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Seth Books / Re: The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
« Last post by Sena on Today at 01:56:15 PM »
Quote from: jbseth
Now, if you’re really interested in this subject, you may also be interested in what Seth had to say about viruses, a related subject. In the index of this book, you’ll find that Seth talks about viruses on pages 182, 183, 184, 188, 189 and 190.
jbseth, I think Seth says somewhere that viruses are highly intelligent:

"Give us a moment . . . What I have said about viruses applies
to all biological life. Viruses are "highly intelligent" — meaning that they
react quickly to stimuli. They are responsive to emotional states. They are
social. Their scale of life varies considerably, and some can be inactive
for centuries, and revive. They have extensive memory patterns,
biologically imprinted. Some can multiply in the tens of thousands within
seconds. They are in many ways the basis of biological life, but you are
aware of them only when they show "a deadly face.""
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: "The soul is not an immortalized ego"
« Last post by Sena on Today at 01:51:31 PM »
Quote from: Bora137
How exciting it is to think we all might have a myriad of personalities to draw on.
Hi Bora, what I like about this topic is that according to Seth the soul is quite mysterious. I remind myself of this when I encounter irksome events in my life.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by usmaak on Today at 12:17:28 PM »
Quote from: leidl
usmaak, I can relate...my belief system still shows myriad effects of my religious upbringing as well.  In my case I didn't experience a couple of intense periods of indoctrination, but more of a slow drip as a result of a Christian education from K-12 plus 4 years of college.  For much of my adult life I've considered myself to be a recovering Christian, just another way of saying "messed up."  But the belief that we were negatively affected by religion is really just another hurtful belief, isn't it?  I'm trying to choose to see myself as someone who was indoctrinated with religious beliefs early on, and as a result has a good understanding that beliefs are just beliefs.  Neutral building blocks of reality.  If we don't like what we've built, we can tear down and start over with different beliefs.

I was told that at nature, we were sinners and that if we didn't walk the fine line of belief and not sinning, we would roast in hell for all of eternity.  It is still with me as a little nagging thought that says, "what if this is what's true?"  I read the reviews for Seth books and others and the one star reviews love quoting the bible and basically saying that this is how the devil leads us astray.  It sound ridiculous but that kid in me still wonders.

It keeps me from truly believing in anything at all.  I know it too, but seem powerless to stop it.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by jbseth on Today at 12:13:44 PM »
Quote from: leidl
jbseth, my apologies for confusing you.  I was googling for information on what Seth says about the loss of pets, and ended up....here!  There seem to be many paths leading to this space.  As always, thanks to Deb for creating it.

Hi leidl, Hi All,

leidl, there is absolutely no need for you to "apologize" here for anything here.

At first, I thought that this first post was some sort of glitch, where usmaak's old message showed up. Then after Deb, explained what was going on here, I realized that this is what was taking place and I recalled seeing his same thing being done here previously, on several occasions.

If anything, let me apologize for my unintentional misunderstanding.



What you have going here, I think, is an example of some of the very best of the threads I've seen in the Seth Forum. I greatly applaud both your efforts here and your comments too.

You've pulled up a message from the past, that still touches many of us today.

This thread has touched upon the feelings involved in losing a beloved pet, the aspects of being a recovering "Christian" or "whatever" is the specific background of our pasts, the aspects of both questioning Seth and what to believe and the aspects of coming from the heart and dealing with and feeling some powerful emotions.  I suspect that there of many other members of this forum, who have had experiences with many of these things as well. I know I have. 


Thank "you" for being such a wonderful member of this forum and for starting this post. :)

-jbseth
 











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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by leidl on Today at 11:04:16 AM »
Quote from: usmaak
That really messed me up in myriad ways and I still retain echos of being messed up from that to this day.

usmaak, I can relate...my belief system still shows myriad effects of my religious upbringing as well.  In my case I didn't experience a couple of intense periods of indoctrination, but more of a slow drip as a result of a Christian education from K-12 plus 4 years of college.  For much of my adult life I've considered myself to be a recovering Christian, just another way of saying "messed up."  But the belief that we were negatively affected by religion is really just another hurtful belief, isn't it?  I'm trying to choose to see myself as someone who was indoctrinated with religious beliefs early on, and as a result has a good understanding that beliefs are just beliefs.  Neutral building blocks of reality.  If we don't like what we've built, we can tear down and start over with different beliefs. 

On one level the Seth material is just another belief system, and I've had periods of doubt about it.  But the more I understand it, the more likely it seems to me that it is a pointer to the true nature of reality, much like Eckhart Tolle, Mooji etc., but designed more for the western world, and without any guru bling.  It combines the best of psychology with the best of philosophy, and explains some of the odd experiences I've had that cannot be explained by a materialist paradigm.  I like reading a variety of thinkers too.  Doing so reinforces the truth that religions cannot do more than point at the nature of reality, and they all point at the same one, but with a different set of underlying assumptions.

Quote from: LarryH
During the year, I had conversations with her telling her that as long as her quality of life seems to be good, she will be cared for, but that she was free to choose to leave the planet on her own terms.

Larry, I so appreciate this.  While I've been communicating something similar to my own "best cat ever," your wording has a subtle difference that resonates.  My best to you and Gabby.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by LarryH on Today at 09:37:01 AM »
Yesterday I took my cat Gabby to the animal hospital because she had not been eating. Over $700 later after several tests, nausea and appetite treatments, she was back home. She has begun to eat, though not at a normal level yet. After I got home yesterday, I came here, and the first new post that I saw was in this thread. Synchronicity. Over a year ago, Gabby had a life-threatening event that required constant care for about two months. She recovered and has been stable until now. During the year, I had conversations with her telling her that as long as her quality of life seems to be good, she will be cared for, but that she was free to choose to leave the planet on her own terms. She is my favorite cat ever, but my attitude about death is very Sethian. If she leaves, she will show up in my dreams. She will be there to greet me when I leave. Loss will be balanced by memories as well as an opportunity to shift focus.

usmaak, I am sorry for the pain that you have felt, and I hope the loss has been transformed in some way that you can celebrate and be thankful for.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by usmaak on January 16, 2021, 08:13:18 PM »
Quote from: leidl
I've studied my beliefs about loss and death from many angles, hoping to find the belief that is creating this pain, but nothing has worked.

My thoughts on the material have been all over the place for the last 30+ years.  I've gone from being a "true believer" to thinking that this is all some giant cosmic joke/mistake.  I have a checkered history with beliefs.  I was brainwashed at a born again christian camp for two summers when I was a kid.  That really messed me up in myriad ways and I still retain echos of being messed up from that to this day.  I was a member of the First Church of Christ Scientist for a few years (though they have found me and still send me requests for money every once in a while).  They can't take a hint.  I've been reading and studying everything I can get my hands on for what seems like forever.  Ask me what I think/believe next week and I can pretty much guarantee you it will be different than what I think/believe right now. 
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Applying Seth's Concepts to Daily Life / Interesting thing happened
« Last post by usmaak on January 16, 2021, 07:41:54 PM »
I've been meaning to get on here and post.

I've never had anything unusual happen to me.  People talk about OBEs and things like that.  That's never happened to me.  I've been reading Seth off and on since the late 80s.  A couple of years ago I finished reading every Seth book and set them aside for a break.  I've always liked the Seth material and I can admit that I understand about ten percent of what I read, especially in some of the later books.  I also find Rob's commentary to be off-putting.  I'm not what you'd call a Rob Butts fan at all.  He wrote like someone who couldn't stand the fact that his wife was the center of attention.  He wrote like someone who wanted the center of attention to be him.  Just my opinion, of course but it made reading some of the last books a bit difficult because they were more about his musings than anything else.

Anyway, in November, I started reading the Eckhart Tolle books again.  I've always liked the message and though it can be quite esoteric and difficult (for me) to understand, I always feel the truth in it.  Anyway, back in November I was driving home after picking up some sandwiches for me and my wife.  As I was coming into my neighborhood, I was thinking about the material and about how Seth called everything that I was looking at "camouflage".  What happened next is very hard to express.  I wish I'd written it down after it happened.  I had this moment where my vision blinked in and out.  It was kind of like a quick gray out of what I was seeing.  It was less than a second and not enough time to risk driving.  When it came back, everything looked different.  It is difficult to explain in what way.  I could see everything exactly as I've always seen it, but it was like there was another layer on top of it all.  Like an overlay.  It's kind of difficult to explain.  Everything looked like it was comprised of little blocks that were monochrome.  I saw a couple of neighbors walking their dogs and they were enclosed in white bubbles.  The dogs weren't, just the people.  I could still see them but there were bubbles surrounding them.  It's like I could see both layers at the same time.  Probably the most stunning thing was how it made me feel.  I have been struggling with depression and anxiety for the last six years.  I've been trying to work out why and have never made any headway.  Even if it is not consuming me completely (and believe me, sometimes it does), it is always simmering below the surface. That was gone.  All I felt was peace and calm.  Nothing but peace and calm.  I have never felt anything like it.

The weird vision thing lasted less than a minute. But the time I pulled into my garage and shut off the car, it was gone.  The feeling of peace lasted another couple of hours after that and then faded out.

That's the only time this has ever happened to me.  Now I'm back to the anxiety ridden mess that I usually am.  ;D

Anyway, that's my weird story.  I've spent the last three months trying to understand it.  The story is from a three month old memory.  I should have written it down after it happened and I meant to, I just never got around to it.

I'd really like that feeling of peace and calm to come back, but it hasn't.
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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by leidl on January 16, 2021, 06:25:23 PM »
usmaak, thank you for the reply.  Good to know you felt yourself again with time, and glad to know time is good for something other than adding wrinkles. ;)

Quote from: usmaak
I had a friend who put it best when she told me that we always make the best decisions for our pets that we can and if it doesn't work, we have to forgive ourselves.

Yes, that's great advice.  And it can be applied to all of our decisions, not just the pet or child related ones.  But we can only hear things when we're ready to hear them, it seems.

I can relate to the difficulty you've had applying Seth's teachings.  He is intriguing as a metaphysicist, and when I was younger I read him simply for that reason.  But life continues to hurl teachable moments at me, and so I try to take out the tools Seth has given us and throw them back.  Getting a hit takes practice.

I've got a cat who appears to be getting ready to exit this reality.  If I've got to go through something that hurts a bunch, I'm going to try to get all the value I can from the experience, in hopes of hurting less in the future.  I've studied my beliefs about loss and death from many angles, hoping to find the belief that is creating this pain, but nothing has worked.  Experiencing the pain of loss may be inevitable in this reality; part of the gameboard, part of what we sign up for when we come here.  Even the so-called enlightened ones shed tears, after all. 

It's lovely that you do rescue work with diabetic cats!

jbseth, my apologies for confusing you.  I was googling for information on what Seth says about the loss of pets, and ended up....here!  There seem to be many paths leading to this space.  As always, thanks to Deb for creating it.

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Seth-Related Discussions / Re: Lost my cat - help me
« Last post by Deb on January 16, 2021, 05:19:11 PM »
Quote from: usmaak
I wish that I could offer some sage advice but I've always struggled with the Seth material and actually putting it into practice.  I'm usually more absorbed in the physical, camouflage world and seeing around it can be a challenge.  It's always been more of a theoretical thing for me.

Believe me, you are not alone. Every one of us works on keeping ourselves on track with what Seth says, and struggles on various levels with implementation. Some things are easier than others. But... that's why we are here. We are F1 human students learning about the nature of reality. Otherwise we wouldn't be here—we'd be graduates.
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