Simultaneous Time Analogy

[jbseth]

Hi All,

Recently, I've come up with what I think, is a great analogy for Seth's idea of simultaneous time. Here's this analogy.


Whenever I look out upon my experience here on earth, the following all appear to be true.  The earth is not moving (as in, moving through space) the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, every day.  Along with this, the moon, planets and stars also all appear to be rise in the east and set in the west.


However, using my mind and my imagination, I can perceive that this may not in fact be true. Seeing things from a different perspective, in my mind, I can imagine that I'm on a spacecraft, high above both the sun and in the earth.  Furthermore, when I look out the window of this spacecraft, this is what I see.

Both the sun and the earth are hurdling through space.  As they do this, the earth revolves on its axis, once every "day". Furthermore, along with this, the earth also revolves around the sun in an elliptical orbit, completing one revolution, in approximately one "year".


The fact that the sun "seems" to rise in the east and set in the west every day, while here on earth, doesn't preclude the possibility that the actual truth here is this. The earth is actually moving through space and as it does so, it's revolving on its axis, once a day, as its revolving around the sun, approximately once a year.



In a similar fashion, perhaps the fact that time "seems" to occur as a consecutive sequence, while here on earth, doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility that the actual truth here is this. All time is simultaneous.

There is one more factor that I would like to add to this analogy. If, in fact time really is just a consecutive sequence, as many of us seem to experience it, here on earth, then Einstein's, "Theory of Relativity" where he tells us that time is "relative" also wouldn't seem to be true either. However, if Einstein's theory really is valid, then maybe time, as we perceived it here on earth, isn't what we think it is. Maybe what Seth tells us about time, that it is simultaneous is actually true as well.

This is one of the main reason why, I, personally think that Seth may be onto something, when he says that all time is simultaneous.

-jbseth

[michaelk]

this sounds great.

the only thing i would add is that to actually experience simultaneous time, you simply have to experience all of these POVs you mentioned, at the same 'time'.

holding all of those focuses, in your awareness, at the same 'time' - is simultaneous time. at least that's how i've experienced it.

[jbseth]

Hi MichaelK, Hi All,

Wow. That's a pretty interesting comment MichaelK, thanks for sharing that.

While I can't say that I've ever "experienced", these two different POV's simultaneously, I have and can easily "imagine" them at the same time.


At one point in the past, while reading a book about the WW2 Battle of Midway, I had for the briefest of moments a "vision" or an "experience" of being a Japanese Navy man, on board one of the Japanese air craft carriers, just moments before the American dive bomber planes, attacked the ship I was on.  At that moment, as a Japanese Navy man, I was horribly aware of what a terrible predicament we were in as, bombs and bullets and fuel were all scattered all over the place on the ship at that moment.

This was just a fleeting experience, but I've had something similar, having to do with a Native American who was meditating in a field and suddenly two hawks appeared in the sky. I sensed that I was to be called "Two Hawks", in my tribe. Again just a fleeting, vision / experience.

I sometimes wonder about these types of experiences. Was I experiencing some sort of past life reality or was I just perhaps experiencing a moment of the life of someone else, kind of like what Jane did and experienced through her "World View of William James" experience.

In the "James" book, both Seth and "James" do seem to hint at the possibility, that these really are maybe not so much different from each other, given the way that they both separately claim that consciousness can and does merge with other consciousnesses.

-jbseth

[Deb]

While I get the concept of simultaneous time, I still have a hard time "getting it" deep down. Thanks for the comparison of the earth/sun with time, because the earth/sun movement is something that's easy for me to relate to. I'm sensitive to motion and speed, like most people. And the idea that we on earth are both revolving and rotating, while possibly also hurtling through space—yet I feel nothing but steady and solid ground beneath my feet—opens me to the idea that our concept of time is simply due to our perspective.

Let me add something else that may be unrelated. I've been on a few cruises and fishing boats. For a while I feel every little rocking of the ship. Then I adapt and don't notice it any more. Then I leave the ship, and now solid ground is (anti?)rocking until my body adapts. I've also had the same happen when I've spent a lot of time soaking in an ocean... when I get out and onto ground, I carry the feeling of waves with me. But it somewhat explains to me how we have adapted to all of the earth's motion we have learned to ignore.

I read an Einstein biography a few years ago, and what sticks with me is the example of, I think, relativity. It involved a train moving at full speed. A person in the train car jumps up and then lands on his feet. Within the train, he lands in the same spot he jumped from. But from the perspective of someone outside the train, depending on the speed, there could be an actual distance gain of say 8 feet from blastoff to landing. Which is real or accurate? It depends on the perspective, there is no one real answer.

That's the kind of stuff that strains my brain, while also opening my mind.

In the "James" book, both Seth and "James" do seem to hint at the possibility, that these really are maybe not so much different from each other, given the way that they both separately claim that consciousness can and does merge with other consciousnesses.

I'll be on a long road trip in a couple of weeks, and the James book audio (Tim Hart) is on my read list. #1 actually. I can't wait. I started reading the book a couple of times and really enjoyed what I read, but there have been distractions and this time I'm determined to make it thru the entire book.

[michaelk]

Hi MichaelK, Hi All,

Wow. That's a pretty interesting comment MichaelK, thanks for sharing that.

While I can't say that I've ever "experienced", these two different POV's simultaneously, I have and can easily "imagine" them at the same time.


At one point in the past, while reading a book about the WW2 Battle of Midway, I had for the briefest of moments a "vision" or an "experience" of being a Japanese Navy man, on board one of the Japanese air craft carriers, just moments before the American dive bomber planes, attacked the ship I was on.  At that moment, as a Japanese Navy man, I was horribly aware of what a terrible predicament we were in as, bombs and bullets and fuel were all scattered all over the place on the ship at that moment.

This was just a fleeting experience, but I've had something similar, having to do with a Native American who was meditating in a field and suddenly two hawks appeared in the sky. I sensed that I was to be called "Two Hawks", in my tribe. Again just a fleeting, vision / experience.

I sometimes wonder about these types of experiences. Was I experiencing some sort of past life reality or was I just perhaps experiencing a moment of the life of someone else, kind of like what Jane did and experienced through her "World View of William James" experience.

In the "James" book, both Seth and "James" do seem to hint at the possibility, that these really are maybe not so much different from each other, given the way that they both separately claim that consciousness can and does merge with other consciousnesses.

-jbseth

Wow, jbseth - that's awesome!!! both of those experiences.

I'd say yeah, that would really be a mobile consciousness, to tune in or place your awareness both in the japanese navy man and native american at the same time... and then play! as both past lives of yours, then experiencing both of those as someone else's moments - and then a combination of the two.

then for some real fun - tune in at the same time with both of those people - along with your awareness on the spaceship! experience all three at the same time. and just be with that. play.

thanks for the reminder about the "James" book. I've had it on my list for years... it really does sound like a great book.

[michaelk]

just throwing this out there since we're talking about simultaneous time. this is how i've come to understand simultaneity, alternate realities, my linear timeline, blah, blah, blah... if it's of any use. again, just my take.

picture your life as a snow globe, with each snowflake being both a moment in time, and a choice made/action taken.

now let's say you're in your kitchen in your now moment, facing an open cupboard looking at a box of cookies - wondering if you want to eat 1... or 12.

to make it simple let's say there are three different paths you can go down. 1 cookie, 12, or of course 0. and each action (taking either 1, or 12 or 0) is represented by a separate snowflake around the one you are on. in a way, when you take that action you step over onto the next snowflake. your current awareness is "there."

now imagine the snow globe becomes almost impossibly dense with snowflakes, each representing different/alternate decisions and actions and... you get the idea. it represents all possibilities that we can take in life.

for me, in this physical life that i am experiencing right now, each action i take in life gets me from one snowflake to the next. like stepping stones. if i were to look into that snow globe and if every step that i took on each snowflake that i landed on were to suddenly glow with light, i could pick out the path i took. for this version of me. if i were to take all of those individual glowing snowflakes and stretch them out into a straight line - that would represent the linear timeline of my life. with each decision/action i take. that - is my life.

now, i do believe that in one life i showed incredible restraint and chose 0 cookies. in another 12, and in another 1. and of course every other permutation of that. and if i were to have made every other decision and taken every other action all the same in my life, except those three separate choices - i feel that each of those choices would result in a separate life. remember, the glowing snowflakes stretched out in a line. one small blip, that one different choice/action, a separate life. an alternate life.

now, how that helped me to begin with was - i was always worried about making a bad choice. making a mistake. (childhood incident, bad memory, blah blah blah...) - and with this first realization of the (i believe) fact that i have lived all of those choices, it suddenly didn't matter what choice i made when faced with a particular event. i will, in some life, have made all the choices and taken all the actions. so whatever i choose in "this" life (this version of my glowing snowflakes stretched out into a straight line) - it didn't matter. there was no wrong choice. there is never a mistake. there is only the choice that i choose to make - "now."

okay, that was a bit of an off the track journey, but for me it was an important realization. now, onto simultaneity...

each of those glowing snowflakes that i 'step' on, is my awareness, lighting up that particular action. bringing my current awareness there to that particular point of all that is. lighting it up, being there.

now - in that same way that i can light up a path throughout that snowglobe to be my life, we can also - then place our current awareness on all of those snowflakes - in essence, light up all the snowflakes at once. the entire snow globe.

be them all, at once.

simultaneous time.

it just takes a little imagination, and playfulness and - letting go. relax, hold a soft focus, and imagine.

try it if you'd like. it's actually kind of pleasant.

i also forgot, i then extend this out to each of us have our little snow globes.

and co-creation is just our snow globes, lining up in places. so if one of you were with me there in the kitchen, our "now" snowflakes were nearly the same (because each of us have our own perspective) but you are there with me, and playing, and encouraging me on in one version to have the 12, while in another you're grabbing the box and throwing them out over the fence into the neighbor's yard so the their dog can save me (at least temporarily) from my own weakness for cookies.

we each create our own worlds. but yet we play together when our snow globes line up in places. and yeah, we have alternate versions of all of that, too.

[jbseth]

Hi Michael, Hi All,

I really liked your snow globe and snowflake analogy having to do with alternative choices.  For me this brought to mind, some of the figures in Janes "Adventures in Consciousness" book.

In UR1, Section 1, S681, (see spoiler below) Seth had some great things to say about probable events. Here, he also talked about the pulses or "blinking lights" analogy. In this session he also talks about how Rob "died" several times during this life. For me, not only do these "deaths", bring up the ideas having to do with probable realities, but they also bring up ideas having to do with understanding who and what we (the self) really are.

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-jbseth

[WindWalker]

Here is a simple way to understand the illusion of time to realiize the "timeless moment" is all that exists. Think of the past. How much "time" is in the past? Thats simple. No time is in the past because it is gone. Think of the futire. How much "time" is in the future? Thats simple as well. No time is in the future because it hasn't arrived yet. So that leaves us with the present. How much "time" is in the present? None. Because it would no longer be the present. How long does the present moment last? 

[Deb]

now - in that same way that i can light up a path throughout that snowglobe to be my life, we can also - then place our current awareness on all of those snowflakes - in essence, light up all the snowflakes at once. the entire snow globe.

be them all, at once.

simultaneous time.

Loved the snowglobe analogy, the entire thing. When you wrote about possibly making a bad choice, my first thought was, but what if I DO make a bad choice? What if it's something important that I'm working on in this life (certainly not choices about cookies, but more serious stuff)? But of course, as you explained, other versions of me will make different choices, which is what we on the entity level are counting on. In the big picture our choices will resolve, because at some point I/we will be viewing everything from the soul/entity's perspective—all the snowflakes lit.

"Your soul, therefore, possesses the wisdom, information, and knowledge that is part of the experience of all these other personalities; and you have within yourselves access to this information, but only if you realize the true nature of your reality."

Roberts, Jane. Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book) . Amber-Allen Publishing. Kindle Edition.

How much "time" is in the past? Thats simple. No time is in the past because it is gone. Think of the futire. How much "time" is in the future? Thats simple as well. No time is in the future because it hasn't arrived yet. So that leaves us with the present. How much "time" is in the present? None. Because it would no longer be the present. How long does the present moment last? 

I was doing so well until I got to "How long does the present moment last?" and my brain stalled. I was able to get it in gear again. Thanks for the short explanation, it makes sense.