~Speaking of Seth~

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant?

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 12:07:24 AMHi @Joydivided

Dang ... how much I wanted to type "joy division" lol

Its a band thing 

Anyway voidy isnt around anymore

However

I would like to know why male as well.

Hope we get to exchange some great inticing back and forth.

Aye! Very popular topic.

Btw Seth does NOT  say that. Ugh if I am remembering correctly off the top of my head Seth said at the time its what people accepted. (Male)

Yes, joydivided was somewhat inspired by joy division

Quote from: Deb on April 30, 2022, 09:12:54 AM@Joydivided I've been thinking about this. While I don't recall Seth saying specifically the return of the Christ personality can only be male, and I don't like to speculate what someone else "meant," voidypaul may have been basing his comment on these quotes below. While Seth did use the general term "man" (as in mankind, which includes women), in these quotes he uses he and his, which are more specific. These are all from Seth Speaks, Session 586, July 24, 1971. They are not necessarily in order. I added bold for emphasis. Seth also does mention distortions, and so Jane's religious background could have also contributed to these male-dominated quotes.

"The third personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming" (Matthew 24). Now these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining."

"The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated."

"(9:20.) He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom. He will, however, begin a new religious drama. A certain historical continuity will be maintained. As happened once before, however, he will not be generally known for who he is. There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow. He will return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in a shambles at the time of his arrival, and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one."

"Now there will be several born before that time who in various ways will rearouse man's expectations. One such man has already been born in India, in a small province near Calcutta, but his ministry will seem to remain comparatively local for his lifetime.

"Another will be born in Africa, a black man whose main work will be done in Indonesia. The expectations were set long ago in your terms, and will be fed by new prophets until the third personality of Christ does indeed emerge.

"He will lead man behind the symbolism upon which religion has relied for so many centuries. He will emphasize individual spiritual experience, the expansiveness of soul, and teach man to recognize the multitudinous aspects of his own reality."

Hi Deb, thanks for your reply. I am still not sure how to write on here, but I think this message will be posted.

Quote from: inavalan on April 30, 2022, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant?

No but I will quote Seth:


"Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality — the inner self — and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 14: Session 560, November 23, 1970

I will add that through my own experiences I find this more true than not.

Quote from: Joydivided on April 30, 2022, 06:49:51 PMHi Deb, thanks for your reply. I am still not sure how to write on here, but I think this message will be posted.

Joydivided you're doing fine posting! You can also take a "partial" quote if you want to just respond to something specific. Just highlight the text of interest and a button will appear between the Quote and Quick Edit buttons saying "Quote selected text." When you click that button the text will appear in the Quick Reply box. There are also formatting buttons above the QR box. Not too different than working in Word or something like that. Just ask if you have questions!

Quote from: strangerthings on May 01, 2022, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: inavalan on April 30, 2022, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant?

No but I will quote Seth:


"Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality — the inner self — and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 14: Session 560, November 23, 1970

This search

• https://nowdictation.com/q/'christ+inner'~5/

offers some good context about the symbolism (Christ, inner-self).

This gives a deeper interpretation (than the physical story) to events like the Crucifixion and the 2nd Coming. Crucifixion represents the physical man's forgetting his non-physical part aspect, forgetting his inner-self existence. The 2nd Coming represents the physical man rediscovering his non-physical aspect, rediscovering the existence of his inner-self, inner-senses, inner-world.

It is also interesting how Seth mentions that in other realities the same process was illustrated with different symbolism.

Quote from: inavalan on May 01, 2022, 04:12:01 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on May 01, 2022, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: inavalan on April 30, 2022, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant?

No but I will quote Seth:


"Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality — the inner self — and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 14: Session 560, November 23, 1970

This search

• https://nowdictation.com/q/'christ+inner'~5/

offers some good context about the symbolism (Christ, inner-self).

This gives a deeper interpretation (than the physical story) to events like the Crucifixion and the 2nd Coming. Crucifixion represents the physical man's forgetting his non-physical part aspect, forgetting his inner-self existence. The 2nd Coming represents the physical man rediscovering his non-physical aspect, rediscovering the existence of his inner-self, inner-senses, inner-world.

It is also interesting how Seth mentions that in other realities the same process was illustrated with different symbolism.

Yes

Quote from: Deb on May 01, 2022, 04:03:17 PM

Quote from: Joydivided on April 30, 2022, 06:49:51 PMHi Deb, thanks for your reply. I am still not sure how to write on here, but I think this message will be posted.

Joydivided you're doing fine posting! You can also take a "partial" quote if you want to just respond to something specific. Just highlight the text of interest and a button will appear between the Quote and Quick Edit buttons saying "Quote selected text." When you click that button the text will appear in the Quick Reply box. There are also formatting buttons above the QR box. Not too different than working in Word or something like that. Just ask if you have questions!

Cool, thanks Deb!

Quote from: strangerthings on May 01, 2022, 02:41:30 AM

Quote from: inavalan on April 30, 2022, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant

Quote from: inavalan on April 30, 2022, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on April 30, 2022, 03:19:18 PMPlus Christ is the inner self.

Would you explain in a few words what you meant?

No but I will quote Seth:

"Each of the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to one individual, and Christ as you know him represented the inner self. The twelve, therefore, plus Christ as you know him (the one figure composed of the three) represented an individual earthly personality — the inner self — and twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self. As Christ was surrounded by the disciples, so the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 14: Session 560, November 23, 1970

Try this to deepen your awareness of the presence of the innermost self, the Divine Self . A 28 minutes meditation which can be listened to on their website or downloaded. It's free and as far as I am concerned a priceless gift to humanity. It was through Sanaya that I first heard of Seth, she was an avid student of his work.

https://www.orindaben.com/pages/home/New_Light_Coming/

Quote from: strangerthings on May 01, 2022, 02:41:30 AMand Christ as you know him represented the inner self.

St, thanks for highlighting this quote. Presumably this means the inner self of every human beings. Christ is already here, so it is rather meaningless to talk about the "return" of christ in 2075 or thereabouts.

Quote from: Joydivided on May 01, 2022, 07:11:35 PMTry this to deepen your awareness of the presence of the innermost self, the Divine Self

@Joydivided somehow your last message got embedded within the quoted material in your message above (reply #309). I just fixed it, I thought some members would miss your message. I want to help you understand why that happened.

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The software puts the codes in for you, so if something doesn't look right (you can use PREVIEW to see your message before posting it), it usually means one of the codes is either missing something or in the wrong place. Does that make any sense?

Quote from: Deb on May 02, 2022, 06:19:30 PM

Quote from: Joydivided on May 01, 2022, 07:11:35 PMTry this to deepen your awareness of the presence of the innermost self, the Divine Self

@Joydivided somehow your last message got embedded within the quoted material in your message above (reply #309). I just fixed it, I thought some members would miss your message. I want to help you understand why that happened.

If you look at a message before you click POST, you'll see some words in brackets. These are called Bulletin Board Code. There's an opening code and a closing one. So if you take a quote, just make sure you write after the closing bracket (the one with the slash). I'll give a few examples here so you can see what things look like "behind the scenes."

This is what a quote looks like:

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[quote author=Joydivided link=msg=22523 date=1651450295]Try this to deepen your awareness of the presence
of the innermost self, the Divine Self [/quote]

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The software puts the codes in for you, so if something doesn't look right (you can use PREVIEW to see your message before posting it), it usually means one of the codes is either missing something or in the wrong place. Does that make any sense?

Cheers for that Deb

@Joydivided

Thank you

I listened to a little bit of it. I listen to it normally as an audio file first, then if I approve I try.

How did you find her ?

Return of the personality - does this mean reinvestment of the soul in the same incarnational self? It's something I have wondered about if you can choose one of your incarnations and return in that in a different earth spacetime, with a different set of contracts and purposes, not the same body obviously but nearly identical because you would be projecting into the physical plane the same idea of yourself as you did previously?

@Bora137
Good question.
Im also thinking we don't get off that easy lol
I think it is us now. Our true personality shining through.
In a sense.... our inner self makes a break through the psychological prison.  (?)

According to Seth, there are "twelve main characteristics connected with the egotistical self" and we have "the twelve represented qualities of personality that belong to the inner self" and that "the inner self is surrounded by these physically oriented characteristics, each drawn outward toward daily reality on the one hand, and yet orbiting the inner self."

Sounds like my very own solar system lol

Christ is surrounded by 12 disciples. Seth does not go into the 12. No one does. Except for Neville Goddard lol well... and that book a lot of us  cringe at    including me. However, I tend to think of them now as 12 states of mind. 12 honed disciplines orbiting the inner self.

He makes a lot of sense to me however!

I tend to think that each of us, right now, that is the focal point. We are the ones here now "aware". It is our turn now to shine!

In case anyone wants it:
https://ia800402.us.archive.org/33/items/NevilleGoddard003/The_Twelve_Disciples_by_neville_goddard.pdf

Some might get this some might not. But I have for years wondered about the word - disciple. The "le" of the word is added to change how it is represented. Drizzle, fickle, tickle etc. However, sometimes I wonder if it is an intentional add on to mean something else with certain words.

When I see the word "disciple" I see a word the reads like the language in the movie "Arrival". Read from both sides right to left and left to right , moving towards the center, simultaneously. To the innermost. The inner.

So I see disc and pi and the word the or el (god).

Then I realize ... hey they had discs on their heads! Even in heiroglyphs!

So if we train the 12 qualities of mind that orbit our inner self ... perhaps we too shall be a "living god". With a pi disc!



Weird huh lol
I think its so cool!

And now we witness the stage being formed for all is in shambles. Interesting how things turn out - Anyone wanna speculate now?

Quote from: Thomas Ralph Nicoletti on December 06, 2022, 09:55:22 PMAnd now we witness the stage being formed for all is in shambles. Interesting how things turn out - Anyone wanna speculate now?

Thomas, welcome to the forum. Please tell us more about your ideas.

Quote from: Sena on December 06, 2022, 10:25:25 PM

Quote from: Thomas Ralph Nicoletti on December 06, 2022, 09:55:22 PMAnd now we witness the stage being formed for all is in shambles. Interesting how things turn out - Anyone wanna speculate now?

Thomas, welcome to the forum. Please tell us more about your ideas.

I think DNA/GENES - tells you of past lives - and shows in part your involvement in other races/cultures - We also share DNA with everything on this earth and in the universe, SO we are all GOD - manifestations of DNA
View your DNA as an example of a gestalt like Seth talks about -
When you are born, all your dead relatives are past lives from entity/DNA POV - However, relatives while alive with you ARE your alternating presents.
We commune with our entity/soul all the time.

I think that the historical piece or continuity will be the return of worshipping the sun and stars as localized "GODS," especially with growing solar tech nuclear fusion, etc
if one day we could place panels on top of each layer or step of the pyramids, I wonder how much power could be generated same goes for ALL sun temples SHOW AND remind folks of the power of the ancestors

Someone mentioned earlier that the new drama would be revamping science - I dig this -

Do we think P/S 2 is here now or do we think they come in 2075? Personally, I like believing they are here now.

Also seemingly each religion is in a crisis and surprisingly for similar reasons LOL  - the stage seems pretty ripe

Quote from: Sena on December 06, 2022, 10:25:25 PM

Quote from: Thomas Ralph Nicoletti on December 06, 2022, 09:55:22 PMAnd now we witness the stage being formed for all is in shambles. Interesting how things turn out - Anyone wanna speculate now?

Thomas, welcome to the forum. Please tell us more about your ideas.

KRS - ONE on youtube, there is a video of him essentially speaking on the inner senses using a rockstar sticker logo



Hopefully, I linked it - if anyone gets/has the time, it's 30 minutes, but it's worth IMO if you watch from the POV of Seth's lenses or perspectives that Seth provided. Keep those in mind as you watch. And see what you come away with. Seth did say that other prophets would help set the stage as well - Wonder if that includes famous artists, etc, and not what I would traditionally think of when I read or hear the word prophet.   

@Thomas Ralph Nicoletti welcome to the forum. I'm on the road right now, but saw your posts to our #1 most popular topic. I'm looking forward to watching/listening to the video.

I do feel that our "Neo" could be here already. Yes to society being ripe, I'm certainly ready for some key changes and feeling like we are moving in a better direction.

@Thomas Ralph Nicoletti

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I VERY MUCH enjoyed that!
Thank you for sharing him!

Reminded me of Neville Goddard haha

And... Welcome to the SOS forum!

Blessings,
St

Quote from: Thomas Ralph Nicoletti on December 06, 2022, 09:55:22 PMAnd now we witness the stage being formed for all is in shambles. Interesting how things turn out - Anyone wanna speculate now?

No I already said my share in one of these threads lol

Btw if you do a search within the Seth material for "DNA" the only reference is from Jane and Rob because Seth emphasizes chromosomes, cells, genes, molecules etc but not DNA. So does Dr David Martin. He said it is a made up concept.

However Seth does go into the other topics you mentioned about memories of past lives stored within us. Very interesting knowledge!

Thank you for the reminder and for sharing.

You are right Seth always mentioned the specific unit he was speaking to - however DNA works to speak to what he was saying humanity needed - with ancestry and 23&me you can begin to have a starting point into those areas - you can see how far your SOUL or dna has traveled and the lives it lived - and the fact behind dna that we all share dna with everything makes it a good route to go for a "god" concept because it's OPEN ENDED as Seth stated the new new would be - secondly the sun as a physical local god since without it we would not be also helps
If we strapped solar equipment to the pyramids and sun temples around the world to help preserve and use those ancient sites I'm so curious what that could yield

You are right tho DNA is like a placeholder word LOL

Also I like to refer to us as MC's in our view we are the main character however in the grand scheme we are MODULE CONFIGURATIONS - this is my silly idea - a individual lens and then a collective group lens

Quote from: Thomas Ralph Nicoletti on December 09, 2022, 04:17:54 PMYou are right Seth always mentioned the specific unit he was speaking to - however DNA works to speak to what he was saying humanity needed - with ancestry and 23&me you can begin to have a starting point into those areas - you can see how far your SOUL or dna has traveled and the lives it lived - and the fact behind dna that we all share dna with everything makes it a good route to go for a "god" concept because it's OPEN ENDED as Seth stated the new new would be - secondly the sun as a physical local god since without it we would not be also helps
If we strapped solar equipment to the pyramids and sun temples around the world to help preserve and use those ancient sites I'm so curious what that could yield

You are right tho DNA is like a placeholder word LOL

I totally get what you are saying lol

I wouldnt mind having my "dna" checked out it would be very interesting but I know me all too well and I will never do it lol

I would love to bring back the purpose of our ancient sites. Sing them back into being. Find out what makes them tick. Its been a side kick for me for many years .. investigating theories and postulating what I am seeing or could see. Glad to know others are interested as well!

From the video @Thomas Ralph Nicoletti posted here are two unteacher names mentioned:

Ernest Holmes, Science of Mind
https://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/index.htm

James Allen, As A Man Thinketh
https://ia802700.us.archive.org/22/items/asmanthinketh00alleiala/asmanthinketh00alleiala.pdf

They deserve a shout out I think   

Hi Deb + all , it's been a loooooong time , hope y,all are movin + grooving .
       Seth said that we are not mature enough as yet to accept a woman as a Christ. Sad but true .
       The Christ personality is alive now but not yet 'awake' .
       I hope he hurries along somewhat cos I'm getting a little crusty + of course I've got some mind bending questions to ask him about all this voidy stuff I'm into . C'mon man wakey wakey , even the Buddhists have given up all hope with me + banned barred blamcklisted me for asking awkward questions about their Arupa- jhanas (the immaterial states) or voidstates as I call them.  Got a bit personal sometimes, nawty nawty . I mean how many people do you know that have been banned from major Buddhist sites .
       I bet the Christ personality would know a thing or two about the void + I would love to pick his cosmic mind quite thoroughly on the matter.
       Even Seth only mentioned it once but he is quite the tricky dicky about his philosophy + in my understanding of him , he also refers to the void or the 5th Juana as 'undifferentiated' space or level .
       Seth also said that the 12 disciples were divine fragments, created out of the Christ personality or Jesus , as he was known then .
       I never understood why people are so afraid of the Void , Seth likened it to an infinite mind (though it's not a mind) it has been called a cosmic womb too which I quite like.   Your Entity + mine dwell there, without any material form whatsoever, nor even thoughts as we know them , no images, pure formlessness.          Butttttt
       Seth went to great lengths in the sessions to lead people beyond the material world + into the infinite inner worlds/universes + stressed the importance of this all existing within each consciousness, inherent + there for the taking.
       I don't mean that everyone should go Void hunting, just don't be afraid of it , it's like death, seems like a finality from one perspective but just a new beginning from another, haha. Seth said that if one reached a certain intensity within the Void or undifferentiated space then they would be able to experience a moment-point of the entire universal system from whence they came.   Mind boggling, waaaay out there, groovy.
       Hope you + your loved ones are keeping well Deb , didn't realise it had been so long, it's this Void thing you know, time just goes out the window.
       Peace + love to you all,  paul .

Voidy, is this the gap between words, the gap between thoughts. The silence between drum beats? The pure awareness than 'is' in those moments of nothing? Or are you meaning some other void?

Man, that was quick Bora , I just signed off + wham someone's awake + revved up .
    Yes it's all of those 'things ' but it's also something more . The true Void is when you completely 'leave' the material system behind, no thoughts no images, no personal form, nothing to see hear taste touch smell, just the essence of yourself + the mobility of your consciousness or pure awareness as you said.     The Buddhists call it the 5th Jhana of infinite space . But there is more.

@voidypaul

Hi Welcome back

I do not have time to reply atm to your post I skimmed over but my intent is to say howdy!

And welcome back
 

Quote"In your terms, and in your terms only, the coming of Christ was the Second Coming. (Pause.) In those terms — and, again, this is important — in those terms only, he appeared at the time of Atlantis, but the records were destroyed and forgotten except in the memory of a few who survived.

Now, again in those terms, he is an entity who appears time and time again within your physical system, but he has been recognized on only two occasions. Once in Atlantis, and once in the Christ story as it has come down to you in all of its distortions. He appears and reappears therefore, sometimes making himself known and sometimes not. He was not one personality, as I have told you, but a highly developed entity, sometimes appearing as a fragment of himself."

—SS Appendix: Session 558, November 5, 1970

Quote"The third personality, mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming" (Matthew 24). Now these prophecies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining.

(9:20.) He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom. He will, however, begin a new religious drama. A certain historical continuity will be maintained. As happened once before, however, he will not be generally known for who he is. There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow. He will return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in a shambles at the time of his arrival, and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one."

—SS Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

Quote"I would like to make certain points clear. The "new religion" following the Second Coming will not be Christian in your terms, although the third personality of Christ will initiate it."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

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Quote"(9:25.) By that time, all religions will be in severe crisis. He will undermine religious organizations — not unite them. His message will be that of the individual in relation to All That Is. He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man's mediator with All That Is."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

Quote"For example, the main character in a religious historical drama may or may not consciously be aware of the ways in which such information is given to him. And yet it may seem to him that he does know, for the nature of a dogma's origin will be explained in terms that this main character can understand. The historical Jesus knew who he was, but he also knew that he was one of three personalities composing one entity. To a large extent he shared in the memory of the other two."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

Quote"The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated."
—SS Part Two: Chapter 21: Session 586, July 24, 1971

 Hi, thanks for the warm welcome strangerthings , v kind .
      I think Seth's philosophy is the deepest + most broad ranging + accurate of any available to 21st century man/woman.
  In the sessions he goes all the way so to speak + it is quite an intellectual feat to tie it all together + I still struggle even after 15yrs or so of my slow donkey paced study . All of the material is brilliant + it is difficult, nigh impossible to find fault with any of it.  The fact that it comes initially from Seth's entity S2 is very interesting + thought  provoking in light of Seth's philosophy of the true self.
  Thanks to Jane + Rob , also a part of the same entity, we have been blessed with a tour de force of spiritual literature.
  Even the void gets a mention (of course) + its connective to the individual via his concept of undifferentiated 'space' + the vitality of the universe in its formless state but also personally via the undifferentiated level in which each of us exists between lives + which is always present in the subconscious. And also via some of the experiences that inavalan has mentioned . Also Seth's concept of disentanglement , one of the inner senses.
    As the Christ said , we are all gods + I look forward to what He will have to say when he awakens . I don't envy the task he will have before him at that time + in this world but he will at times be aware on an entity level so he will have a much greater range of abilities to draw from, even more than Seth (as he said himself), so it should be an interesting, even incredible experience to be around him when his expansions occur .
  Peace + love, paul 
 

Quote from: voidypaul on December 11, 2022, 12:50:31 PMHi, thanks for the warm welcome strangerthings , v kind .
      I think Seth's philosophy is the deepest + most broad ranging + accurate of any available to 21st century man/woman.
  In the sessions he goes all the way so to speak + it is quite an intellectual feat to tie it all together + I still struggle even after 15yrs or so of my slow donkey paced study . All of the material is brilliant + it is difficult, nigh impossible to find fault with any of it.  The fact that it comes initially from Seth's entity S2 is very interesting + thought  provoking in light of Seth's philosophy of the true self.
  Thanks to Jane + Rob , also a part of the same entity, we have been blessed with a tour de force of spiritual literature.
  Even the void gets a mention (of course) + its connective to the individual via his concept of undifferentiated 'space' + the vitality of the universe in its formless state but also personally via the undifferentiated level in which each of us exists between lives + which is always present in the subconscious. And also via some of the experiences that inavalan has mentioned . Also Seth's concept of disentanglement , one of the inner senses.
    As the Christ said , we are all gods + I look forward to what He will have to say when he awakens . I don't envy the task he will have before him at that time + in this world but he will at times be aware on an entity level so he will have a much greater range of abilities to draw from, even more than Seth (as he said himself), so it should be an interesting, even incredible experience to be around him when his expansions occur .
  Peace + love, paul 
 

However, keep in mind Seth states it is the Christ entity that is more powerful than he/Seth is. Therefore we can not necessarily place that onto the 3rd personality - in other words, Seth never says the 3rd will be stronger than even him in fact, he almost tries to imply that WE should hamper our "NEO" expectations "He will not be generally well known for who he is" "There will not be a bow to the world stage" etc - Seth almost implies that he will go under the radar PERHAPS write a philosophy thing that later like other philosophers get/gains wide appeal.
Although I agree - I would not envy that position either
AND Seth does say however to counter me "HE will be known as a great psychic" so it shall be quite an interesting time indeed!

Quote from: inavalan on December 10, 2022, 09:19:44 PM

Quote"In your terms, and in your terms only, the coming of Christ was the Second Coming. (Pause.) In those terms — and, again, this is important — in those terms only, he appeared at the time of Atlantis, but the records were destroyed and forgotten except in the memory of a few who survived.

Now, again in those terms, he is an entity who appears time and time again within your physical system, but he has been recognized on only two occasions. Once in Atlantis, and once in the Christ story as it has come down to you in all of its distortions. He appears and reappears therefore, sometimes making himself known and sometimes not. He was not one personality, as I have told you, but a highly developed entity, sometimes appearing as a fragment of himself."

—SS Appendix: Session 558, November 5, 1970

OOOOOOOOO I forgot about this one - So then this kinda confirms the Jesus christ in the Americas theory, but IN TRUTH, its that the christ entity appeared, and the story of Kukulcan and Qeautzqoatl and perhaps the Hopi myth of the pahana or the "Elder/Lost White Brother" this connects the christ entity to a lot, if so!
I also had/have a theory that since each religion is basically or seemingly always WAITING for someone to return, what if the christ entity has been slowly setting up or helping to set up each religious story or just happens to happen? Now they the religions are all in the same spot waiting for their "PERSON" to return, and so this 3rd WHAT IF they come back to be that "PERSON" and that helps to prove that each religion WAS right in their own right and none of them were ever "Wrong" since they were/would be waiting for the same "Person" or being. Not only would this UNITE all religions it would HILARIOUSLY undermine each and every one of them ALL at the same time - WHILE strangely proving GOD exists because, holy shit - Anyway, that's a thought I have been thinking about because IT WOULD BE so f-ing COOL

Thomas u said,

        However, keep in mind Seth states it is the Christ entity that is more powerful than he/Seth is. Therefore we can not necessarily place that onto the 3rd personality - in other words, Seth never says the 3rd will be stronger than even him in fact, he almost tries to imply that WE should hamper our "NEO" expectations.

     Hi Thomas , thanks for the thoughtful observations.
     To clarify this issue , Seth stated that ''Your christ had more abilities than I do''  meaning (I'm sure) the Jesus incarnation, who was aware on an entity level . I imagine that this was not continuous but from time to time or when he needed. (Sessions 7 I think, I'll look it up sometime if no one else knows it).
   Seth also said that Jesus could bi-locate + he appeared to the disciples in many astounding ways including being in 2 places at once.  Jesus was/is the Christ personality, but the physical manifestation, which had its limitations.
   Also, Seth states that there is a state of mind wherein consciousness can be simultaneously aware of the dreaming reality + physical reality at once . The dream reality is boundless + goes all the way back to the originating Entity  + possibly to one of the CU's Seth discusses so intently. This entity consciousness is inherent in each of us. It is formless but manifests in infinite forms, it is a mystery + an apparent contradiction that can only be experienced to truly understand.      It is definitely a leap of faith but there is no other way.
   The 3rd incarnation will be entity aware + also more powerful than Seth but Seth is happy with that + would pay tribute in his own unique way to the Christ to come , or rather awaken as he is already here. Seth said that he will be the Paul aspect of the triumvirate who wishes to finish what he started. He similarly will have all of the same attributes listed above + more.
   Neo ain't got nuffin.
   He will take a swipe at all established religions + set up a new one but along the lines of this Sethian philosophy but he will have more to say + add to it on the deeper levels that Seth hinted at. I feel that i am under no illusion as to what an entity conscious being is capable of + when this new Christ turns it on I dearly hope that i am in his divine presence + believe me i am no fool + no charlatan would find solace in my company, but the Christ , i wish with all my heart that i could be amongst the lucky ones.
  I hope this makes my position clear on the Christ question. He is amongst us, his time will come. He will be entity aware, I just hope I'm around to witness/experience it.

   Peace + love, paul.

 

@voidypaul How do you imagine the new dogma ? or whatever the 3rd is bringing? We know it will be adjacent to seth and undermine religion while at the same time maintaining a level of historic continuity and that one ended consciousness will be at the forefront. My question is what is your favorite theory? The one you want most to be true/happen
I listed mine above I think that would be a cool way to flip everything around while uniting everyone on an individual level/scale

See, because I think of the logistics - This personality has to "wake up" in order to do so WE think that they 1. They must remember who they are (what does that entail/how does one actively accomplish this) 2. Has/Will have entity connection or an understanding of entity consciousness. 3. Remember/Recall All past lives. 4. Become a great psychic. 5. Recognize his relationship to the historical christ
Just a lot going on, and that's before we get to the fun parts of them TEACHing us how these things work. Which IDK how you accomplish that on a mass scale unless you can demonstrate them, not just speak to/about them.
So there must be a level of science dedicated to the craft/practice
Seth also provides an odd hint talking about new brain mappings that will aid in showing when someone recalls reincarnation memories or something along those/these lines
So many things to juggle

   Hi Thomas you said ,
  How do you imagine the new dogma ? or whatever the 3rd is bringing? We know it will be adjacent to seth and undermine religion while at the same time maintaining a level of historic continuity and that one ended consciousness will be at the forefront. My question is what is your favorite theory? The one you want most to be true/happen
I listed mine above I think that would be a cool way to flip everything around while uniting everyone on an individual level/scale. Amongst other things.

   You have a very lively + inquisitive mind my friend , thats a good characteristic + i hope it serves you well.
   I don't imagine a dogma at all actually Thomas, I think no;3 will berate religions for this reason + so will be most careful not to set up the same dogmatic approach + because he will be from the Paul aspect he will be extra cautious because of some of the 'mistakes' he made in setting up the christian doctrine.
   Yes as Seth said he will undermine current religions + be aware of his relationship with the other 2 incarnations (Atlantis + Israel) + also Jesus + John + be a fusion of all of them, in all times + places. He will simultaneously appear in all times and places. But only those with the eyes to see + the ears to hear (as some sage once said) will come close to understanding who + what he truly is, a bright, shining infinite + eternal entity.
   He will teach of the individuals eternal validity + his inherent contact with the entity + inner self + also of the inner senses + the basic 'laws of the inner universe + techniques on how to 'get there'.He will stress the importance of the individual but will teach the true brotherhood of man beyond national or private interests . He will be able to 'show' his past incarnations + perhaps some future probabilities. He will be a natural telepath + medium . He will have all of the abilities I mentioned in my previous post , bi-location , dual or more concurrent appearances etc. He will teach about the Creation , the Void + true basic reality + how it is filtered + distorted until only a minute fraction appears to our physical perception. He will be able enter into another person's being + look out thru their eyes + have them look out through his own, etc , etc I could go on at length but the Seth books have it. He will teach the Seth philosophy + add to it. 
   To remember who you are in all of your incarnations, you have to ask it of your inner self, look inward + be patient, peaceful + serene + it will eventually arise. This is meditation this is Seth's dissociation . It is simple but difficult for the ego to let go of its dominion. In my Void experiences I initially asked what was the true self beyond any + all manifestations. Quite simple really but a massive effect.
    Peace + tranquility will open all doors. One must learn to sometimes quieten the inquisitive mind + let go of the intellect, use them to set your course but you must  let them go + use faith + intuition or you will 'see' nothing + 'go' nowhere.
   I don't want to go on at length but if you or I or anyone else were to come into the presence of the 3rd when he is in an expansive state , we would go weak at the knees + barely be able to stand, so intense would be his 'charisma' . He will totally outshine any other being on this planet + on many others, many of whom are gathering in our dimension, also awaiting his awakening.  He will not only do this personally or in select groups but will also enter into the minds of all living creatures thru their dream realities + give instruction in this manner also.
   He will enter into + demonstrate the mass unconscious of the species + also maybe some of the infinite probabilities available to mankind.
   He will show his own connection to his entity via his direct awareness of it + also the entity's place in the primary + absolute pyramid gestalt of All That Is. He will demonstrate his own transcendence + stun all into an immediate + willing deference to his magnificent true inner personality, blah, blah blah etc, etc, etc... A truly magical being.
   I hope this will help you to understand some of my expectations.
   Seth gives all of the means + ways by which this can be achieved in his material.

   Peace and love, paul 
   

@voidypaul So what then do you think or infer from the prospect of historical continuity "as has happened once before" I see this as an indication that we humans we move or revert back to the ancestors ways of being attached to earth as we are the cells of the earth meaning our actions have direct consequences and the earth responds accordingly
The ancient traditions loved the sun and water (fitting as you need both for life to spring forth
The sun also has nuclear fusion which is the base mode of energy in our universe so once we achieve that state we will be able to mimic our local god (sun)
Also using ancestry and 23&me you can see what cultures/races etc you and your soul or entity have been apart and how far your entity has travelled and how many lives it has lived - I believe DNA will be a huge part in the coming new drama along with the sun
You are a modular configuration of your entity/dna
When you are born all relatives alive (with your current personality) are alternating presents - dead relatives become/are to be considered past lives from the dna and entity perspective
Telepathy we do on a daily basis if you consider sympathy and empathy as the lowest base notes of the concept. When asked to read the room what is it that you are being asked to read? That's always my thought on it reading emotions helps to lead you into their head
Think with the dna concept how religious folks and flocks denounce gay people etc think how would they treat their child who is gay if they see them from the POV of being an alternative present of themselves
Also why would god comt8nue to create beings who are gay etc if god hates them? Rather I see it as god keeps making them so religious folks LEARN TO GET OVER THEMSELVES

@voidypaul Going off of the DNA we are all alternating perspectives of our entity then likewise, all religions are explaining the same god just from alternating views/cultures/regions of perspective.
I don't think he would/will need to berate (along he will most likely) I think showing the unity of and between all religions is the best path - Because the fake uniting acts as a rug pull - NONE are better than each other and all are to be viewed and studied the same - AND left to the reader to choose and create their own MODULE CONFIGURATION of belief it all comes from the same thing and it all is explaining the same thing.

Science - Atom
Egypt - Atum
Christian - Adam
I feel like religious texts tried to personify Atoms etc - "So what would eve be?" Well the electron which is fashioned to the RIM or Rib of the Atom or Adam

Hindu - Atman (The atom made man)
Hindu and Buddhist I think - Brahma/Brahman
Tao - The tao that can be named is not the true tao (Just like the separation between Brahma and brahman)

Each faith is "pointing" as it were to the same thing or the same god just THEIR system/concept is THEIR own - Which is what I think the 3rd is meant to do with "Expressing the individuals connection/relationship to THE ALL THAT IS"
Instead of making a new religion - WHAT if he doesn't make anything? AND he teaches us how to create our own religions ourselves - our own systems so that we can literally create our own personal relationship to ALL THAT IS or god?

Then there is Maya - a belief system called animism. Animism is the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence or soul. For the Maya, all things - animals, plants, rocks, rivers, weather systems, human handiwork, and perhaps even words - were alive.
Maya, interestingly enough, links to panpsychism.

Inca - believed that nature, man, and the Pachamama (Mother Earth), lived in harmony and perpetual interrelation. The Inca state promoted the worship of a creator god (Wiracocha), the sun god (Inti)
Reason Inca is interesting to me is this seems to be a religion/philosophy set on preventing climate change/climate-like events

Aztec religion was primarily polytheist. They had different gods, male and female. The sun god was Tonatiuh.
Inca and aztec are/were similar both polytheist and of the sun and connection to the earth and living within means of the earth etc (Although in reality both are VERY different)

Then we come to ancient Iran/Persia and Zoroastrianism, Which also worshipped the sun. There are more similarities between them than there are differences.   

    Hi again Thomas.
  I get the impression that you are over-thinking all of this. You obviously have a very broad spectrum of interests but If you like to use your intellectual ability I think you would be better served by applying it to the Seth material. It truly has all of the answers we are looking for. 
  From the creation of the soul, to atoms + molecules + cells, from the DNA to your own personality, this is all created by the entity + inner self + the ways + means are clearly put out in the material .  Ur inner self creates your body + maintains it as it also does for your environment which is a projection outward from your physical self; you create everything that you are + all that you see + touch,  with your own inner energy.
  As Seth has said we each actually create + live in an entirely different world/universe but the mechanics of such a production are so beautifully + seamlessly achieved that we are only able to perceive a unity via the physical senses. Telepathy + the inner senses are the 'glue' that holds all of this together , there is a constant telepathic communication going on between all living beings but it is subconscious + the ego is not aware of it + that is good because it could not handle it. Sometimes when people take psychotropic substances they begin to perceive a portion of this activity but i am not saying people should take these things as they can be dangerous , bit of an overload of information.
  Read the material, it is complex but invaluable + no truer more accurate philosophy exists anywhere on earth in my estimation. The 3rd personality will use it i am sure.
  The Entity is formless + cannot be apprehended by the intellect or reason . It is with the inner self/ego we must deal , it is like a god to us as it is the original personality from which our precious little ego was created + who maintains all of our bodily functions throughout our lives. We are dependent on it for the breath of life itself, both internally + externally as it also creates the physical environment we live in.  And finally it holds us like a babe in arms when we think we die + go from here.
  Meditate, or dissociate as Seth says, leave this world behind . It is so important to dissociate oneself from physical reality + its concerns, a couple of times a day if poss'.  The buddists + orientalists have it right in this respect, the only way out is in.  Be calm be peaceful + achieve tranquility + you will 'meet' with your inner being + it's knowledge can in some ways be made available to you. 
  The Seth material is more precise + concise than any oriental or western philosophy + it will, along with the new Christ teachings be the only understanding of true reality anyone would ever need. All of this will be achieved by 2075 anyway so many of us will live to see the 3rd personality if not the fruition of his work (+ Seths).
Weather they accept it or not is their own affair as many are simply not yet ready for such a cosmic production.

  Peace + love  , paul   
 

My brother Paul if anything we/I were/was/am under thinking this - go back to what @inavalan said above Seth states the Christ entity was known to us twice 1st being Atlantis - coming from the seas this Christ entity 12k years ago corresponds to the Aztec/maya/Inca with quetzqoatl and kukulkan
Then the 2nd with Jesus
3rd with us I guess LOL but the links are all over the place I think the 3rd has to point out the links and in this was way undermine all while uniting in a manner of speaking

What if what you see is not what he sees or what she sees?

Like in that movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster. Her character met her "father".

Individualized.
Personal.

Experience is exactly that.

Value Full-fill ment

Spiritual Psyche Drama

Inner spacial eternity

This is our MYTH. Psyche Inner Being myth!

"what is coming at you, is coming from within you."

Mark: 21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand."

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What happens in your inner space?!

My brother Paul if anything we/I were/was/am under thinking this - go back to what @inavalan said above Seth states the Christ entity was known to us twice 1st being Atlantis - coming from the seas this Christ entity 12k years ago corresponds to the Aztec/maya/Inca with quetzqoatl and kukulkan
Then the 2nd with Jesus
3rd with us I guess LOL but the links are all over the place I think the 3rd has to point out the links and in this was way undermine all while uniting in a manner of speaking

Hi Thomas,
          my point is that one can connect + re-connect + see all of the interweavings of these Christ's + civilizations , where they were + what connections grew out of them + yes that is very interesting but does that bring you closer to your inner reality, to connecting personally with your true inner self ?
  Maybe .        Historically  I very much agree that it is very interesting that Christ was teaching in Atlantis + it does seem that his influence was taken with the lost atlanteans to many places around the world as you mentioned  but Seth also mentioned that the 'visitors' or aliens were also active in these same places, those ones he says that educated some of the ancient Atlanteans, Sumerians + those in the near + middle-east + some groups of them having gone to the S American continent + elsewhere? . Those ones who taught humans to cut + shape granite + other even harder stones for which we must use specialized tools nowerdays + who finally laid out the plans for the Giza plateau + the pyramids for the Egyptians to build + who gave them the means/tools to do so. 
  Yes indeed a most fascinating history + I appreciate it perhaps as much or nearly as much as you may do. Aliens + Christ, who do you think was keeping an eye on whom or did they work together in some way?  Mind boggling.
  So the visitors/aliens who Seth says did not have human form, were active in large areas + era's of our world (as was Christ). 
    'Mythology' is more than just simple myths. Seth even says that they intermingled or interbred in some way saying that this was much more dangerous for the visitors than the humans. Reptilian type beings are super-abundant in mythology!!! (Seth does not say they were reptilian) but he does say that they would communicate with those peoples via dreams or oob states or in out of the way places, all of which is described in historical + religious literature, Enoch being a case in point, but there are so many more . There are even etchings on stone that show mayans or olmecs or whomever , offering up children to space ships + aliens + even though I cannot say whether these are authentic or not, they do in my estimation reveal actual occurrences of those times + places.
  It is a fascinating mind bending topic + I would submit that your interest in such things is probably a keen indicator that you may have been born into some of these era's but my main point to you was that all of these living memories, which are not at all inconsequential, but that these are simultaneous living existences that occur internally now, + to go inward is to reach outward into all of these other multidimensional worlds.  And the Seth philosophy is the best 21st century guide anyone could possibly have to point the way so to speak.  He says that in true inner reality all of these existences occur at once + are occurring at once, the Sumerians, Egyptians + mayans etc, all co-exsiting within your inner reality as in all others.
     
  The new Christ will be able to show inner reality so that others can directly experience it but this is most unusual + generally we must go find it ourselves.

  peace + love, brother, yes that is kind of you,  paul. 



                                                                                                                                 
Hi Strangerthings, you asked,

  What if what you see is not what he sees or what she sees?

Voidy;  Yes true,  I have made it clear earlier , as Seth says, that we all live in + create an entirely different physical world even universe. I do not see or touch the same physical object that you do nor your brothers or sisters, nor those around you right now. We each create + inhabit a similar but entirely different physical world/universe.      Seth is absolutely clear about this + explains the psychic + material ways in which the 'mechanics' of this is achieved. See chapter 10 I think, of Seth material amongst others.


Strangerthings; 
                Like in that movie "Contact" with Jodie Foster. Her character met her "father".

Individualized.
Personal.

Experience is exactly that.

Value Full-fill ment

Spiritual Psyche Drama

Inner spacial eternity

This is our MYTH. Psyche Inner Being myth!

"what is coming at you, is coming from within you."


Voidy:  Yes, exactly.


Strangertings;    Mark: 21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. 22 False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. 23 But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand."


Voidy:  Yep, but when the true Christ wakes up there are those who will know of it + it will be unmistakable to them that He is here.  He is here now but not yet awake.


Strangerthings;  What happens in your inner space?!

Voidy;            The void my friend.  It is the begining + end of any material existence as Seth has mentioned in dreams evolution book 1 + in The Seth material.  It is a problem/conundrum which I obviously set for myself before I was born.
I personally doubt that I will be able to resolve this issue but as Seth has said one should raise their expectations in order to achieve the best they can get out of themselves. So I plod on at my usual donkey pace + who knows maybe I will get 'there' again, God/ATI/ or my inner self willing, as it was this inner self who gave me access to such a bizarre + mind bending experience + which has shaped my life.

peace + love, paul

@voidypaul NOW, that is what I wanted to read! So now my question would be, can you speculate for me on how others would know THAT he has awoken? How would it be unmistakable?
Also yes, I most likely have ties somehow someway my DNA goes back roughly 300k years from our current methods of DNA understanding to the first farmers so that's cool.
In fact I have encountered the "void" in theory at least - I went through a SA (suicide attempt) don't/no need to comment I'm fine it was years ago etc (Behind me) However when I closed my eyes that night I had an experience unlike anything else in my life - I even now believe I met and talked with my entity - To me though the void wasn't the interesting part - similar experience folks are having with 5Meo DMT void blip space etc most likely DMT had ties to mystery religions and helped produce the ideas and concepts of the void to be observed and slightly/semi experience while in physical form ancient meditation had to be like ayahuasca ceremonies etc

So how will others know he is here? WIll it be upon meeting him? or will they know even without having met him that he is here? Curious because I know you have thought this aspect through MORE than I have so I'm curious how far the rabbit hole goes

The way I see this, the 2nd Coming is about each one of us, when they're evolved enough, joining a Christ level of reality. Such alternate physical realities exist, but those like us (who are here) aren't ready yet. There are people making this kind of transition in any place, and any time period. It isn't about a Christ coming to save us, but about our individual evolving to join a Christ level reality.