~Speaking of Seth~

Quote from: inavalan on August 11, 2022, 01:22:11 AM@Deb

In hypnosis and in NLP, confusion is one of the methods used to make the subject suggestible. This can happen unintentionally too. Once brought to that condition, the subject can't really be held accountable for what he does, perceives, thinks, reasons. So, it isn't that people are lazy at thinking, or stupid. It is also known, that the more intelligent people are more hypnotizable.

Umm what in the world ? Do you have hands on personal experience with this or you just reading fear stories and spreading he said she said malarky? I have a lot of experience with NLP to include hypnotizing and this to me is so far out in left field. I hope you have proof to back up your claims otherwise its mere gossip and fear mongering.

All tools can be used as a weapon or as constructive. To include hypnotizing. However you just post stuff without ANY references and I think we deserve them.

I have quite a few posts on this forum about NLP as it helped me tremendously.

Quote from: Mark M on August 09, 2022, 11:31:53 AMThanks, but the link did not work for me.

I was afraid if I dashed into the house and ran upstairs for a camera, they would be gone when I got back outside, alas.

LOL and thats exactly what would of happened!

I find that our documenting is not as important as the experience.  So cool you experienced it!

Quote from: inavalan on August 08, 2022, 11:40:37 PMBrowsing the contents of a couple of his books, I'm tempted to hypothesize that he might've had some altered states of consciousness experiences.

@inavalan , you are correct. Kastrup did experiment with "altered states of consciousness":

QuoteHe authored six books so far of which the video in the OP is meant to discuss one of them. This particular book "Dreamed up Reality" does not include a definite model of reality but more of sharing his personal experiences with altered states of consciousness, which can be induced in many ways such as mind machines, psychedelics and meditation.

https://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=35715

Quote from: Deb on August 10, 2022, 04:01:26 PM

Quote from: inavalan on August 09, 2022, 12:25:38 AMThere is a quote I couldn't find now, in which Seth talks about Jane needing to get new glasses, and if I recall it correctly, he comments that that is caused by her belief that she sees with her eyes.

When I was proofreading Mary's interviews, a lot of people who attended the ESP classes would talk about Jane's glasses coming off as soon as Seth came through, and how obvious it was that she as Seth could see fine without them. Her arthritis issues would decrease or go away as well and she was able to move in ways she could not when she was Jane again. Several people talked about how impressive this was and how they realized she WAS causing her problems.

The videos were very interesting. I have a friend who lost her eyesight completely about 10 years ago, I wonder if she'd be interesting in trying something like that. She has not adjusted well to blindness. I'll give it a shot.

Interesting

From what I read, all those involved in extra-ocular vision noticed that young children always, and usually in a matter of hours, succeed. Older people, less.

Hypotheses about how extra-ocular vision works are obviously based on the way our society thinks about the physicality of our awake reality. In my opinion, it is a matter of conscious and unconscious beliefs that accumulate with age. It is both about the beliefs of those who learn, and of those who teach or assist (who influence, unintentionally, at subconscious level).

I hope that your friend can overcome her limiting beliefs, and benefit from this.

I should try it by myself, as my view of reality is incompatible with whatever those instructors teach, ad for me that would be counterproductive.

Quote from: Deb on August 10, 2022, 04:24:05 PM...

Just had a thought. If we get what we focus upon, isn't THAT essentially cause and effect? 

As I recall, Seth says that there is no cause-and-effect as-we-understand-it. I think his main contention is the sequentiality and determinism that we attribute to the cause-and-effect relation. The "cause", as the initiator of an action, can be in the past, in the future, in another probable reality.

Quotehttps://neurosciencenews.com/serotonin-depression-21074/

No Evidence That Depression Is Caused by Low Serotonin Levels
·July 20, 2022

Summary: A new comprehensive review disputes the serotonin theory of depression, reporting there remains no clear evidence that serotonin levels or serotonin activity is responsible for depression.

Source: UCL

After decades of study, there remains no clear evidence that serotonin levels or serotonin activity are responsible for depression, according to a major review of prior research led by UCL scientists.

The new umbrella review – an overview of existing meta-analyses and systematic reviews – published in Molecular Psychiatry, suggests that depression is not likely caused by a chemical imbalance, and calls into question what antidepressants do.

Most antidepressants are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs), which were originally said to work by correcting abnormally low serotonin levels. There is no other accepted pharmacological mechanism by which antidepressants affect the symptoms of depression.

Lead author Professor Joanna Moncrieff, a Professor of Psychiatry at UCL and a consultant psychiatrist at North East London NHS Foundation Trust (NELFT), said: "It is always difficult to prove a negative, but I think we can safely say that after a vast amount of research conducted over several decades, there is no convincing evidence that depression is caused by serotonin abnormalities, particularly by lower levels or reduced activity of serotonin.

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This vindicates Tom Cruise ...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=kjEf85c-S50

@Deb The most detrimental case of "mass formation" must be our modern perception of physical reality. As I understand Seth, it mustn't be as we experience it now, and "historically" it wasn't always experienced this way.

In hypnosis and in NLP, confusion is one of the methods used to make the subject suggestible. This can happen unintentionally too. Once brought to that condition, the subject can't really be held accountable for what he does, perceives, thinks, reasons. So, it isn't that people are lazy at thinking, or stupid. It is also known, that the more intelligent people are more hypnotizable.

An easy way of creating confusion is brain-overloading, based on the brain's limited capability of following multiple threads simultaneously. Another way, used a lot by the Eastern gurus, is inflicting a surprising shock, physical or mental.

Unfortunately, there is no way to realize that you are caught in mass-formation, and there is no way to pull out somebody from such a state, excepting a shock, physical or mental.

The good news is that eventually all mass-formations implode. The bad news is that the larger the formation the longer it takes for that implosion to happen, and the larger the needed shock.

hey Deb,

   this is a quote from ES1:

"TES1 Session 29 February 26, 1964 plane Callahan Miss Watts camouflage

Your particular camouflage pattern is given to solids, among other things, and the idea of solids gives its alternative of something not solid or unfilled, which you call space. Your outer senses are themselves camouflages to deal with, and equipped to perceive, camouflages. On some other planes the camouflage pattern is so different as to be beyond your present comprehension."

THIS guy again, he's a crackup. I'm surprised he hasn't been banned from YouTube over this one.

I escaped to the mountains yesterday, spent the night in a motel that has live TV. I only have cable at home (thankfully) and so haven't been exposed to commercials in quite some time. It's amazing how many these days are dedicated to pharmaceuticals and the high speed list of side effects (usually diarrhea, vomiting, dizziness, strokes, heart attacks... death lol) always cracks me up because yes, they're always distracting people with happy social interactions while they're doing it.

We do get what we focus upon. I seem to recall Seth also talked about these pharma commercials, plus regular wellness exams like mammograms, that keep ill health on our radar.

Just had a thought. If we get what we focus upon, isn't THAT essentially cause and effect? 

Quote from: inavalan on August 09, 2022, 12:25:38 AMThere is a quote I couldn't find now, in which Seth talks about Jane needing to get new glasses, and if I recall it correctly, he comments that that is caused by her belief that she sees with her eyes.

When I was proofreading Mary's interviews, a lot of people who attended the ESP classes would talk about Jane's glasses coming off as soon as Seth came through, and how obvious it was that she as Seth could see fine without them. Her arthritis issues would decrease or go away as well and she was able to move in ways she could not when she was Jane again. Several people talked about how impressive this was and how they realized she WAS causing her problems.

The videos were very interesting. I have a friend who lost her eyesight completely about 10 years ago, I wonder if she'd be interesting in trying something like that. She has not adjusted well to blindness. I'll give it a shot.