Question Regarding a Paticular Seth Quote.

[Potentium]

I've been trying to grasp the meaning behind this quote for some time now and I'm still having trouble understanding it. This is the Seth quote I'm talking about:

"There is no condition that you cannot change, except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creature hood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack."

I'm not sure what book this quote is from since I'm still new to the Seth material. I only stumbled upon this quote in this site: http://www.imaginenolimits.com/SethQuotes2.html

My take is that the quote is just another way of saying, "There are no limitations to the self, except those you believe in." But then again, the more I read the quote, the more confusing and self-contradictory it appears to be. It firmly says that "there's no condition that you cannot change", but then it seems to contradict itself by saying "except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creature hood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack." I'm not even sure what that last part of the quote means.

Does anyone have any ideas, clarifications, or insights?

[Deb]

Hi Potentium, welcome to the forum and to Seth!

It firmly says that "there's no condition that you cannot change", but then it seems to contradict itself by saying "except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creature hood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack." I'm not even sure what that last part of the quote means.

Good timing on your question, just the other day we were talking about limitations vs. there being NO limitations and I've wanted to get up a new topic to settle the confusion, but suddenly had some things come up in my personal life that interrupted my plans. As far as "functional lack," I can only imagine that meaning as a human coming into existence that has some serious handicap which makes them unequipped to function adequately in this existence (missing limbs, organs, part of the brain). Even in those situations some people still seem to be able to manage.

First off, I was able to track down your Seth quote on this great Seth search engine. http://search.sethtalks.com/ . The young man who created this search engine continues to add to and improve it and I spend a LOT of time searching on key words and phrases there. It's really a dream come true for me, because as soon as I started reading the Seth books I wanted a place where I could pull together all of his quotes on specific topics.

"Tell yourself this often. Create your own life now, using your beliefs as an artist uses color. There is no condition that you cannot change, except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creaturehood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack."
—NoPR Chapter 22: Session 677, July 11, 1973

In a nutshell, the idea of being unlimited vs. some limitations has to deal with what we intend to accomplish before we enter a physical incarnation, our entity/higher self intentions, creating reality on a mass level cooperatively with others and some basic standards we have agreed to and accept in order for there to be some sort of order to this existence.

I'm housebound tomorrow so I'll get the new topic up and hopefully it will a popular one. In the meantime, you can look over this topic (below) to see where we already got the ball rolling.

Limitation is another topic that I have planned to start soon, because while we are told we are unlimited beings, there are some 'constraints' apparently because there are certain root agreements in this physical reality. In addition, there are the intentions of the entity/higher self that play a part.

[Potentium]

Deb,

That still doesn't make any sense, though. If we have the potential to be unlimited beings and can change any condition in our physical lives, what's really stopping us from doing so -- besides our limited beliefs imposed upon us by mass consciousness? Theoretically, wouldn't someone who could "rise above" the influence of this physical plane and become "movers" instead of "pawns" (as the Hermeticists would say) be able to literally change any condition regardless of how "improbable" it may seem? Our higher-self isn't some puppet master controlling us like a puppet on a string. We do have Free-Will, don't we?

I also find the idea of choosing a certain, predetermined condition to be born into before reincarnating to be pointless -- at least to some degree. Not only that, but it also violates our Free-Will! I mean, we choose to be in a particular condition in our next life, but for some reason we can't change our mind and choose another path once we're in that life?

What if a soul wanted to reincarnate into a physical body that was deformed or handicapped in some way in order to learn some kind of "lesson" from this experience, but then changes their mind half-way through their life, and now wants to heal and fix their bodies using some kind of "mind-technique". Considering, we have Free-Will and our minds are unlimited in what it can achieve, I don't see how anything can stop anyone from accomplishing this feat, besides (as I already mentioned) the limited beliefs held in the subconscious mind.

By the way, thanks for the link. I'll be looking forward to a much broader and hopefully enlightening discussion on this topic soon.

[Sena]

"There is no condition that you cannot change, except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creature hood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack."

Welcome to the forum, Potentium. I think it is good that Seth tells us the limits of creating one's own reality. If someone is born missing their hands, that is something that they agreed to before birth, and this decision cannot be reversed. In my recollection of the Gospels even Jesus Christ did not restore missing limbs.
As for functional lack, the example which springs to mind is someone who is born blind.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+9&version=NIV
Either Seth is wrong, or the Gospels contain fake information.

Considering, we have Free-Will and our minds are unlimited in what it can achieve,

I don't think our minds are unlimited. There are many books out there which claim that anyone can become a billionaire. If this were true, the world economy would collapse.

From a practical point of view, it is worth focussing on the innumerable ways we can create reality apart from the above limitations.

[Potentium]

If someone is born missing their hands, that is something that they agreed to before birth, and this decision cannot be reversed.

That goes back to one of my earlier questions. What would stop that person from using their mind power to alter their bodies -- like growing a new limb or a hand (as in your example)? Our bodies are just a manifested thought-form, a total reflection of our consciousness, after all. Mind does create matter! All matter originates from mind. And matter can't exist without mind. There can't be any other way around this universal law!

Also, I find this whole idea of souls reincarnating into physical bodies simply just to learn some kind of "lesson" in a physically disabled body to be rather silly. I don't mean to bash people who believe in this kind of thing, but I find this particular concept of reincarnation to be flawed in many ways. Millions of souls reincarnate into physical bodies that are predetermined to be physically deformed/disabled and prone to develop all kinds of diseases, but that doesn't stop a person who was born without legs from using mechanical legs, nor does it stop a person who was born with poor eyesight from using laser eye surgery to correct their vision. So, what's the point in reincarnating into a legless person if you're just going to get mechanical legs, anyways, or a visually impaired person if you're just going to get laser-eye surgery?

Isn't the whole purpose of reincarnating into physical bodies to learn from limitations, AND also to transcend them all together? Why limit yourself to a gross physical body, when you can learn to develop your supernatural god-like abilities in this lifetime and truly create your reality (in the truest sense of the word) and help mankind in the process?

I don't think our minds are unlimited. There are many books out there which claim that anyone can become a billionaire. If this were true, the world economy would collapse.

That's simply NOT true! Seth himself even says that we have unlimited potential. Here's some of his direct quotes:
"There are no limitations to the self, except those you believe in."

"The human personality has no limitations except those which it accepts. There are no limits to its development or growth, if it will accept no limits. There are no boundaries to the self except those boundaries which the self arbitrarily creates and perpetuates. There is no veil through which human perception cannot see, except the veil of ignorance which is pulled down by the materialistic ego."

You're also forgetting the fact, that the vast majority of humans on Earth still haven't woken up from this mass delusion we call our everyday reality. Self-limitations and physical laws are seen as the norm. That's why most people aren't going to be manifesting billions of dollars for themselves. Most people simply just don't have the proper belief systems or the proper training to really transcend all this brainwashing and limitation they hold in their subconscious minds. It's not that supernatural powers like telekinesis or teleportation are impossible. Anything is possible! It's our beliefs (or lack of) that prevents us from accomplishing these things. Why do you think people in many parts of the world have been reported to have performed supernatural powers throughout history? It's because they believed in them in every fiber of their being!

[strangerthings]

The inner self has a say too. Yes we have free will but we also have a spiritual plan that the ego mostly is clueless to for most people.

Maybe the one getting mechanical legs will be an inspiring soul who initiates something greater?

The fact you can not see the bigger picture of another's path says it all.

We havent a clue as to why people select what they do before they come here. We can guess and argue all we like but it doesnt change their own path. Its frankly not our concern much less our business.

When you spend time in someone elses business,,,,, who is here for you?

Why are people born into wealthy families and some into orphanages and sex abuse?

We could debate this until we are blue in the face. The answers are within us.

I would venture to say that if it was something you really needed to know, ask your inner self.

Your path is not my path.

There could be thousands of variations we could come up with as to why someone is born without limbs. Just because it doesnt make sense to some of us doesnt mean it doesnt make sense to an individuals life path.

When the physical life is over, the experience will be important at a level for that soul and perhaps even the consciousness family.

I cant stress enough that if anothers answer isnt satisfying your curiousity then go within and ask. You are your best resource. The answer just might surprise you!

[Mark M]

"There is no condition that you cannot change, except one indisputably physically accepted at birth within the realms of creature hood, such as a liability in terms of a missing organ, or a functional lack."

He makes a statement and describes an exception. Straightforward to me.

In Seth Speaks, he gives a hypothetical example of a person setting challenges for h/herself for an incarnation, something like a woman, choosing to be of a racial minority and some further challenges such as a handicap or something.

[Mark M]

• "Let me give you a more concrete example that each of you can use in your own way. Suppose the worst, that in this life you have the following background: You are poor, you are of a minority race, you are not intellectual, you are a woman, you have a severe physical defect and you are no beauty. Now you set these challenges for yourself in a so-called past life. This does not mean that you cannot use all of your courage and resolution to solve these problems. You set them in the hope that you will solve them. You did not set them like millstones about your neck, hoping ahead of time that you would drown."

• "(Jim H.: "Didn't you say earlier, referring to the woman who was born in a minority race, that her challenges had been set up by a previous personality, in our terms?")"

• "You must realize, again, that we are speaking of divisions for convenience's sake, where none really exists. At the same "time," so to speak, that this personality is born into a minority race, in a completely different era it may be born rich, secure and aristocratic. It is searching out different methods of experience and expansion. Do you follow me?"

—SS Appendix: ESP Class Session: Tuesday, February 9, 1971

[inavalan]

"After all this time you still do not personally accept the fact that you are, in your terms at this moment, the sum of your own thoughts and emotions about yourselves and that whatever you want to fix you can fix, and that whatever you want to change you can change. If you do not change it is because you do not want to change badly enough. No results are forced upon you from the outside. You form the outside."
—ECS4 ESP Class Session January 11, 1972

[inavalan]

Dreams, Evolution, and Value Fulfillment, Vol. 1 A Seth Book by Seth, Jane Roberts
SESSION 891—December 26, 1979

The year 1980 exists in all of its potential versions, now in this moment. Because mass events are concerned there is not a completely different year, of course, for each individual on the face of the planet— but there are literally an endless number of mass-shared worlds of 1980 "in the wings," so to speak.

It is not quite as simple a matter as just deciding what events you want to materialize as reality, since you have, in your terms, a body of probabilities of one kind or another already established as the raw materials for the coming year.

...

But within the range of workable probabilities, private and mass choices, the people of the world are choosing their probable 1980s.

Growing a limb, while awake in the physical, has a quite low probability. I think that it isn't impossible, but would require a high degree of evolvement, and a very intense desire.

[Deb]

Growing a limb, while awake in the physical, has a quite low probability. I think that it isn't impossible, but would require a high degree of evolvement, and a very intense desire.

Or maybe a strong belief in the intense desire and expectations of the scientists working to accomplish this? The Placebo Effect on steroids. As they say, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

"If regenerative therapies ever work for humans, they might help regrow organs. Regrowing limbs — even if they're not exactly like the originals — could help amputees with phantom-limb pain, a condition in which nerves at the amputation site continue sending pain signals to the brain."

https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-make-frogs-regrow-leglike-limbs-working-towards-humans-2022-1

[strangerthings]

• "Let me give you a more concrete example that each of you can use in your own way. Suppose the worst, that in this life you have the following background: You are poor, you are of a minority race, you are not intellectual, you are a woman, you have a severe physical defect and you are no beauty. Now you set these challenges for yourself in a so-called past life. This does not mean that you cannot use all of your courage and resolution to solve these problems. You set them in the hope that you will solve them. You did not set them like millstones about your neck, hoping ahead of time that you would drown."

• "(Jim H.: "Didn't you say earlier, referring to the woman who was born in a minority race, that her challenges had been set up by a previous personality, in our terms?")"

• "You must realize, again, that we are speaking of divisions for convenience's sake, where none really exists. At the same "time," so to speak, that this personality is born into a minority race, in a completely different era it may be born rich, secure and aristocratic. It is searching out different methods of experience and expansion. Do you follow me?"

—SS Appendix: ESP Class Session: Tuesday, February 9, 1971

Exactly!

The bigger picture. Expansion and experience. Challenges etc

Thanks for posting this!