~Speaking of Seth~

Session 742 made a distinct contrast between the new and old Atlantis from a future probable world system which true Seth-readers (and descendants) would participle.

This new branch of the multidimensional playground universe would see a spiritually expanded species of Homo sapiens which that did not hinder itself with electronic communication gadgets and soul-development hindering outworn-technologies which apparently destroyed Atlantis and will likely destroy any Atlantis in the future, also.

This spiritually-expanded, future envisioned community (by Seth's description in that session),  will combine the intellect with the intuition unhindered by technologies that replace the desire or ability for the development of the inner-senses.

Elon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Seth tells us over and over that the ends never justifies the means. 

The neuralink-Atlantis ends will never justify the forced vaccination deaths that we all see happening around the world now.  Seth is a messenger from our loving AllThatIs trying to help the future Atlanteans to realize before it is too late for them to learn the last Atlantis from killing off the white-sheep masses.  The goal of rebuilding a fantastically-futuristic Atlantis by mass, forced-vaccination deaths of the "useless feeders" will ultimately result in the future destruction of the same type of tainted neuralink-Atlantis as happened with the past Atlantis (Apparently, the planet Mars annihilated Atlantis... it did not sink in the Atlantic Ocean...)   Old Atlantis was part of the Mayan Temples that I noticed were rebuilt three times prior (Temple 5 at Tikal) to this last cataclysm that reset human civilization again to a new restart.

I didn't believe in possibility of the massive flood in the Bible from rain, but then I realized the Intermediate Axis Effect results in the physical flipping of the north and south poles which washed the oceans up over the continents.

Right now Venus is the only planet rotating in the opposite spin to all the other planets.  Earth used to spin just like Venus.  Which means before the biblical flood, the sun rose in the west and set in the east... like Venus is doing today.
Now, if I can figure this stuff out, then there is something really bad going on in the heads of the current scientific and education systems... 

Opinions and criticisms appreciated...

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Elon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Hi, welcome to the forum.
It is not clear to me that your interpretation of Seth here is correct. Seth says that we harbor fears of a future Atlantis. Seth is not clear regarding the basis of our fears, but he does not seem to imply that these fears are linked to a particular technology:

"Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilization — patterns within the psyche, even as each fetus has within it the picture of its own most ideal fulfillment toward which it grows. Atlantis is a land that you want to inhabit, appearing in your literature, your dreams, and your fantasies,8 serving as an impetus for development. It is real and valid. In your terms it is not "yet" physical fact, but in some ways it is more real than any physical fact, for it is a psychic blueprint.9 It carries also, however, the imprint of your fears, for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed. You place it in your past while it exists in your future. Not the destruction alone, but the entire pattern seen through the framework of your beliefs. Beside this, however, many civilizations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the "myth" [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms." (from "The "Unknown" Reality, Volume Two (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/1t4ZsJD

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Quote from: sos observers
Elon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Hi, welcome to the forum.
It is not clear to me that your interpretation of Seth here is correct. Seth says that we harbor fears of a future Atlantis. Seth is not clear regarding the basis of our fears, but he does not seem to imply that these fears are linked to a particular technology:

"Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilization — patterns within the psyche, even as each fetus has within it the picture of its own most ideal fulfillment toward which it grows. Atlantis is a land that you want to inhabit, appearing in your literature, your dreams, and your fantasies,8 serving as an impetus for development. It is real and valid. In your terms it is not "yet" physical fact, but in some ways it is more real than any physical fact, for it is a psychic blueprint.9 It carries also, however, the imprint of your fears, for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed. You place it in your past while it exists in your future. Not the destruction alone, but the entire pattern seen through the framework of your beliefs. Beside this, however, many civilizations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the "myth" [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms." (from "The "Unknown" Reality, Volume Two (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/1t4ZsJD

According to Bashar Atlantis did exist at the area which is now made up of the Bahamas and Cuba. At that time the sea level was much lower due to the glaciers covering the northern hemisphere. The remnants of Atlantean architecture can still be found in the Aztek temples and their architecture as well as the Minoan culture in the East, in particular the palace of Knossos. Colors were red, black and white, which is different from Grecian influences. Atlanteans were bull worshippers. Goebekli Tepe is Atlantean as well. The civilization has been destroyed by a meteorite striking the area over the capital twice a year. After 20 years of regular bombardment they had to give up the main city, which was finally destroyed by the body of the meteorite, causing a tsunami all across the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, laying the foundation for the myth of the deluge.

The Taurids are the remnants of that meteorite. In parallel realities there are versions of Atlantis which were not destroyed. Bashar claims to have visited one. The Atlantis which was destroyed seemed to correspond to the description of the Greeks. There were huge pyramids and canals which enabled whales and dolphins from the ocean to swim into the capital. In Atlantean times attempts were made with genetic engineering with the objective of creating a slave race. According to Bashar there is a link between political hubris and the striking of the meteorite. There are still energetic anomalies in the region, most prominent of course the Bermuda triangle. As a result of the bombardment and the deluge not many remnants can be found. When asked about specific structures Bashar confirmed their Atlantean origin:



According to Bashar Atlantis is basically an idea embedded in the collective consciousness and it will rise again. From that point of view it does actually exist in the future.

As a civilization we are in a similar situation. Apophis may or may not strike. (Earlier than in 2068. The flyby in 2029 is decisive). Hubris plays a role. As all probabilities exist and as there is an infinity of versions of Earth this does not really come as a surprise. The version of Atlantis which did not sink seems to be an impressive place.

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Elon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Hi, welcome to the forum.
It is not clear to me that your interpretation of Seth here is correct. Seth says that we harbor fears of a future Atlantis. Seth is not clear regarding the basis of our fears, but he does not seem to imply that these fears are linked to a particular technology:

"Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilization — patterns within the psyche, even as each fetus has within it the picture of its own most ideal fulfillment toward which it grows. Atlantis is a land that you want to inhabit, appearing in your literature, your dreams, and your fantasies,8 serving as an impetus for development. It is real and valid. In your terms it is not "yet" physical fact, but in some ways it is more real than any physical fact, for it is a psychic blueprint.9 It carries also, however, the imprint of your fears, for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed. You place it in your past while it exists in your future. Not the destruction alone, but the entire pattern seen through the framework of your beliefs. Beside this, however, many civilizations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the "myth" [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms." (from "The "Unknown" Reality, Volume Two (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/1t4ZsJD

According to Bashar Atlantis did exist at the area which is now made up of the Bahamas and Cuba. At that time the sea level was much lower due to the glaciers covering the northern hemisphere. The remnants of Atlantean architecture can still be found in the Aztek temples and their architecture as well as the Minoan culture in the East, in particular the palace of Knossos. Colors were red, black and white, which is different from Grecian influences. Atlanteans were bull worshippers. Goebekli Tepe is Atlantean as well. The civilization has been destroyed by a meteorite striking the area over the capital twice a year. After 20 years of regular bombardment they had to give up the main city, which was finally destroyed by the body of the meteorite, causing a tsunami all across the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, laying the foundation for the myth of the deluge.

The Taurids are the remnants of that meteorite. In parallel realities there are versions of Atlantis which were not destroyed. Bashar claims to have visited one. The Atlantis which was destroyed seemed to correspond to the description of the Greeks. There were huge pyramids and canals which enabled whales and dolphins from the ocean to swim into the capital. In Atlantean times attempts were made with genetic engineering with the objective of creating a slave race. According to Bashar there is a link between political hubris and the striking of the meteorite. There are still energetic anomalies in the region, most prominent of course the Bermuda triangle. As a result of the bombardment and the deluge not many remnants can be found. When asked about specific structures Bashar confirmed their Atlantean origin:



According to Bashar Atlantis is basically an idea embedded in the collective consciousness and it will rise again. From that point of view it does actually exist in the future.

As a civilization we are in a similar situation. Apophis may or may not strike. (Earlier than in 2068. The flyby in 2029 is decisive). Hubris plays a role. As all probabilities exist and as there is an infinity of versions of Earth this does not really come as a surprise. The version of Atlantis which did not sink seems to be an impressive place.

"(Questions of reincarnation enter in also. Seth has connected himself with Atlantis only once, but he did so very definitely; from the 588th session for Chapter 22 of Seth Speaks: "I was ... born in Atlantis." Jane and I felt those same uneasy twinges then, too, but chose not to explore them at that time."
—UR2 Section 6: Session 742 April 16, 1975

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According to Bashar Atlantis did exist... The civilization has been destroyed by a meteorite striking the area over the capital twice a year. After 20 years of regular bombardment they had to give up the main city, which was finally destroyed by the body of the meteorite, causing a tsunami all across the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, laying the foundation for the myth of the deluge.

Did Bashar really say that Atlantis' main city was hit by a meteorite twice a year for 20 years? That's just too much of a coincidence for me to believe. Of the entire planet, exactly one city is struck by a meteorite 40 times in 20 years? I don't think so.

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According to Bashar Atlantis did exist... The civilization has been destroyed by a meteorite striking the area over the capital twice a year. After 20 years of regular bombardment they had to give up the main city, which was finally destroyed by the body of the meteorite, causing a tsunami all across the Atlantic and into the Mediterranean, laying the foundation for the myth of the deluge.

Did Bashar really say that Atlantis' main city was hit by a meteorite twice a year for 20 years? That's just too much of a coincidence for me to believe. Of the entire planet, exactly one city is struck by a meteorite 40 times in 20 years? I don't think so.

That's what he said. It has to do with the ecliptic of the meteorite. It passed the area twice a year. As it seems to be the case today with the Taurids. The difference is that the Taurids don't cause damage anymore. That's why they knew what was coming and had time to prepare and settle elsewhere, in Central America, Egypt, on Crete, etc.

He didn't say the main city was hit by the body of the meteor. He did say the whole area was affected twice a year and that finally the main chunk of the meteor fell into the Atlantic, thus causing a tsunami of 300 feet or more. The tsunamy destroyed everything in the area, even along the shores of the Mediterranean Sea. The meteorite showers did also contribute to the melting of the ice shelves causing a rise of the sea level.

It is true that the earth can happen to pass through separate parts of a comet's or asteroid's ecliptic twice a year, but that should still be happening. When it does pass through such a path, it is passing through a dust cloud. Meteor showers do not actually result in meteorites. All that dust burns up near the top of the atmosphere, causing a meteor shower. And any meteor shower would be seen anywhere on earth, not just one localized area. Meteorites (meteors that survive their fall through the atmosphere) more typically start out as random space rocks that have nothing to do with a predictable ecliptic. I am not questioning that a giant rock could cause a tsunami, just that it would have nothing to do with prior meteor showers.

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It is true that the earth can happen to pass through separate parts of a comet's or asteroid's ecliptic twice a year, but that should still be happening. When it does pass through such a path, it is passing through a dust cloud. Meteor showers do not actually result in meteorites. All that dust burns up near the top of the atmosphere, causing a meteor shower. And any meteor shower would be seen anywhere on earth, not just one localized area. Meteorites (meteors that survive their fall through the atmosphere) more typically start out as random space rocks that have nothing to do with a predictable ecliptic. I am not questioning that a giant rock could cause a tsunami, just that it would have nothing to do with prior meteor showers.

Thanks a lot. I will certainly not question your comment as I am not an expert on meteorites or comets etc.

The text below is what I could find upon googling 'Taurids'. It looks that there are still some bigger chunks above (comet 'Encke' etc.) and that the entire conglomerate is possibly the rest of the breaking apart of a giant comet. Some sources speculate about an object hitting Earth the size of several kms. Personally, I have no opinion on that. I was more focussing on the question whether Atlantis did actually exist or whether it is rather a projection into and from the future. In that context the structures off the coast of Cuba are certainly very interesting, even if they are covered under sand after the next storm. It looks that the palace of Knossos is based on structures dating back to 7000 BC. As the Minoan culture is unique and the origins not clearly understood it may corroborate statements such as those made by Bashar.

Actually what I found more interesting  is the statement made by Seth that he had been born in Atlantis as this poses serious questions about the applicable timeframes. As far as I understand there is no specific information regarding that incarnation.

Taurids Meteor Stream Could Cause Disaster To Earth

https://www.antarcticajournal.com/taurids-meteor-stream-could-cause-disaster-to-earth/

'Scientists have discovered a new branch of the Taurids meteor stream that could prove to be a major disaster for Earth, with asteroids up to 1,000 feet wide flying past us every few years.

The Taurids meteor shower peaks every October and November, producing a relatively small display of shooting stars as Earth passes through its stream. Meteor showers are visible when tiny bits of cosmic debris enter Earth's atmosphere and burn up in the sky while entering the Earth's atmosphere. Because the Taurids are made up of branches and a core, the level of visibility rises and falls depending on how much debris Earth encounters as it passes through the Taurids stream.

Most often, the meteoroids are only about the size of a grain of sand and pose no risk at all. However, if a large enough asteroid entered the Earth's atmosphere, instead of disintegrating it would pass through and plummet to the Earth's surface.
A very important reminder of the dangers posed by asteroids and meteors came in 2013, when the 66-foot-wide Chelyabinsk meteor fell over Russia's southern Ural region.

Researchers from the Czech Academy of Sciences in the Czech Republic has uncovered evidence to suggest that Earth is at a much greater danger of being hit by an asteroid than we previously calculated. Currently there is not enough data to quantify the risk the Taurids meteor stream poses to Earth. Study author Jiří Borovička states, "A systematic search for asteroids within the newly identified branch will be needed to find the size-frequency distribution of large bodies within the branch." Furthermore she adds, "The impact risk increases during the encounters of the Earth with the branch."

She describes the risk of Earth being hit by a large asteroid during one of these encounters as a "lottery"—or "to be hit by a bullet or not." These findings reinforce the hypothesis that the Taurids stream is a remnant of a giant comet that disintegrated. Some of the debris from this event is believed to have collided with the Earth, and has been connected with at least one catastrophic event in Earth's history.

"Our observation gives some weight to that hypothesis," Borovička says. "Perhaps there was a series of comet/asteroid disruptions and one of the recent ones created the new branch. We believe that our detailed description of the new branch will enable other people to explore this hypothesis in more detail than was possible before."

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Researchers from the Czech Academy of Sciences in the Czech Republic has uncovered evidence to suggest that Earth is at a much greater danger of being hit by an asteroid than we previously calculated.

Tob, that is interesting.  I suppose if a serious asteroid hit occurs every 100,000 years on average, the last such hit would be long before recorded history.

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Researchers from the Czech Academy of Sciences in the Czech Republic has uncovered evidence to suggest that Earth is at a much greater danger of being hit by an asteroid than we previously calculated.

Tob, that is interesting.  I suppose if a serious asteroid hit occurs every 100,000 years on average, the last such hit would be long before recorded history.

Yes, that's what makes the whole thing so speculative. It looks that the Barringer crater in Arizona is 50 000 years old. Certainly too devastating for a city.

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Quote from: sos observersElon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Hi, welcome to the forum.
It is not clear to me that your interpretation of Seth here is correct. Seth says that we harbor fears of a future Atlantis. Seth is not clear regarding the basis of our fears, but he does not seem to imply that these fears are linked to a particular technology:

"Your ideas of Atlantis are partially composed of future memories. They are psychic yearnings toward the ideal civilization — patterns within the psyche, even as each fetus has within it the picture of its own most ideal fulfillment toward which it grows. Atlantis is a land that you want to inhabit, appearing in your literature, your dreams, and your fantasies,8 serving as an impetus for development. It is real and valid. In your terms it is not "yet" physical fact, but in some ways it is more real than any physical fact, for it is a psychic blueprint.9 It carries also, however, the imprint of your fears, for the tales say that Atlantis was destroyed. You place it in your past while it exists in your future. Not the destruction alone, but the entire pattern seen through the framework of your beliefs. Beside this, however, many civilizations have come and gone in somewhat the same manner, and the "myth" [of Atlantis] is based somewhat then on physical fact in your terms." (from "The "Unknown" Reality, Volume Two (A Seth Book)" by Jane Roberts, Robert F. Butts)

Kindle edition: https://amzn.eu/1t4ZsJD

Future Atlantis sounds so much like the "dream city"
Ideal city
How Earth was created

To me Atlantis is a state of mind atm

Quote from: sos observers on September 13, 2021, 11:57:04 AMSession 742 made a distinct contrast between the new and old Atlantis from a future probable world system which true Seth-readers (and descendants) would participle.

This new branch of the multidimensional playground universe would see a spiritually expanded species of Homo sapiens which that did not hinder itself with electronic communication gadgets and soul-development hindering outworn-technologies which apparently destroyed Atlantis and will likely destroy any Atlantis in the future, also.

This spiritually-expanded, future envisioned community (by Seth's description in that session),  will combine the intellect with the intuition unhindered by technologies that replace the desire or ability for the development of the inner-senses.

Elon Musk has created a "Neuralink" (bluetooth synthetic telekinesis tool) which appears to be a hindrance to the desire and need to develop true telepathy for social growth.  This Neuralink interface that is wired into the brain will be going in the opposite direction of developing true psychic ability and thus is in opposition to Seth's envisioned spiritually expanded humanity.  Seth explains (in that same session) that the fear of the destruction of that Atlantis of the past is actually a message coming from the future-destruction of the neuralink-Atlantis developing in Western society today.

Seth tells us over and over that the ends never justifies the means. 

The neuralink-Atlantis ends will never justify the forced vaccination deaths that we all see happening around the world now.  Seth is a messenger from our loving AllThatIs trying to help the future Atlanteans to realize before it is too late for them to learn the last Atlantis from killing off the white-sheep masses.  The goal of rebuilding a fantastically-futuristic Atlantis by mass, forced-vaccination deaths of the "useless feeders" will ultimately result in the future destruction of the same type of tainted neuralink-Atlantis as happened with the past Atlantis (Apparently, the planet Mars annihilated Atlantis... it did not sink in the Atlantic Ocean...)   Old Atlantis was part of the Mayan Temples that I noticed were rebuilt three times prior (Temple 5 at Tikal) to this last cataclysm that reset human civilization again to a new restart.

I didn't believe in possibility of the massive flood in the Bible from rain, but then I realized the Intermediate Axis Effect results in the physical flipping of the north and south poles which washed the oceans up over the continents.

Right now Venus is the only planet rotating in the opposite spin to all the other planets.  Earth used to spin just like Venus.  Which means before the biblical flood, the sun rose in the west and set in the east... like Venus is doing today.
Now, if I can figure this stuff out, then there is something really bad going on in the heads of the current scientific and education systems... 

Opinions and criticisms appreciated...

I do not understand your title
Forgive please....
What is NWO I did not see you mention it at all in your post.

QuoteNWO

QuoteWhat is NWO I did not see you mention it at all in your post.

Would that be New World Order? aka The Shift?

Thanks for all the great comments!

I tend to just smirk at the info given by Jane Roberts wanna-bees... Like that "Rathma" that appeared on the Merv Grifin Show in great glory a few months after Jane died.  Knight had an Eastern-Star cheering section in the audience to support the facade.  When the Seth-Book are multi layered with new realizations after each reading, why look elsewhere to wanna-bees.

Highly unlikely that Atlantis died gradually... it was a sudden unexpected boom that came from Mars.  That is why Mars has a 5 mile deep scar running 1/3 of it's circumference.
Atlantis was North America and got dumped upon with all that Mars rock... Fire and brimstone, baby!  The wicked lost their high tech weapons.

There is this guy from Australia who explained how  North America must have got dumped on by debris... Ancient Destructions ... http://www.ancientdestructions.com/thunderbolts-mammoths-mass-destruction/
That was another Earth reset... human civilizations reset which the Rosicrucians seem to worship as cyclic as the Oroboro eats it's own tail.

"Mystery History" on Youtube suggests that the ancient Atlanteans were very nasty stock with technology that could liquify stone walls apparently.  Seth kept telling the readers that "If you live by the sword, then expect to die by the sword."  The Old Atlanteans seemed rather murderous where they tainted their idealism of an idealize-Utopia only to destroy it calling in Nature's resetting ability. 

Over and over Seth repeats "The Ends Never Justifies the Means" almost as much as saying: "YOu create your own reality"!
And now, we see the "profane" masses who don't follow the Vatican "Divining Serpent" directives, (who don't worship the A.I. supercomputer but the Creator-God or AllThatIs instead) are being deceived and murdered by the Georgia-Guidestones-Mafia with New-Atlantean murderous, fake-vaccines.

New Atlantis is taking the self-destructive route that Seth spent Chapters in his Mass-Events and Dreams, Evolution and Value-Fulfillment explaining the self-annihilation process that some civilizations try to get away with.  They just think they can get away with it this time round expecting their Deep Underground Military Bases(DUMB) will be their escape...  the DUMB, DUMB-DUMB, DUMBs will likely be their tombs where the Remnant-Lumanians will feed upon those self-righteous New Atlanteans.

There was a Christian who discovered a 1916 convocation book explaining who the New Atlantean were/are...  https://www.remnantradio.org/Archives/articles/William%20Cooper/Mystery%20Babylon/audio/mystery%20babylon%2019.mp3  I might give more meaning to my speculation...


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Quote from: sos observers on September 22, 2021, 08:17:59 PMLike that "Rathma"

Ramtha is ..... well ... Ramtha -- avoid her run as fast as you can LOL She is behind the movie "The Secret" which NEVER tells y ou the sercret lolol and she is behind the movie "What the Bleep" Both were annoying because nothing was said and a lot was said. I did however learn through What the Bleep about the double slit experiment and that fantastic cartoon! If she had not put out that  video I cant help but wonder if I ever would have known lol

Thats my one positive thing to say about her and her "info" (I wish them all well though!)

Quote from: sos observers on September 22, 2021, 08:17:59 PMHighly unlikely that Atlantis died gradually... it was a sudden unexpected boom that came from Mars.  That is why Mars has a 5 mile deep scar running 1/3 of it's circumference.
Atlantis was North America and got dumped upon with all that Mars rock... Fire and brimstone, baby!  The wicked lost their high tech weapons.

There is this guy from Australia who explained how  North America must have got dumped on by debris... Ancient Destructions ...

I was watching a flat earth video that said the same thing only not Atlantis and not Mars lol

Yes I am very intrigued by flat Earth lol Ewaranon did a GREAT job and a few others showing videos of history, but as Seth says history is a mutable thing. What ones history is to one person ... it isnt so for another.

I guess that can be said about anything.

Neville says that we view everything FIRST through our own aura first and we do not see the real as it is distorted.

Seth says the same thing about our personal camoflauge. (I always spell this word wrong sorry lol)

https://findingseth.com/q/history/  for thumbing through to any who might want to

Seth mentioned that long ago scientists were hurt the most by making animal and human hybrids..... and lo n behold are they at it again? Chimeras? geeeeeeeez

In TES4 Seth talks about how duplicating life can never happen. You will never capture all its history. Ever. He used paintings as an example and I immediately thought about clones lol


At lant Is
At Land Is
14 LAND 13

backwards scales 13/14 (a pi proportion)
IF anyone is interested where I get that just message me lol I dont wanna fill this thread with the answer

These posts were highly informative and interesting. Thank you!

As a newbie with Seth I'm still on it. The whole NWO thing came up in my thoughts again with the covid situation. But I only thought hey, they can't reduce population with wars bc of the "Atombomben" without hurting themselves. They ofc would go in the biological weapons. The vaccination stuff was proven earlier in the 3rd world countries that they work just fine to reduce population.

Interesting too the facts about "what the bleep.." and "the secret". I felt the same about it : saying something and telling nothing at all when I watched it.
Last year I discovered a game by Heather Noel "the game, nothing is as it seems" and remembered it now bc you mentioned the military bases deep in the earth. I found it really entertaining, researching the places and people she was weaving into the story of "the Game".

The war now in Europe is actually getting to me bc I'm aware of being not really far away from it. I wonder what I "booked" in for and if we should just pack our things and go. Covid does not make migration oversees easy though.
Seth speaks about people who want/need to experience such events (war and natural disasters) and others who just didn't live in such places or are leaving in time 🤔.

So many questions....
And I am only at the beginning with reading...

Doro

Quote from: strangerthings on September 24, 2021, 03:27:10 AMRamtha is ..... well ... Ramtha -- avoid her run as fast as you can LOL She is behind the movie "The Secret" which NEVER tells y ou the sercret lolol and she is behind the movie "What the Bleep" Both were annoying because nothing was said and a lot was said.

A little useless trivia here: Esther Hicks would go on about how Ramtha (JZ Knight) STOLE the idea of The Secret from Abraham Hicks. She would go on about it at the workshops under the guise of Abraham speaking... not very spiritual behavior if you ask me.    I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved.

Joe Dispenza used to be associated with JZ Knight. I asked him at a workshop about that (I got him alone for a minute, it's not the way that sounds) and he DID NOT want to talk about it. Embarrassed?   

Quote from: Deb on April 16, 2022, 05:04:52 PM

Quote from: strangerthings on September 24, 2021, 03:27:10 AMRamtha is ..... well ... Ramtha -- avoid her run as fast as you can LOL She is behind the movie "The Secret" which NEVER tells y ou the sercret lolol and she is behind the movie "What the Bleep" Both were annoying because nothing was said and a lot was said.

A little useless trivia here: Esther Hicks would go on about how Ramtha (JZ Knight) STOLE the idea of The Secret from Abraham Hicks. She would go on about it at the workshops under the guise of Abraham speaking... not very spiritual behavior if you ask me.    I don't know if there was a lawsuit involved.

Joe Dispenza used to be associated with JZ Knight. I asked him at a workshop about that (I got him alone for a minute, it's not the way that sounds) and he DID NOT want to talk about it. Embarrassed? 

It seems like a huge contradiction between what some of the channels say and do. On the other hand we tend to forget that those are people too. Channeling isn't as rare as people believe, and almost anybody could do it to their own satisfaction. We tend to hear more from those who commercialize it. Channeling doesn't mean that they understand the message, nor that they know what they're distorting.

One of the basic precepts is "you create your reality", but everybody understands that differently, and uses that knowledge in a different way ... it is true: with about the same (lack of) results.

@Deb @inavalan

This is interesting though.
I thought about Joe Dispenza that he is doing a good job in explaining the whole neurological thingy which for me is a result of "change your thoughts and beliefs and you change your reality". And when one cannot do this alone after trauma it's a good place to start. Often we are ashamed to talk about it to others and in groups it's obvious that we are not alone in this experience....
Even if I thought it would be a great thing to do to make it possible that everybody interested could come along and not only the people who can afford it - same here with Esther Hicks.....

It's right to mention that in the end we (and the one who are channeling) are only people, interpreting the words we listen to.
On the other hand :
Where is the room to interpret the "you create your own reality"?
This is a hard fact with not much room to turn around, is it not? 🤔....

Quote from: Doro on April 17, 2022, 12:16:05 AM@Deb @inavalan
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It's right to mention that in the end we (and the one who are channeling) are only people, interpreting the words we listen to.
On the other hand :
Where is the room to interpret the "you create your own reality"?
This is a hard fact with not much room to turn around, is it not? 🤔....

In "you create your own reality", practically each word can be interpreted in multiple ways.

"you" - who is this you? the conscious you, your inner-self, your  incarnational-self, a combination, something else like your subconscious, ...

"create" - how is this happen? is this a materialization from thin air, or it is a choice between alternatives,  or a combination, or a modification of something objective but modifiable, ...

"your own" - is your own different than his own? in what degree, how does it work in conjunction with what others create as their own, ...

"reality" - what does it mean? we can only know the reality that we perceive, the physical reality through our five senses, but what about the inner senses, the intuition, the probable realities, the time (present, past, future), ...

I just listed some random questions, probably not even the most relevant.

Bottom line, when you say "you create your own reality" you probably mean something different from what I mean when I say that, different from what Chopra, or Dispenza, or Hicks, or Roberts, or Seth meant when they said that same phrase.

Surely, we are tempted to say that Seth knew the best (because of who/what he allegedly is) what "you create your own reality" means, but we don't really have any way to be sure what he meant, as we filter his words (these and all others) through our own filters of beliefs.

Just because someone is a person doesnt mean people should stay around this person. I hope for all of them love and joy but Ramtha doesnt lead you to you. Its a cult. Period.

Ofc this is merely my interpretation so take it with a grain of salt.

On the other hand I have seen her in action... sessions that arent supposed to be filmed well end up getting filmed lol

Quote from: inavalan on April 17, 2022, 12:47:22 AM

Quote from: Doro on April 17, 2022, 12:16:05 AM@Deb @inavalan
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It's right to mention that in the end we (and the one who are channeling) are only people, interpreting the words we listen to.
On the other hand :
Where is the room to interpret the "you create your own reality"?
This is a hard fact with not much room to turn around, is it not? 🤔....

In "you create your own reality", practically each word can be interpreted in multiple ways.

"you" - who is this you? the conscious you, your inner-self, your  incarnational-self, a combination, something else like your subconscious, ...

"create" - how is this happen? is this a materialization from thin air, or it is a choice between alternatives,  or a combination, or a modification of something objective but modifiable, ...

"your own" - is your own different than his own? in what degree, how does it work in conjunction with what others create as their own, ...

"reality" - what does it mean? we can only know the reality that we perceive, the physical reality through our five senses, but what about the inner senses, the intuition, the probable realities, the time (present, past, future), ...

I just listed some random questions, probably not even the most relevant.

Bottom line, when you say "you create your own reality" you probably mean something different from what I mean when I say that, different from what Chopra, or Dispenza, or Hicks, or Roberts, or Seth meant when they said that same phrase.

Surely, we are tempted to say that Seth knew the best (because of who/what he allegedly is) what "you create your own reality" means, but we don't really have any way to be sure what he meant, as we filter his words (these and all others) through our own filters of beliefs.

OMG, you're totally right. It is exactly so. For me this sentence struck me in the face like : nobody is to blame, this is your job. And then the journey began.... The other interpretations are just unfolding now. The wish to getting to know more about me, well about everything...

@strangerthings
Thanks for sharing.
It must be great to have opportunities to just join a workshop of such people (incl Dr Joe / Esther Hicks ect) and share the insights. Very enlightening. So one can put a new perspective on things thinking questions that came up over again.

Im watching the Virginia Bennett video and there is a post in her video from notes in NOPR I think fit here. At least somewhat. The timestamp is 40:22

The NOPR notes:

"So throughout the book, I will use You, with the capital, to designate your larger identity. For it is from that identity that you form the reality that you know.
{And so it is from your larger identity that you form the reality that you know.}
It is up to you to do this with joy and vigor, clearing your conscious mind so that the deeper knowledge of your greater identity can form joyous expression(s) in the world of the flesh.

Lol we would benefit from getting out of our own way.

(This is why I do those worksheets from Byron Katie Im always harping about lol)

Quote from: strangerthings on April 17, 2022, 01:34:48 AMIm watching the Virginia Bennett video and there is a post in her video from notes in NOPR I think fit here. At least somewhat. The timestamp is 40:22

The NOPR notes:

"So throughout the book, I will use You, with the capital, to designate your larger identity. For it is from that identity that you form the reality that you know.
{And so it is from your larger identity that you form the reality that you know.}
It is up to you to do this with joy and vigor, clearing your conscious mind so that the deeper knowledge of your greater identity can form joyous expression(s) in the world of the flesh.

Lol we would benefit from getting out of our own way.

(This is why I do those worksheets from Byron Katie Im always harping about lol)

That is similar to having a lucid dream, and remembering the awake you.

@strangerthings
"Getting out of our own way" is indeed a truth I am working constantly on. Sadly I use to forget it in between. But I have to say that the times between certain events and recognition are getting smaller.

@inavalan
I didn't watched any videos with Virginia Bennet, found her instantly on YT and I'm happy to listen / watch her. Any recommendations?

Quote from: Doro on April 17, 2022, 02:18:03 AM...

@inavalan
I didn't watched any videos with Virginia Bennet, found her instantly on YT and I'm happy to listen / watch her. Any recommendations?

I haven't watched her, excepting a few minutes from her conference video. It wasn't of enough interest for me to spend one hour on it. So, I can't recommend her.

@Doro there's a video I just put up yesterday of Virginia's presentation at the California Seth conference. I thought it was really good. You can watch it here or on YouTube by clicking "Watch on Youtube" on the video. This one is saved in my YT channel, but you can find more from her by searching her name. There's also a link in the post to the Seth Conference channel.

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php/topic,2667.msg22248.html#msg22248

Quote from: Deb on April 17, 2022, 09:44:09 AM@Doro there's a video I just put up yesterday of Virginia's presentation at the California Seth conference. I thought it was really good. You can watch it here or on YouTube by clicking "Watch on Youtube" on the video. This one is saved in my YT channel, but you can find more from her by searching her name. There's also a link in the post to the Seth Conference channel.

https://speakingofseth.com/index.php/topic,2667.msg22248.html#msg22248

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Thank you Deb!!!!

@sos observers

I just want to say thanks for my flashback!

I havent heard William's voice in forever !

Wow!!! I didnt see his name in your link I just clicked on it and there's Bill talkin! Woohoo lol

Weird though I was just talkin about him to someone ha!

The Personal Sessions: Book 4 of The Deleted Seth Material
– Deleted Session August 28, 1978 9:32 PM Monday
[... 28 paragraphs ...]
There, I lived in the land people called Atlantis in your past. The Atlantis, however, as it is known in myth and pseudo-fact, is a psychic structure from the future that sheds its light backward into the past, and illuminates not one but several past cultures, which taken together, become in your terms a conglomerate Atlantis.
The Atlanteans, so-called for example, are supposed to be coming back now. All concepts and ideas in the first place, referring to a continuous forward progression of time distort all reincarnational experiences as a rule. It is almost impossible to describe some of what I know. Simple facts to me sometimes appear quite clearly in the material I give you—but then I perceive that the particular information escapes you completely. I can say that I traveled in Rome at about the time of Christ. To me there is no contradiction between that statement and the statement that the reality of that Rome is even now being affected by present, current concepts and beliefs. The past changes, even as in your terms, say, a river does—only the changes go out in all directions. Atlantis is as real as tomorrow is—and that is a loaded statement.