~Speaking of Seth~

One of the main reasons we are attracted to the Seth books is to discover the real purposes of our lives. Seth said that he could reveal this only to a limited extent, partly because our state of development is such that we would not be able to understand these purposes:

"Life and consciousness, without the means to express them, are not meaningless, for life and consciousness have their own purposes; and of these purposes I am not prepared now to tell you."

"You must realize, again, that nothing is static, psychological activity least of all. In your state of development you cannot easily understand the meaning of the word "purpose," for to you the term itself implies an eventual rigidity, a goal with an end, a progression, literally, toward a nothingness that it would have to follow once a goal in those terms was achieved. The word purpose implies limited dimension. Value fulfillment has no such implications, and the purposes of which I have spoken are multidimensional. This is all I will tell you now in that regard. One aside here: while I am myself as you know me, I am also the other personality that sometimes speaks. This does not mean that what I am as you know me, ends, or is finished, in what he is. (Humorously.) I am overjoyed to be the self that you know (smile), and I do indeed take pleasure in that existence, and in meeting its responsibilities. (Pause.) The other personality (smile), which is also myself, has a warm spot in its heart for me (stronger, forceful voice), though again, he would not put it in those terms. He enjoys his own existence. Both of us are obviously then portions of a larger self, and manifestations of it, but one does not end in the other, and one's purpose is not to become the other. We all, quite simply, are. Keep this sort of thing in mind when you think in terms of purposes. For the word can distract you, and lead you into narrowing concepts." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material", Session 428, by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts)

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One of the main reasons we are attracted to the Seth books is to discover the real purposes of our lives. Seth said that he could reveal this only to a limited extent, partly because our state of development is such that we would not be able to understand these purposes:

"Life and consciousness, without the means to express them, are not meaningless, for life and consciousness have their own purposes; and of these purposes I am not prepared now to tell you."

"You must realize, again, that nothing is static, psychological activity least of all. In your state of development you cannot easily understand the meaning of the word "purpose," for to you the term itself implies an eventual rigidity, a goal with an end, a progression, literally, toward a nothingness that it would have to follow once a goal in those terms was achieved. The word purpose implies limited dimension. Value fulfillment has no such implications, and the purposes of which I have spoken are multidimensional. This is all I will tell you now in that regard. One aside here: while I am myself as you know me, I am also the other personality that sometimes speaks. This does not mean that what I am as you know me, ends, or is finished, in what he is. (Humorously.) I am overjoyed to be the self that you know (smile), and I do indeed take pleasure in that existence, and in meeting its responsibilities. (Pause.) The other personality (smile), which is also myself, has a warm spot in its heart for me (stronger, forceful voice), though again, he would not put it in those terms. He enjoys his own existence. Both of us are obviously then portions of a larger self, and manifestations of it, but one does not end in the other, and one's purpose is not to become the other. We all, quite simply, are. Keep this sort of thing in mind when you think in terms of purposes. For the word can distract you, and lead you into narrowing concepts." (from "The Early Sessions: Book 9 of The Seth Material", Session 428, by Jane Roberts, Robert Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/gqOV8wl

"As mentioned earlier, earthly existence is a training period; and yet as far as possible I would like you to forget your ordinary ideas of progression. Ideas of good, better, best can lead you astray, for example. You are learning to be as completely as possible. In one way you are learning to create yourselves. In so doing during the reincarnational cycle, you are focusing your main abilities in physical life, developing human qualities and characteristics, opening new dimensions of activity. This does not mean that good does not exist, or that in your terms you do not "progress," but your concepts of good and progression are extremely distorted." (Session 541, Seth Speaks)

"Past, present, and future, as you know, exist at once in the spacious present. We have been speaking in terms of the personal past, present and future, as it exists for the individual. Let us now consider the spacious present in different terms. What does it mean as applied to the question of the origin of your universe, and those events which you consider historical?
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Those principles which I gave you as applying to the individual must obviously apply to nations and to peoples. Therefore if the individual can change his own past, then it must follow that a people can change its past, that a nation can change past events, that the future can influence the past historically, and even you see that a death can alter the birth. Actions, even historic actions, within your system, have their reality you see in other systems also, though they will be perceived in quite a different manner. Remember some of the main points I gave you on probabilities. You see, in some dimension Napoleon conquered Europe completely, and the reactions resulting from that probability continue in that dimension.
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Again, you merely perceive a small portion of any given action, and when you cease to perceive it then it seems to you that the action itself ceases, and so an artificial boundary is erected. You perceive only the most initial elements of such an action. It is as if you threw a ball, and could only follow the ball three inches away in space – then the ball would seem to vanish to you. The action would therefore seem completed. You would think it idiotic to imagine what happened to the ball when you could see it no longer, for habit would work in such a way that the disappearance of the ball would seem natural and normal, and a part of the nature of things. So, comparing the ball to an action, you perceive but the smallest portion of any given action, even one performed by yourself. It does not occur to you that there is more to perceive" (Session 248, TES 6).


Hi Sena,

For the time being, our 'purpose' is to master our life as completely as possible. According to Seth we are part of  larger systems (nested structures) which we are only beginning to understand, e.g. with the help of his books. We are usually not aware of the more overarching character of the events in which we or our nations are  involved.

According to Seth (in Seth Speaks) at his level he is fully aware of all his reincarnational and probable lives. We are not.

The assassination of J.F.K was a probable event as well (session 254).  Presumably, as in the case of Napoleon, part of a larger picture.

Hi Sena hi all

The problem as I see this is that with any channel it can fall victim to distortion through adoption or development of an organised religion around it. The main motivation for many religions is organised control by means of a moralistic agenda. The 'why' of life opens the channel to this threat. If you are seen to be not acting in alignment with the why or purpose of life you are open to condemnation and moralising scrutiny from those who proclaim themselves to be 'on high'. Seth was wise to this I believe. Personally I like Ra for purpose, just be aware that some advocates can be a little overzealous. Seth avoids this by avoiding the why.

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If you are seen to be not acting in alignment with the why or purpose of life you are open to condemnation and moralising scrutiny from those who proclaim themselves to be 'on high'. Seth was wise to this I believe.

Bora, how I see it is that Seth was referring to a mystery (or mysteries). Why should we assume that any channeled entity is going to reveal everything about the nature of life and consciousness? Probably Seth was more honest than Ra by saying that he was not prepared to tell us about certain things.

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Hi Sena,

For the time being, our 'purpose' is to master our life as completely as possible.

Tob, did Seth say that? Please give the reference if possible.

It's in the second line of the post (Seth Speaks)

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"Life and consciousness, without the means to express them, are not meaningless, for life and consciousness have their own purposes; and of these purposes I am not prepared now to tell you."

Sena, this is interesting to me because it brings up a distinction between the meaning of human "life and consciousness" and the purpose of your life as a person. For the more general question, and for us, he might as well answer "42" and leave it at that.

But for the purpose of your life as a person, that must be learned from your own daimon or guide or angel, methinks. It's too personal for Seth to answer, in that case... just a thought, but does it answer anything?

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Hi Sena hi all

The problem as I see this is that with any channel it can fall victim to distortion through adoption or development of an organised religion around it. The main motivation for many religions is organised control by means of a moralistic agenda. The 'why' of life opens the channel to this threat. If you are seen to be not acting in alignment with the why or purpose of life you are open to condemnation and moralising scrutiny from those who proclaim themselves to be 'on high'. Seth was wise to this I believe. Personally I like Ra for purpose, just be aware that some advocates can be a little overzealous. Seth avoids this by avoiding the why.

When I had a spiritual NLP mentor he said the same thing pretty much as Seth, in regards to the "why".
Why is a sticky thing in the mind ;*)
Thanks for sharing.

https://findingseth.com/q/Purpose/

Just thought it might be helpful


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SS Chapter 3: Session 519, March 23, 1970

When you think of the purpose of your existence, you think in terms of daily waking life, but you also work at your purpose in these other dream dimensions, and you are then in communication with other portions of your own entity, at work at endeavors quite as valid as those you are about in waking life.

@Tob

Again, you merely perceive a small portion of any given action, and when you cease to perceive it then it seems to you that the action itself ceases, and so an artificial boundary is erected. You perceive only the most initial elements of such an action. It is as if you threw a ball, and could only follow the ball three inches away in space – then the ball would seem to vanish to you. The action would therefore seem completed. You would think it idiotic to imagine what happened to the ball when you could see it no longer, for habit would work in such a way that the disappearance of the ball would seem natural and normal, and a part of the nature of things. So, comparing the ball to an action, you perceive but the smallest portion of any given action, even one performed by yourself. It does not occur to you that there is more to perceive" (Session 248, TES 6).


The butterfly effect..... sorta sounds like this.

Seth teaches an exercise (as did my Spiritual NLP mentor ) to "follow the breath" and see where it goes.

We are so blessed to not create instantly on the physical plane-T lol ( yes there are exceptions 🙂, and then there is the dream state altogether different lol)

Not everyone even sees the same ball being bounced ( or chair, table, earth) , or the ground its being bounced on etc etc

All so fascinating!

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It's in the second line of the post (Seth Speaks)

Tob, is this the one?:

Quote"As mentioned earlier, earthly existence is a training period; and yet as far as possible I would like you to forget your ordinary ideas of progression. Ideas of good, better, best can lead you astray, for example. You are learning to be as completely as possible. In one way you are learning to create yourselves. In so doing during the reincarnational cycle, you are focusing your main abilities in physical life, developing human qualities and characteristics, opening new dimensions of activity. This does not mean that good does not exist, or that in your terms you do not "progress," but your concepts of good and progression are extremely distorted." (Session 541, Seth Speaks)

I don't think we should over-simplify what Seth has said.

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But for the purpose of your life as a person, that must be learned from your own daimon or guide or angel, methinks. It's too personal for Seth to answer, in that case... just a thought, but does it answer anything?

Kyle, I agree. The "purpose" of life is different for every person.

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SS Chapter 3: Session 519, March 23, 1970

When you think of the purpose of your existence, you think in terms of daily waking life, but you also work at your purpose in these other dream dimensions, and you are then in communication with other portions of your own entity, at work at endeavors quite as valid as those you are about in waking life.

strangerthings, thanks for finding that quote. The fact is that I have only a very limited awareness of "these other dream dimensions", which means that sometimes I find the direction of my life quite puzzling.

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Quote from: Tob


It's in the second line of the post (Seth Speaks)

Tob, is this the one?:

Quote"As mentioned earlier, earthly existence is a training period; and yet as far as possible I would like you to forget your ordinary ideas of progression. Ideas of good, better, best can lead you astray, for example. You are learning to be as completely as possible. In one way you are learning to create yourselves. In so doing during the reincarnational cycle, you are focusing your main abilities in physical life, developing human qualities and characteristics, opening new dimensions of activity. This does not mean that good does not exist, or that in your terms you do not "progress," but your concepts of good and progression are extremely distorted." (Session 541, Seth Speaks)

I don't think we should over-simplify what Seth has said.

'You are learning to BE as completely as possible'. He doesn't say: 'You are learning to be complete'. Your 'purpose' is to BE.

Quote from: Sena

Quote from: Tob


It's in the second line of the post (Seth Speaks)

Tob, is this the one?:

Quote"As mentioned earlier, earthly existence is a training period; and yet as far as possible I would like you to forget your ordinary ideas of progression. Ideas of good, better, best can lead you astray, for example. You are learning to be as completely as possible. In one way you are learning to create yourselves. In so doing during the reincarnational cycle, you are focusing your main abilities in physical life, developing human qualities and characteristics, opening new dimensions of activity. This does not mean that good does not exist, or that in your terms you do not "progress," but your concepts of good and progression are extremely distorted." (Session 541, Seth Speaks)

I don't think we should over-simplify what Seth has said.

Sena thank you SO much for posting that. I really benefitted from that.

I want to print it and take it with me everywhere LOL BIG bold letters 😆

BE BEING

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