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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: How many incarnations?
« Last post by LenKop on June 21, 2017, 05:50:45 PM »
Thanks for the reply Sena.

And my post has both sides of the story to highlight how we, especially Seth readers when it comes to Jane's health, place our beliefs upon others, when really don't know the full story.

Len
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Seth & Other Teachers / Mike Dooley TUT
« Last post by Deb on June 21, 2017, 11:07:27 AM »
Wow, I've been listening to the audio version of Mike's book, Infinite Possibilities: The Art of Living Your Dreams and I'm really enjoying it. While I've seen his message compared to The Secret by Rhonda Burns, who supposedly stole the idea behind The Secret from Abraham-Hicks, A-H is basically the teachings of Seth. Mike is a Seth/Jane Roberts fan (plus Ayn Rand and Richard Bach!).

So far in the book Mike has been explaining how we make our own reality based on our beliefs, where our beliefs come from, what they really are (according to him, our attitude towards things). He also shares a good way to examine our beliefs by observing our behavior and noticing patterns. How to also overcome the ones that aren't serving us. I've ordered the printed version from my library and will add some quotes about that when I get it.

While Mike is basically paraphrasing Seth's teachings, he is likable and enthusiastic and of course uses his own voice to clearly present the concepts. I always enjoy hearing the Seth materials presented from a new angle.

I also get his daily emails, "Notes from the Universe" which are fun. How can you not love things like this:

"In the beginning, Deb, long before there were even beaches to walk along, clouds to float upon, or stars to wish on, I dreamed of you and your happiness.
And everything that has ever been added since was to that end.
Tell me you’ve noticed...
    The Universe"

or

"By all means, Deb, quantum physics totally rocks. Just don't let its search for the unifying equation of the cosmos distract you from using it.
I mean, one needn't know trigonometry to use chopsticks, eh? Gravity was gravity long before Newton, huh? And between now and the time they reveal their little theorem, your thoughts will unceasingly become things, as the entire world spins in the palm of your hand.
Aren't we amazing?
     The Universe"
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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by Deb on June 21, 2017, 07:52:35 AM »
LOL, thanks Len. I didn't want to go there. :D

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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: How many incarnations?
« Last post by Sena on June 21, 2017, 06:10:54 AM »
Quote from: LenKop
Maybe Jane didn't try hard enough to implement Seth's material. If she did, then she would have 'healed', would she not?
Len, I think Seth's teachings on illness are quite complex, so I have to disagree with what you have writen here. I don't have a copy of "The Way Towards Health", but this is an extract from that book:

"…. each individual also has many options open. Everyone who feels broken-hearted does not necessarily die of heart failure for example. The subject of health cannot be considered in an isolated fashion … each person will try to fulfil their own unique abilities, and to ‘fill out’ the experience of life as fully as possible."

https://existentialmedicine.wordpress.com/extract-from-%E2%80%98the-way-toward-health%E2%80%99-a-seth-book-by-jane-roberts/

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Or, on the other hand, maybe she mastered this life, and we are here thinking that here 'sickness' cut her life short, when really she did all that she needed to in this physical life.
I agree with this part of your post. The following is also from The Way Towards Health:

"The desire to die is considered cowardly, even evil, by some religions – and yet behind that desire lies all of the vitality of the will to life, which may already be seeking new avenues of expression and meaning."
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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by LenKop on June 21, 2017, 05:23:00 AM »
Quote from: Deb
The person who recommended the book would probably say I'm not spiritually advanced enough for it at this time.

I try to stay clear of these kind of people.................as I'm not spiritually advanced enough....LOL

The book might also have triggered defensiveness in you Deb because your BS meter is quite advanced, and it was sounding an alarm... ;)

Len

 
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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by Deb on June 20, 2017, 04:11:08 PM »
Quote from: Michael Sternbach
Keep in mind it was published in 1941, when esoteric authors generally liked to employ a pompous style that was without a doubt strongly inspired by Christianity.

You're right. I was thinking today that the tone of the book triggered a defensiveness in me due to my own resistance to Christianity and organized religion in general during this life. Even as a small child all I saw were contradictions and control and a sense of arrogance. The book is written with a rather arrogant tone. I just looked up the Wiki on Benner, and the book was actually first published in 1914. He felt the book was dictated to him by God.

Apparently Elvis Presley gave away hundreds of copies of the book and died with the book in his possession. Some day I'll give it another shot. :D

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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by Michael Sternbach on June 20, 2017, 03:48:17 PM »
Quote from: Deb
Quote from: Sena
Deb, is The Impersonal Life by Joseph Benner?

Yes, that's the one. It was recommended by someone on the forum. I quoted a passage from it above.

It's a small book, first publised in 1941. It started out a little confusing to me, as the introduction by the editor starts with pointing out that the "I" speaking is the Spirit within, the Soul, the Real You, but then goes on to say the book was an "opportunity to serve the Loving Father Who had been found to be ever-present and always ready to bless those of His children who loved Him enough to make Him first in their hearts and lives." He finishes with "This little book, therefore, is intended to serve as a channel or open door through which you may enter into the Joy or your Lord, the Comforter promised by Jesus, the living expression in you of the Christ of God. There's also a handwritten letter dated 1917 from Benner to the "Father" regarding his being chosen to be a medium for the message, ending with "It is Thy Work, Thy Idea, Thy Desire. Do Thou, O Lord, through me quickly bring it to pass that Thy Will may be done on Earth even as It is in Heaven. In Christ's Name, I ask it." I realize the religious interpretation was subjective and that God, The Father or All That Is are subjective labels for essentially the same thing—Source.

The voice of the book comes from either the "Divine Self" (Inner Self?) or the "I AM" (ATI?). It started off nicely, attempting to help the reader become conscious and aware of the Self and there are some parallels with the Seth material. But then this is the kind of stuff that turned me off:

"You, as one of the cells of My Body, have a consciousness that is My Consciousness, and intelligence that is My Intelligence, even a will that is My Will. You have none of these for yourself or of yourself. They are all Mine and for My use only."

The person who recommended the book would probably say I'm not spiritually advanced enough for it at this time. It's a quick read, I will finish it some day and hopefully have a different view about it when I can digest the content as a whole.

If it is of any help, you could read the problematic passage as meaning that your (true) will is actually identical with the will of your "Divine Self", in line with what Seth and others have shared.

At least that would be the benevolent way of reading it, which may be justified if the rest of the book mostly makes sense.

Keep in mind it was published in 1941, when esoteric authors generally liked to employ a pompous style that was without a doubt strongly inspired by Christianity. In order to get the gold nuggets such books sometimes contain nevertheless out of them, you do have to make allowances. ;D
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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by Deb on June 20, 2017, 01:55:49 PM »
Quote from: Sena
Deb, is The Impersonal Life by Joseph Benner?

Yes, that's the one. It was recommended by someone on the forum. I quoted a passage from it above.

It's a small book, first publised in 1941. It started out a little confusing to me, as the introduction by the editor starts with pointing out that the "I" speaking is the Spirit within, the Soul, the Real You, but then goes on to say the book was an "opportunity to serve the Loving Father Who had been found to be ever-present and always ready to bless those of His children who loved Him enough to make Him first in their hearts and lives." He finishes with "This little book, therefore, is intended to serve as a channel or open door through which you may enter into the Joy or your Lord, the Comforter promised by Jesus, the living expression in you of the Christ of God. There's also a handwritten letter dated 1917 from Benner to the "Father" regarding his being chosen to be a medium for the message, ending with "It is Thy Work, Thy Idea, Thy Desire. Do Thou, O Lord, through me quickly bring it to pass that Thy Will may be done on Earth even as It is in Heaven. In Christ's Name, I ask it." I realize the religious interpretation was subjective and that God, The Father or All That Is are subjective labels for essentially the same thing—Source.

The voice of the book comes from either the "Divine Self" (Inner Self?) or the "I AM" (ATI?). It started off nicely, attempting to help the reader become conscious and aware of the Self and there are some parallels with the Seth material. But then this is the kind of stuff that turned me off:

"You, as one of the cells of My Body, have a consciousness that is My Consciousness, and intelligence that is My Intelligence, even a will that is My Will. You have none of these for yourself or of yourself. They are all Mine and for My use only."

The person who recommended the book would probably say I'm not spiritually advanced enough for it at this time. It's a quick read, I will finish it some day and hopefully have a different view about it when I can digest the content as a whole.

Quote from: Michael Sternbach
My understanding is that the inner self is in fact inspiring thoughts on the level of the mind. Remember that, as Seth has said, there are no real divisions inside the self, it is all "us".

Inspiring, yes, that's how I see it too.

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Seth & Other Teachers / Re: The Impersonal Life
« Last post by Michael Sternbach on June 20, 2017, 01:32:47 PM »
Quote from: Sena
Quote from: Deb
I just couldn't continue reading The Impersonal Life because of the constant repeating that we are mindless puppets without one creative thought in our heads that was not first placed there by ATI. It goes against everything thing Seth has to say about the purpose of our existence.
Deb, is The Impersonal Life by Joseph Benner? I have not read it. If he states that creative thoughts are "put into our heads" by ATI, that is a serious misunderstanding of the nature of ATI. My understanding is that every conscious being is a manifestation of ATI. I don't see ATI as some kind of god who goes around putting thoughts into people's heads.

My understanding is that the inner self is in fact inspiring thoughts on the level of the mind. Remember that, as Seth has said, there are no real divisions inside the self, it is all "us".

I also believe that, even though, hypothetically, everything may be possible, based on our nature, we are much more inclined towards certain probabilities than others. Let's say, the former are more probable ... :D

It is also obvious to me that different aspects of my personality are "surfacing" at different times. There are certain cycles at work here.

If I want to accept that everything that could happen is actually happening on some level of reality, as Seth and the Many-Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics seem to suggest, is something I haven't decided yet. I feel that this would render making decisions kind of meaningless.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: How many incarnations?
« Last post by sethspeaks on June 20, 2017, 09:13:30 AM »
Session 9

("What is the personal significance of the drawing of the old woman I am now working on, in egg tempera?"
(Jane dictates.) The old woman was the mother. The drawing represents a synthesis of the knowledge that you learned during that personality. The knowledge of the mother lingers in the mental genes, and the memory of the flesh still occurs in your physical genes. That which is, is never blotted out. Another drawing of a woman and a baby also represents you as a young mother with a child.
Neither of you have a need for children in your present personalities. You are almost finished with incarnations on the earth, so much so that the physical bodies will return completely and unfragmented upon your physical death. This is always the case in the final earth life. The physical property is left behind, no portion of it being carried on that plane through children.
You are able to think in terms of immortality through your work, rather than through physical offspring, simply because your entity has known itself in terms of the flesh. Therefore you are no longer bound or drawn to it in that fashion. This is not to say that psychic love of earthly phenomenon is not with you. It is and will be. Even on other planes the sensual nature and appreciation of the earthly habitat is maintained.
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