There may be potential evidence that has not been discussed yet under this topic.Summary (TL;DR):Maybe evidence of the return of Paul can be linked to someone who is said by some to come before him. Some call this first person the Antichrist; some do not. Figuring out who this person is (assuming he really exists) could give us a time frame for Paul's emergence. According to several prophets, both should already be here, and one should be well known by now. And maybe there will be some interaction between these two people that is tied to an unusual global event, defined in various ways over the years by various prophets, which might provide further evidence of Paul's appearance if/when this event occurs.
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I am not an expert on Seth, or on any of the related things I'm interested in that have led to these comments.
However, after having learned from personal experience that time is not linear and the future can be seen and described to some degree, I have been looking at this topic for a while now.
The first point to make is perhaps obvious. In the framework in which we exist, the majority of us will not recognize the reincarnated Paul for who he is, at least not while he's alive. Consider all the things you've heard and read, whether from the Christian Bible, or from Seth, or from another source. People will not generally know who this reincarnation of Paul is; even if they know the man personally, they may not recognize him. Seth specifically said he will not generally be known for who he is. Seth would not present a name, a country of birth, or a date of birth. It's clear, it's just not going to be obvious who this person is, and there seems to be some amount of control, or direct guidance if you will, from the higher levels on keeping this knowledge mostly hidden. However, Seth said he will generally not be known for who he is. Generally. Seth didn't say "not a single person will know him for who he is in this drama". So maybe a few of us will know who he is, and maybe even meet him or even work with him.
It seems to me Paul will be working with a lot of people over time, even if few of those people realize who he is in this drama. Some of those people will likely come from communities trying to understand life better, such as the one built around this website and its forums. While it's fascinating to try to figure out when he will emerge, who he might be, and what he might be like, maybe the most important thing is to keep trying to understand life better, and to do what we can to help bring about the future life I think many of us see in Seth's words.
I believe Seth said something along the lines of other prophets have been, and will continue to be, describing what is to come, and who. So perhaps we may look at various sources to see where to find our evidence of the return of Paul. It would seem that each prophet would have some pieces of the puzzle; some would overlap; some would have a piece only provided by them, and might skip over pieces clearly defined elsewhere. Each would have some clarity, some omissions, and some obscurity and distortion, to mask their descriptions of events so that we may learn. Each would have people who relate to their words. But, if we were to be given all the details with undeniable clarity and accuracy, what then would we learn? Perhaps each prophet has a precise set of ideas to put forth, a part of the whole, with a bit of distortion (probably intentional from a higher level) to keep it from being too easy.
Think about it. Distortion. It has its uses in educating us all. I believe Seth said the "second coming" is quite distorted as described in the Christian religion. Further, he said that Paul's tendencies 2,000 years ago were known at a higher level. Those tendencies were necessary or useful, and they helped lead to the Christian religion developing in a certain way that eventually included distortions. And this was according to plan in some way. To me, this indicates those tendencies towards distortions were appropriate in the framework that created Christianity, so we would learn from what became the Christian religion. So Distortion, with a capital "D" is part of the curriculum on our little planet schoolroom.
If we consider the distortion that, by design, is likely built into each prophet's revelations, we have to put a puzzle of evidence together wherein some pieces just don't fit. And they don't fit by design - not by design or intention of the prophet at our level here, but maybe at the prophet's entity's higher level, or at the level of the design of our framework. However, I think if we work at it and try to feel it out, we can learn to understand that which fits and has light in it, and how to ignore that which does not. It's a kind of "reading between the lines". This is not a particularly straightforward or scientific method, but it has helped me feel like I have improved my understanding of some of the puzzle over time.
A consideration for us, and maybe for the reincarnated Paul, might be this: what distortions will this reincarnation of Paul bring this time? Certainly from Seth's description, the results of Paul's adventures will not be so "bad" this go-round (as compared to the life created around the Christian religion, with all the activities and ideas connected to it that don't seem very "Christian"). We can hope "Paul's second coming" will be a "good thing", while still keeping our awareness as to it being simply another step in our curriculum on our planet. Of course "good" and "bad" in this context are simply a common way of describing something that doesn't exist, yet might be perceived that way on our level.
A lot of the thinking around this reincarnation of Paul, "the second coming", revolves around the Christian religion and a particular event. So what does that religion say?
This area is one of my many weak points. The distortions of time, translations, and manipulations are so strong it's hard for me to be too interested in the Christian religion, even though I believe there was more light in it when it was young than there is now. My somewhat limited knowledge of it at least tells me we are expecting not one, but two primary people to show up at the "second coming".
The Christian religion's two people are The Antichrist and Christ. I believe their prophecy shows the Antichrist will be hard to distinguish from their version of Christ, at least at first. I think they show that the Antichrist and Christ will interact while in physical form. Their event is the "rapture", but it's not likely to be as described and their explanations of it don't seem to relate at all to what Seth has described for our future. But, I suspect there was once more light behind what was seen and what was written. Their prophets were looking quite far into the future, with no context as to what they were seeing. Then there's time, translations, manipulations and distortions added one upon the other.
And what do some other prophets say?
Seth: I don't know that I've come across anything from him about two people. However, his description of Paul, both in the past and for this new emergence, is amazing in its depth and what seems to be clarity. I don't recall Seth tying Paul's return to any unusual and specific events.
Ruth Montgomery (on Wikipedia.com): Her two people are The Antichrist and I think eventually the Christ (it's been quite a while since I read her books, and I no longer have them). Her event seems tied to what she describes as the "axis shift". I don't remember if she put a time frame on her prediction, but it seems like her Antichrist was going to show up in the 1990's, and maybe become more well known a little later. I believe the book having a pretty good description of the Antichrist was "Herald of a New Age". Here's a forum post with some
quotes about him from her book "The World to Come" (projectavalon.net) (search on "anti-christ"). Her event is partially
described in her book, "Strangers Among Us" (links to rense.com for a section from the book):
"It is like a marvelous solar flare that would bring all out of their houses to watch, and to tell their grandchildren about..."Jeane Dixon (on Wikipedia.com): The Antichrist and the Christ (it's also been a long time since I read books on her, and I no longer have them either). Her prediction is from an unusual vision which may also describe a coming event. Her vision tied this upcoming drama to ancient Egyptian times, and to Joseph and dreams. In Ruth Montgomery's book on Jeane Dixon, "A Gift of Prophecy", it seems Dixon understood her vision to be referring to the second of the two (Christ). It was
"The vision which Jeane Dixon considers to be the most significant and soul-stirring of her life". If I remember correctly, in
"My Life and Prophecies: Her Own Story as Told to Rene Noorbergen" (amazon.com) she reversed herself and said her prior vision was about the Antichrist. I got the impression Jeane Dixon's changed interpretation might have been heavily filtered.
Here is a copy of Dixon's vision from "A Gift of Prophecy" (greatdreams.com). It has some typing errors in it, but I think it's a pretty accurate copy of the vision.
In the vision, Dixon says this child was born on February 5, 1962. It seems she based this birth date on having the vision on that day. This would make him 56 years old in 2018. She said
"I knew within my heart. "here is the beginning of wisdom"".
She goes on to say
"Before the close of the century he will bring together all mankind in one all-embracing faith. This will be the foundation of a new Christianity, with every sect and creed united through this man who will walk among the people to spread the wisdom of the Almighty Power".
This sounds something like what Seth says the drama around the reincarnated Paul will be. Seth says he replaces religions by undermining them, Dixon says they all get united. In the end, the result might be kind of the same thing, so maybe they are referring to the same person in the same drama.
She then says
"His power will grow greatly until 1999, at which time the people of this earth will probably discover the full meaning of the vision." So either her timing is off or she's completely wrong. Timing is hard, so maybe later she will be shown to be correct if she and Seth are describing the same drama. If she got the birth date anywhere near correct, her protagonist only has so much time left, so this may help us narrow the time frame for the reincarnated Paul to emerge.
The coming event could be related to this part of her vision:
"Just above the horizon was the brightest sun that she had ever seen, glowing like a golden ball. Splashing from the orb in every direction were brilliant rays which seemed to be drawing the earth toward it like a magnet."Paul Solomon (on Wikipedia.com): He described the coming of one person and a counter to that person, a man he calls John Peniel. Solomon doesn't say John Peniel is the reincarnation of Paul, but rather of John the Beloved. But he seems to give him the same mission in life, so perhaps this is some of that "useful" distortion I mentioned above. From my view, Paul Solomon's John Peniel and Seth's reincarnation of Paul may be one and the same.
Solomon also describes an unusual globally significant event occurring while his two predicted men are alive.
In this reading (wisdomofsolomon.com), Solomon says John Peniel appears after the Antichrist appears, and like other prophets and the Christian religion, he says they'll be hard to tell apart:
"He will, however, become a leader of light, only when that one who appears as a savior (anti-Christ). When he appears, John also will appear as his adversary. But it will be difficult for you to know at first, the one from the other."Solomon goes on to say he will rise to prominence fairly fast:
"And John will make himself known sometime after the 2nd battle has begun to rage. And he will be seven years in making himself known about the earth to the extent that he will be considered a figure of international import."In this reading (wisdomofsolomon.com), Solomon again says they will difficult to tell apart:
"There will come two, then, who appear as saviors. This, then, will be the difficulty, to distinguish who is the world savior."In the same reading, in the same paragraph, Solomon goes on to discuss the event:
"During the time of this bloodshed or confusion, look for another event which will distract the attention of the entire world. This is a celestial event, the coming of a light from the sky. This event will be so great in magnitude as to distract the attention of the world from war and from fighting. It will give to all men common cause, greater than that which is the concern of the war. For it will seem to every man that the very existence of the earth will be endangered.
His light as it comes in the sky will be brighter than that of the Sun. Because of the magnitude, the Sun will appear to turn black. It will be as if it had collapsed giving its power to that which comes.
Then two will stand, one drawing attention to himself as [if] he were a savior of the world. He will seem to have answers and means of protection. His approach will be one which will attempt to destroy the incoming object.
Then you will know the savior by the fact that His attention is turned to the individual. It will seem foolish to most that man will be invited to accept and to welcome the incoming light."This could relate to Seth's description of Paul's work having to do with the individual.
As far as evidence for the return of Paul, here is another time frame clue. There is one reading I've seen, which I haven't been able to find again, where Solomon says John Peniel is not aware of his identity at this time. This would indicate that Seth's returning Paul was alive at the time of that reading. Paul Solomon died in 1994, so Seth's returning Paul would have to be at least about 24 years old as of 2018.
Here (again) is the Wikipedia page on Paul Solomon (wikipedia.com). See the section heading "John of Peniel and the Second Coming", which refers to this reading, but has nothing in the footnotes that link to that exact reading. (I'm not referring to the
reading where Solomon says Peniel will realize his own identity when he opens the Hall of Records (wisdomonofsolomon.com), but to another reading I can't find now.)
On page 6 of a PDF from a
Solomon reading in 1988 (paulsolomon.com), he again indicates John Peniel was alive during Solomon's lifetime, further narrowing the time frame of Peniel's life:
"Now understand that the one we refer to as John [Peniel] is not necessarily a single man upon whom is placed the burden for bringing a New Order of life to the earth, although such a man does exist. The reincarnation of John the Beloved walks upon the earth in this time."This would make John Peniel, or the reincarnated Paul, at least around 30 years old in 2018.
Further aging Peniel is this reading, #0101, done in 1972, which would make him at least around 46 years old in 2018, [see the first reading
here (wisdomofsolomon.com). Reading #0101 also shows the same restrictions Seth had on revealing Paul's identity.
"John, the Beloved, lives, and is this day on your plane. That which would identify him would not be given at this time. For he will present himself to you at such time as is expedient, both for his welfare and for yours."On the above link containing reading #0101, is a second reading, #0850, which says Peniel is not his given name:
"He will be called John. The last name is not by birth Peniel, but that name adopted for its meaning "where I met Him face to face." And (he) will use that name in the ministry and will be known of men not because of his use of the name, but because of his teaching and his work among men."If Solomon's John Peniel is the same person as Jeane Dixon's Christ and Seth's reincarnating Paul, he's been around a while.
I am aware of at least couple of people who either publicly claim to be John Peniel, or use a version of the name, and have discussed the possibility they are the one who is predicted to come.
One, Jon Peniel, wrote some books and taught. I think his most known book was "The Children of the Law of One and the Lost Teachings of Atlantis". He died in 2002, so it seems he was probably not the one Cayce or Solomon was talking about, unless they are referring to what is really two different people. (Here's what appears to have been
his site (atlantis.to); search the page for "death".)
Here's a page about this Peniel (gatheringspot.net) that includes an Edgar Cayce reading about a John Peniel.
Another one, John Davis, uses the name John of Peniel in his work. He's still alive.
Here's an interview with John Davis (beliefnet.com).
Here's his business website (corporateactionhero.com).
Here's an Amazon link to a book about him (I haven't read it).
Joseph McMoneagle (on Wikipedia.com): In the "The Jesus Transcripts" from his book "The Ultimate Time Machine", he mentioned two time tracks intersecting and this being part of the reason this Jesus was reincarnating at various times here. This intersecting of two time tracks might be the celestial event Paul Solomon described, the Bible's "rapture", and Jeanne Dixon's earth moving towards the brightest sun she'd ever seen. Two time tracks intersecting. This time track intersection may even be related to Ruth Montgomery's axis shift. Time and time tracks must involve energy. If two intersect, perhaps one will be different and the handling of it might involve a better understanding of energy and light, which could relate to what Solomon's John Peniel proposes in the future.
Here's a quote from the section from McMoneagle's book about the two time tracks intersecting, where "this cogent Being" refers to Jesus:
"Joe: I just keyed into something else now that's really interesting. The coming together of two realities, isn't too far off in the . . . ah . . . the far-flung future. It's not too far off and that is apparently one of the reasons why the . . . this cogent Being has been going and coming over the years. There are two time tracks intersecting soon. (Soon in this case is relative to man's history, could be a year, could be a thousand years.)" (From: "McMoneagle, Joseph. The Ultimate Time Machine (Kindle Locations 1345-1347). Crossroad Press & Macabre Ink Digital. Kindle Edition.")
There are probably more examples that would support this line of reasoning. But, with all the information available from so many sources, we can probably find something to support just about anything you can think of to explain the past and the future.
However, my point again is this: I believe we are not looking for one man; we are looking for two. One will show up first and will become well known. Then the second one shows up - the reincarnation of Paul. It seems their time is tied to an unusual event that occurs after both are well known, even if they are not known for who they truly are in this drama. They interact around this event, and perhaps for a time leading up to it.
So where is this evidence of the return of Paul? If some of the prophets were correct, maybe it's right in front of us.
In my view, part of Ruth Montgomery's position was that of describing this first person in a lot of detail. There are other descriptions, but as I recall, hers was pretty detailed. However, I'm sure she also introduced the requisite distortions to sift through.
If there is so much information about the first of the two, maybe some of us could understand who he is, especially if the information was correct about his growing in power before the second one appears. I think it can probably be understood, by at least a few people, who he is. Certainly from all the prophesies that I'm aware of, most people will not recognize either of these two, so I would not expect to find a completely obvious description of either one anywhere. The distortions and restrictions placed on what we have been told, what prophets have been allowed to understand, will make certain of this.
Of course, neither of these two is "good". Neither is "evil". These two simply play their part, as we all expect them to, as we have all agreed to play our parts in this time. The idea behind these words is not to "find this first person and stop him"; it is simply to recognize where we are in the drama by realizing the first of the two can possibly be known, and he only has so much time in one lifetime. By recognizing him, and knowing the first and second must interact at some point, the possible time frame for the emergence of the second one narrows further.
But, If people will have a bit of trouble telling the first one from the second one, and we, as people who believe some, or a lot, of the ideas Seth described, then what type of person would be somewhat similar to the person Seth described as the reincarnation of Paul, while being extremely different in major areas of thought? I would think both would at least appear to want to help people. If Christians and others are to be confused as to which is which, what type of person would mainstream Christians consider to be a Christ-like figure, given their continued belief in a religion that has been distorted? I'm guessing the first person would not challenge their belief systems, much, if any. At least at first. Whether he would have a much clearer (in our view) understanding of life or not, might not be the point - maybe he would understand as much, or even more than Paul, and would choose not to discuss it. My guess is this would not be the case.
Further, the definition of "Antichrist" might simply be based on one's perspective. This might be obvious, but I'll go ahead and mention it. If we believe the reincarnation of Paul to be the 3rd personality tied to the "Christ" entity, then this first person to show up would be anti-Christ, in the sense that he's doing things or supporting ideas that might be opposing what Paul is promoting and/or doing. From the view of followers of the Christian religion, the ideas and work Paul is likely associated with will be in direct opposition to what they've been taught to believe; and in their eyes, those beliefs are based on Christ's ideas. Therefore, it seems the reincarnation of Paul is the Antichrist from the Christian religion's perspective. So the more well known these two become, the more likely it is somebody's not going to be too happy about either one being alive and doing what they're doing.
So, if any of us were to feel like we knew who the first one, or the second one is, I think we would be remiss to point that person out publicly. I think if any of us are to understand the identity of either one, we will understand it more clearly when we figure it out for ourselves. If we are not to understand it, we will dismiss any idea anyone has about the existence and identity of the either of the two. More importantly, if we could not prove any theory, would it be fair to name someone? Everything I've ever seen indicates no one will be able to prove or clearly demonstrate either person is one or the other, and therein lies quite a learning experience for us all. Even if someone could prove the identity of either one, that might bring harm to one or both of them. I think this is not desirable for reasons beyond the simple idea of not harming others. We, as a group of souls connected to lives on this planet, have called out for this drama, and so I think we should want to see both of the two play out their roles in this drama to see what we learn. It doesn't seem like either will be causing pain, suffering, or death, as that would seem to make it extremely easy to stir people up against them. It seems like this will be a drama of one set of ideas contrasted against another; at least for a while. Hopefully whatever happens won't end up with anyone or any group trying to damage or destroy the lives other groups or people in any way. But, there will probably always be a few people who want to rid the world of this well-known person, or that well-known person, but there may come a time when many people will want to forcibly remove one or both of these two from our drama. I just don't think it's appropriate to contribute to that possibility. In a more enlightened world, I think this self-imposed limitation of not publicly naming possible identities of either person would become completely unnecessary. But we're not in that world yet. I do realize this point is simply more of my opinion, and many may think it's a silly idea to refrain from publicly discussing something that might be important to understand.
Regardless of what we do or don't discuss publicly, just for a little fun, consider this: What if the first and the second were both aware of their own role in this drama? And what if each was aware of the other's role? Now here's the fun part of these assumptions...what if they sat down together and discussed it to try to have the best outcome for all? That's a conversation I'd like to hear! I would expect Paul would be aware of both his and the first person's role. But would the first be aware? I would hope so - it seems far more interesting if he also understands what's going on.
Of course, there is the chance that I am wrong about all of this.
It is entirely possible all of the prophecies are part of a framework we all agreed to, and the framework is such that none of them accurately reflect the future. In this possible framework, the various prophecies have enough bits of truth to lead us away from simply trusting ourselves, and towards looking outside of ourselves. Maybe that is the one and only lesson of all these prophecies.
But that's not what it feels like to me. I have looked into my own future more than once, in more than one way, and have seen exactly what was there; even if it often did not make any sense when I was looking at it, and it only became clear when my waking now caught up to that time which was seen from in the past. Even if I am correct to some degree in all this, I think the big lesson will still be learning to recognize and trust ourselves.
It also feels to me like there really is an event that relates to all of this. If this event does occur, and is significant, perhaps the things Paul will lead us to learn for ourselves will help us get through the event. And perhaps this learning will contribute to our helping each other get through this event. And as another by-product, this learning could help us realize for ourselves a higher understanding of who and what we are individually, which will then lead to the future described by Seth. This could relate to the 1,000 years of peace as described in the Christian religion, and how it comes to be.
Consider that Seth's description of the level of improvement in a civilization in such a short amount of time seems unprecedented in our known history; at least in my limited knowledge of history. We, as humans, are often slow to change unless forced to. And the fewer people who are being forced to change, the less widespread the change is likely to be. Some type of significant, global event, coinciding with the spread of ideas and methods Seth says Paul will help bring about, makes more sense than people just changing because they are learning something more useable in their lives. This seems especially likely since these ideas and/or methods of Paul's will be contrary to what a great many people now believe to be true or useable.
This event that appears to be coming sounds challenging. What if it's extremely challenging? And what if the reincarnated Paul actually does help people handle it better? I know this idea might be quite a reach, but is it possible the people who follow whatever it is that Paul will propose to learn and do for themselves are "saved" from the most difficult aspects of this event? Maybe we won't fully understand what this could mean unless, or until, this event occurs. But, it seems this could be what followers of the Christian religion are saying when they talk of being "saved" by Jesus Christ, even though they may not realize it. Maybe the religion and its followers have "tuned in" to something that's there in our futures, but have a distorted description of it. Given the descriptions of the event, and that we don't seem to have any records of a similar event in our past, some distortion could be expected from anyone trying to "see" or figure out the event before it occurs. If we look at
"Salvation in Christianity" (wikipedia.com) on Wikipedia, there is quite a lot of disagreement about it.
This is especially interesting if we consider McMoneagle's description of two time tracks intersecting - what if following Paul's proposals puts someone on one time track, and not following them, or following whatever the Antichrist (the first of the two men) proposes, puts them on another one? What a person had done in the past would make no difference, as long as that person "believed" (and acted upon) what Paul was saying around an event that might seem like "judgment day". I don't have any evidence or any source to point to on this one, but I thought of it a short time back, and thought I'd include it here since this upcoming event appears to be such a major consideration in our future and in identifying Paul.
Further, if there are two time tracks, and if it's an actual choice that determines the track we progress along, it's possible only one track results in what sounds like a more evolved human race that Seth has described. An interesting quote from the top of the Wikipedia page noted above, in the "Summary" section, is
"According to Saint Peter the Apostle in Acts 4:12, Jesus Christ God is the unique way of truth and door of salvation...". Could the "door of salvation" be a time track? However, I don't think this is the case. My guess is following whatever it is Paul proposes for us to learn for ourselves is related to handling this event in this lifetime (and the soul's longer term education), and we all follow the "evolved" or new time track. Maybe the "door of salvation" is just going into this new time track. But some of us follow it in the body we have when it occurs, and some of us decide that we've been here long enough in the body we have, and we later reincarnate in the new time track. Either way, it's also possible whatever this event is might be a contributing factor itself to what Seth describes as a more advanced and capable human race. By this I mean that since the event appears to involve energy and/or light, it might be a natural structural raising of the vibration of our planet in terms of how energy flows in our universe, and possibly by the nature of the higher vibration we are all raised in vibration. Maybe if we want to be here in a physical body during the change, we'll need to raise our vibrations rather quickly to handle the new time track. Like I said, this one might be quite a reach.
Regardless of how the framework of this drama is designed, and whether or not there is some major event, the one thing I am pretty sure of is that if these two men exist, neither of them will be, or are, quite what we expect. If they are not what we expect, it will be much harder for anyone to figure out who they really are.
But I think a few will know. Maybe some of us.
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