~Speaking of Seth~

Hello friends

I know that this can go either right or wrong, but I want to know anyway. Is there someone who experienced a ceremony with ayahuasca?
I did book a retreat the next weekend and was in doubt, well, say nearly 2 years. I did ofc my research but in the end this experience is so individual that no one can predict anything.
I am at a point in my life where I really crave change. But to change anything one should be certain in which direction the next steps should go.
And here I am at a loss. All the exercises from Seth sounded so easy and I plainly did not get it or whatever.
My body is complaining more and more and I know it's only in my head - the pain is real though.

I will definitely write to you my experience and happily will read your messages

Love
Doro

Hi @Doro! I've never used it but find it intriguing. It has come up before here, just use the search box up on the top right of the forum and you'll find several topics and comments. I seem to recall someone here trying it, there may also be links to YouTubes. I've never felt free to experiment with drugs despite being of the generation that practically invented them. This is one I've been curious about, but the negative side effects are a big turnoff for me. I can say that in the past few years LSD therapy has been studied and there are some very successful and creative people who swear by it. Ayahuasca is the more "natural" alternative, but I just can't go there.

Results/experiences with anything like this are unpredictable, but then from our Framework 1 perspective, life in general is unpredictable.

I had a very interesting experience with physical pain today. On the way to a meeting I wasn't sure I wanted, I had several physical problems ("itis") caused by what I thought were too many hours in the car. Later, I was walking around in a new and interesting place and realized all of the symptoms were suddenly gone. I can't help but acknowledge that I was causing my pain and it went away when I was distracted. I know better. And yet I repeat. Ha ha, an old advertising slogan comes to mind for some reason. The company Oscar Mayer, which makes hot dogs, bologna and other cold meats, had a slogan "no matter how you slice it, it's bologna." Well, the Seth version is no matter how you slice it, you make your own reality.

Hi Doro

On and off I consider Ayahuasca. In my youth I took mushrooms and it really changed my limited perception of reality then. It broke down many walls and even though it did not wake me at that time I believe it was necessary to my awakening later on. You seem to have done your research well and personally I think it can be the right step to help crack the illusion - it is the beliefs of the illusion that we are infected with that cause all pain so in the battle to align  ourselves with the truth of reality nothing should be taken off the table imo.

Much love as always Doro

Quote from: Doro on April 23, 2023, 04:00:04 AMHello friends

I know that this can go either right or wrong, but I want to know anyway. Is there someone who experienced a ceremony with ayahuasca?
I did book a retreat the next weekend and was in doubt, well, say nearly 2 years. I did ofc my research but in the end this experience is so individual that no one can predict anything.
I am at a point in my life where I really crave change. But to change anything one should be certain in which direction the next steps should go.
And here I am at a loss. All the exercises from Seth sounded so easy and I plainly did not get it or whatever.
My body is complaining more and more and I know it's only in my head - the pain is real though.

I will definitely write to you my experience and happily will read your messages

Love
Doro

Like with everything, your beliefs and expectations shape your reality ...

So, I suggest you go in (if you decide to go in) with high expectations.

To make sure that you don't just make up your experience, that you minimize the inherent distortions caused by your beliefs, I suggest you tell your subconscious that you leave aside all your beliefs. Go in with this thought in mind.

Good luck!

@inavalan


Like with everything, your beliefs and expectations shape your reality ...
     Yes!


So, I suggest you go in (if you decide to go in) with high expectations.

    I really do. I read in many posts that one just had to let go and expect nothing. You need an intention but shouldn't expect something.... I believe one who doesn't expect anything receive likely random "things". As we said : what you believe....

To make sure that you don't just make up your experience, that you minimize the inherent distortions caused by your beliefs, I suggest you tell your subconscious that you leave aside all your beliefs. Go in with this thought in mind.


    Here is the thing : I have the impression that my believes are blocking "everything" I want to realize. I this retreat I want to break down my believes, freeing myself from old rooted beliefs I wasn't able to transform. Leaving the feeling of being trapped behind. I want to be clear about myself if you know what I mean.
I have the feeling of the need to step out of my way of life to put together a new picture. Taking some of the old parts and transform or leave behind others.
I remember a quote from Seth when he said we could always seek help from our other "parts" in different possible realities. It would be super great for me to find those connections.


Good luck!  Thank you!

Tonight at 2.30 am I will drive to the Munich airport leaving for Amsterdam. I'll be  back to tell you all what was happening.

So I'm back...
Wow what an experience.
I really stressed about setting my intention and in the end it came just in my mind and I did set the perfect intention bevor each of the trips.
Its really hard to tell because the visions were intens and not from this world. At the same time it fits perfectly in my personal understanding. I met my daughters and my husband. Not in their real form. My husband came in his animal spirit and my daughters revealed to me "what they really are". And I understood right away. It was a Realisation without words, just knowing. And I could talk with this animal spirit and I realized why he was so sad. I saw why and when I was at home I could say it to him and he confirmed it. I didn't tell my daughters my insights about what they revealed to me about them because they will make the trip at the end of May and I won't gave them my pictures I received. They should go and see for their own. I'm pretty excited what they say to learn if I perceived the same.
And there were so much answers for me, an understanding of so many things. At one point I knew my life purpose, that was amazing. And I also can drop many themes I had and thought I had to do or to handle. In the end everything was very simple and clear.
I felt very good in a place I could stay like for ever. This feeling of everything is OK and I'm save is great. After the first trip I just could lay there and never get up again. I felt so good. Well of course they came and told me I should eat and drink something. It was already have past seven pm and we started at probably half past 1 pm. We were provided with a bottle of water beside our mattrass and a box with tissues and of course a bucket... I wanted to drink at some point during the trip and "Aya" came to me and said " why do you drink water, drink from me". And I thought yeah fuck the water and went deep in again. So I had to get the water afterwards 😉.
I felt really wobbly and they brought me a bowl of fruit (I was still lying on the mattress and just wouldn't leave this perfect feeling). So I ate and got up and ate some soup as well....
I know that I'll do it again. They recommend that you first should implement the things you've learned in your day to day life. So then there will be other themes to look into whenever you take the next trip.
I also have to tell that during the 2 weeks of the diet one should do before the trip really did already something with me. I was calmer and found something of a slowness in me that really did bring me down and I felt more relaxed in my days work.
I'm not the vegan type but it was really good. I'm cooking more fresh things and more veggies too. And there is already always a bowl of fruit in the kitchen. And I will see to it that it will stay this way. And I am aware that I shouldn't cut the "me" time to do some yoga. Even if I only do some stretching. Things I do for me are essentially to stay aware.

Ah well so much to say but I don't have the proper words. I can also tell that there was much healing on a level that goes beyond the body. I feel peaceful about circumstances and people where I was emotionally really stressed bevor. There is an inner peace now and that feels really good!

I can only recommend to do the trip. It is rewarding.

Doro

@Doro

Thanks for sharing.

Only if you don't mind ...

Were you lucid during the experience? Did you know who you were when awake, and what you were experiencing? Did you have control over yourself, over the experience? Did you meet a guide, asked any questions?

You wrote that you got many answers and understood many things. From whom?

Quote from: inavalan on May 03, 2023, 02:04:49 AM@Doro

Thanks for sharing.

Only if you don't mind ...

Were you lucid during the experience? Did you know who you were when awake, and what you were experiencing? Did you have control over yourself, over the experience? Did you meet a guide, asked any questions?

You wrote that you got many answers and understood many things. From whom?


I understand your questions. Allow me to come back to you later. I'll pm you. Some things are just too personal to tell
Doro

Wow Doro that is amazing like it seems the perfect journey. You are definitely unstuck now 🙂. It seems like quite an easy trip, almost ecstatic? No confrontation of the ego which I have read about in ayahuasca trips? I'm thinking your ego is well under control so you are advanced anyway. Amazing I'm so pleased for you 🙏🌸

Quote from: Bora137 on May 03, 2023, 02:46:32 AMWow Doro that is amazing like it seems the perfect journey. You are definitely unstuck now 🙂. It seems like quite an easy trip, almost ecstatic? No confrontation of the ego which I have read about in ayahuasca trips? I'm thinking your ego is well under control so you are advanced anyway. Amazing I'm so pleased for you 🙏🌸

Hello Bora

It was not ecstatic I felt quite "normal". A confrontation with the ego... Well, I guess I didn't think about so like that. I knew my ego just wasn't working at times because I didn't recognized my surroundings. Although I have the impression that my trip was in the structure of mySelf like I would say : ah that's typical me, now I understand how I am or at least parts of me. This is why my trip was so different from everybody who was there. Every single person had a totally different story, visions and feelings. And that was the proof for me that each journey is very very personal. One thing is coming from everyone though : love is the key. Foremost for ourself and we are loved so much. This is an incredible feeling. Yes, it's bliss to feel totally loved and save. Yes, I feel definitely unstuck. I am really happy and grateful 🙏💫

Hello again

I have such good news that I have to tell you :
My daughters went last weekend to the Netherlands (same location where I was) and did the ayahuasca trip too.
As you might know - or not - they had a very traumatic childhood and were only able to manage their day when consuming marihuana. Fortunately they got a prescription and were constantly in contact with their doctor. But ofc they weren't happy bc they weren't able to do a job or meet people ect.
Well now.
Everything changed. Never had I imagined that just one weekend would change their lives. They don't smoke anymore, don't need consultation. They know what they want in their lives and are so happy that they could leave their past behind, look forward and are free from any kind of drug.
The messages they received were indeed life changing.
Not that the past doesn't exist anymore. Not at all. But they are free to look forward into a future. The past can stand there where it belongs. And on top of all they know what they want to do in their life and are working towards it.
My oldest daughter and me are going in mid June again to one trip on Saturday. She needs to have more insights and I need to know things too and ofc we want to experience - again - that wonderful feeling of, well, coming home? Bliss? Peace? Joy? I guess it's hard to pinpoint.
My other daughter has to stay at home bc we won't leave our cats alone. She doesn't mind though.

Ah well I'm so happy, a load of sorrow and stress were lifted from our shoulders. I just can recommend such a trip.
All I learned from Seth is now very easy to understand and actually do in my life. Changing beliefs is very easy to me and looking forward to what I want and living without that fear which were eating on me.

Love you all
Doro

Glad to hear all goes well.

I found this extended description of "What happens when you go to an ayahuasca retreat"
https://nypost.com/article/ayahuasca-retreat-first-timer-guide-experience/

@Doro you have lit the difficult path and shown the way out of the dark woods no parent could possibly do more. You are a defender of the light🌸

Quote from: Bora137 on June 03, 2023, 03:11:08 PM@Doro you have lit the difficult path and shown the way out of the dark woods no parent could possibly do more. You are a defender of the light🌸

I am really thankful for this experience. I am really really happy

Quote from: inavalan on June 03, 2023, 02:08:48 PMI found this extended description of "What happens when you go to an ayahuasca retreat"
https://nypost.com/article/ayahuasca-retreat-first-timer-guide-experience/

I guess it is stranger there in the jungle. And I was ok with just a weekend, meaning 2 trips. I had the time to digest what happened. And I guess the next trip in 2 weeks will not be the last one I'll going to make. I would love to do it in Peru but I'm not prepared for that kind of trip.
I am happy that there are people who share this experience and I hope others will be doing it too. It's really liberating. Thanks for the link!!!!!

Quote from: Doro on June 03, 2023, 09:53:44 AMI have such good news that I have to tell you :

Wow, wow, wow, that's amazing! Thank you for the update. You have me really curious about trying ayahuasca now. In the past all I'd read about were the South or Central American process of steeping plants and a lot of violent side effects after consumption. It makes sense that with progress the experience is being refined. I'm curious if there's a more local opportunity for me than Amsterdam.

I imagine at some point it will become more studied and available, like LSD.

@Deb

I can imagine that in the locations like Peru there are still very special procedures.
In Europe and the US the rituals are more in the style of our culture. This is why it's more easy to try a trip and more save. The country regulations for using ayahuasca is different I guess. This is why some people take a few shots in one trip. The dose is always exactly the same and not so strong that sensitive persons are knocked out.
I took only one shot at my first trip and on the second day I needed 2.
Its totally up to you.
The university of Maastricht reached out last Friday to ask for the second survey from me. I gladly filled out the forms to help psychiatrist to use this and help people with traumas or depression. I'm glad the universities are open for such things nowadays like years before as you mentioned LSD. I will write about my next trip on the 17th this month. Can't wait actually 😊.

Have courage. The experience is awesome. No matter in which direction it will take you.
Much love
Doro

Hello again.
I promised to tell you about my latest trip on the 17th of this month. My eldest daughter went with me because "she" told her that she had to come again two more times - and indeed it was high time to go on in her journey (my youngest daughter told me that "she" had told her when to come again and this is not the time). So this time I had a lot of questions regarding my future because we are in the middle of the process to sell our house (well I would say we are stuck in the middle to sell the house). Anyway this time I took two shots because I wanted to go "deeper". In the end I can say that I enjoyed the trip because I love the feeling of feeling totally safe and loved. The result though was different from my intention. I was confronted with the present. Again and again. It was funny how I asked about what was coming or where we should go/which place, and every time I was shown another task to solve in the here and now. Ah well. I have a lot to do it seems before we can leave this place. Personal things as well as practical things. For example our wardrobe. I was standing bevor our wardrobe and was putting all the cloth out I new I'll never fit in again and I also knew it would be a real job to convince my husband to let go of a variety of clothes. At the moment I accepted the fact that I have to do "my job" first and do it properly, I could enjoy the feeling just to  be on this trip, flowing around so to speak.
When we talked about everything at home (me and my daughters), it was clear that we were shown our purpose (or you could say what we should do in our life) and we can go straight to it without asking us over and over again what we should do. What a relief to know the things you should do in your life. It saves energy and you can go straight to it. What ever adventure comes with it, we can enjoy the journey without having to double check.
I know too that nothing is written in stone and there are crossroads and questions on the way. And I'm happy to have a way to ask mySelf if I'm not sure what's going on.

When leaving the Neatherlands I bought magic truffles too because it's possible to micro dose and we want to experience these in the nature. Taking Psilocybin is a great way to enjoy and perceive nature without the "ego" or rational mind.

I leave you with this and hope I could interest you in ayahuasca.

Love, Doro

I think it keeps pointing out what needs attention now is because your are in hermit phase which demands all inner work be completed so the next phase can begin. Btw how do you get the truffles into Germany? That question I just thought of answer as I wrote - no border checks! And reason for me to not like this aspect of Britain atm.

@Bora137

Yes you are totally right. I thought the same at the sharing the next day. Of course there are stories of trips where I was, well, jealous. One woman quitting her job a few month ago, something in an office, nice income. She wanted to be an artist and living from her artwork. Now she was doubting herself and was afraid how she would manage to pay her house and live a good life. She experienced beautiful things, being in flowers itself or seeing a flower from the eyes of a bee as she was the bee. I was like wow what an amazing experience. My way is another and as you wrote, in order to come to that place where I want to be I was shown exactly what to do now. And this I'm doing. It is amazing that we can experience in that sharing that each soul really has another purpose and for me it is reassuring that I do not have to search for things to be sure to do. The answers were pretty clear. Easy to follow and understand. Not that the task is easy per se. But doable. I feel save. I can manage. That makes me happy.
I told my daughters that it is a great gift to know what to do at their age. And to be able to let go of the pain of yesterday's experience. To go forward without the need to look back anymore. To feel good to be able to live a life without therapists or marihuana. This is a miracle for me. Nonetheless they are aware that they have to be present and aware to keep it that way until the path is easy to walk on. That's the work you have to do by yourself.

Haha, exactly. Open borders. Thank God.