On another forum somebody mentioned that flat-Earth science is wrong but not stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8DQSM-b2cc
I've never given any attention to the subject, so I watched the video that critically explained some of the weaknesses of the theory.
One point that attracted my attention was about your obtaining all the information through your senses (obviously no discussion about inner-senses), both through observation, but also through getting informed about others' observations and theories, and how much you have to trust those. Obviously the presenter trusts science, and she didn't mention anything about the history of supporting "scientific facts" that later were proven wrong (I have a problem with induction being considered science).
So I tried a few searches through the Seth material, for example: https://nowdictation.com/q/flat+earth/
From there I read two interesting sessions:
# 886 and #903 (grids of perception)
I recommend them.
I enjoy watching these:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9Jb5Ajw2P64i/
And his new channel with updated info:
https://youtube.com/channel/UCRo3Cs2laaMWu5V5uRqWnEQ/videos
Ask a pilot or engineers of roadways, railways, and rivers if they include a curvature of earth in their constructions or flying planes. Also ships. They dont account for any curve to sail!
None of them do. Curious to me nonetheless.
I enjoy this immensely atm.
Ive also had dreams about it. Never had an obe of a globe floating and hurling through "space". Not once. Its always been more like these presentations.
The mere fact that no one is allowed to explore the "ice shelf" is curious also.
I say an astral travel project is in order lol
Thanks for starting this thread!
Ive also found some highly curious data in the Seth material that made me go "hmmmm?" as well. In regards to this topic.
Mark posted the following: (https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=22227)
From Sess 604:
"In some respects the over enthusiastic use of the sound was responsible for the flood mentioned in the Bible, and other literature. It was for this reason that many attempts were made to warn against the impending disaster. The use of sound was important at various times in irrigating dry areas, quite literally by pulling water from a distance.
(11:22) "There were several characteristics that proved difficult, however. Literally, the sound traveled further often than was intended,
This would explain the mud floods we are seeing evidence of world wide in the videos I like to watch.
It would also explain the melting bricks especially in a domino effect : "causing consequences not planned upon...."
Im just taking a gander....:)
I posted some pics in a misc section found here: https://speakingofseth.com/index.php?msg=21774
And of course the bible states somewhere in it that earth is pressed down upon like a seal. You know the kind that you close an envelope with wax and press down on it. Haha idk Im just thinkin....hahahahha
I have also investigated the flight patterns of our airplanes. THEY MAKE NO SENSE ON A BALL
but they do on a pressed down like a seal "Earth".
LOL
Furthermore, it (the dome) would explain why we cant leave for space travel.
"The Fence"
Ah yes the fence I "dreamed" about where all the children of us that have now gone on, have had a hand in creating this fence out of pure love. I dont mean children like your daughters and sons or humans, I am talking about you giving birth to yourself from "you are deader now than ever" and are born a living god in spirit.... type of thing.
Just pondering
None of my wonderings are set in stone of course. Just merely thinkin from a different view point than I usually do.
I watched someones documentary they put together called "when the buildings cried". Thats some pretty interesting stuff there!
Hmmmmm
And of course the bible states somewhere in it that earth is pressed down upon like a seal. You know the kind that you close an envelope with wax and press down on it. Haha idk Im just thinkin....hahahahha
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Just how could I take the bible in that context seriously? Or for that matter in any other context. Well maybe I'm having too many prejudices after growing up with quotes of this book hovering over me 😉
It seems the "seal" quote from the Hebrew bible (Job 38:14 ) doesn't point to the Earth being flat, but to God's imprinting landforms on the Earth's surface, similarly to the imprinting a seal makes on clay or wax.
"It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
https://biblehub.com/job/38-14.htm#commentary
Quote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 01:11:47 AMIt seems the "seal" quote from the Hebrew bible (Job 38:14 ) doesn't point to the Earth being flat, but to God's imprinting landforms on the Earth's surface, similarly to the imprinting a seal makes on clay or wax.
"It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
https://biblehub.com/job/38-14.htm#commentary
I've watched videos on YT about the flat earth theory and read stuff about it. Interesting though. Some arguments sounding very realistic. But I have not the background to make some serious conclusions so it's just like : aha, interesting...
Well I can't make the bridge between the bible and the Seth material. The "God did make this and that" and "you are a part of ALL THAT IS and create (to some extent) your own reality....
Or : the bible is just another history book cleverly formed an manufactured to " leed the dumb sheep" in a direction wanted by the secret societies for whatever reasons.
The videos on YT from LHFE are nice but of no consequence for me and are indeed colliding with some of my beliefs. Especially ofc with these about "God"....
Some years ago I came upon David Icke who teaches the reptilian descendants. Interesting too above all bc I think the leader of the EZB (European Central Bank) Christine Lagarde looks just like it 😉. Not to mention his primary target, the monarchy of the UK.
The Seth material hit home in so many ways for me and it did have impact and consequences on my life. Which none of the others did.
Maybe I'm mistaken and missing something.🤔
Quote from: Doro on April 23, 2022, 01:54:41 AMQuote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 01:11:47 AM...
I've watched videos on YT about the flat earth theory and read stuff about it. Interesting though. Some arguments sounding very realistic. But I have not the background to make some serious conclusions so it's just like : aha, interesting...
Well I can't make the bridge between the bible and the Seth material. The "God did make this and that" and "you are a part of ALL THAT IS and create (to some extent) your own reality....
Or : the bible is just another history book cleverly formed an manufactured to " leed the dumb sheep" in a direction wanted by the secret societies for whatever reasons.
The videos on YT from LHFE are nice but of no consequence for me and are indeed colliding with some of my beliefs. Especially ofc with these about "God"....
Some years ago I came upon David Icke who teaches the reptilian descendants. Interesting too above all bc I think the leader of the EZB (European Central Bank) Christine Lagarde looks just like it 😉. Not to mention his primary target, the monarchy of the UK.
The Seth material hit home in so many ways for me and it did have impact and consequences on my life. Which none of the others did.
Maybe I'm mistaken and missing something.🤔
My contention is that most religious dogmas are rooted in altered states of consciousness glimpses of the wider-reality. Those glimpses were distortions inherently caused by the beliefs of those who had those experiences. Then each copy, translation, interpretation added to the distortion, as we add our distortions when we read them.
I think that most (all) dogmas, gurus' teachings, channelings, and such are conduits that can be used to our tapping our individual inner-source of knowledge and guidance. They are valuable, but aren't meant to be taken ad litteram, the Seth material included.
The "recession" and the "alternative healing", from the book discussed a couple of days ago, were good examples of what I mean: you can get legitimate knowledge from a book and author that promote a misunderstanding. You just have to approach it intuitively, and to leave aside your own beliefs and expectations.
The more you do it, the more you open the knowledge and guidance channel.
[The "recession" and the "alternative healing", from the book discussed a couple of days ago, were good examples of what I mean: you can get legitimate knowledge from a book and author that promote a misunderstanding. You just have to approach it intuitively, and to leave aside your own beliefs and expectations.
The more you do it, the more you open the knowledge and guidance channel.
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I haven't thought about approaching a book or other information intuitively - ever. This is quite a challenge to leave aside own beliefs when reading/listening. I never thought about it, thank you for telling me!!
Quote from: Doro on April 23, 2022, 02:55:20 PMQuote from: inavalan... The "recession" and the "alternative healing", from the book discussed a couple of days ago, were good examples of what I mean: you can get legitimate knowledge from a book and author that promote a misunderstanding. You just have to approach it intuitively, and to leave aside your own beliefs and expectations.
The more you do it, the more you open the knowledge and guidance channel.
I haven't thought about approaching a book or other information intuitively - ever. This is quite a challenge to leave aside own beliefs when reading/listening. I never thought about it, thank you for telling me!!
Until we develop a working intuition, we can rely on our inner-guidance. I've done it for some time, and I am still amazed of the differences in depth between intellectual, intuitive, and inner-guidance interpretations.
Until we develop a working intuition, we can rely on our inner-guidance. I've done it for some time, and I am still amazed of the differences in depth between intellectual, intuitive, and inner-guidance interpretations.
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And here I am, thinking that intuition and inner guidance are the same in a sense. I'm speaking of the "feeling or knowing" exactly what to do. Sometimes quite spontaneous without thinking.
What does intuition do/feels like in comparison to inner guidance?
What I think when I start watching the reasonings behind the theory is that okay these people believe they are in an illusion and yes they are right but they are looking in the wrong places to prove their theory. Why would nature not use the perfect form of a sphere, why would it use a disk? And what human or other agency is keeping everyone from knowing the truth and for what end? And the sun floating over the face of the flat earth to heat it..
There is also the psychological element. People do like to reject their conditioning. And IMO this is very very healthy. But again in this instance at least they are rejecting it in the wrong way but in their defence I suppose what methods of rejection are at their disposal? Indeed how do you disprove reality? The majority of people have invested a lot in reality and don't want it disproved.
Quote from: Doro on April 23, 2022, 01:54:41 AMQuote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 01:11:47 AMIt seems the "seal" quote from the Hebrew bible (Job 38:14 ) doesn't point to the Earth being flat, but to God's imprinting landforms on the Earth's surface, similarly to the imprinting a seal makes on clay or wax.
"It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
https://biblehub.com/job/38-14.htm#commentary
I've watched videos on YT about the flat earth theory and read stuff about it. Interesting though. Some arguments sounding very realistic. But I have not the background to make some serious conclusions so it's just like : aha, interesting...
Well I can't make the bridge between the bible and the Seth material. The "God did make this and that" and "you are a part of ALL THAT IS and create (to some extent) your own reality....
Or : the bible is just another history book cleverly formed an manufactured to " leed the dumb sheep" in a direction wanted by the secret societies for whatever reasons.
The videos on YT from LHFE are nice but of no consequence for me and are indeed colliding with some of my beliefs. Especially ofc with these about "God"....
Some years ago I came upon David Icke who teaches the reptilian descendants. Interesting too above all bc I think the leader of the EZB (European Central Bank) Christine Lagarde looks just like it 😉. Not to mention his primary target, the monarchy of the UK.
The Seth material hit home in so many ways for me and it did have impact and consequences on my life. Which none of the others did.
Maybe I'm mistaken and missing something.🤔
Yeah Im not a bible person at all lol
So when things were happening to me and my answers were found through Neville I thought I had lost my damn mind lol
Seth material is always my go to and my back bone of all of this. The bridge is there.... but they each speak differently.
I guess more or less I am just sifting through this theory .... I have not a clue if true or not. Many things are so questionable in "science".
Quote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 01:11:47 AMIt seems the "seal" quote from the Hebrew bible (Job 38:14 ) doesn't point to the Earth being flat, but to God's imprinting landforms on the Earth's surface, similarly to the imprinting a seal makes on clay or wax.
"It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
https://biblehub.com/job/38-14.htm#commentary
Thats what I thought. I included that because thats what they use as part of their evidence.
(Edited to add : and yet our interpretation of the bible referencing this is merely your interpretation. No one can prove we live where we do until you physically or astrally investigate. When I have experienced my own investigation I never get a globe.)
They do make some great points though. I like challenging my construct I suppose. Plus Seth and space travel ......
I dont know if we are on a sphere traveling through space. Seth said quite a few things on space travel. Why would our planet be any different? Things like this .... lead me to question the stories we are told to believe.
I actually started watching them not because of the flat earth concept but more because of their "history" references. Mud floods, melting brick and hybrids. Seth talks about that and consider me intrigued.
Quote from: Doro on April 23, 2022, 04:58:05 PMQuote from: inavalanUntil we develop a working intuition, we can rely on our inner-guidance. I've done it for some time, and I am still amazed of the differences in depth between intellectual, intuitive, and inner-guidance interpretations.
And here I am, thinking that intuition and inner guidance are the same in a sense. I'm speaking of the "feeling or knowing" exactly what to do. Sometimes quite spontaneous without thinking.
What does intuition do/feels like in comparison to inner guidance?
The way I use these terms, intuition means accessing knowledge through your inner-senses, while inner-guidance means two-way communication with your inner-guide, a Seth like teacher-entity. Inner-guidance is meant to help us while not yet being able to properly use our inner-senses.
A "feeling of knowing" might just be emotional. It is less accurate even than intellectual reasoning.
Quote from: strangerthings on April 23, 2022, 06:00:29 PMThey do make some great points though. I like challenging my construct I suppose. Plus Seth and space travel ......
I dont know if we are on a sphere traveling through space. Seth said quite a few things on space travel. Why would our planet be any different? Things like this .... lead me to question the stories we are told to believe.
I actually started watching them not because of the flat earth concept but more because of their "history" references. Mud floods, melting brick and hybrids. Seth talks about that and consider me intrigued.
I wonder if alternate realities might experience a flat-Earth ... (?) Why not? Anything is possible.
Quote from: strangerthings on April 23, 2022, 05:47:00 PMQuote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 01:11:47 AMIt seems the "seal" quote from the Hebrew bible (Job 38:14 ) doesn't point to the Earth being flat, but to God's imprinting landforms on the Earth's surface, similarly to the imprinting a seal makes on clay or wax.
"It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment."
https://biblehub.com/job/38-14.htm#commentary
Thats what I thought. I included that because thats what they use as part of their evidence.
During the biblical times, they probably had no idea that they lived on a ball of clay. As there is no objective reality ... (as far as I believe) ..., then there is actually nothing to discover, but just to invent, create.
I think it was J. J. Thompson who during his Noble Prize acceptance speech said that he was wondering if the electron had existed before he started looking for it.
Quote from: Bora137 on April 23, 2022, 04:58:18 PMWhat I think when I start watching the reasonings behind the theory is that okay these people believe they are in an illusion and yes they are right but they are looking in the wrong places to prove their theory. Why would nature not use the perfect form of a sphere, why would it use a disk? And what human or other agency is keeping everyone from knowing the truth and for what end? And the sun floating over the face of the flat earth to heat it..
There is also the psychological element. People do like to reject their conditioning. And IMO this is very very healthy. But again in this instance at least they are rejecting it in the wrong way but in their defence I suppose what methods of rejection are at their disposal? Indeed how do you disprove reality? The majority of people have invested a lot in reality and don't want it disproved.
You believe that there is a "Nature" that created Earth ...
I mean ATI :)
Quote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 07:14:50 PMQuote from: Doro on April 23, 2022, 04:58:05 PMQuote from: inavalanUntil we develop a working intuition, we can rely on our inner-guidance. I've done it for some time, and I am still amazed of the differences in depth between intellectual, intuitive, and inner-guidance interpretations.
And here I am, thinking that intuition and inner guidance are the same in a sense. I'm speaking of the "feeling or knowing" exactly what to do. Sometimes quite spontaneous without thinking.
What does intuition do/feels like in comparison to inner guidance?
The way I use these terms, intuition means accessing knowledge through your inner-senses, while inner-guidance means two-way communication with your inner-guide, a Seth like teacher-entity. Inner-guidance is meant to help us while not yet being able to properly use our inner-senses.
A "feeling of knowing" might just be emotional. It is less accurate even than intellectual reasoning.
A feeling of knowing is quite legit. You are not my god and you certainly are not anyone elses and if someone has a strong intuitive feeling then so be it.
Your interpretion of things is merely just that.
Could more information be collected ? Most certainly. But when we trust our spontaneity and feelings of things with our inner self trust - we are on the right path.
If we make a mistake we make a new path course correcting.
When I read Seth Speaks for the time I FELT THE KNOWING TRUTH.
Quote from: inavalan on April 23, 2022, 07:33:18 PMQuote from: Bora137 on April 23, 2022, 04:58:18 PMWhat I think when I start watching the reasonings behind the theory is that okay these people believe they are in an illusion and yes they are right but they are looking in the wrong places to prove their theory. Why would nature not use the perfect form of a sphere, why would it use a disk? And what human or other agency is keeping everyone from knowing the truth and for what end? And the sun floating over the face of the flat earth to heat it..
There is also the psychological element. People do like to reject their conditioning. And IMO this is very very healthy. But again in this instance at least they are rejecting it in the wrong way but in their defence I suppose what methods of rejection are at their disposal? Indeed how do you disprove reality? The majority of people have invested a lot in reality and don't want it disproved.
You believe that there is a "Nature" that created Earth ...
After everything typed out THATS YOUR question/"statement"? Its quite condescending IMHO
Yes nature created earth. I am nature. I create. I am a divine magnificent portion of All That Is and nature is included. ATI / Nature - just words.
EVErything and All That Is, Ever was and will be what we deem it so.
Its our nature.
Geez man LOL
@strangerthings You seem to be upset with my views ... I don't care, just keep it polite.
Quote from: inavalan on May 15, 2022, 10:41:39 PM@strangerthings You seem to be upset with my views ... I don't care, just keep it polite.
Im not upset with your views
Have your views idc
Its how you talk to people about certain things
It comes off very condescending
And does it make you feel better to tell me how to act?
How nice of you. I can get upset if I want to btw. Though I am not.
I am expressing my point of view.
Deal with it.
Quote from: strangerthings on May 15, 2022, 11:44:31 PMQuote from: inavalan on May 15, 2022, 10:41:39 PM@strangerthings You seem to be upset with my views ... I don't care, just keep it polite.
Im not upset with your views
Have your views idc
Its how you talk to people about certain things
It comes off very condescending
And does it make you feel better to tell me how to act?
How nice of you. I can get upset if I want to btw. Though I am not.
I am expressing my point of view.
Deal with it.
Don't be ridiculous.
You're distorting what you read as you do when you interpret Seth.
Keep it polite! It isn't an option. I don't have to deal with it.
Generally you express yourself quite confusedly, but in this case you were plainly rude. It was clear.
Quote from: inavalan on May 15, 2022, 11:54:31 PMQuote from: strangerthings on May 15, 2022, 11:44:31 PMQuote from: inavalan on May 15, 2022, 10:41:39 PM@strangerthings You seem to be upset with my views ... I don't care, just keep it polite.
Im not upset with your views
Have your views idc
Its how you talk to people about certain things
It comes off very condescending
And does it make you feel better to tell me how to act?
How nice of you. I can get upset if I want to btw. Though I am not.
I am expressing my point of view.
Deal with it.
Don't be ridiculous.
You're distorting what you read as you do when you interpret Seth.
Keep it polite! It isn't an option. I don't have to deal with it.
Generally you express yourself quite confusedly, but in this case you were plainly rude. It was clear.
Lol