People who are afraid of themselves

[Deb]

I was talking with a friend the other day about Seth stuff. She mentioned she was reading The Nature of Mass Events again, where Seth talked about the Jonestown, Guyana SA incident from 1978 where 900+ Americans died by drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid. Another case of people dying for—or because of—their beliefs. An epidemic of beliefs. For me, the paragraph beginning "Man is of good intent" is very powerful. Idealism...

She brought up the phrase used by Seth, "People who are afraid of themselves" and we thought it would be a great discussion for the forum. So here I go with some quotes:

Many people lost their lives recently in the tragedy of [Jonestown], Guyana. People willingly took poison at the command of their leader. No armies stood outside the grounds. No bombs fell. There was no physical virus that spread through the multitude. There was no clothing to decorate the mechanisms of the events. Those people succumbed to an epidemic of beliefs, to an environment [that was] closed mentally and physically. The villains consisted of the following ideas: that the world is unsafe, and growing deadly; that the species itself is tainted by a deadly intent; that the individual has no power over his or her reality; that society or social conditions exist as things in themselves, and that their purposes run directly counter to the fulfillment of the individual; and lastly, that the end justifies the means, and that the action of any kind of god is powerless in the world.

The people who died were idealists—perfectionists of exaggerated quality, whose very desire for the good was tainted and distorted by those beliefs just mentioned. For those beliefs must gradually shut out perception of good from experience.

Man is of good intent. When you see evil everywhere in man's intent—in your own actions and of those of others—then you set yourself up against your own existence, and that of your kind. You focus upon the gulf between your beliefs and your experience, until the gulf is all that is real. You will not see man's good intent, or you will do so ironically—for in comparison with your ideals, good in the world appears to be so minute as to be a mockery.

To this extent experience becomes closed. Such people are frightened of themselves, and of the nature of their existence. They may be intelligent or stupid, gifted or mundane, but they are frightened of experiencing themselves as themselves, or of acting according to their own wishes. They help create the dogma or system or cult to which they "fall prey." They expect their leader to act for them. To a certain extent he soaks up their paranoia, until it becomes an unquenchable force in him, and he is their "victim" as much as his followers are his "victims."

In the Guyana affair, you had "red-blooded Americans" dying on a foreign shore (in South America), but not under a banner of war, which under certain circumstances would have been acceptable. You did not have Americans dying in a bloody revolution, caught among terrorists. You had instead Americans succumbing in a foreign land to some beliefs that are peculiarly American, and home-grown.

The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events, Chapter 6, Session 835, @ about 9:33

[Bumblebee]

ok. My question is: aren't we all in some way or another afraid of ourselves?

For me, "people frightened of themselves" is not a category. I believe consciousness is consciousness. You can't put it in a box with a label. It moves and changes constantly, always in expansion, more aware of itself. People express its different aspects, yet we are all basically the same: consciousness.

In the case of extreme examples like Jonestown, people get caught up in extremly limiting and paranoïd beliefs, and push them to their limits, taking for granted their beliefs are reality. But we all do this to different extents in our own lives, and we are as blind to them as the people involved in cults. We also mistake some of our beliefs as being reality. And as Seth pointed out, our reality is created to reflect our beliefs, so it is futile to seek example from our own experience to prove the value of a belief.

Yesterday I was sitting in the living room with my family and a discussion about vaccination came out. My sister is completely against it and my father is pro. They both had very good arguments and examples to prove their points, yet they couldn't hear the arguments of the other, because they were each caught up in their own vision of the world. Or at least, this is what I observed from my belief patterns.

For me, the difference between me being afraid of myself and the person that ended up in Jonestown is basically my set of core beliefs.  Since I believe mankind is good, I am immuned to such talk about evil. I seek to see the good in everyone, and therefore I find it.

[Deb]

ok. My question is: aren't we all in some way or another afraid of ourselves?

Maybe to different degrees, yes, most people are. For me it comes down to trusting ourselves to be good and appropriate (maybe not the correct word here) in our existence. Every day I find myself mentally saying, "trust yourself." And I find it's great advice for me because it validates me to myself. The people who get caught up in extreme belief systems, like cults, are looking for someone else to tell them how to be in order to feel like (or be) good and right humans.

That whole session 677 at the end of NOPR has meant a lot to me, packed full of what I consider the heart of all of the Seth books (and so underlined, highlighted, notated and dogeared that it looks violated in my book, lol). Although I tend to feel like that about anything he said. 

"When you affirm your own rightness in the universe, then you cooperate with others easily and automatically as part of your own nature. You, being yourself, help others be themselves. You are not jealous of talents you do not possess, and you can openheartedly encourage them in others. Because you recognize your own uniqueness you will not need to dominate others, nor cringe before them.

"You must begin to trust yourself sometime. I suggest you do it now. If you do not then you will forever be looking to others to prove your own merit to you, and you will never be satisfied.

"Trust the miracle of your own being.

"Do not place the words of gurus, ministers, priests, scientists, psychologists, friends—or my words—higher than the feelings of your own being. You can learn much from others, but the deepest knowledge must come from within yourself. Your own consciousness is embarked upon a reality that basically can be experienced by no other, that is unique and translatable, with its own meaning, following its own paths of becoming."

I could add the rest of the session, it's that good. Someday I'll have ended up retyping all the books, every last word, lol.

[BelieveIt2RealizeIt]

Hi Deb: 
l love NOPR, it was my first Seth reads and the seed that  brought me to all the rest of the "Seth Material" that's changed my life.

Recognizing that "Value Fulfillment" is the motivation behind all action (meaning as Seth says "Psychological action" valued and fulfilling to our being). I like to look at fears as simply the confusion we find while seeking value fulfillment but being ignorant or unbelieving toward the potentials of our universe. 
In other words, we fear threats to what I like to call our "Precious", those things we value psychologically while being ignorant to the nature of reality and the nature of our universe of all that is.

We value those characteristics and attributes that we consider identify our "selves" or the "beings" that we are.
When we consider our realities as possessing threats to those "Precious", we experience the emotion of "Fear". The emotion of fear, like all emotions simply reflect two bodies of our beliefs that are opposing each other or discordant.

1. We have a beliefs of what we discern preferences toward (desire or value).
2. We have a beliefs of how imminent possession or association with our being is.

When the two are in conflict we experience the emotions at the bottom of the scale; apprehension, fear, despair, despondency, hopelessness and possibly even depression depending on the intensity of value and certainty of threat or loss.

On the other when the two are resonating harmoniously, we feel ecstatic and the thrill of expectancy again according to the intensity of value and the certainty of possession. When expectancy is high in regards to either end of the emotional spectrum, we soon experience the expected as reality.

I've got to go pick up my daughter right now, but will return to share what I've been thinking most recently in regards to this subject.
We have great reasons to be of good cheer and hopeful of a wonderful experiences in reality. 

We have only to BelieveIt2RealizeIt in Experience.

[Deb]

I like to look at fears as simply the confusion we find while seeking value fulfillment but being ignorant or unbelieving toward the potentials of our universe.
In other words, we fear threats to what I like to call our "Precious", those things we value psychologically while being ignorant to the nature of reality and the nature of our universe of all that is.

There are different types of fears...

Fears for physical safety, people not trusting the world is a safe place ("I live in a Universe that is safe") or believe death is the end all. People that feel they need to be armed at all times. Always wary on the street. I've always puzzled over the fact that criminals on death row for murder or mass murder, seem to be the people who most fear death, continually petitioning for stays of execution. And they are the ones that have robbed others of their lives. How ironic is that? Of course to complicate things I have to throw in the Sethian concept that there are no victims...

Fears of failure or disappointment. I suffer from that and hold myself back from doing things that could be rewarding because I'm afraid I will disappoint myself. How does one adopt that behavior? Ridiculous, I know. I do accomplish more in a variety of outlets than anyone I know and am not normally afraid to jump right into something new or challenging. But put me before an easel and—because all my life I've wanted to be an artist, it means that much to me—I will find any and every excuse to find something more "important" to do. I even made myself a sign because of this (below).

I have a (long distance) friend who fears being spied upon and goes out of her way to hide herself from the internet and beyond. She's a wealth of knowledge when it comes to the Seth materials, yet won't join this forum because she does not join anything, does not want her email associated with anything, so she can hide.

I'm sure I could come up with more examples, but they all are in some way are tied to what you call our "Precious" (good one!), whether that Precious is life, health, privacy, ideals, self image, etc. Do fear and worry go hand in hand? They could almost be the same thing. I think it was EstherHam that said worry is attracting something unwanted into your life. Same goes for fear, in my mind.

[eyelive4ever2]

Nobody dies. Isn't the core of Seth books to teach people that they are eternal energy beings, exact replicas of this entity called God? Using the word "dies" tells me that Seth isn't understood very well.
Well, if we were not constantly bursting forth from God's body, then we would not be here. Our quarks are constantly being formed by precise direction, this direction being our inner selves. We are ONE with our inner selves and everything else. We are not solid at all. Therefore we are not separate. Energy cannot be separated. It is always ONE with itself. The difference between everything is the frequency--the rate of the collapse of the wave, the set of waves of many dimensions called God. That is how come church and state can never be separate. It is physics. Has been proven over and over and over.
Ever read the book Psychic Healers by St. Clair ? In it are stories of fast healing having nothing to do with what main stream doctors are teaching in the world. The story I remember best is the one of the Buddhist priest and how fast he healed himself. That is possible because he knew himself to be an eternal energy being of perfect patterns.
He was walking in the woods where many people had planted harsh, sharp stakes in the ground. He stepped on one and this stake went up his foot out his ankle. There was a reporter with him or we would not know this story. This priest pulled out the stake and touched his leg just above the cut. The reporter saw this large gash heal up immediately. The wound closed. Later he saw the scars disappear. This is what we are able to do and everybody should be taught this, but everyone is constantly being dummied down. If I were president, I would teach immediately that we all are being constantly created from Gods, our own inner Gods that want us to be here for a reason. Energy does not age, therefore the point of power will always be in the present.
We are healing machines, energy beings of collapsed waves, energy packets--trillions of them. This is why we are powerful beings. Just look at what free directed energy did to those 9/11 towers.
No compaction, or bombs dustified those towers. Directed energy did that, and I would like to know why this same energy is not being used to redirect any hurricane approaching any land anywhere. In the book Where Did The Towers Go? by Judy Wood, a hurricane is shown and charted during 9/11 and immediately took off from the area right after the towers came down. That hurricane was used to divert energy to those towers to take them down--to dustify them. On purpose right in front of everybody. And then look at Katrina. Nobody diverted that hurricane. why not?

[BelieveIt2RealizeIt]

Interesting you mention: Free directed energy did to those 9/11 towers.
I've seen a youtube video on that subject and 911 towers.
No doubt in my view, the towers were brought down.
Seems there were beams with special formed charges too and sequenced detonations, possibly do you think these were used in conjunction with directed free energy?
From your Seth perspective, what do  you think Free Energy is?
Have you discovered ORMUS as it relates to matter super conducting as it transitions between the Plank zero point field into the material state and releases zero point energy? I'm late to the party, but getting really excited by what I am finding at links like: If you haven't much time listen starting at about 1hr 54 minutes.

[Deb]

Nobody dies. Isn't the core of Seth books to teach people that they are eternal energy beings, exact replicas of this entity called God? Using the word "dies" tells me that Seth isn't understood very well.

My use of the word death is about the death of the physical vehicle. My limited reading has not given me an in depth explanation of the decomposition of the body once it has passed its stage of usefulness. I saw this on Facebook the other day:

Those who survive physical death are individuals, as they have always been. When communication is set up with those within your physical system, then indeed life meets life. You cannot understand nor intellectually grasp pure truth. It therefore must be given in terms that you can understand. In parables.

One part of the self is pure truth. The other portions of the personality need translation and interpretation. They do not understand what they are. You exist in more dimensions than you know, and your own reality transcends your understanding and transcends the limitations of your own intellectual knowledge... These truths must be understood intuitively... in quiet moments of your existence. You will know your part in creation... uniqueness, and your own individuality, for through your own individuality what you call God expresses himself and is known.

The energy that moves through the universe moves the muscles of your hand as you write... this is what you are after. You have it, but you do not realize the knowledge that you have. The person that you seek is here, but he is with you, and has never parted from you, and even though he continues his existence in another dimension you are not divided or separated; you will gain from his added development, for he will telepathically let you understand matters that you did not understand before.

Seth, Jane's ESP Class, March 12, 1968

[Deb]

We are healing machines,

Oh girlfriend, do I have a book for you.

I mentioned, previously, the book "You Are the Placebo" by Joe Dispenza. I got the book from my library, loved and read about 1/2 of it before realizing that I would soon be taking an extensive road trip (3,000 miles) and could benefit from the audio version of the book.

I am back. And have "read" the book in audio twice: once out, once back. Definitely worth the time. Joe has finally pulled himself together enough to write a book that marries the basic "you make your own reality" Seth-isms with real science. Joe states early on that he is presenting his truths based in science, because it is the universal language, as anything that smacks of religion or spirituality is summarily dismissed. But science is the generally accepted authority and he wants to share his findings with as many people as possible.

He combines neuroscience, neurobiology, quantum physics, neuroplasticity, epi-genetics and many other acceptable sciences to present his findings on HOW, on a physical level. We make our own reality. And health. And aside from supporting Seth's teachings, he explains the actual science behind those claims.

All of the ideas, concepts, findings he presents are backed by cited research. He tells stories of many people who have cured themselves of chronic illnesses by changing their minds (physically changing their neurons, thought processes, brain structure, chemical production) and thereby changing their reality (and bodies).

I've been to a few of his lectures. Took a 3 day intensive class from him at the Shambhala Center at Red Feather Lakes, CO. I have talked and joked with him, received hugs and book signings, but never locked onto him like I have through this book. This one is special.

Do yourself a favor and get it.

I've listened to almost all of the CDs, except for the last one which is totally his meditations. He talks about energy movement, Kundalini, mental orgasms in the previous CD and I figured that if I was traveling at 80 mph across the Utah and Nevada deserts that would not be a good idea for me to follow through with the final CD, if you know what I mean, lol.

Life is good. Health is good. But there are always things we want to change or improve about ourselves, and I have a short list of things for myself. I'm anxious and excited to get started to follow the steps he outlines in the book.

It all makes so much sense. Change your mind, change your life. Truth.

Here's a little video that came to my email inbox this morning. It may cost you your email address. 
http://www.learn.hayhouseuniversity.com/joedispenza-video1-powerofthought

[John Sorensen]

We are healing machines,

Oh girlfriend, do I have a book for you.

I mentioned, previously, the book "You Are the Placebo" by Joe Dispenza. I got the book from my library, loved and read about 1/2 of it before realizing that I would soon be taking an extensive road trip (3,000 miles) and could benefit from the audio version of the book.

I am back. And have "read" the book in audio twice: once out, once back. Definitely worth the time. Joe has finally pulled himself together enough to write a book that marries the basic "you make your own reality" Seth-isms with real science. Joe states early on that he is presenting his truths based in science, because it is the universal language, as anything that smacks of religion or spirituality is summarily dismissed. But science is the generally accepted authority and he wants to share his findings with as many people as possible.

Yeah that book by Joe is amazing. I read it on Kindle on work lunchbreaks, and then bought a physical copy to refer to in my writing. I've already quoted from it multiple times on Batman blog (when talking about how Batman conditions himself to be the best human being he can be mentally and physically) and I will be synthesizing some of the elements from that book, Seth's teaching and other on my Seth blog and some other ebooks that are a while away, but in the works.

In many way's Joe's books and ideas build on the works of Maxwell Maltz who wrote "Psycho-Cybernetics" which again is a book of metaphysics couched in pseudo-scientific and positive psychology terms so as to pass the barrier of disbelief many people have around religious and so called spiritual topics.

I don't know if Joe has read the Maxwell Maltz stuff, but given that his books have sold in the millions and are still in print since first appearing in 1960 - I would say it very likely he has.

Maltz gives the same basic exercises in his books that Seth, Neville Goddard, Wayne Dyer, Matt Furey and other New Thought authors do, each with their own flavor, variation and unique application, but basically boils down to "Focused intention becomes reality".

[Deb]

I don't know if Joe has read the Maxwell Maltz stuff, but given that his books have sold in the millions and are still in print since first appearing in 1960 - I would say it very likely he has.

I know Joe was into some woman channeler for a time, somewhere in the northwest US. I can't remember her name but she was the sexy middle-aged blonde in What the Bleep. He doesn't talk about her, probably for good reason. I'd not heard of Maxwell Maltz, will look into him.

Joe lectures a lot with Bruce Lipton, another one of my favorites. I've met them both, gone to their lectures, took a 3 day workshop with Joe.  I love how their teaching is so aligned with Seth, but with scientific proof to back it up so it doesn't appear so new-age-metaphysical-unsubstantiated-slop. I'd love to be able to work with Joe in some capacity, not sure what that would be though. I just want to be a part of getting that word out.

At the end of this week I head for Tacoma WA for a weekend progressive workshop with Joe. I'm taking my son with me. I'm hoping the teachings presented by a doctor (and NOT Dr. Mom) will open his mind to the idea that we do make our own reality, health, life, etc.

We're both very excited to be going. I pulled the entire trip together, air, hotel, etc. in about 10 minutes so it feels like it's meant to be.

[Deb]

I don't know if Joe has read the Maxwell Maltz stuff, but given that his books have sold in the millions and are still in print since first appearing in 1960 - I would say it very likely he has.

I know Joe was into some woman channeler for a time, somewhere in the northwest US. I can't remember her name but she was the sexy middle-aged blonde in What the Bleep. He doesn't talk about her, probably for good reason. I'd not heard of Maxwell Maltz, will look into him.

Joe lectures a lot with Bruce Lipton, another one of my favorites. I've met them both, gone to their lectures, took a 3 day workshop with Joe.  I love how their teaching is so aligned with Seth, but with scientific proof to back it up so it doesn't appear so new-age-metaphysical-unsubstantiated-slop. I'd love to be able to work with Joe in some capacity, not sure what that would be though. I just want to be a part of getting that word out.

At the end of this week I head for Tacoma WA for a weekend progressive workshop with Joe. I'm taking my son with me. I'm hoping the teachings presented by a doctor (and NOT Dr. Mom) will open his mind to the idea that we do make our own reality, health, life, etc.

We're both very excited to be going. I pulled the entire trip together, air, hotel, etc. in about 10 minutes so it feels like it's meant to be.

[John Sorensen]

Yeah I've read a couple of Bruce Lipton's books, and watched some videos and podcasts with him.
Along with Rupert Sheldrake and other dudes in that circle of awesome such as Graham Hancock.

I love that the stuff that seems so "whoa, dude" and out there for mainstream knowledge from these guys, is quite ordinary in Seth terms.

[Deb]

"whoa, dude"

OMG The Matrix, my favorite movie EVER. And Keanu Reeves... well. I have to say the other day I was searching the internet for Weston Price photos of teeth, and came across a photo montage using Keanu as an example of what's *wrong* with modern nutrition and mandibular structure. Leave it to society to turn what one person considered a physical defect into a thing of beauty, lol.

[John Sorensen]

Yeah I have a copy of Nutrition and Physical Degeneration so I know exactly what you are talking about. Modern peoples teeth - including my own - are over-crowded due to the narrowness of the jaw and bone development etc.
The majority of modern dentists and doctors are not even aware of this. A bit said really, when a book /study published over 50 years ago has more insight into nutrition than courses that would cost you thousands of dollars, and often teach in-accurate information.