~Speaking of Seth~

Very informative and straight forward...

I'm a little confused. She says things in the beginning (I'm paraphrasing) such as:

"No one can do anything to you... your perception, your belief system is the key" makes me think that she's saying one cannot be psychically attacked by someone else, it's a person's perceptions and beliefs creating something it perceives as a psychic attack (or anything else for that matter). Essentially we are creating our own reality.

But then half way through she recommends finding assistance from energy healers, crystals, gems, oils, herbs to break free from an attack, and lists things such as eating meat, GMO foods, certain types of music and using foul language that can "open the gates" to a psychic attack.

It just seems to me that she's contradicting herself. Am I missing something?

Quote from: Deband lists things such as eating meat, GMO foods, certain types of music and using foul language that can "open the gates" to a psychic attack.

It will take more than this to convince me to stop eating meat.

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I'm a little confused. She says things in the beginning (I'm paraphrasing) such as:

"No one can do anything to you... your perception, your belief system is the key" makes me think that she's saying one cannot be psychically attacked by someone else, it's a person's perceptions and beliefs creating something it perceives as a psychic attack (or anything else for that matter). Essentially we are creating our own reality.

But then half way through she recommends finding assistance from energy healers, crystals, gems, oils, herbs to break free from an attack, and lists things such as eating meat, GMO foods, certain types of music and using foul language that can "open the gates" to a psychic attack.

It just seems to me that she's contradicting herself. Am I missing something?

She is taking in account that vast majority of people have some very deep vibration that atract a conflict/atack otherwise they wouldn't actually be atracted to this kind of informations about atacks...In other words if you are intersted in that material is most surely you have some vibration of fear of an atack somehow otherwise you wouldn't be intersted in this material.So she will go in depht to talk about "defending" from an atack because you are not conscious that you are atracting it.You will need the advices of defending from an atack until you needed or clean up the stuff...If you atract it you need the tools to defend it but on the long run the vibration that atracted the situation need to cleaned out or balanced or whatever..But this is the free will of every individual if they choose to do this work so until then advices to defend will be given and are needed...May seems to repeat myself but i am putting this in many different phrases so you may my what i mean as clearly as possible...

Sena: Aborrigenes people being in connection with nature request permission of the animal to be eaten and if permission is given the meat you eat doesn't contain fear/pain intoxicating vibration so is safe to eat...In our society this doesn't happen so basically you don't know how the animal died..Pretty sure in industrial enviroment nobody ask for permission so you get intoxicated from the pain/fear vibration...

Quote from: myststarsPretty sure in industrial enviroment nobody ask for permission so you get intoxicated from the pain/fear vibration...

mystars, if you believe that you get intoxicated in this way, then you probably will. What about asking a plant for permission before you eat it? Some may argue that a plant does not have a brain, but the consciousness of a plant may reside in its cells, or possibly in its DNA. I would not exclude direct communication,bypassing my brain, between my cells and animal/plant cells.

It sounds to me like a belief or beliefs in one or more fears. Like Job said, that which I feared most has come upon me. So if a person is fearful of psychic attack, they are also expecting it. And if they believe that avoiding certain foods, requesting permision of the food to be eaten, or other rituals will protect them then they will probably be protectected. I might be off target, but that's what I'm getting out of this anyway.

Quote from: myststars.You will need the advices of defending from an atack until you needed or clean up the stuff...

It's too bad she's advising people to use 'tools' to clean up their level of attraction rather than taking at look at their own state of mind, but then everyone is different and different approaches will work for them, even if only temporary fixes until they learn the problem lies within.

Quote from: myststarsAborrigenes people being in connection with nature request permission of the animal to be eaten and if permission is given the meat you eat doesn't contain fear/pain

I buy my meat from a local rancher who is into sustainable farming, as natural living conditions as possible for his animals (based on Joe Salatin's model) and humane and stress free slaughter. Part of his reasoning is that stressed, adrenalin soaked animals provide low quality meat. So, that works on more than the spiritual level, I guess. I have been known to mentally apologize and thank animals for providing me food. I am very much an animal lover, but I also eat them.

Quote from: SenaWhat about asking a plant for permission before you eat it?

Funny to me that you would ask that, because I am a big-time gardener and have often wondered how my plants "feel" about being harvested for food. At least with fruits and vegetables, I know they are meant to be consumed since a lot of them depend(ed) on consumption in order to spread their seeds and reproduce. But Seth had said that the animals also make their own reality, so they must come here knowing how they are going to end up. There's a cooperation there. (I'm hoping I'm not confusing an Abraham quote with Seth.) But there is never an excuse for cruelty or a lack of regard for life.

And then (ahem) there's this:

"A cat playfully killing a mouse and eating it is not evil. ... On biological levels both animals understand. NOPR Session 634 01/22/73

I don't know if you'd seen an early discussion here on food, To meat or not to meat. 

Quote from: JimKLike Job said, that which I feared most has come upon me.

Jim, it's interesting that you mention good old Job. It does seem that he created his own reality.

Sena, I believe you're right about that. 

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Quote from: myststars.You will need the advices of defending from an atack until you needed or clean up the stuff...

It's too bad she's advising people to use 'tools' to clean up their level of attraction rather than taking at look at their own state of mind, but then everyone is different and different approaches will work for them, even if only temporary fixes until they learn the problem lies within.

People ALREADY have atracted the agressive event...It's in motion so the tools are needed to "defend" the person that already put this in motion...This tool will be useful until the person cleans up HIS/HER vibration...To survive in an ilusory atacking event a person needs a tool that work in that ilusion..WHen one looks at his/her own mind the first ilusion is transceded and the tool is not needed anymore...Pretty simple...
If i play a video game there i have  "weapons" needed in that video game to survive...If i realize that is a video game = ilusion and this is disolved in my mind then the "weapons" used in that ilusion are disolved too and not needed...THe point is not many people want to give up the video game playing / looking at their own mind so the "weapons" are continually needed to "survive"...At some point the White winged collective consciouness of nine knows that many of us will disolve the video game ilusion but until then they will provide the tools for navigating the ilusion...The spiritual circles use many of the tools ...

Quote from: myststarsPeople ALREADY have atracted the agressive event...It's in motion so the tools are needed to "defend" the person that already put this in motion

I really do get it. I do. They've either attracted or 'invented' the event. For their own purposes. Opportunities for learning and growth. Or whatever. It just all reminds me of voodoo and witch doctors—even today they both work because people believe in them. That's just one small example.

I've never too much into video/computer games (well, except for the Myst series and Alice), and I don't watch much TV but I LOVE The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, American Horror Story. It's all about the same thing: fantasy. To enjoy it, we must suspend our definition/belief of reality for a period of time in order to immerse ourselves in and enjoy the drama. We agree to the 'rules' of the games, much like we agree our existence in this current realm. This reminds me of one of the 'tests' for waking up in a lucid dream:  we need to ask ourselves, what is wrong with this picture? Something out of alignment with our reality is a clue that we are dreaming. Or, are in a fantasy or a game.

Quote from: myststarsTHe point is not many people want to give up the video game playing

Yes, good point. I think there are a LOT of people who don't want to give up the video game/Matrix/dream. We are all at different levels of waking up and all levels are valid and valuable. It's one of the things that keeps our existence so dynamic.

There is plenty to experience video games as an analogy to 3rd density ilusion...To break the illusion you use another ilusion consciously...Video games actually gave me this glimpse to begin to consciously see where the ilusion begins and how it behaves so now i can break the BIGGER illusion...3rd density ...Funny...
Now it clicks ... maybe this is why teenagers are addicted to video games ... Maybe because already know better that this is an illusion so they want to CHOOSE what illusion they want somehow...They don't want to choose the illusion forced on them...But on the other hand they choose "war games" and the ilussion is similar with what the adults play so basically they fool themselves a bit...On the other hand because after many years they realized that both are ilussion and give up on both of them at some point they end up with an emptiness and then things may get in other surprising direction because they want something beyond both the ilusion of the adults and the ilusion of video games so the society suddenly is not enough ...The cars, the house the family etc are not enough anymore...Something is there and they have a burning desire to discover...This is why the "old" system is collapsing ... Teenagers want something beyond anything that most old generations created...The system begun to be so unintersting...

Quote from: myststarsThe cars, the house the family etc are not enough anymore...Something is there and they have a burning desire to discover...This is why the "old" system is collapsing ... Teenagers want something beyond anything that most old generations created...The system begun to be so unintersting...

That's a very interesting thought to me. I've become aware lately of too many people (not just teens) who are so dissatisfied with existence here that they are numbing themselves regularly, whether it is through video games, drugs, alcohol, food or whatever they do to to insulate themselves from the current reality. Considering what Seth said about our choosing this existence intentionally, it seems so strange that we chose to come into this 3D existence with so many plans in place, and then while here spend so much time trying to get away from it. Complete discomfort, dissatisfaction. It is fight or flight... or avoidance.

And yet, that is how progress and change are achieved. It is how Evolution happens. Everything needs to be constantly moving forward in order for growth to occur. We recognize that reality is not as far progressed as it can be and so become dissatisfied with "the (American) Dream." We can either numb ourselves to this dissatisfaction or face it and make changes. The more discomfort there is, the closer we are to change.

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Quote from: myststarsThe cars, the house the family etc are not enough anymore...Something is there and they have a burning desire to discover...This is why the "old" system is collapsing ... Teenagers want something beyond anything that most old generations created...The system begun to be so unintersting...

That's a very interesting thought to me. I've become aware lately of too many people (not just teens) who are so dissatisfied with existence here that they are numbing themselves regularly, whether it is through video games, drugs, alcohol, food or whatever they do to to insulate themselves from the current reality. Considering what Seth said about our choosing this existence intentionally, it seems so strange that we chose to come into this 3D existence with so many plans in place, and then while here spend so much time trying to get away from it. Complete discomfort, dissatisfaction. It is fight or flight... or avoidance.

And the paradox is all those get you in an altered state of consciouness...Games gets you in an different "reality"...Drugs gets you in an alternate state of consciouness where you see things...Alcohol gets more of yourself to express itself...Many people say things when drunk that wouldn't say in a non-drunk state and they denied that they said this...All this is a wanting for more expression ...