NDE's

[jbseth]

Hi All,

I've always found NDE's (Near Death Experiences) to be very intriguing.

Recently I've been rereading the book, "After the Light" by Kimberly Clark Sharp. This book is all about Kimberly's personal experiences, both of having her own NDE, and of the experiences she's had with others in regards to their personal NDE's. Kimberly worked in a hospital.

This is not a new book, it was written in 1995, and if you're interested in it, here's some information from Amazon about it.

https://www.amazon.com/After-Light-Discovered-Other-Change-ebook/dp/B0791LJL4H/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=kimberly+clark+sharp&qid=1578521367&sr=8-4

Anyway, there are several really interesting stories in this book having to do with NDE's and I'll paraphrase two of these stories in the two spoilers below.

Sorry but you must log in to view spoiler contents.

Sorry but you must log in to view spoiler contents.

It's funny how I've owned this book for many years, and while I do recall the Maria story, the Vicki story seems brand new to me.


I think that the Maria story gives us plenty of evidence for believing that the OOBE's that occur during NDE's are in fact legitimate.  In addition to this, the Vicki story seems to confirm the idea that at least some people, who, are totally blind, don't apparently see in their dreams, but do see in NDE states.

Wow.

I thought I'd share these 2 stories here because I suspect that others here might find them interesting as well.


- jbseth

[chasman]

fascinating.
thank you jbseth!!!

[Deb]

Yes! I find NDE stories interesting. I tend to reject the obviously "religious" ones since Seth said we often take our beliefs with us, at least temporarily, so my feeling is that they are not objective. I'm still working on having an OBE, but I can live without (pun intended) a personal NDE.

Wow, those stories are amazing. The second one actually gave me goosebumps. I have a friend who lost her eyesight about 10 years ago. I volunteer for a cycling group she belongs to (yes, it's a real thing, tandem bikes) and so I now know quite a few blind people. I've often wondered how people who were born blind can visualize things, how do they navigate, how do they understand color? Many of the women wear makeup (my friend still does), and I wonder how the heck they can put on makeup--eyeliner, lipstick--while I'd never mastered those myself. I suppose some may have a spouse or child to help at home. But for a woman who has never seen, why is makeup important since they've never seen their own face, let alone others'?

I came across this article in Quora this morning. I thought the first response by Christopher Pearsall was pretty convincing. About 4 responses down, there's one by Errol Greene which is pretty thorough, brings up research by the University of Virginia, and then this link to a very long and detailed article: https://readersupportednews.org/pm-section/398-science/7170-new-evidence-suggests-that-the-near-death-experience-is-the-spirit-leaving-the-body-and-not-just-a-dying-brain  From that article:

First and foremost is the research of Dr. Ken Ring, one of the deans of Near-Death research. In one of his books Mindsight, Dr. Ring investigated 31 blind people who had near-death-experiences and or out-of-body experiences. 80% of the respondents claimed that they were able to see when out of their bodies, even those who were congenitally blind (blind from birth). Congenitally blind people don't even have a concept of sight; they only dream in audio. Many of these people had flat brain waves and were in cardiac arrest in hospitals. Five of them saw things that could be verified independently. I will ask one question of the scientific community. Without eyes, in cardiac arrest and with flat brain waves, what did these people see with? Unless all the participants in this study are lying, this particular phenomenon cannot be explained from the current scientific theory of material reductionism. The theory of Occam's Razor would suggest that this is a real event.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/experts04.html

I've only scanned the article, but intend to read it more carefully and to also follow the links. Fascinating stuff. I wonder if the 20% who could not see during their NDE was because of their belief that they are blind? At the bottom of the article is a link to http://noosphere.princeton.edu, The Global Consciousness Project, Meaningful Correlations in Random Data.  More to check out!

[inavalan]

I've often wondered how people who were born blind can visualize things, how do they navigate, how do they understand color?

This shouldn't be a surprise, as what we perceive is what we've created. Creation precedes materialization for senses.

When you get in contact with a non-physical entity, often you get a reply to your question before you finish formulating (wording) it.

Also, an entity's personality might be blind, but that entity have experienced other projections in form-based realities.