ok, but I just want to point out again, ok? Look at this, Venus in Saturn, what you truly believe about love, trining Uranus and Aries in 7, holy shit, and then Mars coming up on Scorpio and Juno in the 2nd, I mean I have like pins and needles all over talking about that. And that Mars in Juno and Scorpio, trining Neptune and Pisces, that's like magic, it's got magic poured on it, ok? It has magic poured on it Deb. So. And so let me just back you up about something, ok? Stay open. This is not just about getting the airline ticket booked, I mean you can't imagine what's going to happen when you get there. I'm telling you. There's no way you could imagine it. There's no way."
What am I supposed to do with THAT? I'm already packing... and am wide open to anything.
QuoteAnd it's going to be up to people like you who have their shit together and who are wise and know how to appropriately use their own power, that's what you're being shown here, to be able to stand up and say listen, we don't need to pour gasoline on this people, ok? Just stand back and let's be part of the rebuild and not the teardown.
Deb,
This part of what your astrologer has said makes sense to me. I wouldn't say that I "believe" in astrology, but I take it into consideration. My understanding of this prediction for the 211 days is that it will be a time of change and tension. I have not gathered that there is any particular risk in traveling. My wife and I have booked a trip, and have no intention of canceling.
QuoteSenafernando... This question is a bit of a thread drift but I'm wondering if from your cultural perspective you might have an opinion.
Sorry, BethAnne, I am not able to comment except to wish you well in your spiritual journey.
Quite all right. :-) I don't think I'm supposed to know.
Quote from: Deb on March 01, 2016, 08:03:54 PM13-year-old girl from the small town of Watseka, Illinois who became possessed by spirits of the insane dead
I had heard that story before. Reminds me of that show that was on about 5 years ago where a college kid became a ghost hunter and ran into these kind of situations.
Wow! You must be on edge wondering what is going to happen on your trip.
There most definitely is a sense that things are going to flip. Reminds me of that thing about the Chinese character for chaos (or something) is the same as opportunity. I've done Tarot for my own amusement for years and it makes you aware that one situation is very close to a totally different interpretation. I've gotten the Death and Tower card over and over for the last 6 weeks. And it contained both meanings as time goes on.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 02, 2016, 10:52:05 AMQuite all right. :-)
You strike me as a Wise man from a culture in tune with the Flow of Life. I've always wanted to experience the Vibe there.
OK, back to the opposite sex! ;)
'..It is not so much that the male and the female be considered equal as it is that the male and female elements in each person should be released and expressed. Immediately, many of you may be annoyed or alarmed, thinking that of course I mean sexual expression. That is a portion of such expression. But I am speaking of releasing within each individual the great human characteristics and abilities that are often denied expression because they are assigned to the opposite sex'.
The Nature of the Psyche, 1995, p.78
Quote from: Wren on March 02, 2016, 03:42:25 PMOK, back to the opposite sex!
You got my attention..:-)
I've always been interested in the changing fashion. Where now women can wears boys clothes and it is considered sexy. Or the frilly outfits men would wear in the 1600. What is each generation trying to say??
Quote from: BethAnne on March 02, 2016, 01:46:20 PMa culture in tune with the Flow of Life
BethAnne, if I understand you correctly, you seem to be implying that in India and Sri Lanka you get "a culture in tune with the Flow of Life". I am not sure how far this is true. I was brought up a Roman Catholic, but the majority religion in Sri Lanka is Buddhism. It seems to me that Buddhism in Sri Lanka is stuck with what was written down 2000 to 2500 years ago. So rebirth (reincarnation) is understood strictly in terms of karmic consequences. Many people seem to think that the "personality" keeps returning time after time. The idea of "pre-birth planning" seems to be unheard of among Buddhists here. How I understand Seth's teaching is that there is a clear distinction between the "Entity" which exists in non-physical reality, and the "personalities" which the Entity sends down to Earth from time to time with the purpose of learning from earthly existence. It is a pity that orthodox Buddhists seem unwilling even to consider such ideas.
With reference to the opposite sex, there is the terrible practice in India of selectively aborting female fetuses. One of the good things about Sri Lankan Buddhism is that such a practice would never be tolerated here.
Quote from: senafernando on March 02, 2016, 10:51:26 PMIt seems to me that Buddhism in Sri Lanka is stuck with what was written down 2000 to 2500 years ago.
So we are all stuck with the same old stuff??? LOL
Back on topic for a sec.... :)
I think the Seth quote regarding sexual expression is pertinent. Really goes back to our ingrained belief systems about 'sex'.
Just the word 'sex' will spark off thoughts about the physical act in most people. And add the word 'expression' to it and the mind starts racing. How many people who have a strong spiritual leaning crumble once you speak about being born as another sex, in another life? Or can't even get their heads around having both sides of the polarity within them now? Many will agree with the idea, but internally are very uncomfortable with it, as if the identity is fused with the gender.
Beliefs about our everyday roles, and the relationships these have with our particular genders, are even very important. The cliches are endless-
'Be a real man
Its a man's job
Thats a woman's role
Women shouldn't do that...etc'
Much of this stems from worrying too much about what others think about us, and needing to fit into a box accepted by society.
Times are changing, thankfully, and if we can individually break out from what others think of us, then we can focus on how we express our complete selves, we'll pave the way to a society where the next generation can focus on their strengths, regardless of which gender they chose to come into the physical existence with.
LK
I find it quire bizarre that person of one sex will feel so strongly as to get a sex change operation, because they feel they truly are the opposite sex in their mind, or were born the wrong sex.
How strange, I don't know what other purposes this serves, before modern science, there would be no option for a sex change operation. My perspective on it is that we chose our present life, and that we all have lived many lives, in many places as many different races, in different cultures and of course as both male and female many many many times. But we are neither male nor female. We are that which experiences male and female.
The overself, or our essential self then in one view is neither male nor female, but an undivided whole that contains all the characteristics and possibilities for any of our lives.
So while I am not here to hold any sort of prejudice on how anybody expresses themselves, identifying ONLY with the body is to me a case of mistaken identity.
But I don't know what else people are learning or demonstrating by having sex change operations, there is of course much criticism and fear and condemnation of that which we do not understand, especially for people who are gay, transsexual, or have sex change operations etc.
So perhaps part of the reason is to give opportunities for people to move beyond judgement, harassment and fear of that which we do not understand.
The transgender idea is an interesting one. Particularly in children.
Maybe the individual is still relating strongly to another sex, in another life, while on a mass level we are shaking up reality in terms of what we understand as gender experience. Politics, religion and even science is being forced to create in new ways to adapt to the new world views. And the individual is breaking through into their own uniqueness, discarding established patterns, and trailblazing for those to come afterward.
LK
If one becomes aware of a possible past life in which one was a member of the opposite sex, that is one way of overcoming sexual stereotyping. Looking at the "cases of the reincarnation type" from the Indian sub-continent described by Ian Stevenson, it is evident that in the vast majority of cases the current individual is of the same sex as the individual in the previous life. This may be a reflection of the sexual stereotyping prevailing in that culture.
My understanding of Seth's teaching is that an Entity in the non-physical is not restricted to one particular sex. This Entity may "send" personalities of either sex into the Earth realm. An example would be that Jane was a personality derived from the entity Ruburt.
I really enjoyed this BBC series "Tribal Wives" where middle class women go to remote tribes for a month and deal with the cultural difference on marriage and sex. There are two in the series that I most remembered. One was where the young girls/wives asked the English girl about love and how she was treated. They just couldn't imagine anyone not being beat. The other was in the Amazon. One of the widowed warriors wanted to make the English woman his wife. You could tell he was an outstanding person who if brought up in the US would have been a CEO. You got a hint that she saw that in him also. The series really flips our given values.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oj0z3D0iIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oj0z3D0iIc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqGA0xjOms4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqGA0xjOms4).
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One of the best times I ever had was going dancing with my friend Tommy at the Crobar in Chicago where Dennis Rodman would hang out. Tommy had been a dancer there in the day. I was maybe one of 5 gals among hundreds of men. It was very freeing for me because no one was paying me any attention at all. I could dance like crazy. Some of the guys were in drag and were more "female" than any woman I knew or know now.
Dennis Rodman himself stretched those gender roles. Either a man before his time or from another planet.
My guess is alien for Rodman, lol.
Since we're throwing caution to the wind here, and bringing up differing societal customs that define our perceptions for the most part: I remember reading somewhere ions ago the topic of psychological trauma resulting from incest. Incest in our society is a big NO, and I was raised in this society so I buy into it (not to mention the genetic reasons behind it being a big NO). But the thing that stuck in my mind about that discussion was there are some societies where incest is not only permitted, but encouraged. I seem to recall that in these more isolated, primitive societies (African or So. American jungles), there is no trauma resulting from incest because it's commonly accepted.
That has made me look at a lot of things differently since then, always examining my and other's reactions to things and asking myself, "Is that really wrong, is that a truth, or is that a belief based on societal influence?" I have to say that in my view of any experiences over the years, I have switched gears from black and white answers, to nothing but shades of grey. (No, not 50 shades, lol, much more than that.) And no, I haven't read that book.
Quote from: LenKop on March 03, 2016, 07:15:32 PMThe transgender idea is an interesting one. Particularly in children.
You know, it seems like in the past few decades things like bi-, homosexuals, transgenders, have become very in-your-face. I wonder if it's another tool for enlightening the collective consciousness, preparing us for the reality of a non-gender destiny. Just one more way for us to drop judgment based on superficial characteristics and paving the way to accepting people by who they are inside. Although throughout history, there have been other upsurgences of non-traditional sexual roles (the Romans come to mind) and the acceptance seems to wax and wane. I actually remember a time in my life where I didn't identify with being female or male or anything, I was just myself. Puberty put an end to that.
Quote from: Deb on March 04, 2016, 06:59:45 PMPuberty put an end to that.
The great thing about being past all that hormonal stuff is that you get back to that feeling of just being a person. Certainly does not mean one has to be asexual. :)
This series is touching. They put couples across from eachother.....some as a blind date and some who are in a relationship.....and they give them intimate questions to ask each other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgIH81kj78 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sgIH81kj78)
Quote from: senafernando on March 03, 2016, 11:21:33 PMIf one becomes aware of a possible past life in which one was a member of the opposite sex, that is one way of overcoming sexual stereotyping.
I can remember about a dozen past lives...who really knows. In many of them I have been a man. Usually a warrior and all that I remember at this time were involved in social change. This cluster of "lives" are related to each other by their intent.
Sandra AKA Bear and I have both "remembered" lives as elephant type creatures who are the advance intelligence of their planet. She remembers communicating with music as this being. We both have this "thing" for Ganesh. It made us wonder if that is where that God came from?
Quote from: Deb on March 04, 2016, 06:49:02 PM"Is that really wrong, is that a truth, or is that a belief based on societal influence?"
This has really stuck in my mind and am not sure how to feel. Back in the day I was a councilor for a domestic shelter and this issue came up quite a bit. I really don't know if this is "wrong" on a basic level. Usually it seems these situations were based on a predatory level. What if the couple had had a loving past life relationship and there were deep feelings between them? I do believe we reincarnate with those that we have had other relationships with.
I wonder if the sexual freedom in our society is a reflection of evolving or going too far? I really don't know. I have two dateable granddaughters and use them as a gauge. What do I want for them?
Quote from: BethAnne on March 05, 2016, 12:23:53 PMThen there is the situation I'm in with Randy
When you said he was younger than you, I didn't imagine... well good for you! Honestly, more societal influences defining what's acceptable. Right or wrong. How many men your age are dating women half their age or better and no one bats an eye. Or they think silently "he must really be something special." Who's to say what's right or wrong in a relationship other than the people involved? No one else has the right to judge. But they do anyway. Ever see Harold & Maude? One of my favorite movies. Randy is old enough to know what he wants or doesn't want. He's an adult. There are many, many different types of relationships, give and take in many different ways and most people are still stuck on what's traditional.
And yes we learn a lot about ourselves in every relationship we have which is, I think, the point. Honestly, I'm sick up to here with traditional, acceptable anything. There's no growth in that and a life worse than death. At least on the soul level. Buck tradition, follow your heart.
And... wink... you must really be special. ;)
Quote from: BethAnne on March 04, 2016, 10:26:46 PMCertainly does not mean one has to be asexual.
God I hope I never get
there. :o
Quote from: BethAnne on March 05, 2016, 12:23:53 PMI really don't know if this is "wrong" on a basic level. Usually it seems these situations were based on a predatory level.
Reading Seth's stuff about how we make our own reality and make our own dramas, for our own purposes, has really made me look twice at things like that. I mean, I am living in this reality where some things are acceptable and some things are not, and grew up with those standards. But then you throw in that "making your own reality" idea and that really confuses the issues for me. It makes me question my own beliefs over and over again. What's real? What's not real? Do we step into situations we've been taught are wrong in order to correct them, prevent damage? Do we have the right to barge into someone else's play? And if we do so, does that mean we were meant to take part in it from the get-go? It makes my head spin sometimes.
More importantly, is it too early for a glass of wine?
Quote from: BethAnne on March 06, 2016, 10:55:18 AMI think the main reason I brought up Randy was more to do with how women are viewed. Why is it ok for Shaun Connery to be paired up with a much younger actress but it's "granny porn" if in reverse? Why does Hillary Clinton have to deal with her sexuality/fashion mixed up in politics when no one else does? What is the potential of "older" women? What has convinced us to let go of our sexuality after 40?
Exactly. What is that all about?
Why women? Why not men?
I understand that nature is all about reproduction and women have limited reproductive lives while men are not so limited, and have read studies where the attractiveness of women is based on their reproductive potential (based on physical charactertistics) ... but surely we've advanced enough that reproduction is not the only valued qualifier? I mean, really, that seems so single-cell, Petri-dish, one-dimensional to me. So backwards. God I hate double standards.
IDK, maybe we're still stuck in the past.
One of my favorite movies lines is from Blade Runner, where Daryl Hannah aka Pris says, "Well then we're stupid and we'll die" which plays often in my head. That was a profound statement. Sadly true.
Quote from: Deb on March 07, 2016, 03:07:01 AM"Well then we're stupid and we'll die"
I would guess that the majority of people live their lives unthinking. I've become such a hermit to hide away from all of that, but I think that is not the answer either.
A lot of this distortion about women goes directly to the early Catholic Church. How powerful are women that "they" have to create a whole religion to stop us? LOL
Not that life is better without men. Being single all this time....35 years...it's been like a cart with only one wheel going around in circles.
Speaking of Hillary...it's about time someone brought some "womanly values" to politics. My girlfriend Margo will always vote for her as they were friends in High School and was impressed with Hillary always working on projects that helped people in need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kjto_usg0M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kjto_usg0M)
Quote from: senafernando on March 03, 2016, 11:21:33 PM
My understanding of Seth's teaching is that an Entity in the non-physical is not restricted to one particular sex. This Entity may "send" personalities of either sex into the Earth realm. An example would be that Jane was a personality derived from the entity Ruburt.
That's my understanding too, I've always assumed that the Entity is neutral, without gender. I know of two other lives of my Entity, one male and one female. I know various details about their lives, including how one died.
All this reminds me of something that happened about 20 years ago. I used to have short hair, not shaven, but very short and layered at the back of the head. I was doing a workshop, on crystals I think it was, and one woman started to question my sense of femininity - simply because I had short hair and wore trousers! She knew nothing about me, she had never seen me before. Maybe these days I would take issue with her probing. Was she trying to see if I was gay? Or sexually confused? What did my appearance have to do with my experiences with the crystals?!
I think most people are Lazy Thinkers and try to put new people/experiences in a familiar box so they feel comfortable dealing with something they think they "know".
Were you ok with that??
Quote from: BethAnne on March 07, 2016, 04:42:56 PM
I think most people are Lazy Thinkers and try to put new people/experiences in a familiar box so they feel comfortable dealing with something they think they "know".
Were you ok with that??
Our education systems pretty much all but guarantee lazy thinking.
Quote from: Wren on March 07, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
That's my understanding too, I've always assumed that the Entity is neutral, without gender. I know of two other lives of my Entity, one male and one female. I know various details about their lives, including how one died.
All this reminds me of something that happened about 20 years ago. I used to have short hair, not shaven, but very short and layered at the back of the head. I was doing a workshop, on crystals I think it was, and one woman started to question my sense of femininity - simply because I had short hair and wore trousers! She knew nothing about me, she had never seen me before. Maybe these days I would take issue with her probing. Was she trying to see if I was gay? Or sexually confused? What did my appearance have to do with my experiences with the crystals?!
It seems to me that one of the "lessons" for which we are sent to the earthly realm to learn is that the domination of one sex over the other is inconsistent with spiritual development. Learning this lesson usually involves rejecting organized religion, in which male domination is a fundamental principle.
As Jane wrote: "Where my poetry goes, I follow - so as I've written elsewhere, it was goodbye to the Catholic Church and as far as I was concerned to conventional Christianity as well." As quoted in this article:
http://realtalkworld.com/2007/09/26/healing-meditation-surprise/ (http://realtalkworld.com/2007/09/26/healing-meditation-surprise/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FjbCTa_MCM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FjbCTa_MCM)
Astute young lady there. Thanks for posting it BethAnne!
This issue has also been popping up in the UK:
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/22/gendered-toys-stereotypes-boy-girl-segregation-equality (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/apr/22/gendered-toys-stereotypes-boy-girl-segregation-equality)
It amazes me that issues that I thought were settled back when my kids were little are popping up again. And the hate on the net for feminists??
The term Rule of Thumb comes from the rule that you could beat your wife if the rod was smaller than your thumb.
And then there is this....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq3nQsMWROw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq3nQsMWROw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKM6__MD3z4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKM6__MD3z4)
Quote from: BethAnne on March 08, 2016, 05:32:04 PMAnd then there is this....
My. Little. Pony.
Wow. I'll match your bet and raise you one. It's kind of hard to judge ANYONE while there are so many shades of "normal" in this world. Some people incarnate to grow spiritually. Some just come to play.
https://youtu.be/o2Bm_wiRT24
https://youtu.be/VXFM2AyUA_M
Quote from: Wren on March 08, 2016, 04:47:22 PMThis issue has also been popping up in the UK:
What a great, thorough article. It's something that's been coming up in the US lately. Jeez no wonder we all have to work on our beliefs, the stuff that gets drummed into kids' heads since birth is disturbing.
I thought this was pretty astute:
"One obvious reason for the triumph of pink and blue is that segmenting the toy market brings greater profits by making it harder for parents to pass down items between siblings of a different sex. If your daughter has a pink bike with streamers on the handlebars, and those elements are understood as distinctly feminine, then you're far less likely to hand it on to your son. Instead, you'll probably buy another."
Capitalism at it's finest!
I should probably start a new topic/thread I feel is slightly related to this one: beauty standards for women. When I was watching a couple of YouTube videos tonight I came across quite a few on women who have had loads of plastic surgery to make themselves look like Barbie (nope, there isn't just one). There don't seem to be such pervasive standards directed towards men. I'd love to get to the bottom of that—why women?
It's hard to imagine the plastic surgeons actually will do what they've done to these women. One had 6 ribs removed so she could get her waistline down to 14". Sad.
https://youtu.be/zZnyaySBDrY
I fold. ;D
I truly do respect an individual's need/right to express themselves how ever they wish. Hell, I grew up in the 60's.
Now I do not mean disrespect with this video at all. Horses. Eagles. I understand that the motivation is NOT the same. I wonder tho, what dressing up as a horse satisfies her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGShKmSx5Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdGShKmSx5Q)
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Quote from: BethAnne on March 09, 2016, 12:20:38 PMNow I do not mean disrespect with this video at all. Horses. Eagles.
Yes, entirely different things.
With the NAs (not them exclusively), there is a reverence and symbolism with dressing like animals, steeped in tradition, respect, ceremony. The Pony Play girl? Not sure where that comes from. I can say when I was about 4 or 5 (I've been a horse lover since birth, horse lovers are stable people, lol), my friend and I used to stuff weeping willow branches down our pants, pretending we were horses and they were our tails. But at that age, brain wave levels are near hypnotic state and the lines between reality and imagination are delightfully fine. And we grew out of it. But maybe Pony Girl saw an image of a magnificent horse when she was a child and in that vulnerable mental state, something stuck. IDK, I'd love to know more about all the people on the My Weird Obsession show, what that's all about. Watching pony girl my first thought was: wow, that bit must be doing a number on her teeth. The second was, when I had my horse I bought him a bit-less bridle because he hated having a bit in his mouth. (Story here: Gallop Intentionally (http://theherbanfarmer.com/gallop-intentionally-2/)) The headstall/bit she had was not cheap and pretty heavy duty.
I picked up The Early Sessions Book 1 the other day and made a nice dent in it. I've started highlighting text for a new topic on Seth's sense of humor (love that) and some interesting things about the relationship between the entity (or over soul) and it's splinter personalities. One of the questions Rob asked was do people incarnate as animals (that would have been a guess for me with Pony Girl), but Seth said not directly. So... to each his own. And a mystery to me.
(http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2013/12/02/20/3DecBrainGraphic.jpg)
One of the questions Rob asked was do people incarnate as animals (that would have been a guess for me with Pony Girl), but Seth said not directly. So... to each his own. And a mystery to me.
I just watched a Bashar video that our pets are given an opportunity to evolve into humans when we interact with them and help them develop a personality. I'm sure you have had horses who "communicated" with you. :) Maybe Pony Girl was a horse right before this??
Quote from: Deb on March 08, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
I should probably start a new topic/thread I feel is slightly related to this one: beauty standards for women. When I was watching a couple of YouTube videos tonight I came across quite a few on women who have had loads of plastic surgery to make themselves look like Barbie (nope, there isn't just one). There don't seem to be such pervasive standards directed towards men. I'd love to get to the bottom of that—why women?
It's hard to imagine the plastic surgeons actually will do what they've done to these women. One had 6 ribs removed so she could get her waistline down to 14". Sad.
https://youtu.be/zZnyaySBDrY
The extreme surgery crowd to me seems to be a mental disorder.
I don't know any man that finds that freakish barbie lady the least bit attractive.
To me it's also unethical for people to perform unnecessary plastic surgery to enable someone's mental illness.
To me it's also unethical
Exactly, but there is always someone willing to do the unethical for $$$ abundance.
:)
Quote from: BethAnne on March 10, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
To me it's also unethical
Exactly, but there is always someone willing to do the unethical for $$$ abundance.
:)
Maxwell Maltz was a plastic surgeon who found that people with self image issues were still all!fucked up after the surgery. That had not healed the psychic scars.
He went on to publish a book called Psycho-Cybernetics that recommends the same exercises you will find in the Seth material.
I used both methods, I used to feel terribly ashamed about my body.
Once I resolved those psychic scars I never had those sorts of issues again.
It saddens me to see people trying to fix themselves but utterly falsifying their personal reality with erroneous methods that leave them more miserable.
Try suggesting to someone that their own mind is their best medicine and people will think you are willy wonka on acid.
So is a naked Kim K empowering women as she says?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gjTXGRfE8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5gjTXGRfE8)
I have no idea.
The vapid shallow and pointless antics of the world's most annoying celebrity make it hard for me to see her as spirit or God.
Now if I am God for day, I would make it so that I forgot forever anything to do with Kim k. Buttt then that is not very loving nor inclusive is it.
Oh what a moral dilemma.
I'll have to be content with my books whenever my girlfriend watches those stupid stupid shows!
Quote from: BethAnne on March 10, 2016, 12:41:42 PMSo is a naked Kim K empowering women as she says?
Whaaaatttttt? Too many people lying to themselves. Working out their own dramas and escalating need for constant attention (as they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity [except your own obituary]). Trying to convince themselves that whatever the hell they're doing is for the common good. How noble.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 10, 2016, 01:44:29 PMNot to brag, but I'm very good at giving readings.
Some day you'll have to read me. I've never put much faith into cards, astrology, etc. but recently and on the recommendation of a trusted friend I had my chart read and it was so spot-on that I still can't believe it. I have always felt, however, that people who do readings like this are very intuitive, tapped in, so have not completely discounted the tools they use.
Some day you'll have to read me.
I would LOVE to! :)
I start out by having the person ask "What do I need to know? What does God want me to know?" And have them pull three cards. Often the whole thing takes 10 min and they are blown away.
The cards never lie....but not everyone can interpret. The cards after thousands of years are an archetype. Anything that is so focused upon by so many for so many years "holds" energy.
Seth had rather a lot to say about sexuality, both in reincarnational terms and in terms of gender identity within a given life. Here are a few excerpts from my files on reincarnation and sexuality (I apologize for the length of this post - skip it unless you're highly interested):
Seth:
An excess of male lives will turn a personality sour in a feminine manner, without the inner understanding and compassion that is usually associated with the female sex. In like manner consistent female personalities will turn harsh without the inner strength usually associated with the male sex. For this reason most entities live lives as male and female.
Sex, regardless of all your fleshy tales, is a psychic phenomenon, merely certain qualities which you called male and female. The qualities however are real, and permeate other planes as well as your own. They are opposites which are nevertheless complementary and which merge into one. When I say as I have that the overall entity is neither male or female, and yet refer to various entities such as Joseph and Ruburt, which are definitely male names, I merely mean that in the overall essence the entity refers or identifies itself more with male characteristics, or so-called male characteristics, than with the female.
The seeming dominance of the male in earthkind is merely because the aggressiveness of male personalities makes itself known quicker, and often with a vehemence. The basis however is very strongly female, since without the giving quality the aggressiveness would be but a stationary closed fist, incapable of motion and incapable of unfolding into other lives, as it must. The aggressiveness is a thrust for life and action against inertia, but without the acquiescence of the female quality, life would not open.
- SESSION 12, JANUARY 2, 1964
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However as you have probably supposed by now, change of sex and race is the usual as far as continuing existences on your plane are concerned.
As a rule each entity is born so that he experiences at least three roles, that of mother, father and child. I make three roles rather than two because a complete childhood, for example at least once, is usually necessary so that a personality can experience the knowledge of human growth.
-Session 23
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You are not only male or female as you know, but both, with one temporarily predominating. Almost (underlined) without exception, there are male and female lives either in your past or future.
- SESSION 291, OCTOBER 5, 1966
Far be it from me to give either Ruburt or yourself swelled heads, but in your cases we see the male and female aspects well-balanced, one of the reasons why this is your last incarnation. These elements are highly unstable and each personality works them out.
You have the impulse to think of the male as disciplined, yet the raw male elements are unthinkingly aggressive, and the raw female elements are indiscriminately creative.
- SESSION 441, OCTOBER 9, 1968, ES9, pp. 104 – 106
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Physically speaking, you would have no males or females unless first you had individuals. You are each individuals first of all, then. After this, you are individuals of a specific sex, biologically speaking.
You have categorized human abilities so that it seems that you are men or women, or women and men primarily, and persons secondarily. Your personhood exists first, however. Your individuality gives meaning to your sex, and not the other way around.
- SESSION 765, FEBRUARY 2, 1976 9:23 PM MONDAY
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You stress the importance of sexual identification, for it seems to you that a young child must know that it will grow up to be a man or woman, in the most precise of terms — (louder) toeing the line in the least particular.
The slightest deviation is looked upon with dismay, so that personal identity and worth are completely tied into identification with femaleness or maleness. Completely different characteristics, abilities, and performances are expected from those in each category. A male who does not feel himself fully male, therefore, does not trust his identity as a person. A woman doubtful of her complete femininity in the same manner does not trust the integrity of her personhood.
A lesbian or homosexual is on very shifting psychological ground, because the same interests and abilities that they feel most personally theirs are precisely those that mark them as sexual eccentrics.
These are simple enough examples, but the man who possesses interests considered feminine by your culture, who naturally wants to enter fields of interest considered womanly, experiences drastic conflicts between his sense of personhood and identity — and his sexuality as it is culturally defined. The same, of course, applies to women.
What you think of as lesbian or homosexual activity is quite natural sexual expression, biologically and psychologically. In more "ideal" environments such activity would flourish to some extent, particularly before and after prime reproductive years.
Lesbianism and homosexuality, as they are currently experienced, also represent exaggerated versions of natural inclinations, even as your experienced version of heterosexuality is exaggerated.
SESSION 768, MARCH 22, 1976
9:43 P.M. MONDAY
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The love and cooperation that forms the basis of all life, however, shows itself in many ways. Sexuality represents one aspect, and an important one. In larger terms, it is as natural for a man to love a man, and for a woman to love a woman, as it is to show love for the opposite sex. For that matter, it is more natural to be bisexual. Such is the "natural" nature of the species.
Now: Heterosexual love is one important expression of bisexuality, and sexually represents the reproductive abilities. Heterosexuality, however, rests upon the bisexual basis, and (intently) without man's bisexual nature, the larger frameworks of the family — the clan, tribe, government, civilization — would be impossible.
Basically, then, man's inherent bisexuality provides the basis for the cooperation that makes physical survival, and any kind of cultural interaction, possible.
Tendencies toward lesbianism or homosexuality in children are quite natural. They are so feared, however, that often just-as-natural leanings toward heterosexuality are blocked. Instead, the young person is stereotyped.
I am not saying that lesbianism and homosexuality are merely stages leading to heterosexuality. I am saying that lesbianism, homo¬sexuality, and heterosexuality are valid expressions of man's bisexual nature.
I am also stressing the fact that love and sexuality are not necessarily the same thing. Sex is love's expression, but it is only one of love's expressions. Sometimes it is quite "natural" to express love in another way. Because of the connotations of the word "sex," however, it may seem to some of you that I am advocating a promiscuous sexual relationship with "no holes barred" (smile). You may delete that.
The great human qualities of love, strength, compassion, intellect and imagination do not belong to one sex or the other.
(11:13.) Only an understanding of this inherent bisexual nature will release those qualities in each individual, regardless of sex.
SESSION 769, MARCH 29, 1976
While I'd love to some travel eventually, part of the reason it is not really important to me is whenever I read some history about a particular country or region of the world I can feel that I've already been there, several times.
Lately I've been intentionally trying to recall some more nastier personalities. Focusing on the only the nicer ones seems a bit one sided.
I started picking up some weird numbers one day during a light alpha state as I lay on my bed.
I felt like writing down the numbers on a bit of paper, so I did. Then I started writing them in different sequences, and adding them together, seeing if any patterns had a feeling to them. Some of the numbers related to my birthdate.
Anyhow, I came up a number, sort a reference to a year/period, then out of the blue I got the feeling of some type of Spanish Monk. Not the nice ones. Like when the Spanish invaded Mexico and just started destroying the people and their culture.
I even found a reference to a specific personality who wrote a book about the "savages" and how he was personally responsible for destroying many religious and totem-istic objects and information that was part of the culture. Which also included ritual human sacrifice of course.
Anyhow, I don't know if I am related to this unpleasant fellow, or just started picking up on his world view, but he was a righteous bastard, who was genuinely religious but also just doing his job in way - like many of the religious zealous types are - he believed 100% in what he was doing was actually good for the people whose lives were affected by him.
Quote from: James on March 12, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
The seeming dominance of the male in earthkind is merely because the aggressiveness of male personalities makes itself known quicker, and often with a vehemence.
I've often wondered about male dominance in most cultures and why this is so.
Seth's words on personhood ring so true. I'm aware that some of my mental characteristics would normally be perceived as 'male' and I lack certain female preoccupations (families, children), yet these are balanced with other 'female' things. Most of the time I think of myself as a person, and then a female. I don't know how common this is.
Quote from: Deb on March 11, 2016, 12:11:52 PM
Quote from: BethAnne on March 10, 2016, 12:41:42 PMSo is a naked Kim K empowering women as she says?
Whaaaatttttt? Too many people lying to themselves. Working out their own dramas and escalating need for constant attention (as they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity [except your own obituary]). Trying to convince themselves that whatever the hell they're doing is for the common good. How noble.
'Except your own obituary' ;D
Anyhow, I don't know if I am related to this unpleasant fellow, or just started picking up on his world view, but he was a righteous bastard, who was genuinely religious but also just doing his job in way - like many of the religious zealous types are - he believed 100% in what he was doing was actually good for the people whose lives were affected by him.
I've picked up on a life as an Inquisitor and felt that "duty to God". I realized I learned a lot from that and it made me more understanding to fundamentalism whether political or religious. I can "remember" standing outside the dungeon waiting for the prisoner to comprehend God and gain salvation. Instead, I was shaken to the core at how I was responsible for this persons destruction. I feel I've met several of my "victims" in this life who hated me on sight.
I feel balanced as a person and see myself fairly well without a sexual filter...but I'm usually the most "male" and the most "female" person in the room. So it's probably no wonder I find this guy very sexy. :D
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Quote from: BethAnne on March 13, 2016, 11:50:18 AMI feel balanced as a person and see myself fairly well without a sexual filter...
Ya know, I'm so sick and tired of gender roles. I just do what I need to do, when I need to do it. I'm 100% female (at least in this incarnation) but not according to modern standards. I'm 100% attracted to men. But I am not defenseless or helpless (same thing). I am dexterous, handy, independent, mechanically inclined. But also nurturing, a healer, loving, soft and tuned into what other people need. Sexy is always changing for me. The best I can come up with is "smart is sexy" and then beyond that is fair game.
Quote from: Wren on March 13, 2016, 09:10:34 AMI've often wondered about male dominance in most cultures and why this is so.
You know what? Me too. I know there were cultures in the past (Egypt first comes to mind) where women were respected and revered. I'm totally female, but never have been a girly girl. Not into pink, designer anything and don't fuss when I break a nail. I've always just been just—me. A human first, always rising to the occasion, whatever it is. I remember being young enough to not be gender conscious. I imagine it's more common than admitted, too many people buy unwittingly into the commercialized version of how we are supposed to be. Just recently I've had a couple of friend/acquaintances tell me that all they've EVER wanted in their lives was to be a wife and mother. I was stunned/shocked/horrified, because that had never occurred to me.
I do have a son. I never wanted to be a mother (when I was a child I learned about the child birth process and it totally scared me off, not to mention that I never felt I had what it took to be a proper parent), but there came a day when the hormones overtook me and I changed my mind. I love my son more than I could ever imagine love, and have never regretted my decision. Well, maybe a little bit when times got rougher than any normal human could withstand. But yes, I also think of myself first as a person/human, and then as a female. You are not alone. It's just that you will rarely hear that. Just assume it.
This is why men are confused and women are crazy!
;D
(http://www.maniacworld.com/with-and-without-makeup.jpg)
Two of the most beautiful women of the world.
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Would you recognize these gals without make up?
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"What is it that makes an older woman sexy?
First of all, it's how a woman inhabits her body. No matter the size or shape — is it her temple? Does she treasure it? Is she proud of it? Does she own it? A woman who owns her body, is just damn sexy..."
http://ourreinventiongeneration.com/2729/what-makes-an-older-woman-sexy/#.VvHtnSPnbIU (http://ourreinventiongeneration.com/2729/what-makes-an-older-woman-sexy/#.VvHtnSPnbIU)
5 Things Young Men Find Sexy about Older Women
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/5-things-young-men-find-sexy-about-older-women.html (http://www.care2.com/greenliving/5-things-young-men-find-sexy-about-older-women.html)
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I've always found women (at whatever age) more attractive without make up. Make up actually turns me off. If people want to wear it, I don't give a shit one way or another, as long as I don't have to wear it's something I even really think about. But there are so many ridiculous social pressures on women to conform, far more than for men when it comes to grooming etc.
Nothing wrong with good hygiene, or dressing up, looking nice or whatever. But people should do something because they choose to, not out of conformity.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 22, 2016, 08:09:38 PMThis is why men are confused and women are crazy!
No kidding, I've seen those types of photos before, with and without makeup. And then there's Photoshop to fix whatever can't be fixed with paint. Women are so burdened with the standards our society has put on us as far as our outward appearance goes. Not fair! And no relief in sight as far as I can tell.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 22, 2016, 08:31:55 PM"What is it that makes an older woman sexy?
First of all, it's how a woman inhabits her body. No matter the size or shape — is it her temple? Does she treasure it? Is she proud of it? Does she own it? A woman who owns her body, is just damn sexy..."
I have a friend who is almost 50. She's very attractive, sexy, dresses on the showy/revealing side, walks like she's entering a stage. When we get together I become invisible, but I enjoy watching people react to her. It's not my style so I find it educational and entertaining. She's been dating a 35 year old man for a couple of years and younger men tend to be attracted to her. [Truthfully, all of them do.] Not too long ago she said she was done with younger men, but then this last time we got together she mentioned a 20-something guy who is in her life right now. ;) So these photos and links were good timing!
I guess it all depends on what a person is looking for (http://www.care2.com/greenliving/5-things-young-men-find-sexy-about-older-women.html#ixzz43kFs9sS7):
"These men are open to relationships, they just don't want that long-term commitment and family responsibility. So you offer him a great opportunity for companionship and romance without the pressure of wanting to get married."
"You don't mind a little romantic distraction and feel flattered and enlivened by a younger man's attention. Yet, you recognize that your relationship is not as likely to last long-term."
All is fair...
GREAT new photo Deb! You got it going on!
;D
Most of the guys I've dated have been younger than me. It worked for me because I had so much else going on I didn't want a commitment. I wasn't looking for a New Daddy for my kids and the occasional date was kept private from them for the most part. Because commitment/long term wasn't factored in other reasons for hanging out were explored. While I can dress up my style is GirlyGirl TomBoy.
This is just my opinion but if you have to bob your tits in someone's face to get their attention you are lowering the bar no matter what your age. I believe it is time to redefine/rediscover women. To me confidence, intelligence, kindness, attitude, power and a touch of vunerability is sexy no matter age or gender.
Mimi Kirk is 71+ and promotes a vegan lifestyle. Annette Larkin is 70 year old bodybuilder
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Quote from: BethAnne on March 23, 2016, 12:40:04 PMGREAT new photo Deb! You got it going on!
That was me in Sarasota (my old stomping ground) in August, my happy place. Quite a bit different than today! I felt the need to mix it up, me on Joe the horse will probably reappear when the weather gets better.
Quote from: BethAnne on March 23, 2016, 12:40:04 PMThis is just my opinion but if you have to bob your tits in someone's face to get their attention you are lowering the bar no matter what your age.
Some women have learned what works, I guess. For attention, lots of it. Or learned to use the tools given to them, lol. :o
Hey, are you getting any of this snow down there? This is my back yard, that's a 6' fence. The other photo: there's a chicken coop under there somewhere. Trying to get the courage to check their water supply. It's still coming down, no signs of stopping. It's so windy that every window on my house, N S E or W, is caked with snow. And it was 73° yesterday. Springtime in the Rockies, yee hah!
Hey, I just noticed this thread has been read 666 times.
I find the mass waves of social acceptance very interesting, and it's quite evident throughout history in terms of gender roles.
If we look at the stage for one, in Shakespearan times men would play female parts, make-up and all. To the classical portraits in times where women who, by todays standards would be considered overweight, but at the time the skinnier we were the more poorer we were considered.
I also think men need to find their way in this modern age too.
We have no right of passage. At the least, when a girl turns a certain age, there is an obvious change physically, with the monthly cycle beginning. Boys changes are more subtle. And also our roles as breadwinners, having changed so much, with females in the workforce, I think men need to open themselves up and look within in order to adjust in the current paradigm.
LK
Most of the men (or Manchildren) from my generation (I was born in 1980) had fathers who were never around, and most of my friends and I growing up had divorced parents.
So many men of my generation simply did not have strong male role models in their lives. If you don't have a role model, you don't have something to imprint on.
That's the natural order of things. It's not like a young kid can go "Alright, my father isn't around, get me some Rocky movies, I need a role model here".
Deb...I used to live in St. Pete. What I would give to be on the ocean right now!
I don't have a TV so didn't realize what was going on up in Denver! (Or Brussels for that matter) OMG!! No snow but chilly wind.
LenKop...what a thoughtful post! I totally agree about men not having a right of passage. Having raised 2 sons, one 32 and the other 42, they have been very confused people. I don't know what it would take in our society for that to change.
If you have any other thoughts on this please post.
:)
John...your post came in as I was typing. Made my heart swoon as I'm sure that was what was going on with my sons. They are very in touch with their feminine side but the older son pushed against that by being pretty macho, which is now not working for him. Both of my guys are great parents though and seem to be healing as they raise their sons.
Yeah I can say that I was overly-feminine and under developed in the masculine as I grew up.
I have to also wonder how much of that is natural for me though, as I'm more intuitive that most other men I have met.
In my twenties I did some stuff like martial arts, strength training and working in a blokey factory environment where I got to be around "real men" , you know like your John Wayne types and for me that was healthy.
Ironically now I get told by people "he's so manly" etc, but it wasn't always that way. It really took a lot of work to balance out the polarities of masculine /feminine in my psyche. Readings works of Carl Jung helped a lot, as he gives a model for this sort of stuff. Numerous times I've had gay men tell me they find me attractive, and that sort of thing has never bothered me, I mean it's flattering and all - but I do wonder if is that being in touch with both the masculine and feminine in me that people are attracted to?
I really don't know. I can also be irrational and angry and somewhat bi-polar when I don't exercise and meditate, which makes it very difficult for people to be around me in those times. I think that goes along with that creative thing, you know the cliche of the crazy artists. From my perspective it's like I'm plugged in to the material world about 60%, and 40% to the non-material world of ideas, or Framework 2 if you prefer.
What keeps me from getting overloaded and exploding is meditation. Otherwise it's like running too much voltage through my body, just too much energy and information.
Like a computer that is always connected to the internet, ideas and information come to me whether I want them to or not. And it can be overwhelming. Which is why I write and do other stuff just to let some of the damned ideas out of my head, to give me some peace!
If I was not a voracious reader, I think I would still be quite lost, as I get most (practical) ideas when reading, and then try them out in my mind first, and then in the actual world.
I've had similar conversations with my younger son who is an artist. Gay guys hit on him all the time while the older son is finally getting out of his face cars/fast women phase.
Do any of you guys see this time of being raised mostly by women as a cultural balancing? Fathers in the 50s were about as animated as an end table. I was aware as a kid that my father was unusually egalitarian, but still I think he felt uncomfortable interacting with his children. It was unheard of for fathers (in general) to do women's work and kids were in the Mom Box. Now my younger son and daughter try to live the "Father Knows Best" lifestyle to compensate for their father being 90% gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O-k0E4hbSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O-k0E4hbSU)
This is a sweet series.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vKfQiIPDqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vKfQiIPDqg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_steZWqrY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_steZWqrY8)
Joe Rogan talks Man Stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHyep0OROGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHyep0OROGA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMSNpemTE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fMSNpemTE0)
Rain Dove....Androgynous Model
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OjORIai1k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5OjORIai1k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfkep3lI0Ig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfkep3lI0Ig)
Thanks for all the videos Beth Ann! I've watched the androgynous ones, very interesting stuff. Mind bending. And why not? There are so many different types of people in the world, each one unique and valid in their own way. Power to them for having the strength to be themselves and not cave to convention.
Open the mind, open the heart. No judging.