None of the about 300 aboriginal languages in Australia...

Started by Mark M, January 01, 2023, 11:34:57 AM

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Mark M

None of the about 300 aboriginal languages in Australia have words for past/present/future.

https://ttbook.org/interview/eternal-moment
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inavalan

I don't make much of that ... Those are primitive languages. Japanese verbs have no future tense, but that doesn't mean much. Even English isn't among the more evolved languages.

Although it seems that the characteristics of a language should make a difference in the way of its native speakers think (e.g. in Japanese and German the verb is always at the end of the sentence, while in other languages the verb usually comes earlier in the sentence), there is no proof of that.

I think this should lead to the conclusion that we think before the words, and we just formulate our thoughts in words, using a language with its rules.

Maybe this is the true meaning of parents' admonition to their children: Think before you speak!  :)

Even at individual level, poor mastering of the language isn't really a reflection of one's thinking abilities, which shouldn't lead to the conclusion that "it doesn't matter how we express ourselves", as some people seem to have concluded. A good mastering of one's language makes for better communication, with obvious benefits. If you want others to understand you better, express yourself better ...
Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.

Bora137

They saw the white man as being mysteriously controlled by a device on his wrist. Aka the watch. I did an essay on this in uni I hated and still hate watches. I loved the fact that the aborigines lived in the now only - the continuing time of creation. Your mind is reality ☺️
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inavalan

Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.

Bora137

I do completely rely on the spell check apart from when I can't spell words well enough for the spell check to know what I'm trying to do

inavalan

Quote from: Bora137 on January 01, 2023, 04:27:17 PMI do completely rely on the spell check apart from when I can't spell words well enough for the spell check to know what I'm trying to do
I use the spell-check too, but I disabled the "autocorrect" feature which often selects a wrong correction.

This reminds a real story about a manager, I personally knew, who sent an offer for service to hundreds of potential customers. His excuse was that he used the spell-checker: "we offer service around the clock", missing the "l".  :)
Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.

Bora137

Ha. I find I also automatic write complete sentences I never meant to. I don't feel it's channelled but something else is definitely doing the writing.

My theory on spelling is dyslexics have incarnated on a different planet for a while before this one

inavalan

Quote from: Bora137 on January 01, 2023, 05:21:47 PMHa. I find I also automatic write complete sentences I never meant to. I don't feel it's channelled but something else is definitely doing the writing.

My theory on spelling is dyslexics have incarnated on a different planet for a while before this one
I don't know about that (?) ...

https://nowdictation.com/q/misspelling/

Quote"He, your director, has gamely held his ground. His insistence upon detail Ruburt takes as personal offense. The man is simply a stickler for detail. He is not rubbing Ruburt's nose in every misspelled word, nor is he suggesting, as Ruburt suspects, that Ruburt is a mental numbskull because he is a poor speller.
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At the same time he chooses words as the basis for his art. Here he gets back at authority. He communicates to the authoritative world at large original, excellent, sharp and concisive ideas, through words that are consistently misspelled."
—TES2 Session 74 July 27, 1964

Quote"That involved the deletion of copy, you see. He agreed with you thoroughly there. Though he did not agree about your opinion of Prentice per se, involving the difficulty, he blamed the foreign publisher. He felt, however, that some of your own anger against the foreign publisher was directed at Tam. Much of this involves simple differences in temperament. He did not deny the fact of your own visually acute behavior. He felt stupid when you became annoyed at typos or misspellings or whatever that he did not even perceive until you mentioned them. He felt between you and Prentice and Tam at various stages, of course, and did not feel certain of his old capacity to set the relationship right. He also began to distrust his own earlier methods of dealing with the situation."
—TPS6 Deleted Session June 11, 1981
Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.

Mark M

"There is only so much that I can say, since I am using a verbal language that in itself makes a tyrant of time."

—UR2 Section 6: Session 727 January 6, 1975
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inavalan

Quote from: Mark M on January 01, 2023, 11:36:18 PM"There is only so much that I can say, since I am using a verbal language that in itself makes a tyrant of time."

—UR2 Section 6: Session 727 January 6, 1975

How do you interpret that?

To me, Seth means that it is very slow to convey knowledge through words, in contrast with providing the ego direct-knowledge.

Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.

Mark M

It seems the ~300 aboriginal languages lack "time tyranny."

Mark M

I understand the pygmies have no word for evil in their language.

inavalan

Quote from: Mark M on January 02, 2023, 12:37:42 PMI understand the pygmies have no word for evil in their language.

At the other end of the "spectrum", Socrates:

QuoteSocrates died in Athens in 399 BC after a trial for impiety and the corruption of the young that lasted for only a day. He spent his last day in prison among friends and followers who offered him a route to escape, which he refused. He died the next morning, in accordance with his sentence, after drinking poison hemlock. He had never left Athens, except during the military campaigns which he had participated in.
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QuoteSocrates often mentions that he is guided by a daemon, a kind of divine spirit, oracle, or "sign," that takes the form of an inner voice or non-vocal nudge. The guide never tells Socrates what to do. It only indicates when Socrates is not to do something.

This distinction is important. One way to tell that a dialogue is spurious is if it has Socrates' daemon tell someone else what to do.

Socrates learned over time to listen to this inner divine voice. He acted in service to it. Nothing that he does in his life is untouched by this inner divine voice.

He describes it in the Apology (by Plato):

  • You have heard me speak at sundry times and in diverse places of an oracle or sign which comes to me, and is the divinity which Meletus ridicules in the indictment. This sign, which is a kind of voice, first began to come to me when I was a child; it always forbids but never commands me to do anything which I am going to do. This is what deters me from being a politician.

Later, he explains that the defense he is giving to the Athenian court has been approved by this inner divine voice.

  • Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, if I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good.
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Although I don't always write it explicitly, it should be inferred that everything I post is "my belief", "my opinion" on that subject, at that moment.