~Speaking of Seth~

I was wondering if anyone's ever used the Seth material, or any other material, to heal themselves of an illness.  I have something that I'm trying to use Seth to fix.  It's nothing life threatening.  Just something that is more of an annoyance.  But it is also something for which medicine has no answer for me.  In addition to reading the first Early Sessions book, I am also on book 2 of Lynda Madden Dahl's safe universe series.

usmaak, I try out the Seth teachings on minor symptoms, like when I get a toothache, I tell myself that I can make it disappear without a visit to the dentist. I don't expect the toothache to cease immediately, but over a day or two.

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I was wondering if anyone's ever used the Seth material, or any other material, to heal themselves of an illness.

That's hard to say. I mean, how do you know for sure? Here are just a couple of examples. The first is going to be very personal and probably TMI.

In late 2004 was diagnosed with an aggressive form of breast cancer. It was in my pre-Seth days, but yet I felt I'd brought it upon myself, by agonizing for years over something involving my only child—the symbolism was obvious to me. There were also several very obvious synchronicities surrounding this situation.

After the initial shock I didn't feel my life was in danger and during several months of treatment I was fully focused on a future of being healthy. I felt it was a personal lesson that demonstrated that I create my health. Or the opposite.

Fast forward to 2013 and the summer from hell. I was in constant high stress mode due to different unimaginable problems. The entire summer was a cluster. Fall arrives and I had a routine annual mammogram. A week later I get a call from radiology—they needed to re-take the mammo. I said I could come in next week. They said no, we need you to come in right away, they had found masses in both breasts. My first thought was damn, I did it again. I was really disappointed with myself.

I went in the next morning. They took new mammograms, then said they needed to do it again because they couldn't find the tumors. Second mammos were the same. I asked to see the originals, and sure enough, two masses. They decided I needed an ultrasound. Again no tumors visible. Then the radiologist herself came in to re-do the ultrasound and couldn't find anything. She then said I needed an MRI, because they knew I had cancer, and it was just a matter of finding it! That reminded me of Anita Moorjani's experience. Having been a Seth reader for a while at this point, I also remembered Seth saying in Mass Events that a focus on cancer has caused more cancers than any treatments have cured. I did end up getting the MRI, for peace of mind, and it was fine. More exploration was recommended and at that point, with Seth in mind, I put  my foot down. I had the feeling that if I went along with what they wanted, there would be no end to it and I would end up creating something for them to find. Seven years later I'm still fine, and have hopefully fully learned my lesson.

This second story is very minor, but still...  A few years ago I visited Prague for 5 days. On the third day, I started coming down with a cold. A very sore throat, coughing, sneezing, tired, uncomfortable. By day 5 I was in full blown cold mode, but my travel companion and I had reservations to part and head to different countries. We went our separate ways. By the time I had checked into my accommodations in the new country, my cold was completely gone. All of it. While this may not have been considered a "cure," I have to think that I caused the symptoms for whatever reason and then uncaused them, as I've never had a full blown cold for only two days and completely recovered over a few hours. It was flicking a switch. I haven't been sick since then.

Here's another little thing I've puzzled over. One day I was making dinner and sliced my finger. It was a very sharp knife, a small clean cut less than 1/2" long that didn't bleed for long. I put a band aid on. The next morning I took the band aid off and the cut was completely gone, not even a trace of broken skin. How can that be? I've always marveled at the body's ability to heal, but overnight?

Deb, thanks for sharing your personal experiences. Very inspiring for us all.
Something for male members - I am now 72 years old and I am NOT having a test for prostate-specific antigen (prostate cancer).

Deb, thanks for sharing.  I'm glad that you are ok.

I've always been very medicine oriented.  I get all of the annual tests (including PSA).  Since I was very young, I was, quite frankly, terrified of dying from something.  I don't know how something like that gets into a six year old's head, but it's never left.  I had a similar scare.  I have back issues that, strangely enough, affect my middle back.  Usually back issues are low or shoulders and neck but my issues are all in my middle back.  I went to the doc who sent me for an MRI.  I got home and got a call a half hour later to have me come back that day to have an MRI done with contrast.  They saw something and weren't sure what it was.  I had the second MRI and they identified it as an artifact caused by the MRI but they also wanted me to go to a different place to have an MRI done on a machine that was newer.  I ended up not going for some reason, which is very unlike me.  If a doctor tells me to have a test, I don't question it.

The back issues remain.  I walk four miles per day for exercise and more on the weekends.  That's when my back hurts the most.  This, however, wasn't what I started this post about.

You might say that I am very oriented in this physical world.  I follow all of the rules and do what I'm told.

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I am NOT having a test for prostate-specific antigen

I'm glad that's one thing I don't have to worry about. I don't know if I've sent this short article to you in the past, this was kind of shocking to me. It's from a review of a book written by Richard J Ablin, PhD a scientist most notable for research on prostate cancer. Food for thought at least.

"If treatment was effective, then maybe there would be some justification for this test, but survival rates for treated men are the same as for men who opt out of treatment. These treatments are not exactly harmless either... Prostate cancer is usually very slow-moving, and most men will die with prostate cancer, not because of it. In fact, only 3 percent die because of it."

https://www.westonaprice.org/book-reviews/the-great-prostate-hoax-by-richard-j-ablin-phd-and-ronald-piana/

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Since I was very young, I was, quite frankly, terrified of dying from something.  I don't know how something like that gets into a six year old's head, but it's never left.

Religion? Nothing scares a kid more than hearing they'll burn in hell if they don't toe the line. When my son was 3 he'd come home from our neighbor's house and ask me if it hurts to burn in hell. They are Baptist. I swear I remember being coached on what to tell the priest in confession, to the point of making things up.

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I have back issues that, strangely enough, affect my middle back. 

Hmmmm. So do I. I was going to a chiropractor for a lower back issue a couple of years ago and started noticing middle back pain around that time. I asked for an x-ray and he said it wouldn't really show anything, the middle back is quite stable so not to worry about it, it could be some arthritis or a bone spur. It did pop when he would adjust my spine. It's still there but no worse and it doesn't bother me that often.

I'm not as trusting of doctors (for people or animals) after having a chain of misdiagnoses from multiple doctors and vets over the last decade or so. It seems the worst scenario is the first assumed and they work backwards from there. Ka-ching!

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Religion? Nothing scares a kid more than hearing they'll burn in hell if they don't toe the line. When my son was 3 he'd come home from our neighbor's house and ask me if it hurts to burn in hell. They are Baptist. I swear I remember being coached on what to tell the priest in confession, to the point of making things up.

My mother raised me with no religion at all. When I asked her what we were, she said Protestant.  I still remember the conversation, even though it happened many years ago in linear time.  I showed no interest in it and was not forced to go through the indoctrination that so many of my friends went through.  For that I am grateful.  My negative experiences with religion happened when I was a pre-teen/early teen.  The interesting thing is that my sister counts herself as Catholic, right down to the indoctrination of her children.  I lost my mom at the end of 2019 and I think that by then, she counted herself as Catholic as well.  Religion is one this that I've never talked with my immediate family about, though, so I really will never know.

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Hmmmm. So do I. I was going to a chiropractor for a lower back issue a couple of years ago and started noticing middle back pain around that time. I asked for an x-ray and he said it wouldn't really show anything, the middle back is quite stable so not to worry about it, it could be some arthritis or a bone spur. It did pop when he would adjust my spine. It's still there but no worse and it doesn't bother me that often.

I did years of PT and Chiro.  Nothing works.  I've come to accept it as the cost of getting older (yeah, I know, that's so not the right way to look at it).  It's unfortunate for me that the one activity that I've done faithfully for going on 12 years now is the one thing that hurts it the worst.  I had the exact same results from doctors.  Middle back problems are rare, just some arthritis, etc...  It's like your doctor and mine were working from the same playbook.

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"If treatment was effective, then maybe there would be some justification for this test, but survival rates for treated men are the same as for men who opt out of treatment. These treatments are not exactly harmless either... Prostate cancer is usually very slow-moving, and most men will die with prostate cancer, not because of it. In fact, only 3 percent die because of it."

My doctor said pretty much the same thing.  I still got the test.  I think I'm coming due for a new one at my next physical.  I greatly admire those that don't need medicine and go through their lives with no doctor visits or concerns.

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I ended up not going for some reason, which is very unlike me. 

Seth influence, even if you had not yet read Seth. I would suggest that any changes you make should be gradual.

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"If treatment was effective, then maybe there would be some justification for this test, but survival rates for treated men are the same as for men who opt out of treatment. These treatments are not exactly harmless either... Prostate cancer is usually very slow-moving, and most men will die with prostate cancer, not because of it. In fact, only 3 percent die because of it."

Deb, that is correct. When they did post-mortem examination on men who died at an advanced age, they found that something like 25% had cancer tissue in their prostate. It had not caused  any symptoms, and these people had died of something else.

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I ended up not going for some reason, which is very unlike me.

Seth influence, even if you had not yet read Seth. I would suggest that any changes you make should be gradual.

Very gradual.  I've been reading Seth since 1987.

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I greatly admire those that don't need medicine and go through their lives with no doctor visits or concerns.

Me too. Although Rich Kendall never went to doctors and he died, suddenly. Everyone dies, there's no way around it. Mary Dillman didn't go to doctors until right before she died. They both went quickly, which is a good way to go. Rich and I were in touch two days before he died and he asked me to mail something to him. Mary and I texted the day before she died, and the next morning she typed up some instructions for me on what to do with her research. I find that amazing.

I'm sorry about walking aggravating your back. That's why I ended up at the chiropractor myself, but with the lower back. I try to walk 3-5 miles a day and right now the lower back is not a problem. I figure I need to keep moving. Use it or lose it.

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"If treatment was effective, then maybe there would be some justification for this test, but survival rates for treated men are the same as for men who opt out of treatment. These treatments are not exactly harmless either... Prostate cancer is usually very slow-moving, and most men will die with prostate cancer, not because of it. In fact, only 3 percent die because of it."

Deb, that is correct. When they did post-mortem examination on men who died at an advanced age, they found that something like 25% had cancer tissue in their prostate. It had not caused  any symptoms, and these people had died of something else.

I wonder if they knew they had it, they would have died from prostate cancer. The nocebo effect in medicine, the "you get what you concentrate upon" in Seth.

Hey usmaak and all,

My apologies for what might be a long post.  I like this topic!  I had a serious health issue a few years back, and for the past several years have had something annoying but not life-threatening--an eye twitch.  So health is something I think about fairly often.  I just did some digging over at the search engine, and here are some tidbits from Seth I thought worth sharing:


• "If we are talking about health, it is to your beliefs that we must look. You have the most efficient and beautiful physical organs, the most elegant joints and appendages, the most vibrant lungs and the most exquisite of senses. It is up to you to form a body of beliefs that is worthy of your physical image — for you are nourished by your beliefs, and those beliefs can cause your daily bread to add to your vitality, or to add to your cares and stress."

• "The ideas that you have, then, play a large role in the way the body handles its nutrients, and utilizes its health and vitality. If you believe that the body is somehow evil, you may punish it by nearly starving to death, even though your diet might be considered normal by usual standards. For it is possible for your ideas to cause chemical reactions that impede your body's ability to accept nourishment. If you believe that the body is evil, the purest health-food diet will or may do you little good at all, while if you have a healthy desire and respect for your physical body, a diet of TV dinners, and even of fast foods, may well keep you healthy and nourished."

—WTH Chapter 10: June 7, 1984

I love the idea of viewing myself as having "elegant joints and appendages."     But the idea that it is up to me to somehow summon a collection of beliefs that create this...well, that feels like pressure.  I don't like pressure.  But that last sentence above, I like that.  If my attitude toward my body is healthy and caring, I can get all the nourishment I need from fast food, even.  We get what we focus on, so why not focus on admiring our elegant limbs, the beauty of all the working parts, and eat whatever we're eating with deep enjoyment?

I came from a family of healthy eaters.  I still trend in that direction, but it did NOT protect me from cancer.   I remember being in the grocery store after a sobering prognosis, seeing what everyone else had in their carts, looking at my usual pile of vegetables and legumes, and feeling pretty grumpy that I was the one with cancer while all those processed food eaters seemed just fine.  My guess is Seth is right on here.  My experience confirms it.

• "....a person in poor health should be seen by the physician in relationship to the family, and also in relationship to the environment. Old-time family doctors understood the patient's sensitivity to family members and to the environment, of course, and they often felt a lively sympathy and understanding that the practitioners of modern medicine often seem to have forgotten."

—WTH Chapter 4: March 23, 1984

I thought the above was an interesting idea to play with.  If I had an "old-time family doctor" who knew a couple generations of my family, knew how I fit in with them and don't fit in, knew my place in the community...what would that doctor think about my health?  How does my health make perfect sense for who I am?  How is my health a reflection of my experienced reality?   Hm.

Here's another quote I like.  Seth is addressing Rob and Jane's relationship, and how it can support their health:

"Your afternoon activities today are but a hint of natural communications that you have both let lag. As you both ascertained, this is an excellent method. For one thing the activity engages body, mind and spirit in joyful pursuit. Spontaneity is encouraged. Physically, hormones and chemicals are brought into activity that are otherwise sluggish. It is not your role, necessarily, to make up for the love Ruburt did not have as a child, yet bodily caresses and fond verbal endearments provide him with exactly the kind of soothing assuring elements that he needs, and that will result in health improvement.

[... 4 paragraphs ...]

You can woo him back to health. It may seem that you need not do this—that he should do it alone, but because your relationship is so involved this is by far the procedure that will rouse his own desire for health. Do you follow me?"

—TPS1 Deleted Session November 29, 1971

I have a tendency to be very independent, and try to fix everything myself.  What if I allowed others to woo me back to ideal health?  This doesn't have to be a romantic thing of course, why not be open to being wooed by a whole range of people?  Our focus becomes our reality.  If I have back pain, I can focus on an image of myself tossing a beautiful grandchild up into the air and catching her in my arms, and feeling no pain, only my body flooded with exquisite joy.  No grandchild?  No problem.  I don't have one either.     But I see no reason why an imaginary person cannot woo me back to where I want to be; it is the quality of our thoughts and feelings that matter, not whether we have someone in our life at the moment willing to woo us back to vibrancy.

Just some things to think about.  Thank you for this thread, folks...these are good things to reflect on.

Sena's point that we should take this slow is really important, I think.  I guess I don't know precisely what Sena was referring to, but I know in my own case that if I sit here and try to believe that my eye twitch will be magically gone in the morning, I'll end up flipping over to my old belief that I'm going to be stuck with this thing for the rest of my life.  I should go slow, and focus on achievable beliefs.  Like, "soon I'll get some insight into why my eye is twitching.  I'll understand how it perfectly reflects my beliefs."  And then I can creatively visualize myself in the future enjoying myself, with all of the muscles of my face expressing that enjoyment, rather than twitching.  It will feel good to visualize that!  This should be fun!  It shouldn't feel like a strain or a discipline.  Out with the contortionist yoga poses of the mind...I just want to feel good.  Inside and out.

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Sena's point that we should take this slow is really important, I think.  I guess I don't know precisely what Sena was referring to, but I know in my own case that if I sit here and try to believe that my eye twitch will be magically gone in the morning, I'll end up flipping over to my old belief that I'm going to be stuck with this thing for the rest of my life.

leidl, what I meant by taking things slow is that I would not suddenly give up scientific medicine. So I take my inhaler for asthma and three kinds of tablets. I suffer from insomnia from time to time, and I take that as an opportunity for meditation.

I mentally recite the Buddhist prayer, "May all beings be well and happy", and I'll think of your eye twitch becoming less of a problem.

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You have the most efficient and beautiful physical organs, the most elegant joints and appendages, the most vibrant lungs and the most exquisite of senses. It is up to you to form a body of beliefs that is worthy of your physical image — for you are nourished by your beliefs

Leidl, I love the quotes you shared, and also especially this one. Seth had a beautiful way with words. And thanks for sharing your experience, and your grocery store revelation. I so appreciate the ability of the human body to maintain and repair itself, so it's kind of odd to me that dis-eases such as cancer exist. Especially when it happens to children.

I came across an interesting quote yesterday, and good timing of course. In March 1970, Seth had some private sessions with Cyril T. Tucker. Cyril had asked about cause and prevention of cancer, and will we find a cure. Seth gave his usual explanation that we create our bodies by our thoughts and emotions, and no cure will prevent a person from manifesting an illness if they feel the need to do so.
I thought this was interesting:

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Now, you must realize that I do not mean this symbolically. A thought is every bit as real as your table. It is in effect far more real and of value. Now, the thought of illness creates the illness and not symbolically. The electromagnetic pattern of the thought creates the disease. Now, a complete belief in the fact that thoughts and emotions are realities will allow you to choose those thoughts and emotions to prescribe certain thoughts and emotions as you would prescribe pills. These thoughts of health and vitality contain within them electromagnetic realities that would react in much the same manner as your x-ray or any of your machines. The thing is, you see, this is not simple. There is a vast difference between Pollyanna attitudes that thoughts will move the world without understanding precisely how this works, and how they move the world.

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I just want to feel good.  Inside and out.

I'm with you! There are some things doctors will tell us are one way streets, that certain illnesses cannot be reversed, damage to certain tissue cannot self heal. For example, the brain. I read a book several years ago that was a real eye-opener for me, The Brain That Heals Itself by Norman Doige. He may not have been the first doctor to be open to that idea, but since then I've seen many articles about neuroplasticity and how the brain can heal. It's frustrating to think that we cause our physical challenges, and a lot of people new to that concept are usually pretty much offended. The modern world has told us over and over again we are victims, and only surgery and drugs can heal our frail bodies. We are not frail, our bodies can do amazing things, and if we have the power to make ourselves sick, we also have the power to make ourselves well. I just wish Seth was here to tell me the whys behind what I do to myself, because it's usually a mystery to me.

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It's frustrating to think that we cause our physical challenges, and a lot of people new to that concept are usually pretty much offended. The modern world has told us over and over again we are victims, and only surgery and drugs can heal our frail bodies. We are not frail, our bodies can do amazing things, and if we have the power to make ourselves sick, we also have the power to make ourselves well. I just wish Seth was here to tell me the whys behind what I do to myself, because it's usually a mystery to me.

We could say instead that we choose our physical challenges, and if so, what would this mean? This is something that seems to happen prior to birth -- when making choices about our next life as a human. Congenital disabilities and disorders make this almost a foregone conclusion, that one has made a foregone choice, but to whatever degree life challenges are preselected, we may think along the same lines.

This is something I wish Seth would be more clear about, to avoid unreal expectations for what we can realistically do to change our bodies on the level where we can control cancer and so on. I was married to a woman who later turned down conventional medical intervention and died of either uterine or cervical cancer, one where surgery would have had a very high chance of success. She wasn't a Seth reader, but her alternative treatments were ineffective. So maybe I'm more sensitive to this issue for that reason.

But I cannot deny that she may have been ready to leave, on some level -- though not consciously, I think.

Anyway, it's a bit like, "don't quit your day job" in that curing ourselves is something 99.9?% of us simply cannot do. Not even someone as brilliant as her.

So Deb, that's a wonderful piece of evidence from you, that your tumors went away. I don't mean to discount that. I'm going to end on that note.

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I was married to a woman who later turned down conventional medical intervention and died of either uterine or cervical cancer, one where surgery would have had a very high chance of success. She wasn't a Seth reader, but her alternative treatments were ineffective. So maybe I'm more sensitive to this issue for that reason

Kyle, I am very sorry to hear about what happened to your wife.

This is a Seth quote on medical treatment:

"I am not suggesting that you not visit doctors or not take drugs of that nature, as long as you believe in the structure of medical discipline that the Western world has evolved. Your bodies have been conditioned to it through the use of such medications since birth. There are many casualties, but this is still a system that you have chosen, and your ideas still form your reality."
—NoPR Chapter 7: Session 631, December 18, 1972

Hi Kyle, I'm sorry for your loss. That must have been horrible for everyone involved.

And thanks Sena for that quote, I had that one in mind too. I think Seth said something like that a few times.

Kyle, thank you, but I don't really know whether there were tumors or it was just a bad mammogram. I don't know how that would happen, they are taken separately, two on one side and two on the other, but the radiologist was convinced. I'm just glad things turned out the way they did.

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"I am not suggesting that you not visit doctors or not take drugs of that nature, as long as you believe in the structure of medical discipline that the Western world has evolved. Your bodies have been conditioned to it through the use of such medications since birth. There are many casualties, but this is still a system that you have chosen, and your ideas still form your reality."
—NoPR Chapter 7: Session 631, December 18, 1972

Thank you for directing your thoughts toward my current condition, Sena, I intend to receive them and allow them to have effect.  That video is lovely.

I've come across the quote you shared above before, but my brain gets in a tangle with it.  Maybe someone can unpack it a bit more.  Seth assures us repeatedly that our bodies do not die unless we choose that.  So why do we need to use caution about leaving western medicine too quickly?  If I want to live, I will live whether I avoid medicine, have a brilliant doctor, or have a bungling one, right?  And if I don't want to live, a brilliant doctor can't save me.  Cautioning us about leaving the western medical tradition too quickly suggests that there could be an unintended serious consequence of doing so, which just doesn't fit my larger understanding of Seth and the way realities are created.  What am I not getting?

Kyle, I don't envy your wife's decision about treatment, whatever her belief system may have been at the time.  There is nothing like a life-threatening diagnosis to make you aware that you are "looking through a glass darkly".  I'm so sorry you lost her. 

I don't feel confident about my grasp of Seth's comments about our ability to change course when a serious illness arises.  I know that he says we don't die unless we've said "yes" to that outcome.  But it seems like he usually talks in terms of probabilities rather than absolutes.  The big moments of our life plan are not fixed, the way I remember it; they are highly probable.  (I could not find a quote to support this.)  The present is the point of power, and the probabilities set up by our life plan can be over-ridden, was my impression. Jane's death might be an example of that, since Seth seemed to expect her to recover earlier on.  I hope someone will correct me if my understanding on this is wrong.

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we have the power to make ourselves sick, we also have the power to make ourselves well.

I like the can-do attitude of this, Deb.  Thank you.  I also like this quote:

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Now, a complete belief in the fact that thoughts and emotions are realities will allow you to choose those thoughts and emotions to prescribe certain thoughts and emotions as you would prescribe pills.

A pill is just a thought anyway, right?   

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I don't feel confident about my grasp of Seth's comments about our ability to change course when a serious illness arises.  I know that he says we don't die unless we've said "yes" to that outcome.  But it seems like he usually talks in terms of probabilities rather than absolutes.  The big moments of our life plan are not fixed, the way I remember it; they are highly probable.

leidl, my understanding of Seth is that (a) the fixing of the day of death and (b) probabilities, are two separate topics.

On probabilities:

"Probabilities are an ever-present portion of your invisible psychological environment. You exist in the middle of the probable system of reality. It is not something apart from you. To some extent it is like a sea in which you have your present being. You are in it, and it is in you. Occasionally at surface levels of consciousness, you might wonder what might have happened had you made other decisions than those you have; chosen different mates, for example, or taken up residence in other portions of the country. You might wonder what would have happened had you mailed an important letter that you subsequently decided not to mail; and in such small wonderings only, have you ever questioned the nature of probabilities. But there are deep connections between yourself and all those individuals with whom you have had relationships, and with whom you were involved in deep decisions." (from "Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts)

https://amzn.eu/brK5yzc

On the day of death:

"The day of death is known. Consciously such knowledge is not given to the ego for obvious reasons, but every organism, through its inner senses, is equipped with subconscious knowledge of personal disasters, deaths, and so forth, the personality itself deciding beforehand what it considers disastrous; and the members of the species as a whole know in advance of their wars. As telepathy operates constantly at a subconscious level, as a basis for all language and communication, so clairvoyance operates continually so that the physical organism can prepare itself to face its challenges. The inner senses also convey the knowledge that death is merely an energy transformation, and your almost numberless religions merely represent idea symbols that attempt to make this knowledge plain to the ego. That they deal with distortions and camouflage material is not to be wondered at. They have managed in some way to make this inner knowledge a part of the ego-understanding of the species."
(from "The Early Sessions: Book 2 of The Seth Material" by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts)

https://amzn.eu/1zkPXnf

Moving away from Seth, I found an interesting article on the prediction of death:

"Older generations, who had far more experience of seeing loved ones die at home, often knew all about death-bed visions and what they signified. Indeed, they have been documented since Victorian times.

More recently, in the 1970s, death-bed visions were the subject of a large survey conducted in both the U.S. and India. This concluded that patients usually died within two to five days of the start of a vision.

Other research suggests that such visions result in a peaceful acceptance of death — whereas drug-induced hallucinations tend to cause anxiety or confusion.

But conversations with invisible people aren't the only signs that have been widely noted at the bedside of a dying person.

Numerous reports by healthcare workers have recorded other bizarre phenomena, including: a change in temperature, a light around the body, the malfunctioning of electrical equipment and the stopping of clocks. There have also been incidents of glasses smashing — without human intervention — at the moment of death.

In addition, I've come to realise during my 17 years as an intensive care staff nurse that some patients actually have control over the timing of their deaths."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546462/Can-foresee-death-loved-one-choose-exact-moment-die-These-accounts-intensive-care-nurse-astonish-you.html

The article is by Penny Sartori:

http://www.drpennysartori.com/

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I've come across the quote you shared above before, but my brain gets in a tangle with it.  Maybe someone can unpack it a bit more.  Seth assures us repeatedly that our bodies do not die unless we choose that.  So why do we need to use caution about leaving western medicine too quickly?  If I want to live, I will live whether I avoid medicine, have a brilliant doctor, or have a bungling one, right?  And if I don't want to live, a brilliant doctor can't save me.  Cautioning us about leaving the western medical tradition too quickly suggests that there could be an unintended serious consequence of doing so, which just doesn't fit my larger understanding of Seth and the way realities are created.  What am I not getting?

I've always thought that this appears to be a contradiction.  Back in 2013 I went in to see my doctor because of some strange stomach pain I was having.  It wasn't even bad, it was just in a strange place and different than I'd ever felt.  I almost missed the appointment because it actually didn't feel as bad as it had the rest of the week but went in anyway because I already had the appointment set up.  That night, I was in surgery for appendicitis.  I've known people who have had appendicitis and they've been very sick with fever and vomiting and extreme pain.  My pain was maybe 3 on the ole 1-10 scale.  I could have chosen to walk away from the doctor and the surgery.  Conventional medicine says that my appendix would have ruptured and I would have died.  But if it wasn't my time (for want of a better way of putting it), I wouldn't have.  But in my mind, the surgery saved my life.  Although I have often wondered whether my appendix was even a problem, considering the lack of general symptoms of appendicitis.

If I had foregone conventional medicine, medicine tells me that I'd be dead right now.  But according to Seth, I set all of this up either before birth or as a result of my beliefs.

Now I have a headache.

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Although I have often wondered whether my appendix was even a problem, considering the lack of general symptoms of appendicitis.

usmaak, you could ask your doctor or hospital for the pathology report. That would tell you how bad your appendix really was.

QuoteBut according to Seth, I set all of this up either before birth or as a result of my beliefs.

That is not my understanding. It is only the day of death which is pre-determined, not every illness.

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Although I have often wondered whether my appendix was even a problem, considering the lack of general symptoms of appendicitis.

usmaak, you could ask your doctor or hospital for the pathology report. That would tell you how bad your appendix really was.

I asked him how bad it was after the surgery.  What I specifically asked is how long it would have been before it became a true emergency.  He said it would have ruptured in a couple of days.  But as I've had time to think about it, I question that.  Surgeons like to cut.  It's what they do.  I've read so many articles about how less emergent cases can be treated with antibiotics.  I feel that it's at least possible that this could have been put into "wait and see" mode with some antibiotics and rest. 

The worst part about it is that the surgeon noticed a hernia while he was in there ripping out the appendix.  I knew that it was there because I felt it off and on for most of my adult life.  He convinced me to get it repaired.  That was as serious mistake as it still causes me almost daily pain eight years later.  I've had no issues with the appendix removal that I'm aware of, but I'm reminded of the hernia surgery every day.

Anyway, he's not my doctor anymore.  I've since moved to a different area of the country and gotten a new set of doctors.  I am going to see a surgeon at some time, to see if there are any complications that can be fixed.  Perhaps the surgeon will be able to get the information.

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I've come across the quote you shared above before, but my brain gets in a tangle with it.  Maybe someone can unpack it a bit more.  Seth assures us repeatedly that our bodies do not die unless we choose that.  So why do we need to use caution about leaving western medicine too quickly?  If I want to live, I will live whether I avoid medicine, have a brilliant doctor, or have a bungling one, right?

My interpretation of what Seth was saying there is that as long as we firmly believe that only doctors and medicine can keep us healthy, then they will, and letting go of them while still strongly believing in them would be like jumping without a parachute. I'm not sure that quote was totally directed towards death, but rather avoiding suffering/quality of life. Our entities want to get as much out of our lives as they can, lol. There's more to that paragraph from session 631: "No one dies who has not made the decision to do so—and no disease is accepted blindly. Put simply, your thoughts can be regarded as invisible viruses, carriers, sparks setting off reactions not only within the body but the entire physical system as you know it."

Beliefs are obvious in the placebo effect, where people receiving the placebo have great results, and some even develop known side effects to the medication they are not receiving. It even works with surgery! And then there's the nocebo effect, where people can actually die if their doctor tells them they will. This article describes a case where a cancer patient died after being told he had three months to live only for it to be discovered at autopsy that the stage of his cancer had been misdiagnosed and could not have been the cause of death. The mind (belief) is a powerful thing. Also, another case documented an individual taking part in a clinical trial for antidepressants. He overdosed on 29 capsules and needed to be admitted to hospital for symptoms including severe hypotension. But the adverse symptoms were rapidly reversed when it was revealed he had been taking the placebo. 

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A pill is just a thought anyway, right?

Or a belief.

As far as not dying unless we are ready to, I can accept that. While Seth said over and over again that we predetermine our birth and death, I think due to probabilities we may have more than opportunity for death. But from our perspective as a probable self, it appears that we have one predetermined birth and death.

"(To Rob:) You died as a young boy in an operation, however, in this life as you think of it. You died again in the war, where you were a pilot — but those are not your official deaths, so you do not recognize them."
[and]
"Your" desire to live straddled the death of the child in an operation. The child's desire to die chose that events."

—UR1 Section 1: Session 681 February 11, 1974

I always liked session 681 from UR1, where Seth talks about Jane and Rob's lives and probable selves, Rob's parents.

Jane chose an early out for herself, for unknown reasons. Seth had planned on her living longer and them writing more books, but it appears she changed her mind.

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In addition, I've come to realise during my 17 years as an intensive care staff nurse that some patients actually have control over the timing of their deaths."

I've heard more than once that a dying person will hang on to life until the visiting family leaves.

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If I had foregone conventional medicine, medicine tells me that I'd be dead right now.  But according to Seth, I set all of this up either before birth or as a result of my beliefs.

Now I have a headache.

Advil, lol, my drug of choice. Here's an article that says spontaneous resolving of appendicitis occurs in at least 1 in 13 cases, but with a 38% recurrence rate. I would have surgery if I had appendicitis, especially if it was ruptured or near rupture.

Seth said we sometimes have things like cancer, don't know it, and it goes away on its own. No way to know if that's true, but I have heard stories of people having cancer and when they go in for one last scan before surgery, it's gone. Anita Moorjani was dying from stage 4 cancer, had a NDE, and had a spontaneous remission. She had to endure a multitude of tortuous tests and biopsies because the doctors did not believe it. Considering how far gone she was (organs were shutting down), I can't say I blame them.

Quote from: usmaak
Surgeons like to cut.  It's what they do. 

That is correct. Unless you have seen the pathology report, it could have been a perfectly normal appendix.

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Quote from: usmaak
Surgeons like to cut.  It's what they do.

That is correct. Unless you have seen the pathology report, it could have been a perfectly normal appendix.

It's possible, though the initial tests were run by my primary.  He found the inflamed appendix through a CAT scan.  I got the scan and they sent me home.  By the time I got home, I already had a call to get to the hospital to have it out and it was removed that night.  I feel like it was inflamed but I will always wonder if antibiotics could have saved it.  I was already outside the range of normal for getting appendicitis.  After the surgery, the pain went away and has never returned.  I'll always wonder if it was all necessary.  If I hadn't had that surgery, I wouldn't have had the hernia surgery.  And I know my life would be better if that had never happened.

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We could say instead that we choose our physical challenges, and if so, what would this mean? This is something that seems to happen prior to birth -- when making choices about our next life as a human. Congenital disabilities and disorders make this almost a foregone conclusion, that one has made a foregone choice, but to whatever degree life challenges are preselected, we may think along the same lines.

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Now, you must realize that I do not mean this symbolically. A thought is every bit as real as your table. It is in effect far more real and of value. Now, the thought of illness creates the illness and not symbolically. The electromagnetic pattern of the thought creates the disease. Now, a complete belief in the fact that thoughts and emotions are realities will allow you to choose those thoughts and emotions to prescribe certain thoughts and emotions as you would prescribe pills. These thoughts of health and vitality contain within them electromagnetic realities that would react in much the same manner as your x-ray or any of your machines. The thing is, you see, this is not simple. There is a vast difference between Pollyanna attitudes that thoughts will move the world without understanding precisely how this works, and how they move the world.

Hi All,

Hi Kyle and Deb,

I think we here in 3d intellectual think that's how we make decisions in other dimensions, intellectually as we do here.  So when we encounter a problem or problematic life decisions we think, I never would have chosen that.
Maybe that's precisely why we chose them?! Then again too, I wonder how much is simply an extension of encountering beliefs we hold. Perhaps in the 4th, or 5th dimension we have beliefs as well, that we need the experience of 3d to see the effects of those beliefs?
What if a being held the belief that the universe is inherently hostile at its core. Perhaps that being then incarnated into a war torn, prone and ravaged country; till that being understands the reasons for wars, and why people get caught up in such scenarios. Intellectually I doubt anyone would choose a war zone over say a classroom setting where these issues could be studied and perhaps understood..
So is that just the energy of that belief pattern being played out vs. a rational intellectual decision to encounter such a reality?

Seth has said every being is responsible for every thought it thinks. I've been thinking on this lately. I doubt he meant it in a judgemental moral way. Just more as a  cause and inevitable effect kind of way.


Which brings me to Debs Seth quote.

I wish I could ask Seth to define a negative thought.
Take illness for example. Consciously- intellectually I don't think most people consider themselves ill.  Though they may well see the world as critically ill,  and specific groups especially.
So is it the thought the world's ill that is the negative thought that brings illness then to the individual?
Or is it something else the person is thinking about themselves specifically that invites an illness in? A combo of both? I'm just using this as a simplistic example.

I suspect at this time in our evolution we have somehow intellectually flipped the questions that need to be asked inversely, or backwards. That's not even getting into how most people collectively project onto others what's within us.

This is part of why I think we are in a sim. A specific place where individually and collectively a being can work on   particular issues.

Just my thoughts at this time. I'm really enjoying this thread, Thank you everyone!

Quote from: Sena (quoting Seth)
The day of death is known.

That quote sounds fairly concrete. But Seth said at some point that He and Ruburt had some kind of "contract" that she would be channeling Seth for a longer period of time than actually happened. Did Seth not also say that Ruburt had a choice on whether to live or die? Did he not also say that she would regain her health? There are also many accounts of NDEs in which the experiencer is offered the choice to either stay or go back.

P.S.

Is it commonly held social norms and morals that are producing the negative beliefs?  Or that are far enough away from universal laws for lack of better words.

The belief every country has that it needs standing armies to fight off other hostile nations?
When in actuality most wars are the result of political shenanigans than any real intent of a large number of people to attack them. Not saying that's always the case, just more often than not.

On the other hand what happens if most countries people's and governments are holding hands and singing kumbya and a character like Hitler comes along precisely because everyone is doing that?!

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Did Seth not also say that Ruburt had a choice on whether to live or die? Did he not also say that she would regain her health?

Larry, it is difficult to comment unless you give the actual quote. It may be that the knowledge of the day of Jane's death was not available to Seth. It may have been only Jane's Inner Self who had that knowledge.

The following is a quote from "The Way to Health", APRIL 25,1984:

"Jane was blue and uncomfortable this morning: "What a way to live,"
she said. She'd thought of death, but didn't want to do that to me.."

Good point, Sena, but there is still the option given to some NDE experiencers.

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Consciously such knowledge is not given to the ego for obvious reasons, but every organism, through its inner senses, is equipped with subconscious knowledge of personal disasters, deaths, and so forth,

Yes, I am aware that NDE experiencers are able to choose whether or not to die. What it could mean is that the person thinks he is making a free choice, but it is the Inner Self making the decision for him, that the day of death has not yet arrived.

P.S. I am sorry the Inner Self of this website has attributed a Seth quote to you!!

Quote from: Sena
Yes, I am aware that NDE experiencers are able to choose whether or not to die. What it could mean is that the person thinks he is making a free choice, but it is the Inner Self making the decision for him, that the day of death has not yet arrived.

But there are cases where the NDE experiencer is told he has no choice, he has to go back. It seems logical that death would come not on a particular pre-determined date, but after completion of certain tasks or lessons that one was born to accomplish. Also, anecdotally, a personality may choose suicide, cutting short the entity's intention, and then the personality is quickly re-born to finish the tasks.

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I wish I could ask Seth to define a negative thought.
Take illness for example. Consciously- intellectually I don't think most people consider themselves ill.  Though they may well see the world as critically ill,  and specific groups especially.
So is it the thought the world's ill that is the negative thought that brings illness then to the individual?
Or is it something else the person is thinking about themselves specifically that invites an illness in? A combo of both? I'm just using this as a simplistic example.

Yep, where's Seth when we need him? As far as what brings illness to us, one would be suggestibility. I wonder how many constantly repeated commercials have caused illness, even covid? I've read that when we watch TV, we go into a sort of hypnotic trance. All these commercials for drugs suggest we are likely to suffer from the illness that's being advertised, and are given a list of symptoms to check ourselves against. They all follow standard marketing where there's a specific problem defined (an illness), a solution (a magical pill), and then the people relieved of their symptoms are smiling, happy, free, all done in slow motion... walking off into the sunset, or watching the sun set in side-by-side bathtubs in the back yard (never understood that one).

"The breast cancer suggestions associated with self-examinations have caused more cancers than any treatments have cured (most emphatically). They involve intense meditation of the body, and adverse imagery that itself affects the bodily cells.  Public health announcements about high blood pressure themselves raise the blood pressure of millions of television viewers (even more emphatically)."
—NoME Chapter 2: Session 805, May 16, 1977

Another cause some sort of internal conflict. Seth was constantly explaining to people the symbolism behind what ailed them, what was going on in the psyche that manifested the outward signs.

After that quote I shared yesterday between Seth and Cyril, Cyril asks Seth about a problem he recently started having with his eyes. Seth tells him there's a particular issue in his life that he is waiting to have cleared up. He was waiting for a particular issue to clear up, using the eyes, therefore, as a symbolic means of telling yourself that you have not seen this issue clearly. He said it would help for Cyril to remind himself the issue will be resolved. You're probably all aware of Louise Hay's book, "Heal Your Body", about the mental causes for physical illness.

And sure, I can how see a general unhappiness with world events could be internalized.

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Quote from: Sena (quoting Seth)
The day of death is known.

That quote sounds fairly concrete. But Seth said at some point that He and Ruburt had some kind of "contract" that she would be channeling Seth for a longer period of time than actually happened. Did Seth not also say that Ruburt had a choice on whether to live or die? Did he not also say that she would regain her health? There are also many accounts of NDEs in which the experiencer is offered the choice to either stay or go back.

I wasn't sure if Seth meant that as being carved in stone the time of our birth, or it it meant at the other end, when we are at a death opportunity. As far as the day being known, my father seemed to have a sense he was going to die and not see me again, considering the way he said goodbye to me the day before he died. He was not ill, it was sudden, but on some level he knew.

The quotes I put up above from UR1, where Seth was explaining to Rob that he could have died when a child but wanted to live, and another "him" instead chose to die, tells me that because of probable selves we do have some free will to choose.

So does this:

"All probable worlds exist now. All probable variations on the most minute aspect in any reality exist now. You weave in and out of probabilities constantly, picking and choosing as you go along. The cells within your body do the same thing."
—UR1 Section 1: Session 681 February 11, 1974

Jane chose to not get better, or maybe could not overcome whatever beliefs were making her illness. There were times when she made progress. She was able to do some physical things while speaking as Seth that she could not to as herself. Such as lifting her arms high, while as Jane her arms were practically frozen.

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P.S. I am sorry the Inner Self of this website has attributed a Seth quote to you!!

Ha ha, I can tell you how to fix that. When you take a partial quote, you can change the name between the ]brackets[ to whatever you want. See the attachment below.

Quote from: LarryH
But there are cases where the NDE experiencer is told he has no choice, he has to go back. It seems logical that death would come not on a particular pre-determined date, but after completion of certain tasks or lessons that one was born to accomplish. Also, anecdotally, a personality may choose suicide, cutting short the entity's intention, and then the personality is quickly re-born to finish the tasks.

Makes sense to me... the intentions of the entity do take priority our free will. Seth said as much.

QuoteRuburt's eyeglasses will shortly need changing, since he insists upon using them. The use of them, however, would not be necessary if he would utilize the healing abilities which he possesses.

("Can he consciously use these healing abilities?")

The question is poorly put. He can use them with the aid of the unconscious, and he certainly is learning to use his unconscious.
The difficulty is in the construction of his images on a visual field, rather than in his perception of them. He should be able now to construct such images more faithfully, but habit and conditioning holds back, though the ability to construct images on a visual level has already improved.
As long as he uses glasses, the ability will not be utilized, and the glasses will shortly need to be changed.

--- TES2, Session 69

To me, this quote is important more than as a healing method. It points to the importance of how we look at things, including how we interpret Seth's words. (Everything has a multi-layered symbolism, and everybody interprets according to their evolvement needs.)

What I get from it, is that consciously creating reality can be done only by  working with your unconscious; I think that Seth refers here to subconscious.
 

Quote from: Deb on May 21, 2021, 04:56:47 PMAfter that quote I shared yesterday between Seth and Cyril, Cyril asks Seth about a problem he recently started having with his eyes. Seth tells him there's a particular issue in his life that he is waiting to have cleared up. He was waiting for a particular issue to clear up, using the eyes, therefore, as a symbolic means of telling yourself that you have not seen this issue clearly. He said it would help for Cyril to remind himself the issue will be resolved.

I relate to this story.

I found out that twenty-five years ago, when my eyesight degraded to the point of having to permanently wear eyeglasses for distance, it was because I was in period of my life when I was very concerned with work related issues, and consequently I unconsciously directed my subconscious to narrow my focus to that, while defocusing from almost everything else.

Now I only rarely wear glasses. Interestingly enough, my inquiring of why I was wearing glasses was triggered by their breaking.

Quote from: Deb on May 21, 2021, 04:56:47 PMJane chose to not get better, or maybe could not overcome whatever beliefs were making her illness. There were times when she made progress. She was able to do some physical things while speaking as Seth that she could not to as herself. Such as lifting her arms high, while as Jane her arms were practically frozen.

In the beginning I wondered about that on the same lines. More recently, as I started to look at almost everything from a different perspective, I consider another possibility, that relates to your quote:

Quote"All probable worlds exist now. All probable variations on the most minute aspect in any reality exist now. You weave in and out of probabilities constantly, picking and choosing as you go along. The cells within your body do the same thing."
—UR1 Section 1: Session 681 February 11, 1974

It is possible that Jane became so evolved that she could change her reality beyond what Rob, doctors, and many others believed possible for Jane's illness. So, it is possible that at that point she chose a reality in which she got healed, where others couldn't follow her. In their (our) reality Jane died, while in her reality those who couldn't follow her (because of their limiting beliefs about reality) disappeared in some way.

I expect that this hypothesis to be a wild stretch for many others ...

Quote from: inavalan on February 12, 2022, 11:38:08 PM

Quote from: Deb on May 21, 2021, 04:56:47 PMAfter that quote I shared yesterday between Seth and Cyril, Cyril asks Seth about a problem he recently started having with his eyes. Seth tells him there's a particular issue in his life that he is waiting to have cleared up. He was waiting for a particular issue to clear up, using the eyes, therefore, as a symbolic means of telling yourself that you have not seen this issue clearly. He said it would help for Cyril to remind himself the issue will be resolved.

I relate to this story.

I found out that twenty-five years ago, when my eyesight degraded to the point of having to permanently wear eyeglasses for distance, it was because I was in period of my life when I was very concerned with work related issues, and consequently I unconsciously directed my subconscious to narrow my focus to that, while defocusing from almost everything else.

Now I only rarely wear glasses. Interestingly enough, my inquiring of why I was wearing glasses was triggered by their breaking.

Inavalan, I had the same experience. A period of depression in my 20s caused my distance vision to deteriorate and I needed glasses. I believe in the Bates Method at the core of which is taking an interest in the world is what makes you see. Perhaps when life is too challenging and we don't want to see the world or even when old age makes us take the external world for granted we lose interest in it and our sight deteriorates. Anyway I overcame my depression and haven't worn glasses for over a decade now.

I treat animals (mainly dogs) and people with Bach flower remedies. The core ethos of Bach is a negative emotion will create negative energy and this will manifest physically as illness in the body. A Course in Miracles says something similar that the body is a physical representation of the mind.

The main purpose of this is to provide signposts to the self to fix these negative ways of being. Nature then is giving primacy to the consciousness for it sacrifices the body so that the mind may expand.

Quote from: inavalan on February 12, 2022, 11:58:25 PMIt is possible that Jane became so evolved that she could change her reality beyond what Rob, doctors, and many others believed possible for Jane's illness. So, it is possible that at that point she chose a reality in which she got healed, where others couldn't follow her. In their (our) reality Jane died, while in her reality those who couldn't follow her (because of their limiting beliefs about reality) disappeared in some way.

Wow, what an idea! I can see that, weaving in and out of probabilities, choosing. BTW in listening to Mary's interviews of individuals that knew Jane personally, several others also gave examples of physical feats Jane could accomplish while in trance that she couldn't do otherwise.

It wasn't always in trance that she was able to do that either, there are plenty of notes about her condition improving for a while, and then she'd lose ground, so for whatever reason she did or could not maintain it. Of course those other probable Janes that were in better shape continued on while "our" Jane died. More books were "probably" written. Maybe she saw the opportunity to fulfill a pre-life goal.

It sure would be nice to learn how to consciously visit other probable realities on command, other than during sleep. It would be fascinating.

Quote from: Bora137 on February 13, 2022, 04:07:47 PMI treat animals (mainly dogs) and people with Bach flower remedies. The core ethos of Bach is a negative emotion will create negative energy and this will manifest physically as illness in the body. A Course in Miracles says something similar that the body is a physical representation of the mind.

The main purpose of this is to provide signposts to the self to fix these negative ways of being. Nature then is giving primacy to the consciousness for it sacrifices the body so that the mind may expand.

Seth also says the same about our bodies.    Yes to signposts, any physical discomfort or ailment should make us reflect on what thoughts, beliefs, or current turmoil could be the root of the problem. Jane would constantly soul search her own health problems and came up with an interesting list of reasons why. Hopefully I'll be able to share her list some day, since Jane's health failures are such a big interest to people. ("If she couldn't get it right, what makes me think I can?")

BTW I used to use a Bach remedy for my African Grey. They are very nervous, almost neurotic, birds and mine would have a seizure when a tech would trim her nails. Rescue Remedy did help. Amazing story about glasses, too!

I think Deb that list would be very interesting. It is so difficult sometimes to identify what we are actually feeling let alone pin point the cause, then link it to a physical issue. I find it difficult anyway. I think a part of the problem is a lot of us are empathetic so we are actually feeling someone else's feeling and not even know it and it's like okay where is this stuff coming from?? So in those situations it's good to take a look at the people you have been around to see if you've 'picked up' an emotion they have been experiencing.

Great that your parrot is benefiting from Bach 

Quote from: Bora137 on February 14, 2022, 03:32:20 PMI think Deb ...
Great that your parrot is benefiting from Bach 

This reminds me how we treated our dog with homeopathic remedies. Obviously, she wasn't aware that the little pills were supposed to heal her, but they did (!).

Surely, we can also explain this through our beliefs and expectations creating our reality, also influencing our dog's creation of her reality ...

Quote from: inavalan on February 14, 2022, 03:48:39 PM

Quote from: Bora137 on February 14, 2022, 03:32:20 PMI think Deb ...
Great that your parrot is benefiting from Bach 

This reminds me how we treated our dog with homeopathic remedies. Obviously, she wasn't aware that the little pills were supposed to heal her, but they did (!).

Surely, we can also explain this through our beliefs and expectations creating our reality, also influencing our dog's creation of her reality ...

In the latter explanation, those homeopathic pills were crutches for our creation of our realities, not directly for our dog's creation of her reality ...

Quote from: inavalan on February 14, 2022, 03:48:39 PMSurely, we can also explain this through our beliefs and expectations creating our reality, also influencing our dog's creation of her reality ...

Or it was a cooperative venture on both of your parts. 

Quote from: inavalan on February 14, 2022, 04:14:54 PM

Quote from: inavalan on February 14, 2022, 03:48:39 PM

Quote from: Bora137 on February 14, 2022, 03:32:20 PMI think Deb ...
Great that your parrot is benefiting from Bach 

This reminds me how we treated our dog with homeopathic remedies. Obviously, she wasn't aware that the little pills were supposed to heal her, but they did (!).

Surely, we can also explain this through our beliefs and expectations creating our reality, also influencing our dog's creation of her reality ...

In the latter explanation, those homeopathic pills were crutches for our creation of our realities, not directly for our dog's creation of her reality ...

This seems to add to the discussion above:

• "The keystone here is that you are only aware of your own constructions. This is most important. You truly construct your own environment, and it in turn then has its influence upon you."
  
  
• "The healthy physical body, therefore, is eloquent testimony of inner balance. And in all cases of illness, the inner cause must be uncovered; not only uncovered intellectually, but understood intuitively if recovery is to take place.
  
  I mentioned at one time the unfortunate occurrence of your dog's illness. The dog, of course, created and maintained his own physical construction, but you saw only your own construction of him.
  
  Through his inner senses however, he sensed your energetic support. We will go into the psychic cooperation and the overlapping which exists between all consciousnesses, to maintain the appearance and construction of matter.
  
  The dog, for reasons that I will go into later, did not have your capacity for drawing upon energy. He could not project his own construction after a certain point without help from your psychic stores. This is not unusual, and all consciousnesses exchange energy back and forth; and a great cooperation exists here, of which we have hardly spoken."
  —TES2 Session 66 June 29, 1964

I find this quite informative.

Yes I have.

The latest thing I have healed was something I used the pendulum to help me heal. I had a lovely conversation with my subconscious this way and now its all healed. I was asking if I had any thing I could use on it, naming stuff I had, finally getting a yes answer I asked how much how often. Worded of course to get yes or no answers. So I applied what was a yes and in a few weeks it was all gone!!!!!

I have healed another thing by saying my name over it and letting it know I was NOT born with it and it has no power over me. Its gone too.

Those are my two most recent things.

The first one was spontaneous to use pendulum. The second was from the TES 4 book from the person with the ulcer. It was suggested by Seth to him so I figured heck... if you can cure an ulcer this way I sure as heck can use it for this thing.

And it worked!

I did the second one as a stand alone ... I guess affirmation but it was more like a burst of love for myself and that I was not born with it and it needed to leave lol I did it as much as I do affirmations OR whenever I thought about it.

"You dont belong here and my name is such and such I was not born with you, and you need to leave.".. type of thing.

Anyway without going into too many details ... your NAME HAS POWER.

Strangerthings, what was the form of the thing you ask your subconscious if it needed, not after specifics just was it a substance or a mantra or event or other? I'm very interested in healing and I suppose I'm curious as to how you ask in a yes or no fashion and arrive at what it needs - the number of things in the world is quite large so I'm thinking a lot of asking is involved. Is there a technique to this asking, do you move from very broad categories and then narrow down and down?

Quote from: Bora137 on March 01, 2022, 05:56:44 PMStrangerthings, what was the form of the thing you ask your subconscious if it needed, not after specifics just was it a substance or a mantra or event or other? I'm very interested in healing and I suppose I'm curious as to how you ask in a yes or no fashion and arrive at what it needs - the number of things in the world is quite large so I'm thinking a lot of asking is involved. Is there a technique to this asking, do you move from very broad categories and then narrow down and down?

Hi!! 

Well I have been playing with it learning how it responds and such... I had something on top of my hand I write with and since I had cancer I was very concerned and did not want to focus on it being that so to keep me from worrying over it I chose to ask via the pendulum if it was cancer. It moved east to west as a no .. with big swings!!!!!! To emphasize!!! Because I was fretting a bit. So I asked if I already have anything I could use that would help me heal it.

Ive had it for over a year but it grew very itchy!!Which is what made me start to worry!


Anyway, I went through neosporin, bacitracin, pills, lotions ... it kept saying "no" lol

I asked ok do I have anything in my bathroom or bedroom that will heal it. It swung "yes". Ok .. so I went to my bathroom and began listing what I had they were all "no".

Ok ... so I moved into my bedroom and listed the things I have around and finally got a "yes"!

Cetaphil! Its a lotion LOL

Mind you I had already listed outloud lotions after lotions haha

But Cetaphil won the day!!!


I asked if it was to be applied once a day it said no

Twice a day? "No"

Ok .. as much as I want to?

Big big swinging yes!

I ended up using it quite a bit!!!

Probably 5 or 6 times a day after a week of doing it 2 x's a day. Morning and night.

I noticed within 3 or 4 days after changing, it was going away.

It was two bumps on my hand. On top of hand on a vein.

So its all gone now!!! Zero trace!!

I also told my skin cells how much I appreciate them when rubbing this lotion on them. I did a health affirmation about cells and I began greeting them etc

Pretty amazing!!! I mean I have vitamin oils, other really great lotions, neosporin and such and Cetaphil wins the day lol

Its gone though !!! No trace !!!

And I tell ya I just love talking to my subconscious for the time alotted!!

Just dont ask for predictions LOL its not .... for that! Trust me LOL


I used the pendulum to find out if my final divorce decree had been sent to court... it had been 3 months not hearing anything and it told me no!!!!

So I called court and spoke to the assistant to judge who told me "no"!!!!!

Grrrrrrr lol

It really works!!!

Haha yes I've learnt not to ask it about the future but I still do now and then and when it's wrong we fall out and it stops moving for a bit.

Well done amazing achievement to heal yourself like that 🙂. I've never used it in that way but will try when the need arises now. Thanks for explaining it 🙏

Quote from: strangerthings on March 01, 2022, 10:36:04 PM

Quote from: Bora137 on March 01, 2022, 05:56:44 PMStrangerthings, what was the form of the thing you ask your subconscious if it needed, not after specifics just was it a substance or a mantra or event or other? I'm very interested in healing and I suppose I'm curious as to how you ask in a yes or no fashion and arrive at what it needs - the number of things in the world is quite large so I'm thinking a lot of asking is involved. Is there a technique to this asking, do you move from very broad categories and then narrow down and down?

Hi!! 

Well I have been playing with it learning how it responds and such... I had something on top of my hand I write with and since I had cancer I was very concerned and did not want to focus on it being that so to keep me from worrying over it I chose to ask via the pendulum if it was cancer. It moved east to west as a no .. with big swings!!!!!! To emphasize!!! Because I was fretting a bit. So I asked if I already have anything I could use that would help me heal it.

Ive had it for over a year but it grew very itchy!!Which is what made me start to worry!


Anyway, I went through neosporin, bacitracin, pills, lotions ... it kept saying "no" lol

I asked ok do I have anything in my bathroom or bedroom that will heal it. It swung "yes". Ok .. so I went to my bathroom and began listing what I had they were all "no".

Ok ... so I moved into my bedroom and listed the things I have around and finally got a "yes"!

Cetaphil! Its a lotion LOL

Mind you I had already listed outloud lotions after lotions haha

But Cetaphil won the day!!!


I asked if it was to be applied once a day it said no

Twice a day? "No"

Ok .. as much as I want to?

Big big swinging yes!

I ended up using it quite a bit!!!

Probably 5 or 6 times a day after a week of doing it 2 x's a day. Morning and night.

I noticed within 3 or 4 days after changing, it was going away.

It was two bumps on my hand. On top of hand on a vein.

So its all gone now!!! Zero trace!!

I also told my skin cells how much I appreciate them when rubbing this lotion on them. I did a health affirmation about cells and I began greeting them etc

Pretty amazing!!! I mean I have vitamin oils, other really great lotions, neosporin and such and Cetaphil wins the day lol

Its gone though !!! No trace !!!

And I tell ya I just love talking to my subconscious for the time alotted!!

Just dont ask for predictions LOL its not .... for that! Trust me LOL


I used the pendulum to find out if my final divorce decree had been sent to court... it had been 3 months not hearing anything and it told me no!!!!

So I called court and spoke to the assistant to judge who told me "no"!!!!!

Grrrrrrr lol

It really works!!!

Nice description. Thank you!

QuoteAnd I tell ya I just love talking to my subconscious for the time alotted!!

Just dont ask for predictions LOL its not .... for that! Trust me LOL

I believe that predictions don't work because the future isn't set. So, you have to choose your target, install an expectation for it, then make intuitive choices. You can use a pendulum, or whatever method of contacting your subconscious you favor.