~Speaking of Seth~

"you must trust yourself and learn to interpret your own dreams."
—NoPR Chapter 20: Session 672, June 25, 1973

I have been having a lot of dreams recently involving animals. No idea why. I've always been an animal lover, but have not dreamed about them very much. Now suddenly it's dogs, horses, parrots, chickens, rats...
last night, I had a dream about a black sheep. The term black sheep has come up for me multiple times in the past few weeks. Hence my new profile image.

The dream: I was in a nondescript room in a nondescript building. Office building? There was a black sheep in the room with me. It was wearing a dog collar.

I was supposed to move the sheep out of the room and down the hallway, to the left.
The sheep was afraid of going into the hallway because right outside the door, there were some steps to go down. Two sets of maybe 3 stairs, a small landing in between—nothing major for a human. The sheep was terrified of going down the stairs. I was able to slowly coax the sheep into the hallway. My intention was to show it the stairs, so it could see they were minor and not to be feared.

It took some coaxing, but I got the sheep into the hall. It was leaning against my legs for courage.
As we approached the stairs, a large dog approached at the bottom.
The sheep recognized it as familiar and was very happy to see it.
I remember a lot of nose-to-nose sniffing, slobbering, etc., like two dogs greeting each other. Enthusiastically. The sheep then rolled onto its left side, repeatedly kicking its back legs out. Joy?
I was at the back side of the sheep, grateful that I was not in alignment with the kicking which could have really hurt or even broken my legs.
At this point I realized the sheep would no longer be afraid to go down the steps.

The sheep then rolled on its back.
The same way a dog does, as if to have its belly rubbed or to offer submission to a more dominant dog.
I rubbed/scratched the sheep's chest, the way one does with a dog. That's all I remember.

It's one of the stranger dreams I've had lately. I suppose (sigh) I need to take a look at what's going on in my life or mind (one and the same) to see if I can figure out what the dream was about. It shouldn't be difficult, eh? In looking thru Conversations with Seth this morning, there is a lot of information about dreams. Timely.

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I've found the meaning in my dream. It has to do with Seth saying we are the black sheep of the universe, which I embraced the first time I read it.

It's only been over the past several years that I've begun to appreciate my black-sheepness rather than trying to blend in with a world of white sheep. "I will approve of myself, my characteristics, my abilities, my likes and my dislikes, my inclinations and disinclinations, realizing that these form my unique individuality. They are given me for a reason." TPS5 Deleted Session 01/01/79

The black sheep in my dream represented my conscious/ego self hesitating to go into the hallway, down the stairs into the crowd and show my unique sheep clothing without apprehension. My inner self was the "me" figure, coaxing me gently out the door (out of the closet, lol?), to take the steps and unveil my black-sheepness to the world. The dog represented the world of white sheep. So, not just acceptance, but a warm and enthusiastic greeting (as only dogs can demonstrate so well). The steps, when faced, are always less daunting than the idea of the steps. The sheep rolling over was, I think, my surrender to being true to myself.

Thanks for the link @transient amnesia, I thought all the information was spot on. Especially this: "A common meaning for the sheep totem is a part of yourself that tends to conform to social norms or family values." The black sheep would represent the opposite. At times in my past, I've been a black sheep in white sheep's clothing. 

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"if you have not already discovered this for yourself, you are the black sheep of the universe. You want to go your own way. You do not want dogma. You will not be satisfied with hearts and flowers. It is not an easy way, and all of you know that. It is past the time for you to be entranced by other personalities including my own. It is time for you to become entranced with your own personality. It is time for you to feel independent enough to launch yourselves from your own subjective reality into others; to emerge, to drop the paraphernalia of all dogma. Not for new dogma but for new freedom. Not to substitute one authority for another, but to allow yourselves the freedom to recognize that the prime authority is All That Is that resides within you and that speaks with your own voice."
—TECS4 ESP Class Session, June 15, 1971

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ever experience that? This is my first. Been going on three days now. I have no words to make any kind of sense to even formulate words...

I don't keep a dream journal, but I did for a while and yes, I've had that experience. I would just try to form an impression in my mind so I could at least get a word here and there written down, not knowing if would make any sense later on. You just never know what pieces of the puzzle will come together down the road.

I'm still dreaming about animals every night. Last night it was two chickens and a hawk. And attending outdoor bbqs at two separate friend's homes two nights in a row (saying to myself, "I can't believe it's November and we can still eat outdoors!"). What's interesting to me right now is that I no longer keep in touch with either of these two friends, it's been several years. And at both bbqs, neither these friends nor their spouses attended. In their own back yards. And they are both named Anita. I bet I'll be hearing from one or both of them very soon. Lots of twos in this post. 

Yes dogs—faith and loyalty for sure. Especially if they're a yellow Lab.

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anyway I love yall and I dont need to see a face to know this.

What a nice thing to say, thank you! I realized early on with this forum that you really get to know the essence of the people writing—who they are inside. Without the distractions of appearance, age, location, gender even. It's one of the good things the internet has brought us. 

I had my first nightmare for a long time.

I was a detective at a house of a young woman, she was not a suspect, she was sitting on a large bed with a huge mirror behind her just talking with me. The mirror looked like a picture within which i could see a couple sleeping, i could see the back of their heads, they had black hair. As i'm talking to the woman, the couple in the mirror awaken and turn to face me. There faces necome closer to reveal they're Asian but their eyes are made from paper (think origami). The male starts talking and his face becomes really close. He says '...that's what everyone thinks, untill they get close and then get sucked in', as he speaks his voice becomes really loud and 'demonic' and he is sucking me into the mirror.

I awake pulling myself away from my pillow.

How cool is that dream?

Len

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How cool is that dream?

VERY cool. And very scary. It gave me goosebumps.
I bet you woke up thinking, "thank god that was a dream" !  It would make a great movie. Very visual description.

And so the questions are, why did you have this dream and what does it mean to you?

I used to have a recurring dream when I was a kid. For YEARS. There was a dark shadow figure in the basement, the sound of a heartbeat associated with it, and it would suck me down the stairs into the basement. I still remember the feeling of terror, clinging to the door frame upstairs so I wouldn't get pulled down the stairs.

I should probably take another look into its meaning. I swear I must have had that dream a hundred times.

If your intentions are good, there's nothing to be sorry about, in fact, I'm glad you could release a laugh, strangerthings

Even the term 'nightmare' loses it's intensity after delving into the Seth material.

After waking up, and getting my heart rate down, I closed my eyes and hoped to go 'back in'. I stopped being scared of my dreams many moons ago, and even though some can get my pulse moving, I have an understanding that I'm prepared for whatever I choose to explore, and I'm consciously allowing myself to face these inner dimensions, in fact I'm looking for them. I keep a dream diary, and have now for a couple of years, and ever since i started, it has filled up fast. On average, I can clearly recall 4 dreams a week. the intention is there so I believe the results follow.

This particular dream is symbolic on so many personal levels;

I just finished writing a book and am at the stage of looking for literary agents, so i'm facing very new dimensions both creatively and professionally, and being a very personal book, I need to break through the surface and allow absolute strangers to not only criticize my work, but also my life in many ways. The mirror can be seen as that surface with my demons behind it.

On a different level, I'm facing superficial things in life and perhaps filtering those deeper things that are really important, and trying to release old beliefs about physical reality. Again, the surface and reflections within the mirror, and eyes being the window to the soul whereas paper eyes are soul-less and a mirror has no depth to it.   

On another level, I just survived a Japanese horror movie....who's the man? 

Len
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I just finished writing a book and am at the stage of looking for literary agents

That's great news, Len. Good luck with the publishing.

Thanks Sena

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origami eyes....sounds like a great song title lol

It's funny you say that, because I woke up this morning with "Betty Davis Eyes" in my head. Just substitute Origami in the lyrics, lol.

Dream: My consciousness was straddling F1 and F2. In F1 I was aware I was in bed, sleeping, but in two different levels. In one version I was dreaming in the bedroom I was actually in, the other was a different level of dreaming, in a different house and bed. The dream seemed to go on all night, but I woke up in this reality several times but then fell asleep again and returned to my dream realities. At one point I had actually gone downstairs to get my phone and a drink of water.

In F2 I was standing in a room with 2-3 other people, adult males. One of them was very happy to see me, I had the impression we have incarnated together a few times and he hadn't seen my F1 consciousness while being in F2 in a while. There were people coming and going.

The room was like a large examination or meeting room, very plainly furnished. I was there for help, to learn how to have OBEs in F1 and also be able to better remember my dream work and experiences in F2. The F1 me that was sleeping was aware of two people in my bedroom, putting pressure on points of some sort (the tendon above my heels and somewhere around my shoulders) to 'move' my energy to the most advantageous configuration for an OBE. At the same time, I was aware of my consciousness in F2. In F1 I started feeling the familiar strong vibration in my arms, moving up to my shoulders. I was attempting to expand the vibration throughout my body so I could attempt the OBE. At one point I felt an urge to go 'up' out of my body and while it didn't work I did sort of gag and woke myself up. I went back to sleep to try again. The next time I had the urge to 'roll' out of my body, to the right. I kept mentally encouraging myself do it, to release from the physical form and go explore the world as an OBE. It started to happen, but then the feeling became more physical than energetic and I was back to square one. Not for a lack of trying.

There was more to the dream, such as my exploring the location I was visiting in F2, sort of an underground mall with lots of rooms and people coming and going. At one point when I woke up, as I went back to sleep I saw a map of the US with many points of light on it. It was mapping people that were having OBEs. My light was an aqua blue, to indicate I had been awake and back in my body. The other lights were white.

This has been the most complex dream I think I've had in a very long time, with a lot of details recalled. I didn't make it out of my body in F1, but I feel like there were some accomplishments made. I hope I continue to have these dreams. I did NOT want to get out of bed at all this morning, I wanted to go back to F2 and get some more work done.

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When I first arrived at F2, one of the people in the room was explaining to me that once I master OBE, being able to do it at will, that I would not be returning to F1, my goals will have been accomplished. I was ok with that.

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I just finished writing a book

@LenKop what is your book about? Music? Something else?
A lot of people self-publish these days, even through Amazon. I'm a graphic designer, just recently designed a Jane Roberts book that was printed at a real physical print shop because it needed unique papers, sizing, etc. But (coincidentally) this year I've been involved with layouts for a few books (new work for me) that will be self-published. It's a nice way to go, less financial risk.

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I have a question. What do you mean or think it means by "once I master OBE, being able to do it at will, that I would not be returning to F1, my goals will have been accomplished. I was ok with that. " ? ? ? ? ?

My understanding at the time was that I would not have to incarnate again.

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Why do I feel that it is so important to share?

Why do I feel that it is so important to be clearly understood? Just a part of our nature as individuals. We are all here in this reality trying to expand not only ourselves, but All That Is. It's all the same. ATI is one, that expanded itself into legion. The challenge is to reunite ATI into cohesion?

My book is on being a stay home dad.

My impulse was to write it, and i have an impulse to find an agent. Perhaps it's a journey I need to go on.

 

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The challenge is to reunite ATI into cohesion?

This is one of those ideas that are discordant with me. The whole reunification thing is so space/time based that it feels religiously materialistic.

Love the dream btw Deb, makes my Japanese Horror survival dream seem like child's play 

Len

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My understanding at the time was that I would not have to incarnate again.

Deb, thanks for clarifying that. I thought not returning to F1 meant saying goodbye to Earth!

QuoteATI is one, that expanded itself into legion. The challenge is to reunite ATI into cohesion?

Seth says that individuality will be maintained. The challenge that we face is to live well as individuals. That is what we contribute to our Entity.

There is the metaphor of "Indra's net", where each "bubble" is an individual consciousness:

http://www.bodhi108.com/indras-net.html

I have linked to that site for the image. The interpretation given there seems to give less emphasis to individuality than Seth does. I like to go with Seth's interpretation.

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Seth says that individuality will be maintained. The challenge that we face is to live well as individuals. That is what we contribute to our Entity.

Yes, Seth says that many times over. Maybe reunite was a bad choice of words. Thanks for the link, a lot of it really does fit in with Seth. Where my mind was going with that (I'm hoping I can put this into words) is while we are individuals we are extensions of ATI, like the cells in our bodies are us but are also individuals. We also need to learn to work together, I think, recognize our connection and learn empathy. Sorry, my mind has been mulling over the most recent mass shootings in the US and sometimes I think we're either going backwards or the progress is so slow that I'm not seeing it (the bigger picture). Probably the latter, maybe I'm too close to have a broader perspective.

Wow, I just found this, pretty fitting:

"In other terms, however — social terms — you have yet to achieve the same kind of spiritual brotherhood possessed by your cells; and so you do not understand that the experience of your world is intimately connected with your own private experience. If you burn your finger it hurts immediately. Your body instantly begins a cooperative venture, in which adjustments are made so that the wound begins to heal. If a portion of the race is hurt it may take a while before "you" feel the pain, but the entire unconscious mechanism of the species will try to heal the wound. Consciously you can facilitate that development, and admit your brotherhood with all other living beings. The healing will take place far quicker if you do. A biological brotherhood exists, an inner empathy on cellular levels, connecting all individuals of the species with one another. This is the result of a biological idealization. It exists in all species, and connects all species."
—UR1 Section 3: Session 697 May 13, 1974

So far, no interesting follow up dreams to my doozy a couple of nights ago. Too bad. I LOVED that dream.

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We also need to learn to work together, I think, recognize our connection and learn empathy.

Maybe this is where the psychic webwork comes in. There seem to be several things operating in present-day society which prevent the psychic webwork from working properly, e.g. violent movies, violent novels, cut-throat competition in business.

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Sena--- My daughter and I were just talking about ALL the distractions in this 21st century living that is so far away from earth living as real human beings.  How would folks even know to connect with a source self, higher self, over soul? 

TA, that is why we are the black sheep of the Universe. The organized religions have lost the plot.

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.wow there must have been hundreds upon hundreds of people there....they were all standing up learning.

Wow. This triggered a dream memory in me. I remember being in a theater-like room with lots of other people, waiting for some sort of training. I think also the walls of the theater were like living movie screens. No chairs. We were all standing randomly, in no particular order. I don't remember much else about the dream other than the sensation of being in that theater with a lot of people. It was a while ago, maybe even a year.

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Oh boy, two really notable dreams this week. Both occurred in what I consider "twilight time" — after I've woken at an obscenely early hour and then sort of dip in and out of waking and sleeping. The first one was not disturbing, more just excellent demonstrations for me of non-locality ( @Marianna you were in that dream, but you didn't know it. )

But I'm still puzzling over this morning's dream. I was in some setting, there was another female person there and my son, in the dream about 10 years old and sleeping, or at least pretending to be sleeping. We were in a room where there were some animals in cages that were supposedly my pets that I had forgotten about and had neglected. Not a good feeling, and a recurring dream scenario for me. Well, this other female was cooking dinner which consisted of whole baby carrots, another vegetable of some sort, and a very large human hand which was in a large pot. The hand was twice the size of a normal one, male, very fat fingers, in a fist. It was slow cooked so that the "meat" fell off the bones. I have to say while I always try to be polite and open minded, and am a bit of a foodie with no food hangups, I was totally appalled. The chef was dishing up the food, and I honestly could not even touch one of the carrots. But I did cut off small pieces of carrot to give to some of the animals.

I've been reading Stranger in a Strange Land lately, a little bit here and there, so there may be that influence.

But eeewwwww. I can't even imagine what that dream was about.

Deb, I am aware that we should be careful about resorting to standardized dream interpretations, but this looks interesting:

"To see cannibalism in your dream symbolizes a destructive and forbidden desire or obsession. Metaphorically, cannibals consume people's lives, along with their energy. Thus, this dream may then denote an aspect of your life (career, relationship, children, etc ), which is consistently draining your enthusiasm and vitality."

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=cannibal

Deb, do you recall if the hand was a right hand or left? If it were my dream, I would consider the symbolism of right (male, action, logic, etc.) or left (female, intuition, creativity, etc.). Baby carrots could be looked at as either some significance related to the word "baby" or representing finger-like shapes, possibly further representing the breaking down of the hand.

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Metaphorically, cannibals consume people's lives, along with their energy. Thus, this dream may then denote an aspect of your life (career, relationship, children, etc ), which is consistently draining your enthusiasm and vitality."

Thanks guys!

Well I do have to admit that I've been feeling overwhelmed lately with two jobs and the floor refinishing which has been very disruptive, but then I wonder if "any old hand" in the pot will do or if in that case it would have been my hand?

As far as right or left, an interesting question I wouldn't have thought about that. I think it was the right hand, and it was definitely a male hand. Interesting about the carrots too — you reminded me that just recently I watched the movie Arrival (it was very good, ended with some Sethian concepts). I remember seeing the aliens and thinking they looked like hands walking on their carrot-like finger tips.

And in Stranger in a Strange Land (I read it in the 70s, just started reading it again), it has mentioned a few times that they consume the bodies of the 'discorporate' on Mars to honor the dead. Actually, I just remembered the ending of the book, when the main character is killed and "They lynch him, destroying his body, except for one finger, which Mike's closest friends proceed to eat in a stew following Martian custom."

So, maybe a combination of things prompted the dream. Wow.

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So, how real are our dreams?  Are they only a parallel or a dimension away? Are they showing us what is happening right "next door"....or what? 

What is next door is also a dimension away. Einstein called it "spooky actions at a distance."

http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_quantum_nonlocality.html

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Later, about four weeks, over the phone she said she was telling me "she was in the hospital, she  got hurt and was fighting to get back to her unit"

Wow, that's amazing!

The thing with the car alarm, I can just say that there have been times when I'd hear something while sleeping (such as when my clock radio alarm goes on) and the song playing will become incorporated into my dream. Hah, once when I was a teen I was driving my car down a highway, my best friend was seated next to me. She started singing a current song. I turned on my radio and the song was playing, same spot in the song as my friend was singing. That was pretty cool.

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So,... these sounds that are incorporated into a dream are a common occurrence?

I'd never really looked into that, so this morning I did and there are a lot of articles. This one was pretty basic and clear. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/28/dream-facts_n_4003477.html  Seems to be a common thing.

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