What do you think? Was Sathya Sai Baba legitimate?
Was Uri Geller legitimate?

Boy, that's a tough one. I tend to think anything is possible, but would not be able to say they specifically were legitimate unless I saw them do something with my own eyes.

I can say that I have had a CSS book disappear a few years ago (I think I told the story somewhere here). I emailed the author to tell him my book vanished and I loved it so much that I was buying it a second time. He was tickled and sent me a replacement for free. When I went to put the new book on my office shelf that the old one used to occupy, the old book was there. I only had 3 books on that entire shelf, ones I referred to constantly, so it wasn't lost in the crowd. It had been missing for a few weeks. No one else in my house is the least bit interested in CSS and wouldn't have known I had the book, let alone borrow it.

I read The Scole Experiment many years ago. It was a small group of people in England that were doing experiments in the basement of an old farm house using mediums to communicate with spirits (one of them being Thomas Edison!). The book was so dry it was believable. They had things apparate during these sessions and had quite a collection of artifacts: old jewelry, photos, old newspapers in pristine condition and photographic film locked in a box imprinted with some fascinating stuff. https://www.thescoleexperiment.com/the-scole-experiment-overview.html Could they have made it all up? Of course. Just like Jane and Rob could have. Why would they? I don't know. They didn't make a fortune off it all. Most people have never heard of it.

I just found out that they made a documentary. I'll have to watch it tonight. It's probably as slow as the book was. Which is what made it so believable for me: no drama or sensationalism. Just the facts ma'am.

Hi T.M.,

I think that its possible that Sathya Sai Baba materialized things and I also think that its possible that Uri Geller actually bent spoons and didn't use magic to do so.

This relates to personal belief.

Those people who don't believe that these types of things are possible, would either never experience them in their reality, or if they did, then they wouldn't believe them. I think, a belief, a personal belief, that this is why people like Randi, insist that Uri Geller is a fake and a fraud. They don't "believe", another personal belief, that this is possible.

On the other hand, those people who do believe that these types of things are possible, would be open to the possibility that these things can happen. Thus, if they did experience something like this, then they might be surprised but they wouldn't necessarily insist that this was some sort of magic trick.

Then again, there are people who are very good at performing magic. Some of these people can make it appear that a spoon was bent, or an object appeared out of nothingness by using a sleigh of hand trick.

We may never know whether Sathya Sai Baba actually materialized objects out of nothingness or not, or whether Uri Geller is a gifted psychic or a gifted magician, but we can know, whether we believe that these things are possible or not.


By the way, who's Stuart Wilde? I'm not sure I ever heard of him.

-jbseth








 

Hi All,

Over the years, I’ve become aware of 2 people who seemingly have been able to perform some incredible feats. Here I’m referring to Sathya Sai Baba and Uri Geller.

It was claimed that Sathya Sai Baba could materialize objects like rings out of nothing.

In addition to this, it was also claimed that Uri Geller, could bend metal spoons using just the power of his mind.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller


What do you think? Was Sathya Sai Baba legitimate? That is, could he actually materialize objects out of nothing?


What do you think? Was Uri Geller legitimate? That is, could he actually bend metal spoons with just the power of his mind?


-jbseth

Hi Jbseth,I probably should have mentioned she does tear apart what she believes to be charlatans.  That's why I referenced the 1st half of the vid. I didn't mean to drag you through the 2nd half, sorry.

Hi T.M.,

No problem. 
Over the years, there have been several people that I've had questions about, in regards to whether or not they are actually legitimate.

For me, Jane Roberts is not one of these.

-jbseth

Hi T.M.,

Hey, I watched the video and yes the commentator does talk about both the Sumari and the Sumerian culture.


Actually, during perhaps the first half of the video, she talks quite a bit about Seth’s various ideas and concepts having to do with space and time and the Sumerian culture.

Then, at about the middle of the video she starts talking about why the stories written by
Zecharia Sitchin don’t match what she had just mentioned regarding the origins of the Sumerian culture.

She then tells the story that apparently in one of his books, Mr. Sitchin has a photograph of an alien spaceship still hanging there out lonely in the desert of the middle east.

A Russian researcher decided to go see this space ship. He asked Mr. Sitchin for the coordinates of the location and Mr. Sitchin asked for a very large amount of money for them. Given this, since the Russians were very determined, they decided to use the map given in the book and spent a lot of time researching this actual location.

Then, after they determined the location, they went to this location and discovered that a natural rock, at a given angle and the proper light did look interesting but had nothing alien or spaceship about it.

Then this commentator says that Mr. Sitchin was one of the many fantasy writers who wanted to become rich by adding artificial fraudulent validity to their fantasies by making them look scholarly.  And people believed it. And Mr. Sitchin died a rich man.


I think this commentator hit upon a very important point. Not only about pseudo historical scholars but with a lot of the people that we talk about in the group. I think that there are a lot of people who make things up (pick a subject: ghosts, ufo’s, OOBe’s, cHanneler’s psychics, mediums, haunted houses, etc.) and then sell books or maybe even themselves via public appearances and make money on this.

I also think that there are people with very legitimate skills and capabilities.

It’s sometimes very difficult to tell which is which.


I’m reminded of a recent quote I heard from Soren Kierkegaard.

“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”

-jbseth