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After reading so much channeling material and working on myself.Also putting the external politics of US and all US hero and morale movies in one big bowl i see how comical and ironic the situation in US became.You just voted an adolescent married with a model girl that have other top models as daughters...Yesterday was looking at TV and presented Trump with his family...From a male perspective the daugthters are beutiful.Also his wife is beautiful...And also her nudes photos are too.In a way US just gone to such an extreme of shame in front of world after years of being the good shephard of the world and showing the way for other countries...So much years of diseminating morale values in movies and around countries and this just gone out of window in a couple of months...In my country politicians lie frecquently so it's really a fashion but in US to expect such degree of turning.You had big curtain/facade for years and in 2016 just falled big time.It took so much time to really put the curtain down... I knew that US was like a false prophet but others didn't want to accept it and here you guys are voting for Trump..One of the most sincere decisions from a collective point of view that i saw in years..You just got naked in a couple of months...UK was in the same boat in some way with Brexit but not to such degree.Anyway trump said he will do Brexit plus plus so...This is a fancy movie from an ET observer... And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this...His wife got naked ... I don't his girls do ... Trump is a symbol of an extreme  fall in this time.I mean the personality fall, the ego fall...US citizens wanted to "shake things up"
Here is a nice article by Michael Moore...

http://michaelmoore.com/dearmillennials/

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As i said in another post before election Trump will be the catalyst...An extreme one so here you have some awesome stuff in US...very intersting neverthless..

'Subway Therapy': Commuters Stick Post-It Notes on Walls to Share Election Blues
https://www.yahoo.com/news/subway-therapy-commuters-stick-post-172100902.html


This is very intersting happening in US actually where "freedom" word is used...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-tells-pro-trump-employees-to-resign.html


U.S. visitors flooded immigration website prior to election night crash, department confirms
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/canada-immigration-website-crash-presidential-election-1.3845080



and a big petition against  him ... Wow

Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19
https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19



if the above petition fail then young people will come to White house and actually kick him out physically ? :P

That would be the hell of an event ....  ;D


Trump will make people be sincere and deep...All things above were really possible because Trump acted as catalyst...If you tell people to change for "nothing" they may not but for dethroning Trump seems they are willing to change... Ha...The masses waking up...Seems people are still needed the HARD way path to get a reason to awaken..Something very extreme..
 Congrats anyway....  ;)

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And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
This win was unexpected and probably miraculous. Trump may have influenced voters telepathically.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2016, 06:33:36 AM by Sena »

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I’ve moved this topic to Miscellaneous / Chit Chat because I’d like to keep Comic Relief & Entertainment for “funny or entertaining things.” To me politics is not a good fit.


« Last Edit: November 11, 2016, 08:28:13 AM by Deb »

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9th Dimensional Pleiadian about US election after Trump election...



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And really he is similar with a Christ in the way you guys wanted to be "naked" and Trump is a symbol for this.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)
This win was unexpected and probably miraculous. Trump may have influenced voters telepathically.


It wasn't miraculous...US wanted to test something new wanted some adrenaline..They were bored with the "good" president Obama..Trump behaviour press many buttons in many people.He brings up thoses repressed emotions in people.The people need to feel alive...Look at mentality of fun paired with drinking and getting drunk...

Michael Moore knew that trump will win before hand..Look at the date of the article on his blog..

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

On the other hand if people empowered themselves by taking responsability of their thoughts and emotional missery Trump wouldn't be where it is now.He wouldn't even be in the race for president..
Humanity isn't in the position of responsability in 2016..I mean is better than 20 years ago but not there.
In the long term a united humanity is the point but not by controlling goverment but by a paradigm that isn't even invented yet..Only young and unborn people will have the power of change...Many old people are fighting old wars and they are in viscious circle.Too entrenched in this soap opera to see beyond.Both candidates are around 70 years old..What this tells you ?

Trump is an expression of US collective deepest emotional missery racism, anger, fear etc that were always there but not really surfaced...until 2016...

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I don't think I understand Framework 1 very much at the moment. All I know is that political things that were not expected to happen (Brexit, Trump becoming POTUS, Corbyn becoming Labour leader, May becoming PM etc) have happened. The polls were wrong.

I couldn't watch very much of Trump because he seemed to saying the most offensive things he could think of in a sort of 'show'. I find him repulsive on many levels but I'm just a spectator.




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I don't think I understand Framework 1 very much at the moment. All I know is that political things that were not expected to happen (Brexit, Trump becoming POTUS, Corbyn becoming Labour leader, May becoming PM etc) have happened.
I think it is a problem most of us have, of not being able to understand Framework 1. Yes, unexpected things have happened, but unexpected good things could happen in the future. As I understand it Trump intends to take the U.S. (and therefore the rest of the world) in a different economic direction. Yes, a high-risk strategy. Britain being outside the EU may be better able to adapt to the new economic conditions.

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And behind ALL of this play on the chessboard there is a unseen chessboard that are the energies of the universes and quantum state that...This is the code behind the program...Many people are stuck at goverment that at the top but beyond the goverment is the code that rules.The "code" behind follow the rules of universe..This means that it doesn't matter what goverment does there are still following the rules of universe...It doesn't matters how much ignorant and lies are spread...You can get out of ilusion by just knowing and going beyond the goverment and the human structures that are ilusions in themselves...Even if the best nicest president will come STILL very individual have the responsability to heal their inner self...The advantage of nice president is that it will be in a encouraging, nurturing enviroment.In the TrumpLand is the other way actually but we as a humanity are polarized to negative so much that we "need" a negative catalyst to be forced to heal things inside...The paradox is that people who are angry actually express their deeper anger in frustrations when this negative catalyst is there so as ironic as it sounds they heal and the collective heals and the change outside takes place...But this change outside takes place because they express the anger energy..They were given a big reason to express the anger in collective...Trump forced a purging from US mass conscioness...
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myststars,
       I really like what you just said.
I agree.
its funny, kinda, sorta in a way, the seeming paradox.
people need to express and see in a kind of extreme manner, their anger, their meanness, and then, perhaps, hopefully, they wake up.
its like when people wake up, and find out that peace is so much more excellent than war.
love, so much better than hate.
kindness so much better than meanness.
its like what's so hard about this?
its like what are we doing here on this planet, with so many freakin grown up adult kindergarten level people?
they look like they're grown ups.
they act like it, sometimes
but other times, oh boy!!!! look out.

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Someone wise said the dark is more united than light...This is why we are getting the impression that there is so much dark in the world.The people that are more negative polarized have a reason to come together..The light workers have not so much desire to come together...The negative voice is heard and yell big time and make itself heard intentionally...

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ah, very interesting.
I never thought of that before.

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I couldn't watch very much of Trump because he seemed to saying the most offensive things he could think of in a sort of 'show'. I find him repulsive on many levels but I'm just a spectator.

Many people consider him repulsive (I do) but they find Hillary repulsive in her own way, and corrupt and dishonest in addition to that. I’ve felt very disappointed in the past few elections with the lack of quality in candidates, no clear choices for me. It could all be an illusion as well, maybe the press and the dirty campaign tactics have turned our election process into a mud slinging contest.

Watching this campaign (from an emotional distance) was completely perplexing to me. Trump’s cartoonish behavior during debates, blurting out some very unprofessional, crude and undignified stuff over and over again, was embarrassing. But it seems people are tired of being kept in the dark and are looking to him to bring out truth, regardless of how gritty and ugly it may be or how tactless he is in delivering it. Maybe too many people feel they were being lulled to sleep by the current administration and feel a strong need to get jolted awake.

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As I understand it Trump intends to take the U.S. (and therefore the rest of the world) in a different economic direction.

And yes, I think that’s a good portion of people’s reasoning in voting for Trump. Hillary’s plans to increase taxes and spending would be more of the same. Maybe Trump can get a handle on our national debt, encourage businesses to bring their work back to American soil, create jobs here rather than sourcing much out of country because of the economic penalties here.

No doubt Americans are looking for someone to shake things up around here and Trump is the one who can do that. Hopefully once he’s in office and people accept the fact that he’s at the helm, they will decide that taking sides is not the way to get anything accomplished and will start working together. I hate to say this, but nothing brings people together like catastrophe. Hopefully that won’t be the case, I tend to be an optimist and am curious to see how things go.

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its like what are we doing here on this planet, with so many freakin grown up adult kindergarten level people?

That's precisely where we are here! Earth is the kindergarten of spiritual enlightenment. Some people learn, some don't.


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"That's precisely where we are here! Earth is the kindergarten of spiritual enlightenment. Some people learn, some don't."

I agree with you.
the Rick Stack video on youtube is cool.
he said that Seth said this is a big school.
we are here, learning how to use energy.
we keep coming back here, and have more lives/incarnations, until we learn the lesson. (using energy in constructive, positive, creative ways. :))
once we learn the lesson, we only come back here, if we want to.
wishing you much love and joy and fun and peace, and chocolate chip cookies and pizza.
Charlie


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Here is an intersting thread about US election 2016 on a bashar dedicated forum.Someone posted a full transcript of a channeling session with an entity named ELIAS.The human that requested the channeling wanted to talk about the US election...

This is a quote from it...

Anon is from Anonymous the human that is asking and remained anonymous.....Elias is the entity...


 "ANON: Do you think that he’s going to change any of his tune to modify it at all because now he’s won?

ELIAS: I would express that that is also a significant possibility and potential, and why? Because now he has no audience.

ANON: He’s got what he needed from them, and so now it’s onward for something else.

ELIAS: No, actually what I would express is he has been, in a manner of speaking, drunk with the power of the audience for all this time, and it has fueled him tremendously. Not that it has altered his own opinions, but that it has fueled him tremendously, and that has encouraged him to be quite boisterous and quite vocal in relation to what he thinks or what his opinions are. But the challenge with that is that although he has built more and more and more momentum, very similar to a steam engine with all of that audience and the feeding of his expression and applauding it, now that he has won the race – and it would have been the same whether he won or he lost – but once the race is over, which it is, then the audience is lost. There is no more audience. Now he transitions into a different theater. And in that theater, the individuals that participate in that theater all perceive themselves as equally as important.

ANON: Meaning other politicians, I’m assuming, yeah?

ELIAS: Yes. But not ONLY the politicians. The structures that SUPPORT the politicians, and all of their perceptions are that they are equally as important as he is, and therefore they are not his audience. They are not in a position to merely sit and listen and clap for him, and whistle and yell; no. Now he is in a different theater.

ANON: Do you think he really meant all of the things he has said, or do you think he said them to appease his audience? "


"ANON: The country’s divided fifty-fifty, so there’s some pretty big energy in both directions.

ELIAS: I would agree, and in both directions there is a tremendous expression of non-willingness to accept difference: Our way or no way."

Tolerance level is very low...The deep wound of humanity regarding accepting diversity...

I really recommend to read the entire conversation...Is nice and enlightening..

http://www.bashar-forum.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=732&start=220

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It sure feels like the election was a mass event and that it's connected with all the other things going on in different parts of the world.  As Seth suggests, we may need to follow the emotions to help us understand what's happening.  The main emotion in the election was fear, which was not only intensified because it was coming from both sides, but fear is also a primary emotion.  The hatred was pretty intense, too, but it's a secondary emotion, arising from fear.  We hate what we fear most.  Control issues come into play as well, because we attempt to reduce our fear by controlling others and any external factors we view as affecting our lives.  The ingrained distrust of women, with its deep cultural and religious roots, only added to the fear. 

Although there's a lot that can be learned if we examine our various beliefs that are creating these fears, I think it'll take a while for those of us more directly affected or involved in this situation or the other situations going on globally to process all the emotions because they are so basic and so extreme.  Not only that, all of the situations that might be part of this mass event are still ongoing.  And knowing that the fear (or any other emotion) we may be feeling needs to be faced and then followed through to our beliefs does not make the process easy or instantaneous.  It just gives us a few tools to do the work.

Myststars's post of the Elias conversation really helped expand my understanding of some of the complexities of what's happening.  I did read the entire conversation, and I also went to Mary Ennis's website and read a particularly good transcript that expands on the issues of fear and control, specifically in relation to religion.

Perhaps the best part of that session are the ideas that can help us deal with the current situation, both immediately and in choosing a direction to move forward.

Immediately:  "If you are threatened and are encouraged in the direction of fear because of a perceived consequence, you likely will be reactive. But if you are NOT reactive, then the threat of that consequence loses its power. If you are not afraid of it and you are not reactive to it, you are not being controlled by it, and therefore it is unsuccessful and it holds no power any longer."

Direction to take:  Genuine empowerment of the individual that includes the belief in the value of all individuals.

The session transcript:  http://www.eliasweb.org/transcripts/t_session.php?session_nr=201601062


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The paradigm of current society is emotions are a taboo subject and is ignored...On the other hand is promoted the intelectualized, logical resolution of all things by changing rules and punishment...Women are the most emotional and the most affected in this game of intelect and ilusions.When the society goes by functioning in an ilusory intelectual/logical game and the individual is drived by ignored emotions then we all lose...The thing is the people that don't want to look at their emotions will be forced to look by a deep trial and error process...For example we have today Trump example that he says and that so his image take people to such extremes that some will awaken to such a degree to tolerate things around them that were untolerable days ago...
It's like if you have a big accident and near miss death then you may really become wiser next day...Things that bother you don't bother you anymore...You are more relaxed and suddenly apreaciating that you have another...This is how i see the awaken of the humanity like after a big "accident"...

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It sure feels like the election was a mass event and that it's connected with all the other things going on in different parts of the world.  As Seth suggests, we may need to follow the emotions to help us understand what's happening.  The main emotion in the election was fear, which was not only intensified because it was coming from both sides, but fear is also a primary emotion.  The hatred was pretty intense, too, but it's a secondary emotion, arising from fear.  We hate what we fear most.  Control issues come into play as well, because we attempt to reduce our fear by controlling others and any external factors we view as affecting our lives.  The ingrained distrust of women, with its deep cultural and religious roots, only added to the fear. 

Although there's a lot that can be learned if we examine our various beliefs that are creating these fears, I think it'll take a while for those of us more directly affected or involved in this situation or the other situations going on globally to process all the emotions because they are so basic and so extreme.  Not only that, all of the situations that might be part of this mass event are still ongoing.  And knowing that the fear (or any other emotion) we may be feeling needs to be faced and then followed through to our beliefs does not make the process easy or instantaneous.  It just gives us a few tools to do the work.

Myststars's post of the Elias conversation really helped expand my understanding of some of the complexities of what's happening.  I did read the entire conversation, and I also went to Mary Ennis's website and read a particularly good transcript that expands on the issues of fear and control, specifically in relation to religion.

Perhaps the best part of that session are the ideas that can help us deal with the current situation, both immediately and in choosing a direction to move forward.

Immediately:  "If you are threatened and are encouraged in the direction of fear because of a perceived consequence, you likely will be reactive. But if you are NOT reactive, then the threat of that consequence loses its power. If you are not afraid of it and you are not reactive to it, you are not being controlled by it, and therefore it is unsuccessful and it holds no power any longer."

Direction to take:  Genuine empowerment of the individual that includes the belief in the value of all individuals.

The session transcript:  http://www.eliasweb.org/transcripts/t_session.php?session_nr=201601062




From my point of view (living in Oz) the election was a bunch of noise and borderline psychotic reactions from people foaming at the mouth that "Candidate X" got in, and surely now society is doomed and the sky will fall.

I don't get into politics at all, but one election is as forgettable as the next for me.

I did read a rather amusing quote this week from who I forget:

"I believe in two term presidents. One term in office, and then one term in prison"


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As a non-American, my view is that the American president can affect the rest of the world in two main ways:
(1) He can start a war or stay away from war. The indications are that Trump is likely to stay away from war. He has made friendly noises towards Putin, and he is less likely to intervene in the Middle East.
(2) His policies can have an impact on the world economy.
Trump has "proposed spending $1 trillion on roads, airports, pipelines, and the electrical grid, compared to the $305 billion over 5 years approved by Congress in late 2015."
http://fortune.com/2016/11/12/trump-transportation-priorities/
One trillion dollars is a bit more than a row of beans. It is high-risk strategy because it could lead to higher inflation. But it will create many jobs in America, and could also stimulate the world economy. Youth unemployment is a massive problem everwhere in the world, and this may be the only way to even partially solve that problem.
I await the next few years with interest.

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The one thing that not many people are discussing is macro economics. How long since the last Depression? and the 2008 crash was hardly that, even though it should have been. How long can the entire world be propped up via US petro dollars, backed by nothing except the USA's might? And how long can paper money be printed at a whim?


Politicians are conniving snakes...but they are also very clever, ruthless and extremely tactical. And the 'party' comes before any individual (Nixon is testament to that). One possibility is that Trump is the pawn to take the fall for the next great economic slump. He really isn't party material. Quite possibly both parties have planned this for the longer term. And even worked together to achieve it.


From a mass event perspective....well any number of things can be going on, and most probably are. I'll wait for hindsight and keep creating my own reality, regardless what the spin doctors tell me.


LK


 


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Sena,
     super enjoyed your post. thank you.
very positive thoughts, ideas.
really really good stuff.
I say value all humans.
Gandhi said you don't beat your enemy by killing them, you do it by befriending them.

anyway, I love the idea of world leaders being friends.
war is bad.
war is wrong.
killing people is wrong.
helping people is good.
hopefully Trump has people advising him that value all human life.
hopefully, Trump can then be a positive influence on Putin.
we don't want another Cold War with Russia.
cooperation, work together for a peaceful world for all people.
operate from a viewpoint that we live in a world of abundance.
there's enough for everyone.
encourage the spirit of friendliness.
we all win, when we ALL win.
its like inside every single person, there's this little awesome amazing magical person. how we can help that person get out? and express themselves?
how can I do it in me, to begin with. because first I have to do it with me. at least get it started.
and then, how can I help others to do the same thing.
life is good.
people are potentially good. and bad.
I feel very grounded.
I would like to help other people.
I need to come up with a plan.

« Last Edit: November 15, 2016, 07:01:47 AM by chasman »

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hi Len, just wanted to mention that I was typing my post, and did not see your post, before I posted mine.
interesting perspective.
all of the posts here, are all very interesting.

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The one thing that not many people are discussing is macro economics. How long since the last Depression? and the 2008 crash was hardly that, even though it should have been. How long can the entire world be propped up via US petro dollars, backed by nothing except the USA's might? And how long can paper money be printed at a whim?


Politicians are conniving snakes...but they are also very clever, ruthless and extremely tactical. And the 'party' comes before any individual (Nixon is testament to that). One possibility is that Trump is the pawn to take the fall for the next great economic slump. He really isn't party material. Quite possibly both parties have planned this for the longer term. And even worked together to achieve it.


From a mass event perspective....well any number of things can be going on, and most probably are. I'll wait for hindsight and keep creating my own reality, regardless what the spin doctors tell me.


LK


 




Imo it doesn't matter anymore macro or micro, banks and stuff and all of this economic rules and stocks...Behind all this machinery called Economic is still the quantum stuff and universe rules and those follow them...Those rules are invented from humanity, are desintegrated by humanity ... At base of creativity is still emotion that is energy at base and is part of energy of universe...We and our bodies are not manufactured in a Human-plant so humans still has to change themselves to alter the pieces on the chessboard...The board is quantum and universe...Economics is just an invention that can be or may not be here...
I wonder when the economic schools begin to teach consciouness...Consciouness in economics means the economics is pretty much redundant.

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Sena,
     super enjoyed your post. thank you.
very positive thoughts, ideas.
really really good stuff.
I say value all humans.
chasman, thanks for your comments. The fact is that a vast number of Americans voted for Trump, and it would be silly to think that all those people are "bad".
Lenkop, I am not an economist, but it seems to me that there are some economic arguments in favor of Trump. What he is proposing is Keynesian economics. Roosevelt made this work in the thirties. In the eighties, Thatcher and Reagan overturned Keynes and went down the "monetarist" road with tight control on money supply. The result of monetarism seems to be mass youth unemployment, and that can't go on. When I was traveling in the bus today (in Sri Lanka), I heard two young guys talking about their job prospects. They were saying that some of their friends had got jobs in Dubai, but even those jobs are drying up.

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thank you Sena.
gotta hope for the best here.
better to light a single candle, than curse the darkness.
like breeds/begets like.
look, hate is the wrong way.
if people don't understand that, well, then they've got some learning/work to do.
its a prevalent/common problem.
I know thats oversimplifying.
but there's a kernel of truth there, even so.
its all about the love.
thats all.
I loved years ago, when I read a Dalai Lama quote:
"my religion is simple. my religion is kindness."
that so resonates with me.
when people wake up to that realization, everything changes for the better. everything.

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myststars, I disagree.


Like many who put 'spiritual' and 'quantum' above and beyond the physical, I think it is not only denying the glory, and importance, of the physical world, but also denying the creative importance of this theater. Furthermore, the suggestion that 'behind all this machinery called Economics is still the quantum stuff and universe rules' sounds to me like free will is not involved. We are the quantum stuff, as much as anything else is. including our beliefs, emotions and ideas. One idea being economics. As you said 'one idea being Economics', but you seem to suggest this idea is lesser than other ideas. Which idea is more important? Are any ideas more important than others?


You said that 'at the base of creativity is still emotion'. I think emotion fuels the creativity, but beliefs are the masters, and imagination is the catalyst. I don't think raw emotion has ever created anything in the physical world.


'Few beliefs are intellectual alone. When you are examining the contents of your conscious mind, you must learn, or recognize, the emotional and imaginative connotations that are connected with a given idea. One particular method is three-pronged. You generate the emotion opposite the one that arises from the belief you want to change, and turn your imagination in the opposite direction from the one dictated by the belief. At the same time you consciously assure yourself that the unsatisfactory belief is an idea about reality and not an aspect of reality itself.


'You realize that ideas are not stationary. Emotions and imagination move them in one direction or the other, reinforce them or negate them.' NOPR, Chapter 4, 11:08


The above quote is very Napolean Hill, (or is NH very Sethian ;))...but we have to take it from the creative point of view both individually and en masse. The emotion behind the idea of economics is one of the most powerful in the world today. Most people spend a third of there entire time on earth working to earn money. And much of their spare time is focussed on what they own, how to get more, what they're worth and how to pay the bills. Most people imagine the 'finer things in life'. This is all material, but it's driven from the quantum level by our imagination and emotions. 


Now, en masse, perhaps there are nations of people yearning for more. Or so focused on what they don't have that they keep recreating their poverty. Perhaps the rest of the world is sick of the USA being the world police and so new politics are being created. Again, I don't know exactly, but to sit back and say micro and macro don't matter is the denying our power as a species to change our own reality.


LK

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'You realize that ideas are not stationary. Emotions and imagination move them in one direction or the other, reinforce them or negate them.' NOPR, Chapter 4, 11:08




What i mean is that Economics is just an idea...A temporary one actually.The fact that in Economcs schools conscioness is not teached or quantum framework is not mentioned imo makes "Economics" like many others things from our society incomplete.By not the connection between economics and the quantum framework it makes it prone to failure and extinction.Economics in today is a tool for control the masses and keep them in shadow.The fact the economic is ruled by old generation and old energy and they intelectualize it to the extreme and make it so complicated for the masses is intentional.Add that there is a intentional disconnection from quantum and emotion makes it just an "masculine" ilusion used for purpose of power. Politics is another tool like this..Masculine extreme tool used by an unbalanced male  ruled system to AVOID on purpose the emotion and conscioness or used only when needed to rule or take power advantages...
Economics and Politics are tools perfectly for a male ruled society that is AFRAID of emotions and the intanginble...Quantum and conscioness will exist anyway with or without human ignorance...But in ignorance the road is a painfull and ilussory with plenty of lies and deceiving...
The people that you talk about that put emotions behind economics are entrenched in survival mode..Desperation, fear is the base emotion behind economics.
The turmoil and the agressiveness in people that construct "economics machinery" and the mentality of avoiding emotions or denying their existence and even that they matter dictate the way they build "economics"... In a society where the emotions are repressed, suppressed and feminine is suppressed the economics is very intelctualized/mental...The rest is not taken in consideration.This is changing..The mental economics today is collapsing because is based on mental only.It can't exist anymore in the new consciouness.
Someone said that the banking system is 500 years old..It didn't evolve as technology evolved.Is incompatible with year 2016 hence so much collapsing in banks around the world.



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Cisco is a US company and also installing Windows 10 is tampering with user's computer in a way too...
On the other hand you can uninstall it after you listen...They use Cisco webex as a platform for workshops/seminars with video, multiuser and stuff...
Find a way to listen to it eventually on other pc.I feel is worth listening for most americans especially that are scared and confused now.There are many people asking live and some fearful questions.

Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things. The box has been open.Trump just paved the way for a sincere, deep expression.It's ugly but is sincere finally.Now is your time to embrace the shadow if you want a good future the has to be embraced.

Hate incidents spreading in wake of Trump win

https://www.yahoo.com/news/hate-incidents-spreading-in-wake-of-trump-win-231607863.html
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Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things.
mystars, that is an interesting observation. One decision which will have to be made is whether the economy is the priority or the environment.

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Again myststars, I respectfully disagree.


Firstly, to say 'Economics is just an idea...a temporary one actually,...' and you go on to say that it is incomplete because there's no quantum framework involved with it, making it prone to failure and extinction. Well this definition covers nearly every popular topic, or hobby, or idea, studied or experienced by mankind today. Apart from physics, what else is using 'quantum frameworks' in its study? I studied tertiary level music. My teachers never mentioned probable realities or consciousness. From the many topics covered in school today, I can't think of any that delve deeply into reality as part of their curriculum. Does this mean they are all doomed to extinction? And if so why hasn't Economics. the Arts, History, etc disappeared yet?


Secondly, when you say 'the fact the economy is ruled by old generation and old energy..' tells me that you have a 'belief' about what the economy is, but I don't accept it as a 'fact'. You are giving away your power when you admit others rule over you, no matter if that is within economics or whichever field. Plenty of people lost a lot of money in the Great Depression, but many made a lot of money too. it all depends on what you believe. And ideas about old energy and new energy are quite romantic. But there is only One energy. And if you focus yours correctly, and i focus mine correctly, then the mass begins to shift.


Thirdly, and once more, when you say 'fear is the base emotion behind economics', it tells me more about your belief about what's behind economics rather than any actual reality. There are many people who use economics to spread love and goodwill. There are people who use it to connect the world. All these are born from consciousness, but applied physically through the idea of economics.


The banking system might be 500 years old, but Economics is far older. It's simply a means of exchange. And to say banking didn't evolve as technology evolved is just not true. Where do you think the technologist entrepreneurs borrowed their money from? The banks have evolved. I use online banking, I have PayPass on my card, and even now straight from my phone. Even as Bitcoin has changed the kind of banking we do, it still is a creative evolution of a temporary idea.


And perhaps when we get the Star Trek utopia, and money is no longer required, then economics will be a distant memory. Until then, only our beliefs regarding economics, money, and material value, are the things that make it positive or negative.


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Again myststars, I respectfully disagree.


Firstly, to say 'Economics is just an idea...a temporary one actually,...' and you go on to say that it is incomplete because there's no quantum framework involved with it, making it prone to failure and extinction. Well this definition covers nearly every popular topic, or hobby, or idea, studied or experienced by mankind today. Apart from physics, what else is using 'quantum frameworks' in its study? I studied tertiary level music. My teachers never mentioned probable realities or consciousness. From the many topics covered in school today, I can't think of any that delve deeply into reality as part of their curriculum. Does this mean they are all doomed to extinction? And if so why hasn't Economics. the Arts, History, etc disappeared yet?


Secondly, when you say 'the fact the economy is ruled by old generation and old energy..' tells me that you have a 'belief' about what the economy is, but I don't accept it as a 'fact'. You are giving away your power when you admit others rule over you, no matter if that is within economics or whichever field. Plenty of people lost a lot of money in the Great Depression, but many made a lot of money too. it all depends on what you believe. And ideas about old energy and new energy are quite romantic. But there is only One energy. And if you focus yours correctly, and i focus mine correctly, then the mass begins to shift.


Thirdly, and once more, when you say 'fear is the base emotion behind economics', it tells me more about your belief about what's behind economics rather than any actual reality. There are many people who use economics to spread love and goodwill. There are people who use it to connect the world. All these are born from consciousness, but applied physically through the idea of economics.


The banking system might be 500 years old, but Economics is far older. It's simply a means of exchange. And to say banking didn't evolve as technology evolved is just not true. Where do you think the technologist entrepreneurs borrowed their money from? The banks have evolved. I use online banking, I have PayPass on my card, and even now straight from my phone. Even as Bitcoin has changed the kind of banking we do, it still is a creative evolution of a temporary idea.


And perhaps when we get the Star Trek utopia, and money is no longer required, then economics will be a distant memory. Until then, only our beliefs regarding economics, money, and material value, are the things that make it positive or negative.


LK


I heard a saying: Art will save Earth.
Art in all forms is a form of channeling.Unless you make art an purely intelectual thing it will transcend intelect.Art puts the individual in contact with his/her higher self because creativity and imagination is requested in Art.When you tap in creativity / imagination and immerse then you are one with the divine..The quantum is not teached directly ...is used automatically...Is built in...Is natural flow of universe to the individual for expression.
Economics is very intelectualized and mental in nature so imo the act of creativity and imagination is questionable.
I am not saying that the banks didn't add technology to their infrastructure but the base mentality is very old.They have a 21st century coat for a 500 old mentality.The core remained the same.
A 70 years granny can have a smartphone and her mentality may remain the same even with the smartphone.It doesn't matter how much tech you give/put.Unless the individual using it have a paradigm shift he/she will do the same thing but with 21st century tools...After the banking system failures after failures from 2008 no technology will save the old mentality fall. Is just a matter of time.
Also another example is Justice systems is also in the same boat...You can have fancy new cars for judges and new tech inserted in courts and stuff but really the mentality is still old.The justice system model is very very old..I do feel the model with punishment and someone judges you is not working anymore...Is an old primitive model for a primitive humanity..This slowly has to be removed at some point and individuals with plenty of love and ethereal healing needs to be implicated.
The judges from today are very military style, rules, strict...I prefer someone that has done some sort of distortion (stealing crime etc) to be exposed to very very pure human mirrors...
By pure human mirrors it means individuals that purified their mind from anger, anxieties, fears and repressed emotions so much that can stand as radiated pure love, high frequency vibration and wisdom...When a distorted individual enters in a room with this people noone has to say anything...The one with distorted feeling will feel the powerfull love..Love, vibration is quantum stuff...It transcends intelect...Actually there is no more judgement/punishement...Is just a powerfull purification and exposure to love/light frequency...The current justice system is based on punishement, judgement, critique, fear and no love at all...The schools themselves that teach justice are not teaching love first...Justice is based on human morale that is distorted.
Justice system is a Male dominant system...Economics system is a male dominated system....Church system is a male dominated system...All are very intelectualized and not based on LOVE and purity first...
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Repressed stuff, ignored stuff begin to surface.Some american citizens express what was lingering in the dark, in the basement for long.Now you have to face the things.
mystars, that is an interesting observation. One decision which will have to be made is whether the economy is the priority or the environment.


The happiness of the people can be a priority...Happiness of the people involves the enviroment automatically...Happy people in a bad breathing air are not happy...Less money in defense and redirected in other segments....This is where the old energy still has it's hands deep rooted...Can you US citizen stop the goverment from building fancy planes, aircraft carriers and stuff and redirect the money to make ALL the education system free of charge and very high quality and plenty experimental ideas ? Just an example ...US is in big debt and still build fancy ships and aircraft carriers ... is questionable

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Nice picture of Trump and Hillary! Estherham is right really, it's our responsibility to make our reality and not think the government has control over that. Especially in the US, it takes a long time to get anything accomplished and I usually feel removed from whatever government is up to.

For fun: have you seen the old (2000) Simpsons episode where grown-up Lisa becomes president? She succeeds Trump, who has bankrupted the country. I don't see that happening but I thought the scenario was interesting enough: why would they 'predict' Trump as president? Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/




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Excerpt from Bruce Lipton's November newsletter:

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“The election process was analogous to removing a bandage from a traumatized wound. One can do it either very slowly and extend the pain over a period of time, or one can grit their teeth and instantly rip the bandage off. Trump’s presidency will likely invoke the latter response, for his social and environmental platform will hopefully incite a complacent Millennial Generation to take action."

There's more to the quote, you can follow the link to it.

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Nice picture of Trump and Hillary! Estherham is right really, it's our responsibility to make our reality and not think the government has control over that. Especially in the US, it takes a long time to get anything accomplished and I usually feel removed from whatever government is up to.

For fun: have you seen the old (2000) Simpsons episode where grown-up Lisa becomes president? She succeeds Trump, who has bankrupted the country. I don't see that happening but I thought the scenario was interesting enough: why would they 'predict' Trump as president? Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/





If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ? Be happy for your country that have this kind of huge oportunity.In the Theo webinar about the election Theo said that if hillary would have been elected it would have been other kind of protests and the people would have gone back in the complacency and zombie mode.Trump election brought a fast track cleansing timeline..


"Here's also a link to a Pinterest page (no login required) with a collection of Trump stuff, both sides of the coin are represented. https://www.pinterest.com/explore/young-donald-trump/"


Young and the restless .... The difference is that the "restless" factor is 10 times than in the soap opera movie ....
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If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ?

What sadness?


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If you really really think you create your own reality why the saddness Deb ?

What sadness?



About Trump election.

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Hmmm. Well, the election was an American Horror Story. But I voted for him. Because I'd vote for anyone over Hillary. And I've not been thrilled (ok, I've been very dissatisfied) with the current administration. I'm not strictly right or left, I'm just me, and so some elections are difficult because I'm not polarized and don't see things as black and white. 50 shades of grey. Well, no, that's a bad joke and I haven't read the book either. But I'm all about thinking rather than swallowing the bait whole.

My recents posts about the election were to share different views of both parties about the election and its results. I refuse to life any part of my life in fear and so for me it's 'full speed ahead.' I'm ready for anything.

I truly felt this election was a challenge of deciding who was the lesser of two evils. My Bruce Lipton post and a couple others were to demonstrate how even the extreme left wingers are trying to find something positive in the election results. There seems to be an uncanny agreement that this country needs to head in a new and refreshing direction.


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Hmmm. Well, the election was an American Horror Story. But I voted for him. Because I'd vote for anyone over Hillary. And I've not been thrilled (ok, I've been very dissatisfied) with the current administration. I'm not strictly right or left, I'm just me, and so some elections are difficult because I'm not polarized and don't see things as black and white. 50 shades of grey. Well, no, that's a bad joke and I haven't read the book either. But I'm all about thinking rather than swallowing the bait whole.

My recents posts about the election were to share different views of both parties about the election and its results. I refuse to life any part of my life in fear and so for me it's 'full speed ahead.' I'm ready for anything.

I truly felt this election was a challenge of deciding who was the lesser of two evils. My Bruce Lipton post and a couple others were to demonstrate how even the extreme left wingers are trying to find something positive in the election results. There seems to be an uncanny agreement that this country needs to head in a new and refreshing direction.



Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.
The neutrality feels like a move of a can for right to left.It feels neutral either way.The "wind" of the change of the position of the can doesn't move you out of balance.Or maybe the election with so many people and energies involved in consciouness made the wind very noticable.

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Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.

There's also the mass reality as well, so while I create reality as an individual I'm also a part of the whole. And while I do believe I make my own reality, I'm also not always that good at it. :)

The election was very interesting and will continue to be so. New things are coming, breaking tradition, I think.

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Why you saw it negative if you create your own reality .... It shouldn't matter for you anyway.

There's also the mass reality as well, so while I create reality as an individual I'm also a part of the whole. And while I do believe I make my own reality, I'm also not always that good at it. :)

The election was very interesting and will continue to be so. New things are coming, breaking tradition, I think.



The many different channeled material i read and heard after the election with many desperate rooted in fear aleviated my fears almost completly...I am more in a personal emptiness to say...I am melding with the enviroment...Not rooted in the past or future anymore.is just the I AM...I am present like a flower...Just there...Involved but not really involved.


Update later:
I suggest look at "Michael Moore in Trumpland." He makes some intersting points.This was aired a couple of days before election 8 november.I am not american so i can't really know all stuff specific to your country that is discussed in there.
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Diana Cooper predicts a "transition to a golden age", 2012 to 2032. Since 2012 we are starting to feel "massive new energies", and these are necessary to produce change.
With Hilary Clinton we would have had "more of the same". We may not agree with Trump, but you can't deny the energy there.



"There are 32 portals opening, each radiating the Christ light". This may be the coming of Christ predicted by Seth.
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Understanding Unity Through a Divided Humanity (Trump Win US Presidency, Brexit, 11.11 Portal)



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@myststars, these are for you (and anyone else following this thread).
The second vid brought tears to my eyes.
No doubt clips that we missed from the debates... lol.
I LOVED the ending on the 2nd one!





Just in case anyone cares, lyrics are in the spoiler.

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@myststars, these are for you (and anyone else following this thread).
The second vid brought tears to my eyes.
No doubt clips that we missed from the debates... lol.
I LOVED the ending on the 2nd one!





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My ears could sustain only half of the first clip...Is hard for me to follow the compositions from the two clips.Thanks anyway.

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My ears could sustain only half of the first clip...Is hard for me to follow the compositions from the two clips

That's too bad. It's not the words that are entertaining as much as Trump's (and Clinton's) expressions, gestures and dancing.


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I have only read the blurb for this book on Amazon UK:

"The Clinton UFO Storybook: Extraterrestrial Politics in the White House" by Grant Cameron.

"Bill said he was fascinated with the subject and has talked about it many times. Hillary has said she is very interested in the UFO subject saying she doesn’t believe all the witnesses could be making it up. She has gone on the record as the first high-level politician to state that aliens may already be here. She has promised to disclosure as many classified UFO files as she can on the subject if she becomes president........and the story ends talking about the box that was built by Hillary’s 2016 presidential campaign chairman John Podesta to try and ensure that UFO disclosure happens."

 

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