~Speaking of Seth~

• "There is much that you do not know regarding this kind of session, and the means to which it may be put. Ruburt has endeavored to speak to Pete and explain to him how his ability should be used and should not be used."

• "He understands what Ruburt has told him, and I am certain that he will explain it well to you. Briefly however, psychic development should lead to overall personality development. It should not be used in order to make things easier in physical terms, though I understand indeed that this is a temptation, and an understandable one. [...]"

• "Now, the love that binds you all is a close, sometimes open... (words missed again)...that which is too much for him at this time... (and again.)... This sort of session is not primarily to tell you what you should do, Stephen. [...]"

• "Your particular personality is not helped if I should tell you what to do in the specific incidents that are requested. [...]"

• "Stephen, you should try relaxation techniques. [...] You are not, however, using them to capacity now."

• "[...] You must simply take my word for it, that it would be highly disadvantageous to your development if I told you what you should do now, and what steps you should take."

• "[...] There is a tendency, again, to lash out at others, and this should be restrained. Live every day to its fullest, and do not be a slave to your hopes for the future. If you do not learn to enjoy today you will not enjoy the future no matter what it may bring."

• "Now. [...] You have strength and ability that you do not realize you possess, and it will withstand you. You do not have to be afraid of testing yourself against attainable goals. You do not have to look for windfalls."

—TES8 Session 359 August 7, 1967

So psychic development is say, oh look I can leave my body. This in turn informs the personality that its existence is not dependent on the body therefore it cares a lot less about providing for the physical self and instead refocuses on helping others say. Would this be and example of psychic development leading personality development? I think this sheds a lot of light for me on why Seth focuses so much on psychic development.

Quote from: Bora137 on May 12, 2022, 05:16:24 PMSo psychic development is say, oh look I can leave my body. This in turn informs the personality that its existence is not dependent on the body therefore it cares a lot less about providing for the physical self and instead refocuses on helping others say. Would this be and example of psychic development leading personality development? I think this sheds a lot of light for me on why Seth focuses so much on psychic development.

When I have such questions, I often draw an analogy with awake vs dream, where my dream character and perspective correspond to my physically-awake self.

So, thinking in terms of developing my personality when awake, would be analogous to developing my awake-self by doing something in my dream. There are techniques for that like dream incubation, and there are more advanced approaches like dream yoga.

I think that in those quotes Seth points to pursuing the goal of the evolvement of our personality, for example by harmonizing the outer- with the inner-self, by developing our inner-senses, by interpreting the symbolism in the events and situations we experience. He seems to advise against focusing our psychic development toward materializing our physical-reality related desires, as that actually becomes detrimental to our personality's evolvement.

Your example, as I understood it, isn't about the development of your personality, but about showing your awake-self something unexplainable by our current level of science and common-sense, that could also be a product of imagination, or of dreaming in the conventional sense.

Quote from: inavalan on May 12, 2022, 02:50:45 PM"He understands what Ruburt has told him, and I am certain that he will explain it well to you. Briefly however, psychic development should lead to overall personality development. It should not be used in order to make things easier in physical terms, though I understand indeed that this is a temptation, and an understandable one. [...]"

inavalan, thanks for highlighting this. How I understand this is that life's difficulties are given to us as learning opportunities. If "psychic development" leads to quick and easy solutions, those learning opportunities could be lost. Once the personality is well developed, psychic development will follow naturally.

Quote from: Sena on May 12, 2022, 10:41:04 PM

Quote from: inavalan on May 12, 2022, 02:50:45 PM"He understands what Ruburt has told him, and I am certain that he will explain it well to you. Briefly however, psychic development should lead to overall personality development. It should not be used in order to make things easier in physical terms, though I understand indeed that this is a temptation, and an understandable one. [...]"

inavalan, thanks for highlighting this. How I understand this is that life's difficulties are given to us as learning opportunities. If "psychic development" leads to quick and easy solutions, those learning opportunities could be lost. Once the personality is well developed, psychic development will follow naturally.

Glad you found something that resonated with you.

One thought that came to me from those quotes was that as becoming lucid during our dreams (becoming aware of our awake-self's existence, of its intents and interests), so we could / should become lucid during our awake-state (becoming aware of our inner-self's existence, of its intents and interests). Focusing on materializing our physical desires, as tempting and beneficial may seem to us (to our outer-self), becomes detrimental because it distracts from the whole personality's interest in harmoniously evolving on all its levels, as we aren't much conscious of that.

I don't believe that suffering is needed or beneficial in any way other that signaling us that we think and / or believe wrong in some ways. I think that we should watch for it, and at the first sign of pain or suffering we should intuitively investigate what was the source, and address it.

Seth said "psychic development should lead to overall personality development", which, in my understanding, is a little different from "once the personality is well developed, psychic development will follow naturally". But, I accept that everybody does and should interpret Seth (and everything else) in the best way for themselves, which differs from a person to another.

My early exposure to Seth was when I was very young. I'm in my early 60s now.
  I had had some (possibly/probably) predictive psychic experencies: one namely - dream visions of my grandmother's death the night before she died. I had told my mother about it before the phone call came. She told me not to tell anyone.
   I remained agnostic, almost to the point of atheist, writing off the event(s) as coincidence.
   She was interested in Seth and Transcendental Meditation as well as other New Age Concepts.
   As our conversations crossed various points that she had read in Jane Roberts writings, she brought them up - or read them to me.
   Later at 18, I was still mostly agnostic. I was still writing off potential psychic events as coincidences.
   At College, at 18, my roommate was absent, but handed his room over to a man named Sam; whom I felt very uncomfortable around.
   I'll refrain from saying how, but he kicked wide open my psychic and spiritual doors. It is debatable if this was an ethical thing to do, but it was done. I was  changed forever. After that I had no choice, except, to believe anything is possible.
   I experienced many, many different types of psychic experiences and skills.
->> When I didn't want to I often moved things, sometimes with disastrous results. Only the very first time I did it was I actually intending to do it.
->> I would see someone and have a vision (that I was not seeking), it was simply there. And more times than not it came true.
->> At first I was unintentionally hearing other's thoughts. But this intrusive element of life forced discipline.
->> Many unbelievable things occurred. I did develop discipline in certain areas. Others were always wild cards.


-Now to the subject at hand: It was extremely important that I learned
-- anything is possible --. It was extremely important that I learned, that under the right circumstances,
-- I could do anything --.

-I spent a lot of my life, and my 'skills', trying to help people along the way. This too develops personality.


The above two things took me places I would never have imagined!

This is what I think Seth meant by  personality development.

You do not have to do 15 years of searching. Just read "The Most Basic Truth." Accept and believe it, instantly. And it's all you need.

(I searched 15 years, but believe me, you don't have to.)

And in the end. . . True: Anything is Possible, if you can conceive it and believe it. (Of course this can be dangerous, too.) But the most important mystical-spiritual lesson I learned is, and it's a classic...

'Give love to everyone you meet':
->> Everyone you help - you help yourself directly.
->> Everyone you harm - you harm yourself directly.
->> Treat everyone you meet the way THEY want to be treated. . . NOT the way you want to be treated- there is a big difference.

PS: To 'give love' is different than to 'feel love'.


- I hope you find happiness with your search and path.
      Mik

Again, I think you have a lot to share. Many people would benefit. You really get it. Have you considered any ways to do that? I mean, to present your knowledge, straightforward, as you have here would appeal to many.

See my response in my welcome.

But what I said about "the most important mystical-spiritual lesson" is true. If you learn nothing else, you can have a magnificent life if you . . .

   -' Give love to everyone you meet. '-

True, you do have to learn how to 'give love' as opposed to 'feel love'. A good starting place may be the study of chakras, or, the various writings on the different types of love.

When you do this, you're acting in the best ways possible to utilize the lessons that can be learned from Seth. And you don't even have to understand those lessons to do it. Surprisingly you're the biggest beneficiary of the actions.

After you master that, then change it to:

                 --  Give love.  --

And begin to improve the universe in a broader sense. (Implicit: every 'where' & every 'when'.)

Happiness.