~Speaking of Seth~

«All knowledge, methods and theories coming from the outside may be necessary as starting points, but must soon be abandoned for a higher source of understanding.

 It is time to disregard all teachings, ideologies, disciplines, books and ideas, any written words, and dive deeply within yourself to find your own truth and uniqueness; this alone will remove all your obstacles and leave you free from any hypnotism and in full mastery of all and everything.»

--- Elio d'Anna's "The School for Gods"

What I don't understand is there are tens of thousands of nde reports, are all these people supposed to be lying? And how disrespectful it is to not believe someone else's experience.

Bora137, that's right, but the evidence is of an experimental/experiential nature. What is needed is a theory, an understanding about the nature of reality. Seth books help a lot, but work is still needed in order to understand correctly.

It's mountain of evidence but still the positivist materialist paradigm persists. The trouble with paradigms is you don't know you're in one because everything you see appears to confirm it.

I am very enthusiastic about these two volumes, I plan to read them and would be happy to discuss about. Seth's thinking constitutes a metaphysical system that deserves serious work to be even slightly understood, and I hope this book is a way to get started.

Here are the chapters of the two books, introduced each time with a quote from seth :

• The Problem with Paradigms
  

  QuoteNew ideas are not accepted easily. When they take fire however, they literally sweep through the universe.
  
  Cobban, James . Nursery of the Gods: The Consciousness Paradigm, or the Science of Seth (p. 1). Édition du Kindle. 

• What Exactly is Materialism?
  
• The Evidence From Quantum Physics
  

  QuoteThe physicists have their hands on the doorknob.
  

• Evidence From Psi (ESP) Research
  
  

  QuoteThe study of so-called extrasensory perception is now considered an isolated, bizarre domain, unrelated to other fields of knowledge... The pieces to the puzzle are at mankind's fingertips, but he has put together an awkward, ill-fitting miniature model universe of a puzzle with which he is afraid to part.
  

  
  
• Evidence From Near Death Experiences
  
  

  QuoteIt will be shown that personalities continue to exist after physical death, and then it will not seem so strange that those such as myself can communicate.
  

• Towards a Consciousness-Based Paradigm - An Introduction to Seth's Metaphysic
  
  
• Complexity Science, Autopoiesis, and Bringing Forth a World
  
  
• The Senses are Lovely Liars
  

  QuoteYour most pragmatic scientist is even now forced to admit that solid objects are not solid; and the interesting sidelight of this fact must be that your faithful, tried and true, so-called dependable outer senses are in reality lovely liars, since the eyes see a chair as solid while the chair is not solid at all. The outside senses are therefore fabricators of the most delightful sort.
  

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  Earth as a Training System
  

  QuoteHumanity dreams the same dream at once, and you have your mass world. The whole construction however is like an educational play in which you are the producers as well as the actors... The whole self is the observer, and also a participator in many roles.
  

• The Training System and Deep Time
  

  QuoteYou are learning to be co-creators. You are learning to be gods as you now understand the term.
  

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  The Ego Experiment
  
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  Hiding in Plain Sight: The Ego Through History's Pages
  
  
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  Towards a New Mythos
  
  

«On the road to flawlessness, in a responsible man's world, there's only space to conquer oneself: one's mediocrity, one's lie and one's identification with the world.»

--- Elio d'Anna's "The School for Gods"

«I didn't say the others don't exist. I said the others don't exist outside you!... When this is clear to you, you'll know what the others are for»

--- Elio d'Anna's "The School for Gods"

«You're still trapped in what you believe you are. What you'll see in the meetings isn't what you truly are, but what you are not: the man whom you've believed yourself to be.

«I would say that the study of yourself, self-observation, is light. When the light comes, the shadows disappear and all that is true and real in you remains, and all that you are not or that you've believed yourself to be, vanishes»

--- Elio d'Anna's "The School for Gods"

Quote from: steff74 on March 30, 2023, 06:20:49 AM

Quote from: inavalan on March 15, 2023, 10:04:01 PM"... the document ended with these forbidding words: "Food, sleep, sex, disease, old age and death are 'bad mental habits'. We must rid ourselves of them."

My thoughts about reading the book ended at this point. Just another 'illuminated' tells us that sex is bad. This gibberish got rather boring over the centuries. We must rid ourselves of sex? Under this circumstances the author wouldn't even (re)incarnate.      

Avoiding food and sleep ... best ideas ever. If you avoid food you'll get sick and you'll starve to death. But then there's even two 'bad mental habits' we should avoid. What now?
 
See, that's the reason why I like Seth, Neville, Zeland: They don't live in an Ivory Tower, you can apply their advices in your life more or less easily. But you can apply them. 

Your reaction reminds of my reaction when I browsed my first yoga book.

In Elio d'Anna's "The School for Gods", the Dreamer says that by design man is immortal, and shouldn't age, but man self-hypnotized himself in believing detrimental ideas, and hence creating a distorted version of reality. As long as man has thoe beliefs, he has to obey them (as Seth says too).

When I read or hear something, I look for the deepest interpretation I can have, and not for what the source meant, or intended.

I'm almost done reading this book, and I find it the closest to the Seth Material from  everything I read, in the way I interpret Seth, which is quite different from what most others believe Seth to say. Surely, I don't fully agree with everything that Elio d'Anna wrote, as I don't fully agree with what is written in the Seth books.

What I quote is what I find thought provoking. I believe that in matters of discovering the nature of reality, everybody should follow only their own inner source of knowledge and guidance, and no external one; no guru, teacher, science, religion, ...

EDIT: I never gave yoga a try. Maybe I should have. Again, not to follow it, but to get inspiration and pointers from it.

Quote from: inavalan on March 15, 2023, 10:04:01 PM"... the document ended with these forbidding words: "Food, sleep, sex, disease, old age and death are 'bad mental habits'. We must rid ourselves of them."

My thoughts about reading the book ended at this point. Just another 'illuminated' tells us that sex is bad. This gibberish got rather boring over the centuries. We must rid ourselves of sex? Under this circumstances the author wouldn't even (re)incarnate.      

Avoiding food and sleep ... best ideas ever. If you avoid food you'll get sick and you'll starve to death. But then there's even two 'bad mental habits' we should avoid. What now?
 
See, that's the reason why I like Seth, Neville, Zeland: They don't live in an Ivory Tower, you can apply their advices in your life more or less easily. But you can apply them.