~Speaking of Seth~

Sorry i lost the link you sent me Jack so im just going to post it here + just let things sort themselves out + hope that you get it in good time.  Im crap at these things . Sorry if i mess up your site Deb oops. Anyway here it is.


  Hi Jack,

  In answer to your question about Jesus + the Christ entity , Seth said ,

  "Your Christ had abilities which I still do not have...ES5, Session 203

  I interpret this to mean;  Your Christ, as being our Jesus Christ, the one alive at that time. Seth always seemed to be quite specific when he mentioned the Christ entity + in this sentence he says your Christ + not the Christ entity. 
  Also, Seth is not at entity level so he would not be saying this about the Christ entity because it is taken for granted that this entity has many more abilities than Seth does, so logically he must mean the Jesus portion.
 
  Seth likens Jesus Christ to the inner self with the disciples as His own creations representing 12 basic human characteristics. ie,

  "Judas, for example, was not a man in your terms. He was — like all the other disciples — a blessed, created "fragment personality," formed by the Christ personality.''
  SS Part Two: Chapter 14: Session 560,

  So JC represents the inner self + Seth has said on many occasions that the inner self can be in direct contact with the entity, so I believe that JC was also at times at this level of awareness + ability. Not that Seth isn't in touch with his own entity as is obvious but JC had more abilities in this direction than Seth does or did.

  Also Seth,
      '' He was not one personality, as I have told you, but a highly developed entity, sometimes appearing as a fragment of himself."  (that being JC in this case  but the new Christ will be an advanced synthesis of the 3 John,Jesus + Paul into one . Brackets are my comments not Seths)
—SS Appendix: Session 558, November 5, 1970

  So I do think that JC had abilities that Seth himself did not have.  Did Seth heal the blind, the lepers, the paralyzed or walk on water, feed the multitudes or bi-locate ?    These are no ordinary powers but those of a fully aware inner self as the inner self is the creator of both the physical body + its environment + fully conscious of being so.

  I have the greatest respect + love for the unparalleled living philosophy Seth + Seth2 produced (+Jane + Rob) + I have no doubt that Paul/Christ will use it as a base for his own material. I also claim that if anyone can digest it in it's fullnes (or even in part) then they can attain to some serious personal illumimations + OOb experience's.    Of course it is not essential that anyone have read the material to have these experiences but it is the best + most comprehensive guidebook for such experience, anywhere in the world. It has no equal.
 
    It is good that Seth did not give specific information as to dates + places for obvious reasons.   
  As to who will recognise Him or not, this will be down to each of the personalities with whom he comes into contact + their own level of awareness + perception. But also He will be a great psychic + will easily impress the minds of others as he so chooses. He will of course perform miracles as did the previous incarnation so it will also be clear to people on this level. Again, Seth says that as Paul awakens, others will begin to awaken too + many of these will also recognise Paul for who he is + find their own place in the drama.

  Paul will probably also have his own rendition of the 12 disciples + have quite a ''following'' of his own, those who have known him before + newly illuminated personalities. I wouldn't be surprised if you were such a person due to your own apparent level of energy + interest in him. All of this energy will help him of course.
  I believe that He is alive now but not yet illumated.

  Seth says in SS ch21 I think, that all of this, meaning His emergence + his teaching, will be achieved by 2075 so many of us will hopefully be around when all this kicks off + have a part to play in its occurrence. That is my hope as I've got my viodstates to kick in his direction for his perusal + comment. But then again i might not get to meet the old boy + that will be my tough tities.
    Seth also says it will take another 100yrs or so after 2075 before it is firmly embedded into our civilization. But that is for others to deal with as i will be completely tits-up by then.  Sorry ladies to mention mammaries but my age has seen fit to grow me a pair + perhaps I'll be a hemaphrodite b4 He awakens.  Hurry up Paul I can't wait much longer, I'll be in slacks soon.

  As to those prophesizing His return , Seth said that there will be one around Calcutta +        "another will be born in Africa, a black man whose main work will be done in Indonesia. The expectations were set long ago in your terms, and will be fed by new prophets until the third personality of Christ does indeed emerge.from Seth speaks .
  I have not heard of either of these myself at this time nor of any others.

  Personaly I don't believe that the book of revelation belongs to Christs actual teachings + is more a part of old Hebrew biblical apocalyptic attitudes + beliefs.

  Therefore I do not believe that an antichrist is a reality in any other sense than that certain religious types may like to see it manifest to prove their own paranoid doctrines. Or that some other manipulative group would use these ideas for their own dodgy reasons.      I do not see the antichrist as a part of the entity's message nor any part in Paul's re-emergence as the new Christ, except the possibility that some such a farce may be enacted before Paul's awakening, by some misguided fruitcakes. 

  I dont think anyone will get anything in particular from this antichrist theme except a pain in the ass + I'm not in the least bit interested in anyone else's ideas about it , its all just a delusion as for as i am concerned.  Some of those whom you have quoted on this subject are probably very nice people but I would just pick out the positive qualities + characteristics in their writings on Christ + just trash the rest. I personally don't like to pussyfoot among the current psuedo-religious psychological lillies of the day (as Seth sort of said) + i like to just get on with the real + more positive aspects of the 3rd coming. I pay no heed to a so called antichrist, I think its rubbish. Sorry.
  I'd expect that some of these antichrist lala's are wetting their pants about what is going on with the Palestine/Israel situation at the moment. But hopefully that will be resolved in a more peaceful manner in the near future + both sides can go back home + live more harmoniously + in the brotherhood that they so obviously share.
  Seth spoke about the reincarnational memories of the slayer + the slain resufacing at this time + how they change their roles from one to the other + this might have some great practical application in this particular case.
 
  Will the new Christ appear in Jerusalem ?  I don't know but obviously there is + will be a longstanding + important connection there + I'm sure Paul will have something to say or do about it all. Which will affect the previous dramas as Seth said.

  I do not believe that we are looking for 2 men as you said Jake, + for the reasons I have given above, there is no real antichrist like there is no real devil, just some delusion that some people feel compelled to play out because of their own false or misled beliefs.

  I understand your desire to glean from these so called prophesies (that you wrote about in your post), the identity of Paul (+ the antichrist) but having read what you posted of them, I think it is a friutless + hopeless task. I would put my energies more into my own inner cultivation, using the inner senses to probe inner reality + the true source of these emanations,  rather than pay heed to any of these rather banal + inane apocalyptic ramblings. Sorry again if this offends you but in my estimation these people are unable to go beyond the limited concepts handed down to them from some other rather disturbed quasi religious + fanatical nincompoops.

  You said Jack ;
                      I have looked into my own future more than once, in more than one way, and have seen exactly what was there; even if it often did not make any sense when I was looking at it, and it only became clear when my waking now caught up to that time which was seen from in the past.  Even if I am correct to some degree in all this, I think the big lesson will still be learning to recognize and trust ourselves.

  I am glad to hear that you have clairvoyant or precognitive abilities, very good.  I think your last sentence is the most significant (I think the big lesson will still be learning to recognize and trust ourselves.)    It must always be remembered that all these things  exist as probabilities until the moment you choose to manifest them for yourself. As Seth says, we constantly navigate through infinite probabilities each moment of our lives.  We pick + choose as we go along. It all depends on what you really want to see + achieve for your own future from what is on offer in this eternal drama.  Will you gravitate toward the warring antichrist factions or those of peace + love + the eternal self, ie the new Sethians ?

  Seth says that Paul is here to start a new religion but it will not be Christian as it is today nor religion as it has been known.
  He will trash the old religions + undermine their manipulative + distorted dogmas by showing methods for each individual to get into contact with their own inner selves + entity. He will take the power away from the old rundown religious structures + place it back into the hands of the individual, where it was in the first place + as Christ taught, the kingdom of heaven is within.

  The individual will be shown his/her own immortal + eternal existence + their own relationship to All That Is.  Religion will find its true meaning as a psychic unity of individual souls that can reach much deeper into the source of all being, much more so than any one could do alone. Seths ''extral'' value or characteristic of consciousness,  the whole being more than the sum of its parts.

  These are my personal ideas on the matters you described.  My personal hope is that I may meet the new personality + banter with Him to some extent + perhaps find answers to some of my own personal conundrums about the source + the void.
Maybe even help out a little to spread the ideas.

  Anyway I'm sagging again so I'll be wishing you farewell for now Jake + hope that you find more of what you are looking for. Not the anticocksucker dipstick nonsense but the true + cosmic Paul/Christ . What a multidimensional psychedelic trip that mans head + inner reality must be, freaky deaky man , tune me right  in thats what i say, yihaaa, free trips + they're gonna call it religion, coooool.

  Hi Deb, bye Deb , have a spiffingly good day my groovy little friend.

 


 

 

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMSorry i lost the link you sent me Jack so im just going to post it here + just let things sort themselves out + hope that you get it in good time.  Im crap at these things . Sorry if i mess up your site Deb oops. Anyway here it is.

No worries.  I just thought it might be good to see if you wanted to post on this topic, and the link would get you started.

Thanks for the info on Seth's abilities vs 'Your Christ'.  I couldn't remember what Seth said, nor where I'd seen it.  Your take on it seems pretty good to me.

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMHe will of course perform miracles as did the previous incarnation so it will also be clear to people on this level.

I'm not so sure about this miracles thing.  That didn't seem to get us much last time (us meaning pretty much everybody).  Perhaps it made Jesus more well known, in the best way for that time.  But, it seems like Seth says this go round, and that you point out, Paul be about the individuals' learning.  Maybe this time the "miracles" will be experienced by and through a number of people, in different circumstances, different cultures, different countries, that have learned from whatever it is that he gets up to.  We have the travel and communications infrastructure for this to occur, unlike any time before in this civilization's history.  To me, this is how the real growth, the real change could come.  And it could scale.  And it could last.  And it would be very difficult to hide or blow off by those who'd prefer to ignore it or to hold on to the old ways.  One guy, or even one guy plus 12 others that are very close to the one guy, doing miracles would not be anywhere near as effective at fast, large scale change.  Who knows?...Maybe we get the 1 + 12 doing miracles, and tons of other people learning to do the same things.

"The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible."

I don't know of other quotes about the third personality being a great psychic, but here it's about using whatever it is he'll be able to do, to help others learn.  I'm biased; I like this idea.

Who would be the better teacher, one who says watch this cool stuff I can do, or one who says look at the cool stuff you can do now?

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMPaul will probably also have his own rendition of the 12 disciples + have quite a ''following'' of his own, those who have known him before + newly illuminated personalities. I wouldn't be surprised if you were such a person due to your own apparent level of energy + interest in him.

I can't be very good at any precognition, 'cause I sure didn't see that coming.  I will take that as quite the complement.  A smarter man would quit typing while he was ahead, but where's the fun in that?

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMI believe that He is alive now but not yet illumated.

I believe he's alive now, and knows exactly what he's got to get done.  The probable timing of events, to my mind, would require this by now.  But, I seriously doubt that he's gone through the "metamorphosis" that Seth describes where the three personality groupings form a new psychic entity.  Maybe that's what you mean by his not being illuminated yet, or maybe you mean he has no idea what he's signed up for, and has a job as an Investment Advisor 'cause for some unknown reason he's good at predicting the stock market (or something like that).

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMPersonaly I don't believe that the book of revelation belongs to Christs actual teachings + is more a part of old Hebrew biblical apocalyptic attitudes + beliefs.

  Therefore I do not believe that an antichrist is a reality in any other sense than that certain religious types may like to see it manifest to prove their own paranoid doctrines. Or that some other manipulative group would use these ideas for their own dodgy reasons.      I do not see the antichrist as a part of the entity's message nor any part in Paul's re-emergence as the new Christ, except the possibility that some such a farce may be enacted before Paul's awakening, by some misguided fruitcakes.

Revelations, religion, groups or individuals that think an Antichrist is required to appear before the "second coming" are not important to my way of trying to understand what's coming.

What does get my attention is the multitude of sources of images of one guy who makes things worse, and one guy who makes things better.  It's quite possible we, the global we, set up two frameworks, one for each.  There are enough images and energy behind both that seem to indicate the main players in both frameworks have a high probability of existing in some form in our global reality.  The trick, for me, is to try to see behind the filters of those who have presented the images and ideas, to find the common threads, the odd thing that shows up in multiple places from multiple sources.  From my experience, images and intuitive knowing can start out quite accurate and then just get trashed from my/our filters.

One of the visions of the future, the one by Jeanne Dixon, where she's seeing an Egyptian Pharaoh, Nefertiti, and a baby covered with tattered and dirty clothing, is a great example of what might be a fairly informative image, that gets whacked by filters (in my opinion).  Dixon followed the Catholic faith - so no reincarnation.  In her world it was only Jesus the good guy, and Satan the bad guy.  And since the scene and people of the vision were clearly Egyptian, this baby that will change the world, must be a direct (physical) descendant of Egyptian royalty, and he's likely born in the Middle East.  If it were my vision, I'd toss out all that and wonder what's really going on here.  I would think the presentation of the people shows something about their "past" lives in and around Egypt's history.  I'd suspect that the lives that connect to Egypt are directly related to this time, our time, and that all three of those people are here, or have been here very recently, the baby being the reincarnation of Paul.  Since there doesn't appear to be any built-in nationalism in reincarnation, they could have been born anywhere.  I seriously doubt any of them would have been born anywhere in the Middle East.  That's been done.

Which brings me to something I just realized this week.  I find it interesting that all of these people I referred to in my original post, lived at least part of their lives on or near the East Coast of the USA, which is where I've spent most of my life, in pretty much the same or nearby areas; Virginia, Western, Eastern & Northern (Edgar Cayce, Paul Solomon, Joe McMoneagle, Jeanne Dixon, Ruth Montgomery), Florida (Joe McMoneagle (born in Miami), Ruth Montgomery lived in Ft. Myers).  Maybe I found out about them just due to the proximity; maybe it's something else; hard to say.

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMI pay no heed to a so called antichrist, I think its rubbish. Sorry.

Definitely no need to be sorry.  If everyone's thinking matched mine, life would be pretty much a waste of time.  Besides, what's that phase? ...One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Quote from: voidypaul on October 24, 2023, 04:18:26 PMThese are my personal ideas on the matters you described.  My personal hope is that I may meet the new personality + banter with Him to some extent + perhaps find answers to some of my own personal conundrums about the source + the void.
Maybe even help out a little to spread the ideas.

I appreciate that you share your ideas, and I agree with a good bit of what you've said in this post.  Seems to me you're quite likely yourself to end up working with him based on your interest and energy.  I am curious, do you have anything specific you think you'd like to do to "help out a little to spread the ideas", beyond what you are already doing, i.e., participating on this site and whatever else you may be doing?

@voidypaul

Hi there, I'm reading your post with interest. And I love it 😀. I wanted to write my thoughts bevore reading the answers to not confuse the different aspects...
I was indeed very busy and haven't read anything on this platform since a while, so I was really happy about this post.
For one : as I am 60 now I realized that the "second or third coming of Christ" ist far away. I'm thinking about coming again to experience this. But oh, I'll be another person and will perceive all what's happening totally different. Hmmm....
Second : the first thought that crossed my mind was the so called golden age when looking from another perspective. The age of aquarius which is now, is showing all the signs of revealing and so and would fit 😉😁
Third : we, as in my daughters and me, took an ayahuasca trip which was quite revealing too. I don't want to go into detail now. But it is all quite fitting in the tendency to change the game of all the old religious ideas and the way our government is choosing to deal with it all. Here in Germany we - of course thinking of our past - stand with Israel, which is quite one sided. The nearest war is playing in front of our doorstep - Ukraine - and we still react the old way..... The new generation will go in a new direction I'm sure. Ayahuasca is a trend and what everyone on such a trip is experiencing is of course very different and individual. But over all it is the message that love will prevail. Which indeed is the main point. And doing such a trip one can't forget the experience meeting with oneself. I hope this is a lesson everyone will take home. And I hope no matter where we meet with our self's, if it is with the Seth books or such trips, we come to an understanding. That we are the one creating.

Very good post, thank you 🙏💫😊

     Hi Jack,  I hope you are well + thanks for the reply.

   You said that ;  this miracles thing.  That didn't seem to get us much last time .   

   It got us the worlds largest religion. As Seth says this was greatly due to influence from the dream world as Christ as He lived was not known personally by many in his time. Miracles are miracles Jack + would impress any intelligent person, then or now. He was not just an illusionist as we have today but a great + powerful psychic with more abilities than even our dearly beloved Seth.

   You make a very good point;       ''Maybe this time the "miracles" will be experienced by and through a number of people, in different circumstances, different cultures, different countries''
       
   Yes I totally agree with you, + I would imagine that He might make use of His psychic ability to bi-locate quite extensively. Probably He will be a very shrewd + pragmatic person + may wish to keep His own location a secret for obvious reasons + may appear to one or many people in different ways + in different locations, even at the same time. But always preserving  or protecting the physical body wherever it may be.
   Seth said that He would again be relatively unknown, but if He is to change or undermine all major religions then He will in many ways be a very busy + well known personality indeed.   Using bi-location He can protect himself + also appear  to whomever He wants, wherever He wants + whenever He wants , He will even affect the the previous ''dramas'' across time.       Cooooool .  A GREAT PSYCHIC, with everything that this entails, He will completely blow our tiny little minds of that I have no doubt.

   Will He use the internet or other electronic communications or travel physically throughout the world ?   I don't know.  They would be able to trace His whereabouts in this way + I don't think He would want this, nor for His ''followers''. In my speculations + imagination I think He will protect Himself and the new religion by completely outwitting + confounding any potential adversaries even in powerful places + positions of ''authority''.  I think He must be like a fox in this respect as I'm sure that some would want Him removed. 
   In other terms, I think when He does appear to people + affects them in the deeply magical + mystical way that He most certainly will, then this will of course go buzzing around the electronic mediums as they do now.  There will obviously be people who will go out into the world as did the disciples + they will also be endowed with psychic power + energy given them by this new Christ, + many others will ''wake up'' + join in the emotional + psychic release of energy that will in some way affect all peoples in all times as they remember their past affiliations + reincarnational relationships. It will be a time of light in the world + enlightenment of the world + all it's people's + will start the first truly world religion.   
   
  I hope that you will be a part of this awakening Jack as I would wish that upon any person of good intent, your energy + deeply enquiring character + natural inclination in this matter may well be from interactions in the past that brought you into this life at this time for this reason.  We will surely know when He awakens + calls out psychically to those most dear to Him. As I said I hope it is so for you, I also hope it will be so, in some small way for me (+ Deb too) but who knows, I can only wish + pray for the best that is yet to come. 

  You said ;      '' I seriously doubt that he's gone through the "metamorphosis" that Seth describes where the three personality groupings form a new psychic entity.  Maybe that's what you mean by his not being illuminated yet, ''
 
  Yes that is what I mean. I doubt that He will be an ''Investment Advisor'' as you thoerised but think He will come from the ''common'' stock + live in relatively ordinary circumstances.

  You said ;     ''What does get my attention is the multitude of sources of images of one guy who makes things worse, and one guy who makes things better.''

  Seth said that ''man'' is beset by a sense of duality where he cannot imagine a good without a corresponding bad/evil + that this is one of his most unfortunate distortions along with his concept of time as a continuity . Man generally thinks that there is a separate soul + a separate physical being living in an environment that is separate from himself  + Seth goes to great lengths to try + dissuade us of these dualistic delusions because it creates in man a separation where none exists + even that such dualism can create an area of human consciousness where such demons + devils may then SEEM to exist , but is only in our minds + the dogmas of the distorted religions. ,
  But it is not a reality in terms of the true psychic/spiritual dimensions from which we all come + there is no devil + there is no evil there, or even here, only what we create ourselves.   
  So I only pay heed to the true + positive non-dual aspects of Seths teachings + of Christ's emergence + the antichrist loonys can just stick it in their pipes as far as I am comcerned. Yes some may use it as they do now, or in other ways but they are deluded by false beliefs of paranoid or fanatical religious #$^&*^&, dogma? or an unstable mind.          I pay no attention to them except in exasperation + disbelief + a certain amount of sadness that it has come to this, + some despondency when I'm feeling a little low. These limiting beliefs + their effects can be quite corrosive to consciousness + cause paranoia + hatreds where they do not need to exist so I try to avoid them whilst still recognizing that a great many people like to indulge themselves in such madness.
   There are many people with many differing views as you mentioned + I have read some of them but always I return to Seth's philosophy + I always will.You also spoke about distortions in vairious religions etc but Seth as he said, has kept the distotions in the seth material to a minimum because of his position ''outside '' of our reality + because of the particular ways in which he used Janes own consciousness when she ''went'' elsewhere.  His is the most origional + the best spiritual philosophy possible in the world today + is without equal.
   Your area on or near the east coast may be an area where Seth's co-ordinate points intersect + be a strongly psychic area, if so that is good for you if you are of a positive disposition.

 You said, after I trashed the antichrist + apologised for any hurt feelings ;       
 ''Definitely no need to be sorry.  If everyone's thinking matched mine, life would be pretty much a waste of time.  Besides, what's that phase? ...One man's trash is another man's treasure.''
 
  This most important + good sense of equanimity is an asset of yours or anyone who has it I'd say.

  You said ;         ''I appreciate that you share your ideas, and I agree with a good bit of what you've said in this post.''

   Likewise my friend. 

  And ;             ''Seems to me you're quite likely yourself to end up working with him based on your interest and energy.  I am curious, do you have anything specific you think you'd like to do to "help out a little to spread the ideas", beyond what you are already doing, i.e., participating on this site and whatever else you may be doing?''

   My main interest is in the voidstates that I once experienced, a little too esoteric for most I'm afraid, even if Seth does describe them in his own brilliant way (but sparingly + not easy to fathom) + which has helped me immensely in my understanding of these things. Unfortunately quite unlike the Buddhists with their formless jhana's who like to remain mute on the subject, or worse. Very odd indeed. 
   Perhaps I will meet this new Christ personality, I don't know. But I hope that if I do, we can have an exchange of sorts, hopefully psychic + to do with the void hahahehehoho trippy time . As to whether I will work for Him + the ''cause'' or if there is anything specific that I would like to do, as I said my interests are mainly of an esoteric nature + I'm not sure if this is what He wants or can use, I'll just wait + see.

  Peace + love ...
   




   

   
   Hi Doro, nice to hear from you I too have had lenghty absence's from this site so I'll have to try a little bit harder. 
 
  Anyway you said ;              ''I am 60 now I realized that the "second or third coming of Christ" ist far away. I'm thinking about coming again to experience this. But oh, I'll be another person and will perceive all what's happening totally different. Hmmm''

  In reply to you,
  1) I am 64 + have no children.
  2) Because Seth has said that the new Christ will have arisen + established His new religion by 2075, Seth speaks ch21

   '' He will undermine religious organizations not unite them, his message will be that of the individual in relation to ATI + he will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity (mans mediator with ATI) by 2075 all of this will be already accomplished ''

  It all depends on what your interpretation of what ''already accomplished '' might be. For me Seth is obviously saying that Paul will have definitely made himself known + both imparted + established his new religion by 2075. But will Paul still be alive by then, Seth does not say.   How long this will take is the only real main question for me. Will this take 10yrs, 20 or 30 ? To accomplish the setting up of a world wide religion seems a lengthy task to me so I live in the hope that His actual emergence will occur before I have left this world. And so i would hope that you also will be here to witness or take part in it personally too . This may be cutting it fine for us oldies but I believe that He is alive now, so I am forever hopeful.
  Others may disagree but it seems pretty clear to me.
   
   I would agree that the age of aquarius is the new age that this Christ is ushering in. Nice.

  3) You said ;   '' my daughters and me, took an ayahuasca trip which was quite revealing too.''

  It seems to me that you must have a very good relationship with your daughters to have shared such an experience. My compliments to you all for having achieved such a deep level of trust + spiritual insight together, unusual but very fortunate, as you come across as a reasonable + level headed person.  Good luck to you all on your shared + individual expansions. I would be interested in hearing more about your interests + experience's if you are willing.
 
  My mother was an Austrian woman + you have been interesting + complimentary in your post + because we come from a similar era,  I will say,
  In my youth I took many lsd trips perhaps a thousand or so over a 20 to 30 odd year period. I took my first trip when i was 13, young + naive + full of life + expectation.  I sort of perfected my trips with yoga + meditations of an intuitive nature + at 24 i had a rather massive experience of what i call the void-states. The Buddhists call these the immaterial jhanas + Seth simply states that this is the undifferentiated area or level of consciousness though he only mentions the word void  once in his writings.     
  I have not taken any sort of psychedelics for about 20yrs as the process of assimilation has been quite arduous at times but which must be done without drugs.
  I completely agree with Seth in his warnings about using such drugs especially for the uninitiated, they can be quite dangerous + great caution should be observed before using such mind altering substances. But he does go on to say that the psychedelic experience can be most fruitful + can lead those with some inner cultivation, to experience's that go beyond the normal ranges of such drugs, even into other systems of reality entirely.

  You said;     ''Here in Germany we - of course thinking of our past - stand with Israel, which is quite one sided. The nearest war is playing in front of our doorstep - Ukraine - and we still react the old way''

   Bloody stupid wars by bloody stupid politicians, war mongers + profiteers. Your generation should have no guilt for what your parents did nor especially your sons + daughters they had nothing to do with it , the sins of the fathers should not be carried by their offspring.  Theirs is the chance to change as Seth says + so they have, well most have.
   And there is karma, perhaps finished, for those who suffer such atrocities, as Seth said, most of the Jews were once Huns of a most vicious + barbaric nature. Some Jews actually accept this but reincarnation is not well known or accepted by the mainstream Jewish culture. They will learn as we all will, the truth of such things.
   

  you said ;   ''But over all it is the message that love will prevail. Which indeed is the main point. And doing such a trip one can't forget the experience meeting with oneself. ''

  Exactly + Pauls overall message will be this as it was with Jesus.
  Yes, how could one ever forget an intimate merging of one's outer/material ego-oriented self with their own true inner self, It is a truly magical + mystical event + you feel the Divine spirit that pervades all.  We are all gods as Jesus said. I'm glad for you or anyone who has achieved such a state of grace. It is our true nature.
 The inner becomes the outer + vice-versa, + there is no end to the explorations of consciousness + what can be in this world.

  peace + love









 
 
   





   






















       

Hi @voidypaul

You wrote :

'' He will undermine religious organizations not unite them, his message will be that of the individual in relation to ATI + he will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity (mans mediator with ATI) by 2075 all of this will be already accomplished ''

Yes, I guess I am yearning to live at that time by now and just skip the process. Even if knowing what's going on might be indeed very interesting. Ah well guess I'm just tired of live at the moment....

You wrote :
[...] His actual emergence will occur before I have left this world. And so i would hope that you also will be here to witness or take part in it personally too . This may be cutting it fine for us oldies but I believe that He is alive now, so I am forever hopeful.

Yes ofc you are right. All the signs are there I've never thought about it. It is obvious looking from the right perspective. Thanks for pointing it out. I guess I'm holding on – ok, try to control – too much things right now and loosing the main point... this is why I love this platform 😉 there's always someone reminding me, discussing helpful questions and sharing thoughts.

You wrote :
It seems to me that you must have a very good relationship with your daughters to have shared such an experience. My compliments to you all for having achieved such a deep level of trust + spiritual insight together, unusual but very fortunate, as you come across as a reasonable + level headed person.

Ah well. The story behind our very close relationship and all what comes with it is not a happy one. My ex husband, narcissist and psychopath, waiting for his sentence in court, did a cruel job on us. It was a long way finding our way – not THE way for there are ofc multiple possibilities – and it lead to a deeper understanding of spirituality and forged a very strong bond between us. I am very thankful that we had the courage to take ayahuasca as in : omg, finally.
Until these trips marihuana was a helpful bridge to calm down and freeing us from antidepressants. Wi were brought up pretty conservative and lsd was something that only US peoples took to become addicted.
My first ayahuasca trip was this year in the NL and after me my daughters went there too. I don't want to judge all retreats without a real shaman because it gave me insights and peace in different areas – and no it was no flower power trip, she (Aya I will call her/it) took me to war and I actually slaughtered and there I found peace.
Meanwhile my youngest daughter went to a retreat in Germany with a shaman from the Amazon and she experienced, ja well, how can I put it? Answers, healing, clear vision of her (future) life. Today actually my eldest daughter is in Spain starting her trip with shamans too. And I can say that without a ayahusquerian /shaman it is very difficult to perceive healing. They are building a bridge between the ,,worlds". They take ayahuasca as well and they get ,,instructions ,,how to help you during your journey. As in, for example, whispering to you or singing over you to give you direction during your trip to allow you to communicate with ,,her"and, well, to assist you during your trip. It's kind of hard to explain but I think you get the picture.
From suicide to a joyful life with a plan, this sounds great for me. A tool given to us. And I'm sure there are many others to use and I'm thankful for it.
And this is the story behind our closeness, our love to each other between mother and daughters and between sisters 😊

You wrote :

... + at 24 i had a rather massive experience of what i call the void-states. The Buddhists call these the immaterial jhanas + Seth simply states that this is the undifferentiated area or level of consciousness though he only mentions the word void  once in his writings.
     
I'm definitely not there yet. I still have to learn to relax and trust. I'm on it!

You wrote :
  I have not taken any sort of psychedelics for about 20yrs as the process of assimilation has been quite arduous at times but which must be done without drugs.

Yes, I can imagine that. Doing ayahuasca you shouldn't take drugs too. Psilocybin is a great door to see, feel and understand Ourselves and All That Is. Until we don't need that crutches anymore.
Yoga is definitely a great way. I only see it what it does to my daughters like I feel not good without my yoga in the morning. Or when my youngest daughter implemented morning walks in nature after her last retreat. I'm not really sure what is holding me still back. Guess I know I just have to be still for a while and listen....

You wrote :
I have not taken any sort of psychedelics for about 20yrs as the process of assimilation has been quite arduous at times...

Can you tell me what you mean by the process of assimilation?

You wrote :
We are all gods as Jesus said. I'm glad for you or anyone who has achieved such a state of grace. It is our true nature.
 The inner becomes the outer + vice-versa, + there is no end to the explorations of consciousness + what can be in this world.

Amen to that! Peace and love to you too.
Dorothea

P.S : is a coincidence that your name is Paul? 😁

Hi voidypaul,

Quote from: voidypaul on November 04, 2023, 10:30:36 AMYou said that ;  this miracles thing.  That didn't seem to get us much last time .   

   It got us the worlds largest religion.

Yes. Exactly.  This is exactly what I meant by "...That didn't seem to get us much last time."  From my view, and clearly from the view of many people, the current "worlds largest religion" doesn't seem to be getting us much now, or from the time of its birth.  Certainly, like all religions, it has aspects most would call positive, like building community, occasionally giving some people hope, sometimes helping people in need, etc., etc.   But from my view the distortions, the oppression, the constant insistence on controlling everything, the lies and the abuse outweigh anything positive by a wide margin.  Certainly, if learning is the primary activity on our little planet, then this "worlds largest religion" was and is quite the success, as we have learned all manner of things, much of which you'd think no one would be too excited to learn, at least when viewed from our level here.  If the bar for success is whether the religion contributed to the understanding of life on a higher and more clear level than before while we're at this level, and whether it has contributed to decidedly improved lives for most of its adherents and anyone that comes in contact with the religion, again at this level here on earth, then it was and is one of the most colossal failures of our civilization.  Even though I understand the long term growth value of the sometimes impossibly difficult learning this religion has presented, I can't help but prefer short and long term better outcomes for all involved, for the "here and now" at the level of physical life on our little planet.  And of course Seth says one of the reasons for Paul to be here, now or soon or whenever, is that he was not satisfied with his efforts from the beginning of this religion, and he's coming back for the corrections (more or less).

As far as keeping the reincarnation of Paul's location and identity a secret, everybody's been doing that for decades.  By "everybody", I mean Seth, and anyone else who's "seen" him coming.  They are not spilling the beans!  But based on what he's supposed to get done, it makes sense that at some point lots of people will know his identity and where he is, but not "who" he is from Seth's point of view.  Hard to say when and how that will happen.  Should be interesting.

I don't really think the reincarnation of Paul is currently an Investment Advisor; that was just the first silly thing that came to mind.  If would be funny though, especially if he was good at predicting stocks and even he didn't know why.  My ex-fiancee is my best friend now, and she says I'm not as funny as I think I am, so there's that.   But, she does seem to laugh a lot almost every time we talk.

Oh, before I forget, I fit right into this "old folks" conversation.  Doro said she is 60; you said you're "64+ and have no children", and I am also 64+ and I have no wife, no children, and no ex-wives.  I guess you'd say I have a "low mileage" life.  I'll be 65 early next year.  Can't wait until then, since I'll be a Senior Citizen by pretty much every definition in the US.  I think it's funny that I've actually made it this far.  From what I know of some of my past lives, I tend to have earlier, more dramatic exits.  To me, anything past 40 years old this time around is a bonus - I thought I'd be done with what I needed to get done by around 40-42.  Guess not.

I do hope that if you meet or interact somehow on a physical level with this new reincarnation of Paul, that you get to clearly identify him for yourself very consciously here and now.

As far as whether he would know anything about the void states you've experienced or be interested in developing something based on either researching them or doing something around them - teaching or going there or whatever, I have absolutely no idea at this point.  These void states are currently "way above my pay grade".

Maybe I'll get a "raise" someday.

But for now, I gotta get back to concentrating hard on the work I feel like I need to get done in my little here and now, so I may not get by here (this forum) as often as I'd like.  I'm sure I'll find time to take a quick peek at recent posts occasionally though.  It's a cool and interesting place to spend time, when the time is there to spend.

Hi Jack

You wrote :
"Oh, before I forget, I fit right into this "old folks" conversation.  Doro said she is 60; you said you're "64+ and have no children", and I am also 64+ and I have no wife, no children, and no ex-wives.  I guess you'd say I have a "low mileage" life.  I'll be 65 early next year.  Can't wait until then, since I'll be a Senior Citizen by pretty much every definition in the US.  I think it's funny that I've actually made it this far.  From what I know of some of my past lives, I tend to have earlier, more dramatic exits.  To me, anything past 40 years old this time around is a bonus - I thought I'd be done with what I needed to get done by around 40-42.  Guess not."


    As I understood Seth, every life is sort of lived at the same moment bc time and space only exists in our time frame. So maybe a part of Yourself just didn't want to "go" so early. Maybe you wanted to meet with Paul, @voidypaul and me. So please wait just a little bit longer. It would be cool to talk about things and drinking coffee, laughing and joking 😁


"I do hope that if you meet or interact somehow on a physical level with this new reincarnation of Paul, that you get to clearly identify him for yourself very consciously here and now."

    That is my wish too. Didn't Seth say we create our own reality. Ah here we go. We just need to imagine how it will unfold 😉
See you in the next few years Jack😎

Doro

Hi there Doro,

Quote from: Doro on November 10, 2023, 02:42:16 AMMaybe you wanted to meet with Paul, @voidypaul and me. So please wait just a little bit longer. It would be cool to talk about things and drinking coffee, laughing and joking 😁
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See you in the next few years Jack😎

Sounds like fun to me!