~Speaking of Seth~

Can I use Seth's self hypnosis thus. If say there is someone who I feel doesn't like me at work I am creating that reality. So can I use a hypnosis mantra "Bob Jones loves and adores me" ? I'm trying to use the most extreme opposite to how I feel Bob Jones feels about me so as to make my subconscious create a better reality. Of course not one where Bob Jones loves and adores me just one where we get on ok. I suppose I'm asking because what part does Bob Jones play in reality creation? I'm only changing my beliefs, Bob Jones' will be unchanged. So will this work?

I think this applies:

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php/topic,2635.msg21923.html#msg21923

So, you have to begin by thinking a little differently about the situation: your emotion. Then you track your belief that caused the experience that caused that emotion.

To do that, I go in a light trance and ask my inner-guide. Occasionally I try to identify the belief using my intuition, but always my intuitive finding is less deep than my inner-guidance answer. Very important: when you do such inquiries, you have to make sure that you leave aside all your beliefs and expectations, to minimize distortions.

Once you identified the emotion and the belief, you apply Seth's three-pronged method, as described in the quote linked above.

• One particular method is three-pronged.  You generate the emotion opposite the one that arises from the belief you want to change, and you turn your imagination in the opposite direction from the one dictated by the belief.  At the same time you consciously assure yourself that the unsatisfactory belief is an idea about reality and not an aspect of reality itself.
• (example) If you cannot communicate with others, imagine yourself doing so easily.

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EDIT: This isn't about affirmations. Your subconscious listens to your thoughts and emotions all day long, not only when you make affirmations.

ALSO: Ask what you want, not for more hoping to eventually get enough.

I love this bit "At the same time you consciously assure yourself that the unsatisfactory belief is an idea about reality and not an aspect of reality itself". I love changing reality by changing me. What I wonder though is how bod Jones' reality will change in relation to my changed reality. It is probably something Seth didn't cover though..

That's an interesting question. You're creating your reality in that situation, but yes, Bob is also. So you may change the way you feel about the situation, but can't change his—that's his job. Maybe an extreme opposite will be too extreme to start off with, lol. But nothing to lose, why not give it a go?

Many years ago I was offered a promotion as the coordinator in a word processing department. There was a woman there who was friends with me (and friends with my roommate) while I was a word processor, but when I was promoted she suddenly resented—no, hated is a better description—me. She didn't want the job and said as much, she just couldn't stand the idea of me having it either. I hadn't done anything to her, was surely not her "boss," and so was surprised and a little hurt by her reaction. I was just responsible as a liaison between the lawyers and our department, and to make sure the work flowed.

There was something going on in her head, maybe a past bad experience, that she was reacting to and it had little to do with me or the present. I finally realized her reaction was hers alone, and I let go of focusing on the problem. She ended up transferring out of the department, so in that way the problem was solved for the both of us.

This all happened "pre-Seth" for me, but looking back I think my not focusing on the situation may have helped me. I suppose focus can be considered a type of self hypnosis.

Quote from: Deb on April 27, 2022, 02:54:10 PMI finally realized her reaction was hers alone, 

I think this is an important bit of the puzzle. It might even be true that anything anyone feels about us is entirely their inner reality and nothing to do with us. But this is extreme I think.

Ps I just did 20 minutes of 'bob loves and adores me' and feel a bit odd tbh

Quote from: Bora137 on April 27, 2022, 02:49:56 PMI love this bit "At the same time you consciously assure yourself that the unsatisfactory belief is an idea about reality and not an aspect of reality itself". I love changing reality by changing me. What I wonder though is how bod Jones' reality will change in relation to my changed reality. It is probably something Seth didn't cover though..

As far as I understand you can't affect another's reality, no matter how incredible that seems. Nor another can affect yours (!).

To some extent, it is like the whole situation would happen in your dream. There is a "real" (in your awake reality) Bob Jones you dream about, who in your dream is a jerk (no matter how the "real" Bob Jones is). You apply the 3-pronged method  in your dream and solve your problem. This doesn't affect the "real" Bob Jones, only your dream about him. This sounds far-fetched, but I think that that's pretty close to what Seth says.

An analogy: It is like a multiplayer virtual-reality instructional game, in which we got so immersed that we forgot who we, those playing it, are. Let's say, I want to develop my attention. I start playing a multiplayer virtual-reality instructional game, designed to develop players' attention. The game is very stimulative, so that I'm getting caught in the story-line, in the reaction between characters (the other characters are played by other "real" players as I am, not by the virtual-reality computer). At some point I forgot why I'm participating in this (to develop my attention), and start getting sucked in the story-line: that character hit me, the other character is quite attractive, I want to have more tokens than everybody else, that character is unfair, persecutes me, .... Then, when the game session is over I'm pissed off with myself for having wasted my time, and instead of playing in a manner that would've developed my attention, I got distracted (exactly the reason why I wanted to play the instructional game, because I get easily distracted, I lack focus ...)

I dont agree.

When I lift others up or "pray" for another to have what it is they want, or send loving energy to my plants and they grow wonderfully....I am doing precisely that.

If I wanted to use black magic I can most assuredly do that.

I think the key here is an acceptance of a new or an unknowing of their power.

We definitely effect affect life.

I will ignore virtue reality examples. This world IS NOT virtual.

Quote from: Bora137 on April 27, 2022, 02:09:35 PMCan I use Seth's self hypnosis thus. If say there is someone who I feel doesn't like me at work I am creating that reality. So can I use a hypnosis mantra "Bob Jones loves and adores me" ? I'm trying to use the most extreme opposite to how I feel Bob Jones feels about me so as to make my subconscious create a better reality. Of course not one where Bob Jones loves and adores me just one where we get on ok. I suppose I'm asking because what part does Bob Jones play in reality creation? I'm only changing my beliefs, Bob Jones' will be unchanged. So will this work?

My example would be if you wanted more acknowledgement at work or a raise. GO TO THE END

See yourself respected, acknowledged, and with a raise!

What would happen if this were true?

You walk into work and then what? What do you do with the raise? Etc etc

Say you had an asshole boss. You walk into work and now this boss is nice and says hi and asks how are you doing etc Your "psytime/prayer" was for your boss to treat you better.
Now your boss does.

You just have to have faith that YOU ARE GOD of your universe.

"There is no spoon" it is you that bends.

Love is different. You cant make someone love you. Kinda like you cant grow a limb back once its gone. 

The love thing.... I have tried it. For years I tried it. I tested it. Way too many variables and love is ... well its glue already. They already love you lol They have to swim through the camolauge of life to realize what love is. They first have to recognize how much they love themself first.

Quote from: Deb on April 27, 2022, 02:54:10 PMThat's an interesting question. You're creating your reality in that situation, but yes, Bob is also. So you may change the way you feel about the situation, but can't change his—that's his job. Maybe an extreme opposite will be too extreme to start off with, lol. But nothing to lose, why not give it a go?

Many years ago I was offered a promotion as the coordinator in a word processing department. There was a woman there who was friends with me (and friends with my roommate) while I was a word processor, but when I was promoted she suddenly resented—no, hated is a better description—me. She didn't want the job and said as much, she just couldn't stand the idea of me having it either. I hadn't done anything to her, was surely not her "boss," and so was surprised and a little hurt by her reaction. I was just responsible as a liaison between the lawyers and our department, and to make sure the work flowed.

There was something going on in her head, maybe a past bad experience, that she was reacting to and it had little to do with me or the present. I finally realized her reaction was hers alone, and I let go of focusing on the problem. She ended up transferring out of the department, so in that way the problem was solved for the both of us.

This all happened "pre-Seth" for me, but looking back I think my not focusing on the situation may have helped me. I suppose focus can be considered a type of self hypnosis.

Yes focus is a trance state. You redirected your attention and your conscious is where your attention goes. Where you are looking.

My sense is that if you successfully change your beliefs about Bob Jones, Bob Jones will pick up on that in subtle ways - telepathically as well as differences in how you behave or carry yourself in his presence. Bob Jones will have cognitive dissonance, seeing a contrast between his beliefs and his experience of you. Eventually, Bob Jones will modify his own behavior to match your new reality.

By doing its opposite... you no longer think your boss to be a jerk bc you think hes a jerk he will be a jerk. Lol

So you see your boss being kind, warm hearted, saying hi what have ya.

If you want love expressed to you more from another feel THAT.

Now that does work. But making someone love you isnt it.

"I am loved"
Will get you there.

If bob jones expressed love to you ...what does that look and feel like?

Where do yall go what do you do? What has he done that expresses this?

"Isnt it wonderful bob jones made a candle light dinner?"

Idk lol you get the idea hopefully

Hahaha

The way I understand Seth, and I agree, you can't change another's reality without their agreement at their inner-self level, neither for better, nor for worse. Obviously nor yours.

Obviously, you should always do only what you believe to be right.

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 12:11:39 AMThe way I understand Seth, and I agree, you can't change another's reality without their agreement

So give them a reason to agree. You can't make someone change their reality, but you can create the conditions for them to change their reality.

Quote from: LarryH on April 28, 2022, 08:14:58 AM

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 12:11:39 AMThe way I understand Seth, and I agree, you can't change another's reality without their agreement

So give them a reason to agree. You can't make someone change their reality, but you can create the conditions for them to change their reality.

You missed my point, proven by your truncating my quote of its essential part:

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 12:11:39 AMThe way I understand Seth, and I agree, you can't change another's reality without their agreement at their inner-self level, neither for better, nor for worse. Obviously nor yours.

Obviously, you should always do only what you believe to be right.

That's why I don't like truncated quotes, as news people and politicians do: they change the meaning of the message.

Everything that one perceives has multi-layered symbolism. We can't know what another perceives, and we can't assume that they perceive the same as we do.

Any symbol can be reacted to / interpreted at various levels of perception: instinctual, emotional, intellectual, intuitive (inner-senses), direct-knowledge (inner-guidance).

In Bora's example, and any other:

- instinctual: whatever direct reaction in response

- emotional: whatever feelings about the situation

- intellectual: trying to find an explanation and the best course of action by rationalizing the situation

- intuitive: find your belief for which you experience the situation, by tapping your inner-senses, and change that belief if you want the situation to change, or not to reoccur.

- inner-guidance: learn what is the lesson that that experience is meant to teach or test you, by tapping your inner-guidance.

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 11:58:20 AMYou missed my point, proven by your truncating my quote of its essential part

My response applied to your quote, truncated or not.

Quote from: LarryH on April 28, 2022, 12:59:57 PM

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 11:58:20 AMYou missed my point, proven by your truncating my quote of its essential part

My response applied to your quote, truncated or not.

This sounds like kindergarten ... 

Quote from: inavalan on April 28, 2022, 01:22:40 PMThis sounds like kindergarten ... 

Trying to figure this response out. Maybe after I have my milk and cookies and a nap.

OMG Larry, thank you so much, that was perfect.

Right, you cant change another. You change. You bend.

If you believe someone can alter you then that can happen.

I have found through experiment, you move in and out of probable realities.

The problem with "making someone love you" is that whatever problems are occurring are still there. I think we are all correct.

Lol

I found myself moving in and out of he loves me he loves me not.

Which is maddening! I still had to reconcile with all my beliefs.

If you think another person can make you do things they certainly can. Still falls in line with your consent of beliefs.

I think ... loving yourself first is so very important because you wont need someone to love you ... you will feel the love and manifest love in your life.

However, we are each our own universe and everyone is a version of our perspective. Soooooo when you change your perspective your personal universe conforms. So in a sense yes it changes others but its your universe changing. A different probable version.

Thats how it makes sense to me lol

I think we are all talking about the same thing in our own words lol

So I've tried this on a few people I feel discomfort around and it has increased my perception of my self worth - I expect their love now rather than expecting something negative from them. In terms of their changing their perception of me - what I can say is there seems to be a space now a void which was before inhabited by the negative energy perhaps we were both generating through negative perception of the other. I have 'collapsed' my generation of negative feelings towards the other. Their negative feelings no longer sense mine - negative feelings having an attracting effect on each other - so now there is a void. I fully expect nothing to fill this void certainly not love lol. So I believe there will be a disengagement and neutrality and a falling away. Like two asteroids in space losing gravitational attraction to each other and going separate ways.

Quote from: Bora137 on May 07, 2022, 03:53:06 AMSo I've tried this on a few people I feel discomfort around and it has increased my perception of my self worth - I expect their love now rather than expecting something negative from them. In terms of their changing their perception of me - what I can say is there seems to be a space now a void which was before inhabited by the negative energy perhaps we were both generating through negative perception of the other. I have 'collapsed' my generation of negative feelings towards the other. Their negative feelings no longer sense mine - negative feelings having an attracting effect on each other - so now there is a void. I fully expect nothing to fill this void certainly not love lol. So I believe there will be a disengagement and neutrality and a falling away. Like two asteroids in space losing gravitational attraction to each other and going separate ways.

Nice! Nothing wrong with that. I can say I have been on this path before. I still do it. And you can have a void and also you can put love of self in the void and I find for me that letting go with love also plants a seed in that void.

Love of neighbor love of self. Going separate ways.

I wish you much success in your path!

Thanks St. It's funny how I got on the path really, well I was sort of on the path using meditation to help with depression. Then one day I was driving to work and I realised all the junk that the radio spews out so I turned that off. Then in the silence of driving to work I realised all the junk my mind turns out and I thought what is the use of all this crap, so then I started meditating all the way to work. You definitely don't need the ego element of your mind to drive. So then I got to work and I kept meditating, like ohmmmmmm over and over in my head even when I was taking to people and I felt super present. And that was before Seth. They I learnt some other stuff and Seth's self hypnosis so I'm just wondering how much junk/negative stuff I can remove from myself.

@Bora137

Thats a great story! I have used a trick also like your ommmm.

I used to do this a lot but not so much lately. I think it's hightime  I change that.

I used to lift every conversation to its highest self. For example: someone is saying how sucky their life is and internally I am lifting them up to HEAR "Isn't it wonderful! I have such a joyous life now. I have this that or the other!"

The opposite to what they are telling me in their story.

So, instead of hearing "my brother is in the hospital and he is so very sick", I hear: "my brother is doing so great! He is so very healthy!"

I think I have been in such a story lately. Time for me to lift this up again.

It takes practice and consistency and faith. It is no different than "already happened" when creating ... just courage to believe in it!

As for the driving ..... lolol
I have a few memories of driving somewhere and arriving and not remembering how the heck I got there!  Taking normal route and not remembering one single thing! lol

Funny! Yeah the other me definitely driving for me! Hahahahh

Reading you story I think You have an intuitive "know" within!!!! Too cool!

I try a similar thing a bit like Seth says your expectations of a person telepathically communicates to them how they are. So if someone is having a tough time thinking them as say happy and powerful can help them. I'm going to try your trick of hearing a positive story from them instead of the negative one they are telling and see what happens

Quote from: Bora137 on May 08, 2022, 03:43:20 AMI try a similar thing a bit like Seth says your expectations of a person telepathically communicates to them how they are. So if someone is having a tough time thinking them as say happy and powerful can help them. I'm going to try your trick of hearing a positive story from them instead of the negative one they are telling and see what happens

I would try something simple first. Not someone opening their map of reality in a story directly to you.

Maybe if someone is relaying a message to you or overhearing someone.

You know what I mean?

Ye will start with just day to day stuff 👍

What inavalan suggested is the way, follow your emotions, they lead you to your beliefs.

How do you feel when you think about the idea of Bob not liking you?
If you feel uncomfortable, ask yourself: What is it that I don't like about the idea of Bob not liking me?