Author Topic: Seth on diseases and epidemics  (Read 255 times)

Offline Sena

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Seth had a lot to say about disease:

"People's thoughts and emotions
always give clear clues whenever illness is involved,
yet most people ignore such information. They censor
their own thoughts. Many therefore "fall prey" to
epidemics of one kind or another because they want
to, though they might deny this quite vigorously.
I am speaking particularly of epidemics that are
less than deadly, though danger is involved. In your
times, hospitals, you must realize, are important parts
of the community. They provide a social as well as a
medical service. Many people are simply lonely, or
overworked. Some are rebelling against commonly
held ideas of competition. Flu epidemics become
social excuses for much needed rest, therefore, and
serve as face-saving devices so that the individuals
can hide from themselves their inner difficulties. In a
way, such epidemics provide their own kind of
fellowship — giving common meeting grounds for
those of disparate circumstances. The [epidemics]
serve as accepted states of illness, in which people
are given an excuse for the rest or quiet self-
examination they desperately need but do not feel
entitled to otherwise.
(Long pause at 11:21.) I do not mean to assign
any hint of accusation against those so involved, but
mainly to state some of the reasons for such behavior.
If you do not trust your nature, then any illness or
indisposition will be interpreted as an onslaught
against health. Your body faithfully reflects your
inner psychological reality
. The nature of your
emotions means that in the course of a lifetime you
will experience the full range of feelings. Your
subjective state has variety. Sometimes sad or
depressing thoughts provide a refreshing change of
pace, leading you to periods of quiet reflection, and to
a quieting of the body so that it rests. (The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events, p.147)

"The majority of my readers have come down with one or another disease
usually considered very dangerous, and without ever knowing it, because the
body healed itself normally and naturally. The disease was not labeled. It was not
given recognition as a condition. Worries or fears were not aroused, yet the
disease came and vanished.
In such instances natural healing processes occurred, for which the body is
seldom given credit. Such healings do not just involve changes in the body, for
example, for a physical healing can take place because of events that seem
utterly disconnected.
Some portion of each individual is in direct contact with the very source of
its own existence.
Each individual is innately aware that help is available in
every situation, and that information does not need to come through the physical
senses alone. Many illnesses are cured, then, through quite natural methods that
not only involve physical healings, but bring into play other events — events
that have great bearing on the psychological elements that may be involved
behind the scenes. For those interactions we will have to look to Framework 2. (NOME, p.149)

"The present medical profession is sadly hampered because of its own beliefs. Often it operates as a framework in which poor health and disease are not only accepted as normal, but the concepts behind them strengthened. Here you have again, as in psychoanalysis, a hide-and-seek arrangement in which both doctor and patient take part. Both believe they need the other, of course. Behind this is the psychic pattern of beliefs in which the patient often assigns to the doctor the powers of knowledge and wisdom that his beliefs have taught him he does not have. Knowing otherwise, the patient still wants to consider the doctor omnipotent. Upon the patient a doctor often assigns and projects his own feelings of helplessness against which he combats. The interactions continue with the patient trying to please the doctor, and at best merely changing from one group of symptoms to another. Far too often the doctor shares the patient’s unshakable belief in poor health and disease. Not only this, but the medical profession often provides blueprints for diseases, and the patient too often tries them on for size. This is not to say that the medical profession often is not of great aid and benefit, but within the value system in which it operates much of its positive influence is negated. Because they are held in such high esteem, the suggestions given by doctors are paid particular attention." (from "The Nature of Personal Reality: Specific, Practical Techniques for Solving Everyday Problems and Enriching the Life You Know (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts)

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Offline jbseth

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Hi Sena,

Seth sure did have a lot of things to say about diseases and epidemics. In addition to this he also said quite a bit about other related topics like viruses and belief.

It sure is a complex topic.

Thanks for starting this post. :)

-jbseth

Offline Sena

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I found another Seth quote in which he is quite optimistic about the near future of the human race:

"Christian theology sees the end of the world in certain terms, with a grand God coming to reward the good and to punish the wicked. That system of belief allows for no other probability. Some see the end of the world coming as a greater disaster, or envision man finally ruining his planet. Others see periods of peace and advance — and each probability will happen “somewhere.” However, many of my readers, or their offspring, will be involved in a new dimension of selfhood in which consciousness is fully explored and the potentials of the soul uncovered, at least to some extent. Human capabilities will be seen as what they are, and a great new period of development will occur, in which all concepts of selfhood and reality will be literally seen as “primitive superstition.” The species will actually move into a new kind of selfhood. Theories of probabilities will be seen as practical, workable, psychological facts, giving leeway and freedom to the individual, who will no longer feel at the mercy of external events — but will realize instead that he (or she) is their initiator. Now, you squeeze the great fruit of your selfhood into a tiny uneasy pulp, unaware of the sweetness of its juices or the variety of its seasons. You look at the outsides of yourselves as if a peach were aware only of its skin. In the reality I foresee, however, people will become familiar with far greater aspects of themselves, and bring these into actualization. They will be in touch with their own decisions as they make them. If they become ill, they will do so knowing they choose the condition in order to emphasize certain areas of development, or to minimize others. They will be aware of their options, comma, consciously. The great strength and resiliency of the body will be much better understood; not because medical science makes spectacular discoveries — though it will — but because the mind’s alliance with the body will be seen more clearly. In this probability of which I speak, the species will begin to encounter the great challenge inherent in fulfilling the vast untouched (forcefully) — underlined — potential of the human body and mind." (from "The “Unknown” Reality, Volume Two (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts)

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Offline caryl

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Thanks for this. Amidst all this "pandemic" stuff going on with covid, I often feel like a fish swimming upstream. Where I live, people are freaked out constantly, and though I think it has a lot of political heat behind it, some people are just plain scared. I'm not, and when someone gets in my face (from their 6-8' distance, of course) because I'm not wearing my mask according to their standards, it takes me down emotionally because I'm so ready for the "reality" of this situation to be gone from my reality. I just haven't been successful at removing it, however.

Glad I found this site. I listen to a lot of Abraham (Hicks) via YouTube and have several Seth books, so the idea of connecting with others who are also out there with this understanding is so helpful.
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Offline Sena

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Where I live, people are freaked out constantly, and though I think it has a lot of political heat behind it, some people are just plain scared.
Hi caryl, welcome to the forum. I am trying to see the pandemic as a useful opportunity to look at our fears and become aware of our beliefs. There is no such thing as a "bad" belief, but the more conscious we become of our beliefs, the better.
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Offline Deb

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Welcome to the forum @caryl . I'm in the same space as you. I started out with Abraham years ago, which lead me to Seth and I've never looked back. This has been an extremely challenging year, as well as an invite to apply what I've learned as a Seth fan. Certainly a year for introspection. I'm curious where we go from here. Better yet... I'm curious what I can create as a better reality from here.
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