Victor Zammit

[chasman]

hello guys and gals,

   has anyone here, heard about Victor Zammit, or checked out his website?
or his book?

https://www.victorzammit.com/index.html

http://www.skepticsandtheafterlife.com/Skeptics_and_the_Afterlife/Skeptics_and_the_afterlife.html

https://smile.amazon.com/Lawyer-Presents-Evidence-Afterlife-ebook/dp/B00CLFW12W/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=T9T5DP2X02E6S0SD1P5P

[Deb]

Nope, never heard of him. His book has good ratings on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Goodreads.

I'd recommend looking at the reviews. These days I look at the negative ones first, since it's pretty common for sellers to offer free products for good reviews, and that's not restricted to merchandise.

If you buy the book, please let us know what you think.

[Bora137]

Look pretty good chasman. It always amazes me that there is very solid science done that proves life after death but the scientific community at large cannot process it. Like Seth says their beliefs blind them to it. I like the scientific path to 'waking up'.

[chasman]

thank you very much Deb and Bora.

good idea about the reviews Deb. you are so bright.

and yes Bora, science wants empirical data or forget it.
this is metaphysics. different realm from the rest of science. 

[barrie]

has anyone here, heard about Victor Zammit, or checked out his website?
or his book?

I never heard of him and am checking out his website. The first thing I noticed was that on his homepage he had a link called "Famous Mediums." It connected to a page upon which he had a very long list of people with their short bios in something he called:

"Afterlife Hall of Fame: Dedicated to those most brilliant scientists and dedicated mediums, psychics and researchers who made a most significant contribution towards promoting the paranormal and proving the existence of the afterlife"

I noticed that there was no mention of Jane Roberts or Seth.

https://www.victorzammit.com/hall/index.html

[Sena]

has anyone here, heard about Victor Zammit, or checked out his website?
or his book

chasman, thanks for drawing our attention to Victor Zammit. He is the co-author of a book entitled "Afterlife Communication", which is available on Kindle Unlimited, and I have downloaded it.

[Deb]

I noticed that there was no mention of Jane Roberts or Seth.

Wow, his Hall of Fame list is really long. Many people I'd never heard of, and of course there are some on there that have been accused of fraud.

Maybe because (my thought) Jane was better known for channeling the Seth materials rather than being a medium? At the time of her active channeling, Jane was known for her psychic abilities (the letter experiments with Dr. Estabrooks and class members, the missing pilot, her ESP book and classes). Mediums profess to regularly communicate with the dead and I don't recall Jane ever saying she did that. I'd do a search on findingseth, but it seems Chris's sites are down this morning.

[chasman]

thank you Deb, and everyone.

I have not read much at Victor Zammits website,

but for the halibut, I searched a little.
(I mean really how could there be nothing about Seth?)

well there is something.
in my opinion, its not all right.
if I had to guess, Victor knows little to almost nil about Seth,
and has read zero Seth books.

this is under Ouija Board. scroll down to near the bottom:

http://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/ouijaboard.htm

[Deb]

For the halibut, lol. 

He does seem a little familiar with Seth, but would have written more if he was a fan. But I'm still pleased that he acknowledged Seth and Jane..

Great detective work!

[chasman]

thank you Deb.   

[barrie]

this is under Ouija Board. scroll down to near the bottom

He does seem a little familiar with Seth, but would have written more if he was a fan. But I'm still pleased that he acknowledged Seth and Jane..

A little familiar? He seems almost totally ignorant concerning Seth & Jane. I don't see how familiar Zammit can be of Seth and Jane--IF this category he puts Seth in. How many of the 880 plus sessions and years ONLY in THIS category of Ouija boards. This show great ignorance.

I am not pleased with.
 this mention. It may be better off without having Seth & Jane thus pigeonholed and limited. "Oh, Seth...the Ouija board guy."

[strangerthings]

Im going to say he does in fact know about Seth but since Seth and Jane speak TRUTH we feel in the fiber of our being as it is the knowledge many have passed down over the hundreds upon hundreds of years ...I tend to think they do it on purpose...

Cant have that buggy truth getting out and people realize they have actual power on EARTH 

Like a magician misdirecting you over here while they fraud themselves over here so you think they are this great wonderful thing.

I dont even know the guy yall are talking about lol Im just barking

[Tom]

As of late, I've been listening to Matt Fraser. He seems to be very good at what he does. But I do wonder who these 'souls/spirits' he and other mediums speak to are. I do believe when you die you move on to other reincarnations or other levels of learning and go where your soul has agreed to go in its path to fulfillment. Because of that, and what Seth has said about fragment personalities, I wonder if these spirits he and others speak to are fragments of those who left earth. He talks that they are always with us and trying to guide us, but that doesn't align with everything that I've read about continuing our journey in the spirit world and beyond. That's why I'm thinking they are just parts of the personality that was earthbound. Any thoughts? 

[barrie]

I wonder if these spirits he and others speak to are fragments of those who left earth. He talks that they are always with us and trying to guide us, but that doesn't align with everything that I've read about continuing our journey in the spirit world and beyond.

Hi Tom, We do move on but we also fully stay in F2. Right now, each one of us are equally always in F2 while we flicker in and out of F1 each instant-living our lives via our 5 senses which so no flickering at all for we flicker so fast the senses can't pick it up.

So, as much as we are real and full people, which we are, we are ALSO simultaneously fully in F2--and the same is true for those who die and when we did.

[Tom]

Thanks for the reply, barrie. It's been decades since I read about the various frameworks, and even then, it was difficult for my human brain to grasp so much of what Seth told us. I needed to do some research on those frameworks because so much has been forgotten. I found a very good and detailed description of what I was looking for. Without you reminding me of the frameworks, who knows when or if I would have stumbled upon the answer. Thank you so much.

"You must understand that I am making distinctions for your benefit. Framework 2 is connected with the creativity and vitality of your world. In your terms, the dead waken in Framework 2 and move through it to Framework 3, where they can be aware of their reincarnational identities and connections with time, while being apart from a concentration upon earth realities.

"In those terms, the so-called dead dip in and out of earth probabilities by traveling through Framework 2, and into those probabilities connected with earth realities.

"Some others may wind up in Framework 4, which is somewhat like Framework 2, except that it is a creative source for other kinds of realities not physically oriented at all and outside of, say, time concepts as you are used to thinking of them.

"In a way impossible to describe verbally, some portion of each identity also resides in Framework 4, and in all other frameworks. Some invisible particles can be in more places than one, at once. Some portions of each identity can also be in more than one place at once. It is a matter of focus and organization."

The God of Jane, Chapter 13

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lfdeale/6824556545
 

[Bora137]

Hi Tom are you new? If so good to have you on the forum 🤝

[Tom]

 Yes, I'm new to the forum, and thank you.

I attended a Silva Mind Control class back in the mid-70s, and a girl there turned me on to Seth, and I've been hooked ever since. There are times in my life that I return to Seth for various reasons.

Three weeks ago today, I put my 19-year-old cat down. A family in our neighborhood put her out because they said she was peeing on their furniture, and a year later she showed up on our front porch and refused to leave. She was 6 at the time. She was in a tumultuous house, so I believe she took the 'opportunity' to leave so she could join us. I put a 9-year-old cat down six months prior to her coming, and having an 18-year-old cat before her, I was finished being a 'parent' and wanted my 'freedom', but she had different ideas. She was pure love. Never once in 13 years did see hiss, bite, scratch, or ever lift a pawl toward us. She would just walk away when she had enough of our overbearing love. She was the most incredible little creature and a joy to be around. I doted over her constantly, telling my wife that I would not have any regrets once she passed because I had given her everything I had. And loved every minute of it. So that's why I came here. To reaffirm that she is still with me in spirit form and will greet me once I pass.         

[Bora137]

That's a nice story Tom. Yes the forum really helps to make Seth's teachings more real, being around people of the same mind 🙂

[barrie]

I read about the various frameworks, and even then, it was difficult for my human brain to grasp so much of what Seth told us. I needed to do some research on those frameworks because so much has been forgotten.

Hi Tom,

It is really very simple. F1 is our everyday waking physical reality. F2 is the nonphysical reality in which we have our dreams, probable realities, out-of-body states, conversations with dead people, ESP, telepathic communications, and so on.

My point was simple, too. Please re-read it, if you'd like.

In any case, we are always in F2. From there we blink or flicker in and of F1 so fast that our physical senses can't perceive it and it seems to us physical folks like we are always here physical and never leave.

It is the same with dead folks. When dead people reincarnate--all of their "old" or "other" personalities remain in F2. So, you can talk with your dead uncle Joe tonight, even tho he has already reincarnated in 2037 as a mother in London.

[Sena]

My point was simple, too. Please re-read it, if you'd like.

In any case, we are always in F2. From there we blink or flicker in and of F1 so fast that our physical senses can't perceive it and it seems to us physical folks like we are always here physical and never leave.

It is the same with dead folks. When dead people reincarnate--all of their "old" or "other" personalities remain in F2. So, you can talk with your dead uncle Joe tonight, even tho he has already reincarnated in 2037 as a mother in London.

barrie, thanks for your clear summary of the Seth teachings on F1 and F2. To my knowledge, their is no equivalent of F2 in Theravada Buddhism. The "bardo" described in Tibetan Buddhism may be something like F2, although Seth's description of F2 is highly original.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo

[Bora137]

Isn't F2 just Seth's name for the astral though?

[Tob]

Isn't F2 just Seth's name for the astral though?

"The invisible [vault of] Framework 2 contains endless patterns that change as, say, clouds do — that mix and merge to form your psychological climate. [...] In those terms your thoughts mix and match with others in Framework 2, creating mass patterns that form the overall psychological basis behind world events. Again, however, Framework 2 is not neutral, but automatically inclined toward what we will here term good or constructive developments. [...] Constructive or "positive" feelings or thoughts are more easily materialized than "negative" ones, because they are in keeping with Framework 2's characteristics.

In simple terms, your body has an invisible counterpart in Framework 2. During life that counterpart is so connected with your own physical tissues, however, that it can be misleading to say that the two — the visible and invisible bodies — are separate. In the same way that your thoughts have a reality in Framework 2, and only for the sake of a meaningful analogy, thoughts could be said to be the equivalent, now, of objects; for in Framework 2 thoughts and feelings are far more important even than objects are in physical reality."
—NoME Chapter 4: Session 826, March 8, 1978

[Sena]

Isn't F2 just Seth's name for the astral though?

Bora, there may be a rough equivalence, but the astral is understood differently in different philosophies:

The astral plane, also called the astral realm or the astral world, is a plane of existence postulated by classical, medieval, oriental, and esoteric philosophies and mystery religions.[1] It is the world of the celestial spheres, crossed by the soul in its astral body on the way to being born and after death, and is generally believed to be populated by angels, spirits or other immaterial beings.[2] In the late 19th and early 20th century the term was popularised by Theosophy and neo-Rosicrucianism.

Another view holds that the astral plane or world, rather than being some kind of boundary area crossed by the soul, is the entirety of spirit existence or spirit worlds to which those who die on Earth go, and where they live out their non-physical lives. It is understood that all consciousness resides in the astral plane.

I have emphasized in bold type the view of the astral which seems to be similar to Seth's Framework 2.

[Bora137]

A search on findingseth.com for both astral and framework 2 suggests Seth is using the terms interchangeably. My impression is that 'astral' covers f2, f3 and f4 and that for Seth's purposes astral is too broad a term and that he has so subdivided it as to better inform us of the activities that take place in each of these areas.

[Sena]

A search on findingseth.com for both astral and framework 2 suggests Seth is using the terms interchangeably. My impression is that 'astral' covers f2, f3 and f4 and that for Seth's purposes astral is too broad a term and that he has so subdivided it as to better inform us of the activities that take place in each of these areas.

Bora, I am not sure. I hope @barrie will help to clarify this.

[Deb]

for Seth's purposes astral is too broad a term and that he has so subdivided it as to better inform us of the activities that take place in each of these areas.

Yes, he always said there are no separations or closed systems, but he did have to simplify things to make it easier for us to grasp certain concepts.

I see F1 as our physical reality here (Rob: "the everyday, linear, conscious "working reality" we take for granted,"—DEaVF1 Essay 7), and the other frameworks as the nonphysical. (Rob: "All of our dreams, plans, thoughts, actions, and choices live in Framework 2"—DEaVF1 Essay 7). As mentioned before, our "greater" self exists/remains in F2 while we, a portion of the greater self, experience the physical in F1.

"There is, incidentally, a Framework 3 and a Framework 4, in the terms of our discussion—but all such labels are, again, only for the sake of explanation."
—TPS4 Deleted Session September 19, 1977

So F3 and F4 and any others beyond must hyper/elevated energy versions of F2...

"In portions of our work and your own, you have sometimes operated in Framework 3. Ruburt's initial Idea Construction experience momentarily propelled him into Framework 4, where indeed enough energy, creativity, and power was generated to change his life beneficially, and open his mind to higher levels of understanding and knowledge."
—TPS4 Deleted Session September 19, 1977

So I've been wondering about this: Where do you suppose Seth's "environment" is/was?

"My environment, now, is not the one in which you will find yourself immediately after death. I cannot help speaking humorously, but you must die many times before you enter this particular plane of existence."
—SS Chapter 2: Session 513, February 5, 1970