~Speaking of Seth~

Precognition (foresight) has been proven by scientific experiments, but non-Sethian scientists find it impossible to explain. Freud accepted telepathy, but vehemently denied precognition. The problem with precognition is how does information come from the future to the present?

As an example, suppose I have booked a flight for tomorrow, and I dream of a plane crash tonight. Should I cancel the flight? How does information from tomorrow's incident reach me tonight? That kind of conscious precognition is rare. Much more common is unconscious precognition. An example of that would be if I wake up with a really bad migraine, and I decided to cancel the flight.

The three Seth concepts which explain precognition are:
(1) The existence of Framework 2, where there is no linear time.
(2) My Inner Self, which gives me information from Framework 2.
(3) Probable realities.

Applying these concepts to an instance of precognition:
(1) Knowledge of a "future" plane crash is available in Framework 2.
(2) My Inner Self gives me information on the crash, consciously or unconsciously.
(3) I may decide to choose a probable reality in which I am not on the doomed plane.

"Your inner egos populate Framework 2, and deal with the actual creation of those events that are then objectified. Since "the rules" of Framework 2 are different, that reality is not at all bound by your physical assumptions. It contains, therefore, the inner ego of each individual who has lived or will ever live upon the earth."
—NoME Chapter 3: Session 822, February 22, 1978

Hi Sena, Hi All,

This is a great topic Sena, thanks for starting it.  

I'd say that there's another related topic that goes along with this. There have been several times where Seth has told us that we can literally change our past. He has also talked about how our future isn't set in stone. I think that Seth's discussion in NOPR of the concept that "the Present is the Point of Power" really goes along here as well.

Here's some of the things that what he says in NOPR, Ch 15, S656:


I am not speaking symbolically. In the most intimate of terms, your past and future are modified by your present reactions. Alterations occur within the body. Circuits within the nervous system are changed, and energies that you do not understand seek out new connections on much deeper levels far beyond consciousness.

Your present beliefs govern the actualization of events. Creativity and experience are being formed moment by moment by each individual. Period, and break.

Now: You must understand that your present is the point at which flesh and matter meet with the spirit. Therefore the present is your point of power in your current lifetime, as you think of it. If you assign greater force to the past, then you will feel ineffective and deny yourself your own energy.


Along with this, he also says:


"The present seen before you, with its intimate physical experience, is the result of action in other such presents. Do not be intimidated therefore by the past or the future. There is no need at all for undesirable aspects of your contemporary reality to be projected into the future, unless you use the power of the present to do so."

"In each case, however, the point of power is the present, and from that moment you choose which you, and which world. The experience of a country is the cumulative result of the choice of each individual in it, so as you choose your own circumstances you affect each other person within your country and your world."



-jbseth

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I am not speaking symbolically. In the most intimate of terms, your past and future are modified by your present reactions. Alterations occur within the body. Circuits within the nervous system are changed, and energies that you do not understand seek out new connections on much deeper levels far beyond consciousness.

jbseth, yes it is interesting that the future can be changed.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

I really like what you've done here Sena. You've taken a topic and demonstrated that in order for us to really understand what Seth says about it, we really need take a look at some of the other things that Seth has talked about, in order to truly comprehend the implications of everything that's involved in it.

For example, in this posting alone, you've pointed out how what Seth has said about precognition, is also related to the topics of:

1) Simultaneous Time
2) Framework 2
3) The nature of the self, we have an inner self that sends us intuitions and
4) Probable realities.

I'm really starting to see how, this is often the case, for many of the topics that we've discussed here in the past.

I'm not sure that, in the past, we've always thought about this, whenever we've discussed some of the subjects that we've talked about here.


Recently, I've was looking through DEaVF1, and in Chapter 4, Seth talks about the "ancient dreamers" and how these ancient dreamers had a "dream" body that was independent of the physical body. Seth tells us that these dream bodies weren't affected by physical constraints like gravity, the need to eat or even a sexual orientation.

Then Seth tells us that once man created his physical body and began to focus his attention in physical reality, over time he gradually lost his memory and awareness of this dream body that still exists. Seth tells us in this section of the book that this dream body still exists, and it is body that we inherit, after we die.

In the past, here in this Seth forum, whenever we've talked about what happens to us after we die, how many times have we either mentioned or even remembered what Seth has to say here about this dream body?

Whenever we've talked about death, in the past, I usually remember that Seth talks about this subject in quite a bit of detail in SS. However, I don't think that I've ever recalled that he also mentions this related "dream" body discussion in DEaVF1. This is something that might have been helpful in our discussions on what happens, when we die.


-jbseth

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1) Simultaneous Time
2) Framework 2
3) The nature of the self, we have an inner self that sends us intuitions and
4) Probable realities.

jbseth, yes, "simultaneous time" is an important concept here, which I missed out on.

"Everything within your three-dimensional system occurs simultaneously. Each action creates other possibilities of itself, or other actions from the infinite energy of the universe, which itself is never still. The answer is that the whole is more than the sum of its parts. (Pause.)

All That Is simultaneously and unendingly creates itself. Only within your particular frame of reference does there seem to be a contradiction between action that is simultaneous and yet unending. This has to do mainly with the necessary distortions arising from your time concept and the idea of duration; for duration to you presupposes existence continued within a time framework — predisposing to beginnings and endings."

—SS Chapter 20: Session 580, April 12, 1971

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jbseth, yes, "simultaneous time" is an important concept here, which I missed out on.

Hi Sena, Hi All,

Hi Sena. Actually, you didn't miss out on it at all.  In you initial post in this topic, you tied "simultaneous time" in with Framework 2 in the first of your 3 items. I only mentioned it separately, to separate it out as a topic, from Framework 2.

In your initial post, you said:

The three Seth concepts which explain precognition are:
(1) The existence of Framework 2, where there is no linear time.
(2) My Inner Self, which gives me information from Framework 2.
(3) Probable realities.


The thought has also occurred to me that if we were to really discuss precognition, then we'd also want to include two other items that Seth as discussed.

1)
In SS, Appendix, ESP Class Session, January 5, 1971, it says:

(Janice S. commented that Seth did not give many predictions.)

I am not cautious, I am simply realistic. When you understand the nature of reality, then you realize that predictions of future events are basically meaningless. You can predict some events and they can occur, but you create the future in every moment.

Time, in your terms, is plastic. Most predictions are made in a highly distorted fashion; they can lead the public astray. Not only that, but when the predictors fall flat on their faces it does not help "The Cause." Reality does not exist in that fashion. You can tune in to certain probabilities and predict "that they will occur," but free will always operates. No god in a giant ivory tower says, "This will happen February 15 at 8:05." And if no god predicts, then I do not see the point of doing so myself.


2)
If Seth really felt this way, "And if no god predicts, then I do not see the point of doing so myself." Then it seems strange to me that he would then go on in SS and talk about the second coming of Christ, which he claimed is to occur on or about the year, 2075. I know that in talking about this probable event, Seth said something to the effect that from his perspective, he has some ability to see beyond our more limited precognitive ability. Even with that however, these two comments do seem to be inconsistent with each other.


-jbseth

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Most predictions are made in a highly distorted fashion; they can lead the public astray. Not only that, but when the predictors fall flat on their faces it does not help "The Cause."

jbseth, this is important. I am highly sceptical about public predictions. Genuine precognition is very personal, as is made clear in the other thread I posted today. I shall send you a personal message describing a personal experience I had of precognition.

Hi Sena,

That was an interesting experience you had. 

I just replied to it.

-jbseth